Who do not have a religion it's not an asslicker. He knows that there are actions and conseguences and that those are what happens after their actions.
If I treat the next one to me well he should do the same. The limit of my freedom is YOUR freedom and that just good sense; not religion or nothing. It's called "being a social animal".
Differently religious licks a god ass to go in paradise and do not 'sin' to not go in hell... what's more *just* between the two?
WOW, so your question was am i retarded, people do you really take these videos seriously coming out of a mouth that cant even have an have an adult conversation or debate with another person , but i should have known better im talking to immature children that act just like children do when they don't get there way or cant convince there parents into getting something they want they cuss and blurt out absurd things like having a temper tantrum how can you take your self seriously
How could some of the scientists permit themselves to make a claim that would necessitate knowledge as extensive as the scheme of the universe, when their knowledge of the total scheme of being is *close* to zero, when confronted with a whole mass of unknowns concerning this very earth and tangible, lifeless matter, let alone the whole universe?
@gphhawkins Do scientific discoveries and knowledge cause such a scientist to conclude that matter, *unknowing and unperceiving *, is his creator and that of all beings?
No?
Then how can the duped atheists and some of the scientists delude themselve and *believe* that hydrogen and oxygen, electrons and protons, should first produce themselves, then be the source for all other beings, and finally decree the laws that regulate themselves and the rest of the material world?
@MrAgentGreeny Now tell me, have you ever been everywhere?
How strange it is that you have not been everywhere to know what lies everywhere, but nonetheless you deny what exists there. Would any wise man deny the reality of what he is ignorant of?
And you deny the existence of the Creator because you cannot see him with your eyes.
So, in fact, you have doubts concerning the existence of God; you think He may exist and He may not exist?
Have you seen that the universe always existed and will always exist?
How come you have taken one side over the other. It is wiser for you to say 'I don't know,' and I will subject myself to further scrutiny, than to take a stand and say there's 'No God' because you have taken that stand and you have *no* evidence.
@MrAgentGreeny There was a big bang 13.75 billion years ago.
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If you will still persist in your ignorance at least assure me as to when this *big bang* created itself-whether it did it before it came into existence, or afterwards?
If you say afterwards, your assertion is absurd. Because it is impossible for a thing to create its own self when it was already created.
@MrAgentGreeny The purpose of your assertion would be that the *big bang* made itself twice. It would mean that its first endeavours consisted in creating itself, and when it was quite ready and created, it created itself again. This is the most *absurd* and impossible theory-the acquisition of what is already acquired.
If you say that it created itself before it came into existence, it is really *stupid*. Because it was absolutely nothing before it came into existence.
@MrAgentGreeny How is it possible for a non-existing thing to create another thing (*big bang*) ? You consider my belief in an existing thing (God) that creates another non-existing thing (*big bang*) as absurd. But you do not consider your own, as to the non-existing thing having the power to create an already existing thing,(*big bang*) as absurd and stupid.
Be yourself the judge, and tell me whose theory is absurd and irrational.?
@MrAgentGreeny In the name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.
"Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth (Universe) were joined together as one unit (atom) of creation, before we clove (exploded) them asunder? We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?"
*then suddenly an explosion belt detonates*/plane crashes into building >.>
I'm not discriminating islam. Every ORGANIZED religion is as this. Religion should be something PERSONAL or not even exist. Being organized means that you believe in something that SOMEONE tells you to believe, are not your thoughts are someone else toughts.
After this I won't answer you anymore cause i like to talk only to people that have their own ideas on their minds.
How could some of the scientists permit themselves to make a claim that would necessitate knowledge as extensive as the scheme of the universe, when their knowledge of the total scheme of being is *close* to zero, when confronted with a whole mass of unknowns concerning this very earth and tangible, lifeless matter, let alone the whole universe?
How can you say that He is not in those places where neither you nor your senses have ever been?
Perhaps He may be living there. Perhaps a person of extraordinary intelligence may reside in one of those places.
May be you have admitted the probability of a creator, you will, I hope, be convinced to admit the certainty. From *flat denial you may have come to doubt, from that perhaps to faith.
Imagining is a sign of impotence when confronted with what you cannot be certain of!
@1tabligh "Do scientific discoveries and knowledge cause such a scientist to conclude that matter, *unknowing and unperceiving *, is his creator and that of all beings? no?"
No. We don't need to call everything we see god. We did it for fire "i can't explain what it is..." then a guy like you came and said "then call it god!" same for the sun "i can't explain..." "then call it god", same for gravity, ecc ecc.
We're not the delusional ones; we look for answers. You are.
@1tabligh "Do scientific discoveries and knowledge cause such a scientist to conclude that matter, *unknowing and unperceiving *, is his creator and that of all beings? no?"
No. We don't need to call everything we see god. We did it for fire "i can't explain what it is..." then a guy like you came and said "then call it god!" same for the sun "i can't explain..." "then call it god", same for gravity, ecc ecc.
We're not the delusional ones; we look for answers. You are.
@1tabligh "Do scientific discoveries and knowledge cause such a scientist to conclude that matter, *unknowing and unperceiving *, is his creator and that of all beings? no?"
No. We don't need to call everything we see god. We did it for fire "i can't explain what it is..." then a guy like you came and said "then call it god!" same for the sun "i can't explain..." "then call it god", same for gravity, ecc ecc.
We're not the delusional ones; we look for answers. You are.
@1tabligh "Then how can the duped atheists and some of the scientists delude themselve and *believe* that hydrogen and oxygen, electrons and protons, should first produce themselves,"
No one said that xD That's suck a oddity xD Where did you read this? on chuch comic strips? xD
"then be the source for all other beings, and finally decree the laws that regulate themselves and the rest of the material world?"
That's a nonsense. Saying that every house have a builder annd every creation a creator means that every thunderbold have a thundereer (Thor?)... That every fire have a pyromaniac (Mephisto?); that's just nonsense and this opens a question: who's the creator of the creator? By your reasoning things that exists must have a creator.
@TheIceThorn and this opens a question: who's the creator of the creator? By your reasoning things that exists must have a creator.
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The Creator of the universe cannot be preceded by non-existence; otherwise, He would need another god to create Him; and that god, if he is preceded by non-existence, would need another god and so on. Thus, we would have an endless chain of gods without reaching a **causeless cause** to be the source of the existence of the universe.
@1tabligh You're freaking wrong cause i've proofs of the universe existance. I live in it, my senses can feel it. The point is simple: the universe is not created cause it do not needs a creator, it's always existed with the laws we know; not the same shape but it always existed. Maybe in a dot like the BB theory says but it always existed. You're only an arrogant human that PRETEND to be the center of the universe and to be made by a god with his same shape. God is in YOUR HEAD.
@TheIceThorn His Existence is not coming into Being from non-existence.
If in the course of developing the argument of the orderliness of the universe we attempt to prove the existence of a maker similar to the human maker, the divine maker will, in reality, also be a created being on the level of man; proving the existence of such a maker is an entirely different matter from proving the existence of the Maker and Creator of all being.
If you will still persist in your ignorance at least assure me as to when this *big bang* created itself-whether it did it before it came into existence, or afterwards?
If you say afterwards, your assertion is absurd. Because it is impossible for a thing to create its own self when it was already created.
@TheIceThorn The purpose of your assertion would be that the *big bang* made itself twice. It would mean that its first endeavours consisted in creating itself, and when it was quite ready and created, it created itself again. This is the most *absurd* and impossible theory-the acquisition of what is already acquired.
If you say that it created itself before it came into existence, it is really *stupid*. Because it was absolutely nothing before it came into existence.
@1tabligh "It would mean that its first endeavours consisted in creating itself,"
absolutely not; I don't think you know somethign about science or you'll know that "nothing creates, nothing destroy, everything transforms" that's the base law of the universe. That means that matter/energy ALWAYS existed. In a dot (big bang) that expands and crunches in trillion of years.
Nothing it's created cause nothing have a pourpose.
@TheIceThorn How is it possible for a non-existing thing to create another thing (*big bang*) ? You consider my belief in an existing thing (God) that creates another non-existing thing (*big bang*) as absurd. But you do not consider your own, as to the non-existing thing having the power to create an already existing thing,(*big bang*) as absurd and stupid.
Be yourself the judge, and tell me whose theory is absurd and irrational.?
@TheIceThorn In the name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.
"Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth (Universe) were joined together as one unit (atom) of creation, before we clove (exploded) them asunder? We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?"
What is called science by the *science-worshippers of the present age and regarded by them as equivalent to the sum total of *reality*, is simply a collection of laws applicable to a single dimension of the world. The result of all human effort and experimentation is a body of knowledge concerning a minute bright dot comparable to the dim light of a candle-surrounded by a dark night enveloping a huge desert of indefinite extent.
All praise is due to ALLAH, the Lord of the Universe.
@1tabligh Can you prove allah is even real? Using the Qur'an to prove allah is like using D.C. comics to prove superman btw. Going to need real evidence. or your argument is invalid
@gphhawkins If man, through the application of scientific instruments and criteria, cannot perceive the existence of a thing, he cannot deny its existence simply because it is incompatible with material criteria, unless he disposes of some proof that the thing in question is impossible.
@gphhawkins When the experimental sciences demonstrate that the elements and natural facrtors cannot exert any independent influence and do not possess any creativity; when all of our experiences, our sensory feelings, and our rational deductions point to the conclusion that nothing occurs in nature without a reason and cause and that all phenomena are based on an established system and specific laws, when all of this is the case, it is surprising that some people turn their backs on
@1tabligh Dude, #1 i asked you to prove your god. If you are using this crap as a means of somehow proving your god, then it applies to all worshiped gods and not just your version of Yahweh.
@1tabligh Yes i am reading your fucking comments, but heres the thing. You assert he is real, you give NO evidence but saying crap that doesnt prove anything whatsoever but just crap made up from your head... Give me proof you shut your fucking face you ignorant dumbass.
Scientific proof. if you cannot provide it you are DONE.
Your delusion that science has put out the notion of God is purely *rhetorical* and has nothing to do with logical method, because even thousands of scientific experiments could not possibly suffice to demonstrate that no non-material being or factor exists.
Your delusion is nothing more than a *fanatical* illusion based on unproven theories.
@gphhawkins scientific principles, primary deductions and propositions based on reflection, and deny the existence of the Creator.
Now, too, in the age of science and technology, when man has found his way into space, a considerable number of scientists have a religious outlook as part of the intellectual system; they have come to believe in the existence of a creator, a source for all beings, not only by means of the heart and the conscience, but also through deduction and logic.
@1tabligh You're a ignorant dumbass and every answer you do confirm it. You can say that something exists IF YOU HAVE PROOFS. If whayt you're saying it's true i challenge you to prove that i've not a dragon in my garage. You can't tell it, you can't see the dragon, hear, touch it; you must believe in the dragon and you'll be able, one day, after you died, to see it.
Now change the word "dragon" with "allah" or "jaweh" or any other god, or the flying spaghetti monster. It's just IDIOT.
@1tabligh In my opinion you're a cyclope. You can't prove the opposite cause you're the only one that see yourself as human. How can you say the opposite? Simple: i've NO PROOFS to say that you're a cyclope so i'm just lying.
Like you're lying about the existance of a god. Why? you've no proofs.
Proofs are what let us understand who's lying and who's saying the truth.
We discover the existence of an objective law from within the totality of phenomena that it is capable of interpreting. If, then, the establishment of scientific truth is possible only by means of direct sensation, the majority of scientific truths will have to be discarded, since many scientific facts cannot be perceived by means of sensory experience or testing.
Stupid brainless cuckoo atheist with asinine mind!
@1tabligh ditto: "You're a ignorant dumbass and every answer you do confirm it."
Things that exist exist for EVERYONE. And you assume that a god exists WITHOUT PROOFS. Proofs are what makes difference between something valid for everyone and something valid ONLY FOR YOU like your god.
The day you'll have proofs that your god exists it will be SCIENCE. Till that day it will be only RELIGION. Believing=/= science.
@TheIceThorn Which ones? I know NONE OF THEM. Example please xD I wanna laugh xD
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So much "laugh" for this stupid brainless pseudo-Scientific Demagogue!
Yes of course!
Concerning Experimentalists
Let us for a short while inquire about those who glorify experimentation and scientific understanding, and who declare with full pride that they do not adopt any view unless confirmed by experiments and demonstrated empirically. (They continue saying) that since the
theological position is concerned with invisible things beyond the limits of the senses and experimentation, we must case it aside, concentrating on the truths and knowledge that can be grasped in the experimental field.
We would ask the experimentalists, 'What do you intend by "experiment", and what do you mean by rejecting every doctrine not confirmed by the senses?'
If what is meant by their words is that they do not accept the existence of anything except if they have direct
@1tabligh "We would ask the experimentalists, 'What do you intend by "experiment", and what do you mean by rejecting every doctrine not confirmed by the senses?'"
Simple answer: an experiment is the act to reproduce a fenomena or the act of trying to obtain something of expected doing something to let it happen.
sense perception of chat thing, and they reject any idea except if they grasp its *objective* reality by one of their senses, then this will be a *blow* to the whole scientific edifice and a falsification of all the major truths that are demonstrated by the experiments they glorify.
@1tabligh@1tabligh "If what is meant by their words nonsenseblablabla by the experiments they glorify."
Speriemntation is somethign that is used to understand REALITY. To understand fantasy there's psychology (and i recomend you to visit SOON a psychologian) that's a branch of science that argue about human mind and it's mechanisms. Including invisible mens in the sky, fears, feelings, ecc.
And what we can sense, as i said is EVERYTHING THAT EXISTS.
@1tabligh you say that scientists 'reject' things that they can't sense. That's kinda hilarious. No one can see or touch a black hole thousand of light years away but, indirectly, we can sense it. How? It leave traces of it.
Which traces left your 'god'? a book full of ODDS, MURDERS, MASSACRES, UNJUST LAWS, RACIST LAWS, SEXIST LAWS, ecc ecc ecc.
That's not a book written by a freaking god. A book written by something superior should be understandable by anyone, even if they can't read.
@TheIceThorn When Newton, for example, put forth the law of general gravity in light of experimentation, did he perceived this gravity force by any of his five senses.?
When Newton, for example, put forth the law of general gravity in light of experimentation, did he perceived this gravity force by any of his five senses.?
When Newton, for example, put forth the law of general gravity in light of experimentation, did he perceived this gravity force by any of his five senses.?
@1tabligh "When Newton, for example, put forth the law of general gravity in light of experimentation, did he perceived this gravity force by any of his five senses.?"
Do i need to repeat?
If an apple falls on your freaking head how do you feel it? sense of TOUCH... -.-
When Newton, for example, put forth the law of general gravity in light of experimentation, he had *not* perceived this gravity force by any of his five senses.
Instead, he discovered it by way of another perceptible phenomenon for which he found no explanation except by supposing the gravity force. He noticed that the planets do not move in a straight line. Rather, they have a circular motion. According to Newton, this phenomenon
When Newton, for example, put forth the law of general gravity in light of experimentation, he had *not* perceived this gravity force by any of his five senses."
re: ARE YOU IDIOT OR WHAT?
Gravity let the apple fall on his head. Sense of TOUCH. That's called INDIRECT PERCEPTION. As I said not everything that science knows it's something that can be seen, black holes exists and we can't 'feel' them; we only watch what are their effects on the space you dumbass -.-
@TheIceThorn could not occur had there not been a gravity force. The reason is that the principle of essential deficiency requires chat a body move in a straight direction unless another manner [of movement] is imposed on it from an external force. From this, Newton obtained the law of gravity that asserts that the planets are subject to a central force, which is gravity. If these experimentalists who advocate and glorify experimentation intend the same method
@1tabligh Sadly for you gravity is not a "CENTRAL" force cause if half of the earth mass was on a point of the earth crust that was the point around the earth was orbiting now.
Gravity law is TOTALYL DIFFERENT from what you've said. Gravity law says that things that have a mass 'curve' the space around them attractign other object that pass near it.
@TheIceThorn by means of which the forces and secrets of the universe are discovered scientifically - namely, the study of a fixed perceptible phenomenon by experimentation and the rational inference of another thing from that phenomenon as the only explanation of the existence of that phenomenon - then this is *exactly* the method of demonstrating the *theological* position.
@1tabligh "then this is *exactly* the method of demonstrating the *theological* position."
You've no MATERIAL proof of god existance -.- Proofs that are in "your soul" or "inside me" (your ass?) are SUBJECTIVE and not valid. A proof must be valid in EVERY POSSIBLE CASE. if it isn't, it's not a proof.
said that, good bye son of a slave (muslim means submitted to god, translated: slave of god) that take as example a pedophyle, exterminator, thief guy that flies on horses with woman head
@TheIceThorn When the experimental sciences demonstrate that the elements and natural facrtors cannot exert any independent influence and do not possess any creativity; when all of our experiences, our sensory feelings, and our rational deductions point to the conclusion that nothing occurs in nature without a reason and cause and that all phenomena are based on an established system and specific laws,
@TheIceThorn when all of this is the case, it is surprising that some people turn their backs on scientific principles, primary deductions and propositions based on reflection, and deny the existence of the Creator.
Now, too, in the age of science and technology, when man has found his way into space, a considerable number of scientists have a religious outlook as part of the intellectual system; they have come to believe in the existence of a creator,
@1tabligh "a source for all beings, not only by means of the heart and the conscience, but also through deduction and logic."
If you think that you've a creator bring the proofs. That's logic thinking.
"Your Pseudo-Scientific Demagoguery does NOT at all help cure your delusions! "
I'm a delusional? I simply look on reality and accept it. I don't need to CREATE GODS at my image and looking that place me at the center of the universe... Egocentric delusional dumbass >.>
@TheIceThorn A demonstration of a scientific truth by experimentation does *not* mean a direct sense perception of that truth in the scientific field.
When Newton, for example, put forth the law of general gravity in light of experimentation, did he perceived this gravity force by any of his five senses.?
How is that for YOUR "I wanna laugh xD" and answer the question instead?!
@1tabligh "When Newton, for example, put forth the law of general gravity in light of experimentation, did he perceived this gravity force by any of his five senses.?"
An apple felt on his head... Then he asked himself 'WTF let that apple fall on my head? a god? no... there's should be a logic answer about it"; he experimented and... "wooo... that thing called 'gravity' exists... seems that matter 'curve' the space around it... cool! There's no god or devil around it!"
@1tabligh "is simply a collection of laws applicable to a single dimension of the world."
Sorry but the world have 4 dimensiont (width, height, lenght and time) and the laws that human ununcovered applies in EVERY OF THESE and IN EVERY TIME. If it wasn't like that there would be no science.
Ignorant.
All praise Jawellahmmithrasolinvitodinthorjupiter the 2010/11 collection of gods minifigs.
@1tabligh "So much science for this uncivilized stupid brainless pseudo-Scientific Demagogue! "
So go into a cave and live there eating raw meat and fruits, cause your house is something that SCIENCE have created, science people invented bricks, found a way to dominate fire and to live in a society. If you don't like science most of everything. SHUT THAT FUCKING COMPUTER DOWN.
"And the parable of those who disbelieve is as the parable of one who calls out to that which hears no more than a call and a cry; deaf, dumb (and) blind, so they do not understand. "
The Quran 2:171
Surely the vilest of animals, in God's sight, are the deaf, the dumb, who do not understand.
@1tabligh "Surely the vilest of animals, in God's sight, are the deaf, the dumb, who do not understand."
You mean that for you there's no paradise? ^^
The question my dear is not "if i'm wrong about allah but if you're wrong against aprox 150 other deities. What if there's no allah and there's the big juju of the mountain? You've 1/150 aprox probability of going in hell xD
@TheIceThorn Is it at all possible that the cells of the body should learn their functions, pursue their aim in a precise and orderly fashion, and crystallize so miraculously in the world of being, without there being a conscious and powerful being to instruct them?
Is it not rather the case that phenomena such as these prove and demonstrate, with the utmost emphasis, the need for a plan, a design, a guiding hand inspired by conscious will?
@1tabligh no way, you understand a dick about biology... >.>
Cells ARE EVERYTHING OUT OF ORDERED. There's no cell with organules in the same position of another one. Cells AREN'T A CRYSTALLIZED GOO. Cells are NON ENTROPIC. Cells are NOT ORDERED by the way you mean, there are chemical and physical rules that let cells work, like everything. There's no god that make every single reacion in a star buy those simply happens cause certain matter/energy have a certain behavior.
@1tabligh "Is it not rather the case that phenomena such as these prove and demonstrate, with the utmost emphasis, the need for a plan, a design, a guiding hand inspired by conscious will?"
Coscience is the conseguence of thinking; you're simply the data in your brain. You lose memory = YOU LOSE YOURSELF no way that happens something different; you say "no way you could interact with my 'soul'; i say: psychodrugs do it and there's no "god hokus pokus magic" behind them.
@TheIceThorn What realistic scientist, sincerely given to seeking the truth could claim today that while a kidney transplant is the result of centuries of continuous scientific research and experimentation, the structure of the kidney itself reveals no trace of a creative intelligence and will, being the product of mere nature—nature which has no more knowledge or awareness than a kindergarten pupil?
@1tabligh "What realistic scientist, sincerely given to seeking the truth could claim today that while a kidney transplant is the result of centuries of continuous scientific research and experimentation"
So? What's the problem? Simple things are hard to do if you've not the full comprension of what youre doing.
Even lit a fire for the first time was hard, cave mens didn't knew what's the heat and how to generate it. It's fruit of experiments. Thousand of them.
@TheIceThorn How can it be supposed that belief in the existence of God is the acceptance of contradiction, whereas belief in the uncaused nature of an effect such as matter is not contradictory?
How could it be believed that matter should itself be the origin of millions of attributes and characteristics and thus be the equivalent of the purposeful, wise and all-knowing Creator?
@1tabligh simple: cause of PROOFS. There are PROOFS of what scientist said and you've a comic book that proves the existance of god like the collection of Speedo proves the existance of Spiderman (no proofs).
Plus a omipotent god it's self contraddictory cause he can create something that he can't destroy. If he can he's no more omnipotent, if he can't he's not omnipotent too. That's a paradox, no way to run from it.
Sorry, your god is in your head only and not everywhere.
@TheIceThorn Is it not more logical to posit the existence of intelligence, will and planning in the creation of and ordering of the world than to attribute creativity to matter which lacks intelligence, thought, consciousness and the power to innovate?
@1tabligh No, at the light of proofs it isn't. Keeping the idea that there's a mage in the sky (WTF? how about planes?) that have 10 things that he do not want you to do and if you do you've a special place of torture and pain and anguist to stay forever that can create everything and be the paradox of himself it's just being spoiled. As i said: if you've a shitburger, no matter how much you believe, it won't turn into a chocolate burger.
@TheIceThorn Belief in the existence of a wise creator is without doubt more logical than faith in the creativity of matter, which has neither perception, consciousness, nor the ability to plan; we cannot attribute to matter all the properties and attributes of intelligence that we see in the world and the ordering will that it displays.
@1tabligh IT'S NOT FKNG FAITH. You don't know even the difference between faith and science you dumbass!
Faith = a guy dressed strangely tells something without proofs and surrounding donkeys believe in it.and take it as unchangeable and unique truth.
Sciente = i see something, i'll try to understand what's the cause then experiment to verify that is true and collect proof THEN, most important, i try to DISPROVE IT. You're not looking for the truth but only for easy 'flying donkeys'.
@1tabligh "we cannot attribute to matter all the properties and attributes of intelligence that we see in the world and the ordering will that it displays."
No one does it in fact, you don't even read precedent message, if you really read what i'm wrinting read type in your next msg "blablabla". It's just a test to see if you read answers or use random responses...
If you've read what i wrote you'll understand that THERE'S NO INTELLIGENCE THAT ORDERS. No space-warehouse sorting god.
@1tabligh "How is that for YOUR "chocolate burger"?"
Still smells of shit and appears like shit. Try again, you'll be suuuuuuuuuuuuuuurely able to turn it into chocolate someday (suuuuuuurely, believe in it, it will suuuuuuuuuuurely become chocolate)
@TheIceThorn Views such as these derive directly from a system of thought centered on materialism; within it, everything is defined and delimited with reference to materialism.
To interpret materialism in such a sense is in the final analysis strictly meaningless; it would be a superstitious notion involving the perversion of truth, and to regard it as scientific would, in fact, be *treason* to science.
@1tabligh "bla bla bla materialism evil bla bla bla" Sadly for you THIS REALM is the ONLY ONE that exists. You can imagine a snow covered land with purple unicorns how much you want but it won't exists out of your head. With this i don't say "don''t use fantasy, do not write fiction books, comics or anything else" i'm just saying: "don't take a book that's fiction like harry potter, the quiran, the lord of the rings and the bible and think that what's in it really happened.
@TheIceThorn Even if the followers of a religious school of thought had no proofs for their claim, to conclude firmly and forcibly that non- being reigns beyond the sensory realm would be a non-scientific choice, based on imagination and speculation.
@1tabligh imagination? do you IMAGINE that gravity exists or it exists cause you've proofs of it? are you idiot or what? do you imagine that the sun is a giant burning sphere far away in the space or there are proofs?
religion = IGNORANCE. For the religion gravity have no reason, it's just normal, birds? how the fk they fly? gods magic or simple physics? the sun and the moon? surely there should be a sun chariot that carries it into the sky and the earth is the canter of universe...
@1tabligh science says that there are non beings reigns cause THERE'S NO FKNG PROOF. Bring me the proof, a piece of heaven, a column or JUST MORE SIMPLY: bring here god, let him appear 6 moons and i'll have no reason to say that gods do not exists ok?
Your imagination is not the reality. Maybe world is much better inside our headd but I live in the one OUTSIDE MY HEAD and i don't mix between two. You do it and that's just mind ill.
@TheIceThorn Some people try to propagate this *fantasy* in the garb of science and to present their choice as having been dictated by scientific thought. In the final analysis, however, the denial involved in such an assertion is unworthy of science and philosophy, and even *contradicts* empirical logic.
@TheIceThorn If man, through the application of scientific instruments and criteria, cannot perceive the existence of a thing, he cannot deny its existence simply because it is incompatible with material criteria, unless he disposes of some proof that the thing in question is impossible.
@1tabligh "In the final analysis, however, the denial involved in such an assertion is unworthy of science and philosophy, and even *contradicts* empirical logic."
That's the stupidest ever assertion i've ever read xD
logic =/= mad fantasies about gods, superheroes, ecc... xD
@1tabligh "he structure of the kidney itself reveals no trace of a creative intelligence and will, being the product of mere nature—nature which has no more knowledge or awareness than a kindergarten pupil?"
No knowledge is needed. If you toss salt in water it will become salted. You do not need to know it to let it happen, you can simply toss it in for no reason for example. Why nature should know WTF is a kidney? It's fruit of millennia of adaptation and evolution.
Atheist are atheist cause they're skeptic so they've no delusion. If you've a delusion you're a believer.
Fool.
"How could some of the scientists blablabla let alone the whole universe?"
Cause they've 5 senses and a brain to make instruments capable of analyzing object far as the end of the universe. And they're not leaving it alone, that's an admission of ignorance; we know that the universe have a diameter of 50 trills of light years for example.
@1tabligh we know eiither that there are a billion of galaxies condensed in supermasses, with billions of solar systems each. We estimate too that we know aprox the 30% of the matter of the universe, the rest is 'dark matter' or 'unknown matter'; go and look for non barjonic matter if you wanna know more; it's quite a complex thing, i don't think you'll be able to understand it ATM.
If you think you've understood quantum physics, you didn't understood quantum physic.
@TheIceThorn Do scientific discoveries and knowledge cause such a scientist to conclude that matter, *unknowing and unperceiving *, is his creator and that of all beings?
No?
Then how can the duped atheists and some of the scientists delude themselve and *believe* that hydrogen and oxygen, electrons and protons, should first produce themselves, then be the source for all other beings, and finally decree the laws that regulate themselves and the rest of the material world?
your arguing with now two people that know the real truth about things so if you do have any questions bout your disbelief i think i can speak for her to we would be happy to answer your questions, i wasn't going to but i thought about it, and its are duty as Christians to do so.
and if you ask any bible scholar and yes i said scholar, which by know means are you, they would tell you the same thing, because they know there history, it was the church that brain washed people and it still does till this day if not worse now then ever before. i don't know were you get your information or if you create these lies out of thin air but nothing that you say is proven in historic evidence and yes everything that i am saying is just look it up.
@gphhawkins ''what'' the cult of Christianity listen and listen very well if you did your home work and new you history instead of making up lies about history which you obviously know nothing about you would know the bible was suppressed and dictated to people until the people revolted and took the bible back into there own position, and it wasn't just Christianity it was any one that believed the truth and there were many people and they weren't all christens,
i just really hope you guys see the light before its to late thing are coming in this world that you people wont be wont be able to comprehend unless they believe what the bible has to say and nothing will be able to protest you but the blood of Jesus, where done with this bickering now you will see soon enough.
@russo1987able #1 can you prove anything is coming? no you cant. #2 jesus isnt real, you cannot prove him #3 um you need to see the truth and stop hiding from it using your fairytales as an excuse. Remember the truth is never pleasant. Ignorance isn't bliss!
@russo1987able Another one who believes people should burn for no reason hahah. Besides, why the bible and not the Quran? If you believe in Quran and not in the Bible, do you still go to hell? Answer that, you brainless savage
for Satan and the rest of the fallen angels, it wasn't meant for us but Adam and even disobeyed god and we fell just like the angels did when they listened to the lies of Satan if you red the bible like you said you did you would know that. listen we could bicker about this forever get no where because your so stuck on proving me wrong it would be like hitting my head against a brick wall.
@russo1987able you claim i am believing a lie, you claim i need to see the truth but to believe whatever i want even thou you beleive i will burn for no reason.
your god is all knowing. meaning he knows ALL, he knew adam and eve would sin making them eligible to go to hell, yet god creates it still with said knowledge. you fucking retard.
@gphhawkins wow really nice language an yes i said you can believe what you want even if it is a lie i wasn't trying to get hostile with you. you sent me the videos to give me your opinion knowing that i'm a Christan,, but now i give you an opinion on what i believe and you call me a f>>> ing retard for speaking my mind on a video that was sent to me and you say you have a moral code ''are you serious'', i don't call you an f>>>ing retard about what you believe check your self bro.
@russo1987able well whats worse, telling someone is a retard for a fairy tale belief system, or telling someone that since they dont believe in what they believe they must BURN forever for no reason then disbelief because of no evidence whatsoever.
telling me that since i dont believe like you i must burn is way worse
@russo1987able I agree with you 100%.. I have done some videos about the fallen angels.. You know seeing videos like this only makes my faith in God stronger, because the Bible says that in the last days, there will be a great rebellion against God, and I bet this guy and a lot like him, was not making videos like this 5 years ago. It like they think believing in Jesus is a new thing, and all of a sudden they are offended, another bible prophecy being fulfilled..God Bless You!
@shyanndreamcatcher #1 how does it make your gullibility stronger? #2 im not rebelling agaisnt your non existent god, because i dont believe in him #3 um i wasnt making videos at the time because #1 no computer or webcam #2 i was a believer in god (til i read and studyed to bible of course) and #4 your gods not real
@gphhawkins You have to read the Bible to find out, you said you have read the Bible right? Then you would know why it makes my faith stronger.. Well, even if you didn't have a webcam or a computer, I really don't think you would have even thought of doing something like this back then. You prob had other things on your mind. I know I am right. Also, you can't be a believer in God at one time in your life time, you didn't know God nor got to know him, and even Satan knows the Bible..
@alynwhite Satan does know the Bible; he quoted Scripture to Jesus in Luke Chapter 4 and Matthew Chapter 4. Therefore, he knows those future things which God has revealed through His prophets.
@shyanndreamcatcher "another bible prophecy being fulfilled" Neah, the writers of the bible knew someday people are gonna start waking up, so they wrote about it so gullible losers like you believe it even more, that's how it is. Besides, these are not the last days you idiot, unless a nuclear war starts we'll live at least another 50 years or more. And if you're eager to go to heaven, why don't you kill yourself?
@alynwhite It seems to me that you know nothing about what is going on in the world, If you did then you know why so many Christians and NON-Christians believe we are living in the last days. I'm not a looser, because I have nothing to loose, and only something to gain. Also committing suicide is a sin, and only lands a person in HELL.. I look forward to when Jesus comes back to earth, because every eye shall see him, even YOU..
@shyanndreamcatcher Remember suicide bombers kill themselves because they believe they will go to heaven. That's a lie, because hell doesn't exist. You believe because you're afraid. Admit it. Now let's say I was born in India and I believe in Buddha, and I live my life treating people nice. When I die, I will go to hell because I didn't believe in Jesus. And vice versa. That's the thing with religion, they all say that if you don't believe in ONE of'em, you will go to hell.
@alynwhite I'm not afraid, I have seen Jesus when I was young. He does show himself to people at times. People that fall for religions that tell them to kill them self and others with a bomb is following a religion that Satan tricked them into.. Also I'm not part of a religion, I do not go to a church building to server Jesus.. I am a christian and I'm non-denominational..
@shyanndreamcatcher Thought you won't answer so I posted on your channel. Anyway the fact that you do not go to church is good. The church is only after money. And by saying that Satan tricked people into believing in Islam is gonna piss off a lot of people. Besides they could say the same thing about Christianity. Bottom line: Religion is made up.
@alynwhite What you don't understand is when Satan was kicked out of Heaven he took 1/3 of the angels with him. In Gen 6 it talks about the fallen angels. They saw the daughters of men that they were beautiful and picked them out a wife, and they had children that were Giants. The Giants are talked about in the Bible a lot.. They set them self up ( the giants) and some of the fallen angels as Gods. That way they trick people to believe in there lie.
@shyanndreamcatcher you cannot prove any of this, the Odyssey says lots of things, does that mean we should believe that book (which is older then the bible btw)
@gphhawkins Just look up the info on line like I did and you see the proof yourself.. The Hebrew Bible is the oldest Holy Bible, and to top that off they found the Dead Sea Scrolls that date even further back, how awesome is that? WoW
@alynwhite This is where we get a lot of our Greek Gods from too.. The Holy Bible is the oldest Book out of all other religious books.. Even older the the Quran, but the Quran is the 2nd oldest.. The Quran even admits that Jesus is real, they just don't have the story about Jesus the same as the oldest book of the Holy Bible..
@alynwhite I know with out a doubt I'm right, I read from the Bible that been around a lot longer and the Bible I read from don't tell me to strap on a bomb to go kill people. The Bible I read from says to love everyone..
@alynwhite The Dead Sea Scrolls were discovered in eleven caves along the northwest shore of the Dead Sea between the years 1947 and 1956. The area is 13 miles east of Jerusalem and is 1300 feet below sea level. The mostly fragmented texts, are numbered according to the cave that they came out of. They have been called the greatest manuscript discovery of modern times.
@alynwhite There are now identified among the scrolls, 19 copies of the Book of Isaiah, 25 copies of Deuteronomy and 30 copies of the Psalms . Prophecies by Ezekiel, Jeremiah and Daniel not found in the Bible are written in the Scrolls. The Isaiah Scroll, found relatively intact, is 1000 years older than any previously known copy of Isaiah. In fact, the scrolls are the oldest group of Old Testament manuscripts ever found.
@shyanndreamcatcher The way you see Islam, is how the muslims see Christianity. Saying that they got tricked by Satan is just you talking bullshit, because you don't really know. And now read this again: According to Islam, if you believe Jesus as the Son of God you go to hell, and according to Christianity if you believe that Jesus is not the Son of God you go to hell.
So realize now, that either one of 2 facts is true: 1.Religion is made up, or 2. YOU WILL GO TO HELL
@alynwhite I said this more then one time, I read from the Bible that has been around a lot longer then the Quran.. So, I'm not worried.. I know that the Bible I read from is the right one, it was the first one that tells the history during that time, then the Quran came out later, and had to back track into history..
@shyanndreamcatcher So Stop hoping, because even if you believe in Jesus, you will go to hell because you don't believe in Allah. See how religion is actually made up? Ofcourse you don't, you blindly believe everything you heard when you were little.
@alynwhite I just told you that the Quran is not as old as the Holy Bible, that come out way later in 632 CE.. They had to back track their Bible too. Because a lot of what is written had already happened..Also a angel came down to give them the book..
@alynwhite Surprising Archaeological has found Proof of Jesus' Existence First it was the name of the Roman governor Pontius Pilate found in a monument in Caesarea, Israel, in 1961 Biblical Archaeology Review revealed that a stone ossuary (bone receptacle) has an inscription reading James son of Joseph, brother of Jesus.” If authentic, this would be the earliest archaeological find that corroborates biblical references to Jesus
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The point is one.
Who do not have a religion it's not an asslicker. He knows that there are actions and conseguences and that those are what happens after their actions.
If I treat the next one to me well he should do the same. The limit of my freedom is YOUR freedom and that just good sense; not religion or nothing. It's called "being a social animal".
Differently religious licks a god ass to go in paradise and do not 'sin' to not go in hell... what's more *just* between the two?
TheIceThorn 4 weeks ago
I agree but... It annoys me that for a 1.53 second clip you have a 26 second intro.
85jacob85 1 month ago
@85jacob85 Understandable, subscribe!
gphhawkins 1 month ago
Excellent work! I notice a striking improvement from your earlier work.
JulesManson 1 month ago
@JulesManson enjoy the rest ;)
gphhawkins 1 month ago
atheism vs religion
never seen this before
cowfordflorida1 1 month ago
@cowfordflorida1 your thoughts on this video then?
gphhawkins 1 month ago
@gphhawkins ignorance can be bliss but religion is not necessary to be moral
cowfordflorida1 1 month ago
@cowfordflorida1 i meant from the video total.....
gphhawkins 1 month ago
@gphhawkins well I basically agree with you for the most part
cowfordflorida1 1 month ago
@cowfordflorida1 enjoy the rest of my videos ;)
gphhawkins 1 month ago
Religion gives you morals like "Honor your father and mother' and 'Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death" (Matthew 15:4).
Atheists consider the results of their actions, atheists consider - "what if everyone did this", and build morals on top of these simple rules.
Religious don't even follow the rules of their favorite book. I bet they still work on Sabbath, most christians I know have no problem with coveting.
olegkikin 1 month ago
@olegkikin agreed!!!
gphhawkins 1 month ago
WOW, so your question was am i retarded, people do you really take these videos seriously coming out of a mouth that cant even have an have an adult conversation or debate with another person , but i should have known better im talking to immature children that act just like children do when they don't get there way or cant convince there parents into getting something they want they cuss and blurt out absurd things like having a temper tantrum how can you take your self seriously
russo1987able 1 month ago
@russo1987able says the person who believe in childish nonsense created by ignorance men who knew nothing about anything
gphhawkins 1 month ago
@gphhawkins The atheist Delusion!
How could some of the scientists permit themselves to make a claim that would necessitate knowledge as extensive as the scheme of the universe, when their knowledge of the total scheme of being is *close* to zero, when confronted with a whole mass of unknowns concerning this very earth and tangible, lifeless matter, let alone the whole universe?
1tabligh 1 month ago
@1tabligh what?
gphhawkins 1 month ago
@gphhawkins Do scientific discoveries and knowledge cause such a scientist to conclude that matter, *unknowing and unperceiving *, is his creator and that of all beings?
No?
Then how can the duped atheists and some of the scientists delude themselve and *believe* that hydrogen and oxygen, electrons and protons, should first produce themselves, then be the source for all other beings, and finally decree the laws that regulate themselves and the rest of the material world?
1tabligh 1 month ago
@1tabligh If mankind cannot see, hear, feel, smell, taste or detect something, there is no reason to believe it's real. That includes your god.
MrAgentGreeny 1 month ago
@MrAgentGreeny Is your denial of God, then is, because, you have not felt Him with the senses given to us for knowing objects?
Have you ever ascended or visited this sky, which you behold with your eyes, or been in the depths of the earth?
Have you traversed the world, dived in every sea, and moved through the Universe?
To *presumptuously* deny the existence of an Omniscient, Omnipotent Creator, you must have been to all these places.
1tabligh 1 month ago
@1tabligh
>I haven't been everywhere in the universe
>Therefore god exists
Well, I haven't heard that argument before :)
MrAgentGreeny 1 month ago
@MrAgentGreeny Now tell me, have you ever been everywhere?
How strange it is that you have not been everywhere to know what lies everywhere, but nonetheless you deny what exists there. Would any wise man deny the reality of what he is ignorant of?
And you deny the existence of the Creator because you cannot see him with your eyes.
So, in fact, you have doubts concerning the existence of God; you think He may exist and He may not exist?
1tabligh 1 month ago
@1tabligh
>deny what exists there
How do you know it exists there?
>And you deny the existence of the Creator because you cannot see him with your eyes.
No, I reject the idea that a creator exists because there is no good reason or rational justification for believing it does exist.
>you have doubts concerning the existence of God; you think He may exist and He may not exist?
I think god does not exist. I think no gods exist. I don't believe anything outside of the reality we know exists.
MrAgentGreeny 1 month ago
@MrAgentGreeny So how do you know what is there?
Have you seen that the universe always existed and will always exist?
How come you have taken one side over the other. It is wiser for you to say 'I don't know,' and I will subject myself to further scrutiny, than to take a stand and say there's 'No God' because you have taken that stand and you have *no* evidence.
1tabligh 1 month ago
@1tabligh There was a big bang 13.75 billion years ago.
I don't really know whether the universe will last forever, it may or it may not.
I see no evidence for the existence of a god, none.
Please provide some, not just a "the universe exists, therefore goddidit".
MrAgentGreeny 1 month ago
@MrAgentGreeny There was a big bang 13.75 billion years ago.
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If you will still persist in your ignorance at least assure me as to when this *big bang* created itself-whether it did it before it came into existence, or afterwards?
If you say afterwards, your assertion is absurd. Because it is impossible for a thing to create its own self when it was already created.
1tabligh 1 month ago
@MrAgentGreeny The purpose of your assertion would be that the *big bang* made itself twice. It would mean that its first endeavours consisted in creating itself, and when it was quite ready and created, it created itself again. This is the most *absurd* and impossible theory-the acquisition of what is already acquired.
If you say that it created itself before it came into existence, it is really *stupid*. Because it was absolutely nothing before it came into existence.
1tabligh 1 month ago
@MrAgentGreeny How is it possible for a non-existing thing to create another thing (*big bang*) ? You consider my belief in an existing thing (God) that creates another non-existing thing (*big bang*) as absurd. But you do not consider your own, as to the non-existing thing having the power to create an already existing thing,(*big bang*) as absurd and stupid.
Be yourself the judge, and tell me whose theory is absurd and irrational.?
1tabligh 1 month ago
@MrAgentGreeny In the name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.
"Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth (Universe) were joined together as one unit (atom) of creation, before we clove (exploded) them asunder? We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?"
The Quran 21:30
1tabligh 1 month ago
@1tabligh the most merciful!
*then suddenly an explosion belt detonates*/plane crashes into building >.>
I'm not discriminating islam. Every ORGANIZED religion is as this. Religion should be something PERSONAL or not even exist. Being organized means that you believe in something that SOMEONE tells you to believe, are not your thoughts are someone else toughts.
After this I won't answer you anymore cause i like to talk only to people that have their own ideas on their minds.
TheIceThorn 4 weeks ago
@TheIceThorn The atheist Delusion!
How could some of the scientists permit themselves to make a claim that would necessitate knowledge as extensive as the scheme of the universe, when their knowledge of the total scheme of being is *close* to zero, when confronted with a whole mass of unknowns concerning this very earth and tangible, lifeless matter, let alone the whole universe?
1tabligh 4 weeks ago
How can you say that He is not in those places where neither you nor your senses have ever been?
Perhaps He may be living there. Perhaps a person of extraordinary intelligence may reside in one of those places.
May be you have admitted the probability of a creator, you will, I hope, be convinced to admit the certainty. From *flat denial you may have come to doubt, from that perhaps to faith.
Imagining is a sign of impotence when confronted with what you cannot be certain of!
1tabligh 1 month ago
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@1tabligh "Do scientific discoveries and knowledge cause such a scientist to conclude that matter, *unknowing and unperceiving *, is his creator and that of all beings? no?"
No. We don't need to call everything we see god. We did it for fire "i can't explain what it is..." then a guy like you came and said "then call it god!" same for the sun "i can't explain..." "then call it god", same for gravity, ecc ecc.
We're not the delusional ones; we look for answers. You are.
TheIceThorn 3 weeks ago
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@1tabligh "Do scientific discoveries and knowledge cause such a scientist to conclude that matter, *unknowing and unperceiving *, is his creator and that of all beings? no?"
No. We don't need to call everything we see god. We did it for fire "i can't explain what it is..." then a guy like you came and said "then call it god!" same for the sun "i can't explain..." "then call it god", same for gravity, ecc ecc.
We're not the delusional ones; we look for answers. You are.
TheIceThorn 3 weeks ago
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@1tabligh "Do scientific discoveries and knowledge cause such a scientist to conclude that matter, *unknowing and unperceiving *, is his creator and that of all beings? no?"
No. We don't need to call everything we see god. We did it for fire "i can't explain what it is..." then a guy like you came and said "then call it god!" same for the sun "i can't explain..." "then call it god", same for gravity, ecc ecc.
We're not the delusional ones; we look for answers. You are.
TheIceThorn 3 weeks ago
@1tabligh "Then how can the duped atheists and some of the scientists delude themselve and *believe* that hydrogen and oxygen, electrons and protons, should first produce themselves,"
No one said that xD That's suck a oddity xD Where did you read this? on chuch comic strips? xD
TheIceThorn 3 weeks ago
@1tabligh
"then be the source for all other beings, and finally decree the laws that regulate themselves and the rest of the material world?"
That's a nonsense. Saying that every house have a builder annd every creation a creator means that every thunderbold have a thundereer (Thor?)... That every fire have a pyromaniac (Mephisto?); that's just nonsense and this opens a question: who's the creator of the creator? By your reasoning things that exists must have a creator.
TheIceThorn 3 weeks ago
@TheIceThorn and this opens a question: who's the creator of the creator? By your reasoning things that exists must have a creator.
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The Creator of the universe cannot be preceded by non-existence; otherwise, He would need another god to create Him; and that god, if he is preceded by non-existence, would need another god and so on. Thus, we would have an endless chain of gods without reaching a **causeless cause** to be the source of the existence of the universe.
1tabligh 3 weeks ago
@1tabligh Exactly so no one created the universe cause the universe have no purpose.
Things that are created are created with a pourpose; no pourpose = NO CREATION. No creation = no creator. That means THERE'S NO FKNG 'GOD'. -.-
TheIceThorn 3 weeks ago
@TheIceThorn Then we have to deny the existence of the universe. We would also have to deny ourselves because we are a part of the universe.
But you say to yourself: I cannot do that because I am here. Then you have to say: God is there!
1tabligh 3 weeks ago
@1tabligh You're freaking wrong cause i've proofs of the universe existance. I live in it, my senses can feel it. The point is simple: the universe is not created cause it do not needs a creator, it's always existed with the laws we know; not the same shape but it always existed. Maybe in a dot like the BB theory says but it always existed. You're only an arrogant human that PRETEND to be the center of the universe and to be made by a god with his same shape. God is in YOUR HEAD.
TheIceThorn 3 weeks ago
@TheIceThorn His Existence is not coming into Being from non-existence.
If in the course of developing the argument of the orderliness of the universe we attempt to prove the existence of a maker similar to the human maker, the divine maker will, in reality, also be a created being on the level of man; proving the existence of such a maker is an entirely different matter from proving the existence of the Maker and Creator of all being.
1tabligh 3 weeks ago
@TheIceThorn Maybe in a dot like the BB theory
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If you will still persist in your ignorance at least assure me as to when this *big bang* created itself-whether it did it before it came into existence, or afterwards?
If you say afterwards, your assertion is absurd. Because it is impossible for a thing to create its own self when it was already created.
1tabligh 3 weeks ago
@TheIceThorn The purpose of your assertion would be that the *big bang* made itself twice. It would mean that its first endeavours consisted in creating itself, and when it was quite ready and created, it created itself again. This is the most *absurd* and impossible theory-the acquisition of what is already acquired.
If you say that it created itself before it came into existence, it is really *stupid*. Because it was absolutely nothing before it came into existence.
1tabligh 3 weeks ago
@1tabligh "It would mean that its first endeavours consisted in creating itself,"
absolutely not; I don't think you know somethign about science or you'll know that "nothing creates, nothing destroy, everything transforms" that's the base law of the universe. That means that matter/energy ALWAYS existed. In a dot (big bang) that expands and crunches in trillion of years.
Nothing it's created cause nothing have a pourpose.
TheIceThorn 3 weeks ago
@TheIceThorn How is it possible for a non-existing thing to create another thing (*big bang*) ? You consider my belief in an existing thing (God) that creates another non-existing thing (*big bang*) as absurd. But you do not consider your own, as to the non-existing thing having the power to create an already existing thing,(*big bang*) as absurd and stupid.
Be yourself the judge, and tell me whose theory is absurd and irrational.?
1tabligh 3 weeks ago
@1tabligh "How is it possible for a non-existing thing to create another thing (*big bang*) ?"
Simple: Everything ever existed. In a different form but ever existed.
"Be yourself the judge, and tell me whose theory is absurd and irrational.?"
Yours, cause if a god created the world someone created a god and so on and that just make no sense. Everything ever existed... that makes sense.
No thunderbolt have thundereers in this world my dear.
TheIceThorn 3 weeks ago
@TheIceThorn In the name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.
"Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth (Universe) were joined together as one unit (atom) of creation, before we clove (exploded) them asunder? We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?"
The Quran 21:30
"You're only an arrogant human"
Thanks!
Poor fella!
So much science for this uncivilized stupid brainless pseudo-Scientific Demagogue!
1tabligh 3 weeks ago
@1tabligh "In the name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful."
"BLBLBLBLBLBL YAAAAAAAAAAAA!" ***BOOOOOOM***
>.>
"In the name of Jesus! the most merciful!"
"BLBLBLBLBLBL YAAAAAAAAAAAA!" ***BOOOOOOM***
"In the name of no one! cause the owrld is beautiful and do not needs a creator!"
"All high the glasses! cin cin!"
TheIceThorn 3 weeks ago
What is called science by the *science-worshippers of the present age and regarded by them as equivalent to the sum total of *reality*, is simply a collection of laws applicable to a single dimension of the world. The result of all human effort and experimentation is a body of knowledge concerning a minute bright dot comparable to the dim light of a candle-surrounded by a dark night enveloping a huge desert of indefinite extent.
All praise is due to ALLAH, the Lord of the Universe.
1tabligh 3 weeks ago
@1tabligh Can you prove allah is even real? Using the Qur'an to prove allah is like using D.C. comics to prove superman btw. Going to need real evidence. or your argument is invalid
gphhawkins 3 weeks ago
@gphhawkins If man, through the application of scientific instruments and criteria, cannot perceive the existence of a thing, he cannot deny its existence simply because it is incompatible with material criteria, unless he disposes of some proof that the thing in question is impossible.
1tabligh 3 weeks ago
@1tabligh I asked you to PROVE your god Allah. If you cant simply prove him, then shut your face. simple as that.
If you do not have proof, you shouldnt believe in it just to believe.
gphhawkins 3 weeks ago
@gphhawkins When the experimental sciences demonstrate that the elements and natural facrtors cannot exert any independent influence and do not possess any creativity; when all of our experiences, our sensory feelings, and our rational deductions point to the conclusion that nothing occurs in nature without a reason and cause and that all phenomena are based on an established system and specific laws, when all of this is the case, it is surprising that some people turn their backs on
1tabligh 3 weeks ago
@1tabligh Dude, #1 i asked you to prove your god. If you are using this crap as a means of somehow proving your god, then it applies to all worshiped gods and not just your version of Yahweh.
If you cannot prove allah then stop commenting.
gphhawkins 3 weeks ago
@gphhawkins So much science for this uncivilized stupid brainless pseudo-Scientific Demagogue!
Your Pseudo-Scientific Demagoguery does NOT at all help cure your delusions!
YOU ARE NOT READING MY COMMENTS!
READ MY COMMENTS WITH YOUR INTELLECT AND ABSOLUTELY NOT WITH YOUR WANNABE MONKEY EMOTIONS!
Is it at all feasible to regard all the geometry, functioning and movement of the universe as the outcome of matter in its ignorance?
1tabligh 3 weeks ago
@1tabligh Yes i am reading your fucking comments, but heres the thing. You assert he is real, you give NO evidence but saying crap that doesnt prove anything whatsoever but just crap made up from your head... Give me proof you shut your fucking face you ignorant dumbass.
Scientific proof. if you cannot provide it you are DONE.
gphhawkins 3 weeks ago
@gphhawkins The atheist Delusion!
Your delusion that science has put out the notion of God is purely *rhetorical* and has nothing to do with logical method, because even thousands of scientific experiments could not possibly suffice to demonstrate that no non-material being or factor exists.
Your delusion is nothing more than a *fanatical* illusion based on unproven theories.
1tabligh 3 weeks ago
@gphhawkins scientific principles, primary deductions and propositions based on reflection, and deny the existence of the Creator.
Now, too, in the age of science and technology, when man has found his way into space, a considerable number of scientists have a religious outlook as part of the intellectual system; they have come to believe in the existence of a creator, a source for all beings, not only by means of the heart and the conscience, but also through deduction and logic.
1tabligh 3 weeks ago
@1tabligh You're a ignorant dumbass and every answer you do confirm it. You can say that something exists IF YOU HAVE PROOFS. If whayt you're saying it's true i challenge you to prove that i've not a dragon in my garage. You can't tell it, you can't see the dragon, hear, touch it; you must believe in the dragon and you'll be able, one day, after you died, to see it.
Now change the word "dragon" with "allah" or "jaweh" or any other god, or the flying spaghetti monster. It's just IDIOT.
TheIceThorn 3 weeks ago
@1tabligh In my opinion you're a cyclope. You can't prove the opposite cause you're the only one that see yourself as human. How can you say the opposite? Simple: i've NO PROOFS to say that you're a cyclope so i'm just lying.
Like you're lying about the existance of a god. Why? you've no proofs.
Proofs are what let us understand who's lying and who's saying the truth.
TheIceThorn 3 weeks ago
@TheI..You're a ignorant dumbass
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The argument of an IGNORANT!
We discover the existence of an objective law from within the totality of phenomena that it is capable of interpreting. If, then, the establishment of scientific truth is possible only by means of direct sensation, the majority of scientific truths will have to be discarded, since many scientific facts cannot be perceived by means of sensory experience or testing.
Stupid brainless cuckoo atheist with asinine mind!
1tabligh 3 weeks ago
@1tabligh ditto: "You're a ignorant dumbass and every answer you do confirm it."
Things that exist exist for EVERYONE. And you assume that a god exists WITHOUT PROOFS. Proofs are what makes difference between something valid for everyone and something valid ONLY FOR YOU like your god.
The day you'll have proofs that your god exists it will be SCIENCE. Till that day it will be only RELIGION. Believing=/= science.
TheIceThorn 3 weeks ago
@1tabligh p.s.
"since many scientific facts cannot be perceived by means of sensory experience or testing."
Which ones?
I know NONE OF THEM.
Example please xD
I wanna laugh xD
TheIceThorn 3 weeks ago
@TheIceThorn Which ones? I know NONE OF THEM. Example please xD I wanna laugh xD
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So much "laugh" for this stupid brainless pseudo-Scientific Demagogue!
Yes of course!
Concerning Experimentalists
Let us for a short while inquire about those who glorify experimentation and scientific understanding, and who declare with full pride that they do not adopt any view unless confirmed by experiments and demonstrated empirically. (They continue saying) that since the
1tabligh 3 weeks ago
theological position is concerned with invisible things beyond the limits of the senses and experimentation, we must case it aside, concentrating on the truths and knowledge that can be grasped in the experimental field.
We would ask the experimentalists, 'What do you intend by "experiment", and what do you mean by rejecting every doctrine not confirmed by the senses?'
If what is meant by their words is that they do not accept the existence of anything except if they have direct
1tabligh 3 weeks ago
@1tabligh "We would ask the experimentalists, 'What do you intend by "experiment", and what do you mean by rejecting every doctrine not confirmed by the senses?'"
Simple answer: an experiment is the act to reproduce a fenomena or the act of trying to obtain something of expected doing something to let it happen.
That's sperimentation.
Another question plz. Harder this time.
TheIceThorn 3 weeks ago
sense perception of chat thing, and they reject any idea except if they grasp its *objective* reality by one of their senses, then this will be a *blow* to the whole scientific edifice and a falsification of all the major truths that are demonstrated by the experiments they glorify.
1tabligh 3 weeks ago
@1tabligh @1tabligh "If what is meant by their words nonsenseblablabla by the experiments they glorify."
Speriemntation is somethign that is used to understand REALITY. To understand fantasy there's psychology (and i recomend you to visit SOON a psychologian) that's a branch of science that argue about human mind and it's mechanisms. Including invisible mens in the sky, fears, feelings, ecc.
And what we can sense, as i said is EVERYTHING THAT EXISTS.
TheIceThorn 3 weeks ago
@1tabligh you say that scientists 'reject' things that they can't sense. That's kinda hilarious. No one can see or touch a black hole thousand of light years away but, indirectly, we can sense it. How? It leave traces of it.
Which traces left your 'god'? a book full of ODDS, MURDERS, MASSACRES, UNJUST LAWS, RACIST LAWS, SEXIST LAWS, ecc ecc ecc.
That's not a book written by a freaking god. A book written by something superior should be understandable by anyone, even if they can't read.
TheIceThorn 3 weeks ago
@TheIceThorn When Newton, for example, put forth the law of general gravity in light of experimentation, did he perceived this gravity force by any of his five senses.?
When Newton, for example, put forth the law of general gravity in light of experimentation, did he perceived this gravity force by any of his five senses.?
When Newton, for example, put forth the law of general gravity in light of experimentation, did he perceived this gravity force by any of his five senses.?
1tabligh 3 weeks ago
@1tabligh "When Newton, for example, put forth the law of general gravity in light of experimentation, did he perceived this gravity force by any of his five senses.?"
Do i need to repeat?
If an apple falls on your freaking head how do you feel it? sense of TOUCH... -.-
Are you idiot or what? -.-
TheIceThorn 3 weeks ago
@TheIceThorn Nope!
When Newton, for example, put forth the law of general gravity in light of experimentation, he had *not* perceived this gravity force by any of his five senses.
Instead, he discovered it by way of another perceptible phenomenon for which he found no explanation except by supposing the gravity force. He noticed that the planets do not move in a straight line. Rather, they have a circular motion. According to Newton, this phenomenon
1tabligh 3 weeks ago
@1tabligh "Nope!
When Newton, for example, put forth the law of general gravity in light of experimentation, he had *not* perceived this gravity force by any of his five senses."
re: ARE YOU IDIOT OR WHAT?
Gravity let the apple fall on his head. Sense of TOUCH. That's called INDIRECT PERCEPTION. As I said not everything that science knows it's something that can be seen, black holes exists and we can't 'feel' them; we only watch what are their effects on the space you dumbass -.-
TheIceThorn 3 weeks ago
@TheIceThorn could not occur had there not been a gravity force. The reason is that the principle of essential deficiency requires chat a body move in a straight direction unless another manner [of movement] is imposed on it from an external force. From this, Newton obtained the law of gravity that asserts that the planets are subject to a central force, which is gravity. If these experimentalists who advocate and glorify experimentation intend the same method
1tabligh 3 weeks ago
@1tabligh Sadly for you gravity is not a "CENTRAL" force cause if half of the earth mass was on a point of the earth crust that was the point around the earth was orbiting now.
Gravity law is TOTALYL DIFFERENT from what you've said. Gravity law says that things that have a mass 'curve' the space around them attractign other object that pass near it.
TheIceThorn 3 weeks ago
@TheIceThorn by means of which the forces and secrets of the universe are discovered scientifically - namely, the study of a fixed perceptible phenomenon by experimentation and the rational inference of another thing from that phenomenon as the only explanation of the existence of that phenomenon - then this is *exactly* the method of demonstrating the *theological* position.
1tabligh 3 weeks ago
@1tabligh "then this is *exactly* the method of demonstrating the *theological* position."
You've no MATERIAL proof of god existance -.- Proofs that are in "your soul" or "inside me" (your ass?) are SUBJECTIVE and not valid. A proof must be valid in EVERY POSSIBLE CASE. if it isn't, it's not a proof.
said that, good bye son of a slave (muslim means submitted to god, translated: slave of god) that take as example a pedophyle, exterminator, thief guy that flies on horses with woman head
TheIceThorn 3 weeks ago
@TheIceThorn When the experimental sciences demonstrate that the elements and natural facrtors cannot exert any independent influence and do not possess any creativity; when all of our experiences, our sensory feelings, and our rational deductions point to the conclusion that nothing occurs in nature without a reason and cause and that all phenomena are based on an established system and specific laws,
1tabligh 3 weeks ago
@TheIceThorn when all of this is the case, it is surprising that some people turn their backs on scientific principles, primary deductions and propositions based on reflection, and deny the existence of the Creator.
Now, too, in the age of science and technology, when man has found his way into space, a considerable number of scientists have a religious outlook as part of the intellectual system; they have come to believe in the existence of a creator,
1tabligh 3 weeks ago
@TheIceThorn a source for all beings, not only by means of the heart and the conscience, but also through deduction and logic.
Your Pseudo-Scientific Demagoguery does NOT at all help cure your delusions!
1tabligh 3 weeks ago
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@1tabligh "a source for all beings, not only by means of the heart and the conscience, but also through deduction and logic."
If you think that you've a creator bring the proofs. That's logic thinking.
"Your Pseudo-Scientific Demagoguery does NOT at all help cure your delusions! "
I'm a delusional? I simply look on reality and accept it. I don't need to CREATE GODS at my image and looking that place me at the center of the universe... Egocentric delusional dumbass >.>
TheIceThorn 3 weeks ago
@TheIceThorn A demonstration of a scientific truth by experimentation does *not* mean a direct sense perception of that truth in the scientific field.
When Newton, for example, put forth the law of general gravity in light of experimentation, did he perceived this gravity force by any of his five senses.?
How is that for YOUR "I wanna laugh xD" and answer the question instead?!
1tabligh 3 weeks ago
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@1tabligh "When Newton, for example, put forth the law of general gravity in light of experimentation, did he perceived this gravity force by any of his five senses.?"
An apple felt on his head... Then he asked himself 'WTF let that apple fall on my head? a god? no... there's should be a logic answer about it"; he experimented and... "wooo... that thing called 'gravity' exists... seems that matter 'curve' the space around it... cool! There's no god or devil around it!"
Still ROTFLOL
TheIceThorn 3 weeks ago
@1tabligh "is simply a collection of laws applicable to a single dimension of the world."
Sorry but the world have 4 dimensiont (width, height, lenght and time) and the laws that human ununcovered applies in EVERY OF THESE and IN EVERY TIME. If it wasn't like that there would be no science.
Ignorant.
All praise Jawellahmmithrasolinvitodinthorjupiter the 2010/11 collection of gods minifigs.
Yesterday it was sacred, today is mithology.
TheIceThorn 3 weeks ago
@1tabligh "So much science for this uncivilized stupid brainless pseudo-Scientific Demagogue! "
So go into a cave and live there eating raw meat and fruits, cause your house is something that SCIENCE have created, science people invented bricks, found a way to dominate fire and to live in a society. If you don't like science most of everything. SHUT THAT FUCKING COMPUTER DOWN.
religious delusional idiot... >.>
TheIceThorn 3 weeks ago
@TheIceThorn "BLBLBLBLBLBL YAAAAAAAAAAAA!" ***BOOOOOOM***
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"BLBLBLBLBLBL YAAAAAAAAAAAA!" ***BOOOOOOM***
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Poor fella!
"And the parable of those who disbelieve is as the parable of one who calls out to that which hears no more than a call and a cry; deaf, dumb (and) blind, so they do not understand. "
The Quran 2:171
Surely the vilest of animals, in God's sight, are the deaf, the dumb, who do not understand.
The Quran Chapter 8, Verse 22
1tabligh 3 weeks ago
@1tabligh "Surely the vilest of animals, in God's sight, are the deaf, the dumb, who do not understand."
You mean that for you there's no paradise? ^^
The question my dear is not "if i'm wrong about allah but if you're wrong against aprox 150 other deities. What if there's no allah and there's the big juju of the mountain? You've 1/150 aprox probability of going in hell xD
Good luck, you'll need it fool xD
TheIceThorn 3 weeks ago
@TheIceThorn Is it at all possible that the cells of the body should learn their functions, pursue their aim in a precise and orderly fashion, and crystallize so miraculously in the world of being, without there being a conscious and powerful being to instruct them?
Is it not rather the case that phenomena such as these prove and demonstrate, with the utmost emphasis, the need for a plan, a design, a guiding hand inspired by conscious will?
1tabligh 3 weeks ago
@1tabligh no way, you understand a dick about biology... >.>
Cells ARE EVERYTHING OUT OF ORDERED. There's no cell with organules in the same position of another one. Cells AREN'T A CRYSTALLIZED GOO. Cells are NON ENTROPIC. Cells are NOT ORDERED by the way you mean, there are chemical and physical rules that let cells work, like everything. There's no god that make every single reacion in a star buy those simply happens cause certain matter/energy have a certain behavior.
TheIceThorn 3 weeks ago
@1tabligh "Is it not rather the case that phenomena such as these prove and demonstrate, with the utmost emphasis, the need for a plan, a design, a guiding hand inspired by conscious will?"
Coscience is the conseguence of thinking; you're simply the data in your brain. You lose memory = YOU LOSE YOURSELF no way that happens something different; you say "no way you could interact with my 'soul'; i say: psychodrugs do it and there's no "god hokus pokus magic" behind them.
TheIceThorn 3 weeks ago
@1tabligh p.s. "without there being a conscious and powerful being to instruct them?"
Atoms and particles HAVE NO consciousness; this is a conseguence of a complex brain. Even animals have one but not a rock.
There's no 'greater being' that bring every atom to school and say "that carbon! with this you must react as i'm showing you!" >.>
That's just fucking ridiculous... sounds like a kid fairy tale or lullaby... Someone must be very stupid to think this...
TheIceThorn 3 weeks ago
@TheIceThorn What realistic scientist, sincerely given to seeking the truth could claim today that while a kidney transplant is the result of centuries of continuous scientific research and experimentation, the structure of the kidney itself reveals no trace of a creative intelligence and will, being the product of mere nature—nature which has no more knowledge or awareness than a kindergarten pupil?
1tabligh 3 weeks ago
@1tabligh "What realistic scientist, sincerely given to seeking the truth could claim today that while a kidney transplant is the result of centuries of continuous scientific research and experimentation"
So? What's the problem? Simple things are hard to do if you've not the full comprension of what youre doing.
Even lit a fire for the first time was hard, cave mens didn't knew what's the heat and how to generate it. It's fruit of experiments. Thousand of them.
TheIceThorn 3 weeks ago
@TheIceThorn How can it be supposed that belief in the existence of God is the acceptance of contradiction, whereas belief in the uncaused nature of an effect such as matter is not contradictory?
How could it be believed that matter should itself be the origin of millions of attributes and characteristics and thus be the equivalent of the purposeful, wise and all-knowing Creator?
1tabligh 3 weeks ago
@1tabligh simple: cause of PROOFS. There are PROOFS of what scientist said and you've a comic book that proves the existance of god like the collection of Speedo proves the existance of Spiderman (no proofs).
Plus a omipotent god it's self contraddictory cause he can create something that he can't destroy. If he can he's no more omnipotent, if he can't he's not omnipotent too. That's a paradox, no way to run from it.
Sorry, your god is in your head only and not everywhere.
TheIceThorn 3 weeks ago
@TheIceThorn Is it not more logical to posit the existence of intelligence, will and planning in the creation of and ordering of the world than to attribute creativity to matter which lacks intelligence, thought, consciousness and the power to innovate?
1tabligh 3 weeks ago
@1tabligh No, at the light of proofs it isn't. Keeping the idea that there's a mage in the sky (WTF? how about planes?) that have 10 things that he do not want you to do and if you do you've a special place of torture and pain and anguist to stay forever that can create everything and be the paradox of himself it's just being spoiled. As i said: if you've a shitburger, no matter how much you believe, it won't turn into a chocolate burger.
TheIceThorn 3 weeks ago
@TheIceThorn Belief in the existence of a wise creator is without doubt more logical than faith in the creativity of matter, which has neither perception, consciousness, nor the ability to plan; we cannot attribute to matter all the properties and attributes of intelligence that we see in the world and the ordering will that it displays.
How is that for YOUR "chocolate burger"?
1tabligh 3 weeks ago
@1tabligh IT'S NOT FKNG FAITH. You don't know even the difference between faith and science you dumbass!
Faith = a guy dressed strangely tells something without proofs and surrounding donkeys believe in it.and take it as unchangeable and unique truth.
Sciente = i see something, i'll try to understand what's the cause then experiment to verify that is true and collect proof THEN, most important, i try to DISPROVE IT. You're not looking for the truth but only for easy 'flying donkeys'.
TheIceThorn 3 weeks ago
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@1tabligh "we cannot attribute to matter all the properties and attributes of intelligence that we see in the world and the ordering will that it displays."
No one does it in fact, you don't even read precedent message, if you really read what i'm wrinting read type in your next msg "blablabla". It's just a test to see if you read answers or use random responses...
If you've read what i wrote you'll understand that THERE'S NO INTELLIGENCE THAT ORDERS. No space-warehouse sorting god.
TheIceThorn 3 weeks ago
@1tabligh "How is that for YOUR "chocolate burger"?"
Still smells of shit and appears like shit. Try again, you'll be suuuuuuuuuuuuuuurely able to turn it into chocolate someday (suuuuuuurely, believe in it, it will suuuuuuuuuuurely become chocolate)
TheIceThorn 3 weeks ago
@TheIceThorn Views such as these derive directly from a system of thought centered on materialism; within it, everything is defined and delimited with reference to materialism.
To interpret materialism in such a sense is in the final analysis strictly meaningless; it would be a superstitious notion involving the perversion of truth, and to regard it as scientific would, in fact, be *treason* to science.
1tabligh 3 weeks ago
@1tabligh "bla bla bla materialism evil bla bla bla" Sadly for you THIS REALM is the ONLY ONE that exists. You can imagine a snow covered land with purple unicorns how much you want but it won't exists out of your head. With this i don't say "don''t use fantasy, do not write fiction books, comics or anything else" i'm just saying: "don't take a book that's fiction like harry potter, the quiran, the lord of the rings and the bible and think that what's in it really happened.
TheIceThorn 3 weeks ago
@1tabligh no guy gone 'in heaven' riding a horse with a womans head. It's just IDIOT to think it. -.-
TheIceThorn 3 weeks ago
@TheIceThorn Even if the followers of a religious school of thought had no proofs for their claim, to conclude firmly and forcibly that non- being reigns beyond the sensory realm would be a non-scientific choice, based on imagination and speculation.
1tabligh 3 weeks ago
@1tabligh imagination? do you IMAGINE that gravity exists or it exists cause you've proofs of it? are you idiot or what? do you imagine that the sun is a giant burning sphere far away in the space or there are proofs?
religion = IGNORANCE. For the religion gravity have no reason, it's just normal, birds? how the fk they fly? gods magic or simple physics? the sun and the moon? surely there should be a sun chariot that carries it into the sky and the earth is the canter of universe...
TheIceThorn 3 weeks ago
@1tabligh science says that there are non beings reigns cause THERE'S NO FKNG PROOF. Bring me the proof, a piece of heaven, a column or JUST MORE SIMPLY: bring here god, let him appear 6 moons and i'll have no reason to say that gods do not exists ok?
Your imagination is not the reality. Maybe world is much better inside our headd but I live in the one OUTSIDE MY HEAD and i don't mix between two. You do it and that's just mind ill.
TheIceThorn 3 weeks ago
@TheIceThorn Some people try to propagate this *fantasy* in the garb of science and to present their choice as having been dictated by scientific thought. In the final analysis, however, the denial involved in such an assertion is unworthy of science and philosophy, and even *contradicts* empirical logic.
1tabligh 3 weeks ago
@1tabligh "Some people try to propagate this *fantasy* in the garb of science"
Which 'fantasy'? That a strange, perverted and genocide mage that live in the sky exists?
"and to present their choice as having been dictated by scientific thought."
Yeah cause fantasy and science go step by step since science exists... >.>
are you lobotomized or what? >.>
TheIceThorn 3 weeks ago
@TheIceThorn If man, through the application of scientific instruments and criteria, cannot perceive the existence of a thing, he cannot deny its existence simply because it is incompatible with material criteria, unless he disposes of some proof that the thing in question is impossible.
1tabligh 3 weeks ago
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@1tabligh "In the final analysis, however, the denial involved in such an assertion is unworthy of science and philosophy, and even *contradicts* empirical logic."
That's the stupidest ever assertion i've ever read xD
logic =/= mad fantasies about gods, superheroes, ecc... xD
TheIceThorn 3 weeks ago
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@1tabligh "he structure of the kidney itself reveals no trace of a creative intelligence and will, being the product of mere nature—nature which has no more knowledge or awareness than a kindergarten pupil?"
No knowledge is needed. If you toss salt in water it will become salted. You do not need to know it to let it happen, you can simply toss it in for no reason for example. Why nature should know WTF is a kidney? It's fruit of millennia of adaptation and evolution.
TheIceThorn 3 weeks ago
@1tabligh "The atheist Delusion!"
Atheist are atheist cause they're skeptic so they've no delusion. If you've a delusion you're a believer.
Fool.
"How could some of the scientists blablabla let alone the whole universe?"
Cause they've 5 senses and a brain to make instruments capable of analyzing object far as the end of the universe. And they're not leaving it alone, that's an admission of ignorance; we know that the universe have a diameter of 50 trills of light years for example.
TheIceThorn 4 weeks ago
@1tabligh we know eiither that there are a billion of galaxies condensed in supermasses, with billions of solar systems each. We estimate too that we know aprox the 30% of the matter of the universe, the rest is 'dark matter' or 'unknown matter'; go and look for non barjonic matter if you wanna know more; it's quite a complex thing, i don't think you'll be able to understand it ATM.
If you think you've understood quantum physics, you didn't understood quantum physic.
TheIceThorn 4 weeks ago
@TheIceThorn Do scientific discoveries and knowledge cause such a scientist to conclude that matter, *unknowing and unperceiving *, is his creator and that of all beings?
No?
Then how can the duped atheists and some of the scientists delude themselve and *believe* that hydrogen and oxygen, electrons and protons, should first produce themselves, then be the source for all other beings, and finally decree the laws that regulate themselves and the rest of the material world?
1tabligh 3 weeks ago
your arguing with now two people that know the real truth about things so if you do have any questions bout your disbelief i think i can speak for her to we would be happy to answer your questions, i wasn't going to but i thought about it, and its are duty as Christians to do so.
russo1987able 1 month ago
@russo1987able you are retarded
gphhawkins 1 month ago
and if you ask any bible scholar and yes i said scholar, which by know means are you, they would tell you the same thing, because they know there history, it was the church that brain washed people and it still does till this day if not worse now then ever before. i don't know were you get your information or if you create these lies out of thin air but nothing that you say is proven in historic evidence and yes everything that i am saying is just look it up.
russo1987able 1 month ago
@russo1987able God Bless You too! Big Hugs 8)
shyanndreamcatcher 1 month ago
wake up from what exactly?
russo1987able 1 month ago
@russo1987able from the mythology of the bible. from the cult of christianity
gphhawkins 1 month ago
@gphhawkins ''what'' the cult of Christianity listen and listen very well if you did your home work and new you history instead of making up lies about history which you obviously know nothing about you would know the bible was suppressed and dictated to people until the people revolted and took the bible back into there own position, and it wasn't just Christianity it was any one that believed the truth and there were many people and they weren't all christens,
russo1987able 1 month ago
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russo1987able 1 month ago
i just really hope you guys see the light before its to late thing are coming in this world that you people wont be wont be able to comprehend unless they believe what the bible has to say and nothing will be able to protest you but the blood of Jesus, where done with this bickering now you will see soon enough.
russo1987able 2 months ago
@russo1987able #1 can you prove anything is coming? no you cant. #2 jesus isnt real, you cannot prove him #3 um you need to see the truth and stop hiding from it using your fairytales as an excuse. Remember the truth is never pleasant. Ignorance isn't bliss!
gphhawkins 2 months ago
@russo1987able Another one who believes people should burn for no reason hahah. Besides, why the bible and not the Quran? If you believe in Quran and not in the Bible, do you still go to hell? Answer that, you brainless savage
alynwhite 1 month ago
for Satan and the rest of the fallen angels, it wasn't meant for us but Adam and even disobeyed god and we fell just like the angels did when they listened to the lies of Satan if you red the bible like you said you did you would know that. listen we could bicker about this forever get no where because your so stuck on proving me wrong it would be like hitting my head against a brick wall.
russo1987able 2 months ago
@russo1987able you claim i am believing a lie, you claim i need to see the truth but to believe whatever i want even thou you beleive i will burn for no reason.
your god is all knowing. meaning he knows ALL, he knew adam and eve would sin making them eligible to go to hell, yet god creates it still with said knowledge. you fucking retard.
gphhawkins 2 months ago
@gphhawkins wow really nice language an yes i said you can believe what you want even if it is a lie i wasn't trying to get hostile with you. you sent me the videos to give me your opinion knowing that i'm a Christan,, but now i give you an opinion on what i believe and you call me a f>>> ing retard for speaking my mind on a video that was sent to me and you say you have a moral code ''are you serious'', i don't call you an f>>>ing retard about what you believe check your self bro.
russo1987able 2 months ago
@russo1987able well whats worse, telling someone is a retard for a fairy tale belief system, or telling someone that since they dont believe in what they believe they must BURN forever for no reason then disbelief because of no evidence whatsoever.
telling me that since i dont believe like you i must burn is way worse
gphhawkins 2 months ago
@russo1987able I agree with you 100%.. I have done some videos about the fallen angels.. You know seeing videos like this only makes my faith in God stronger, because the Bible says that in the last days, there will be a great rebellion against God, and I bet this guy and a lot like him, was not making videos like this 5 years ago. It like they think believing in Jesus is a new thing, and all of a sudden they are offended, another bible prophecy being fulfilled..God Bless You!
shyanndreamcatcher 1 month ago
@shyanndreamcatcher #1 how does it make your gullibility stronger? #2 im not rebelling agaisnt your non existent god, because i dont believe in him #3 um i wasnt making videos at the time because #1 no computer or webcam #2 i was a believer in god (til i read and studyed to bible of course) and #4 your gods not real
gphhawkins 1 month ago
@gphhawkins You have to read the Bible to find out, you said you have read the Bible right? Then you would know why it makes my faith stronger.. Well, even if you didn't have a webcam or a computer, I really don't think you would have even thought of doing something like this back then. You prob had other things on your mind. I know I am right. Also, you can't be a believer in God at one time in your life time, you didn't know God nor got to know him, and even Satan knows the Bible..
shyanndreamcatcher 1 month ago
@shyanndreamcatcher WOW. Does Satan know the Quran aswell? Damn, this motherfucker reads a lot. GTFO
alynwhite 1 month ago
@alynwhite Satan does know the Bible; he quoted Scripture to Jesus in Luke Chapter 4 and Matthew Chapter 4. Therefore, he knows those future things which God has revealed through His prophets.
shyanndreamcatcher 1 month ago
@shyanndreamcatcher "another bible prophecy being fulfilled" Neah, the writers of the bible knew someday people are gonna start waking up, so they wrote about it so gullible losers like you believe it even more, that's how it is. Besides, these are not the last days you idiot, unless a nuclear war starts we'll live at least another 50 years or more. And if you're eager to go to heaven, why don't you kill yourself?
alynwhite 1 month ago
@alynwhite It seems to me that you know nothing about what is going on in the world, If you did then you know why so many Christians and NON-Christians believe we are living in the last days. I'm not a looser, because I have nothing to loose, and only something to gain. Also committing suicide is a sin, and only lands a person in HELL.. I look forward to when Jesus comes back to earth, because every eye shall see him, even YOU..
shyanndreamcatcher 1 month ago
@shyanndreamcatcher Remember suicide bombers kill themselves because they believe they will go to heaven. That's a lie, because hell doesn't exist. You believe because you're afraid. Admit it. Now let's say I was born in India and I believe in Buddha, and I live my life treating people nice. When I die, I will go to hell because I didn't believe in Jesus. And vice versa. That's the thing with religion, they all say that if you don't believe in ONE of'em, you will go to hell.
alynwhite 1 month ago
@alynwhite I'm not afraid, I have seen Jesus when I was young. He does show himself to people at times. People that fall for religions that tell them to kill them self and others with a bomb is following a religion that Satan tricked them into.. Also I'm not part of a religion, I do not go to a church building to server Jesus.. I am a christian and I'm non-denominational..
shyanndreamcatcher 1 month ago
@shyanndreamcatcher Thought you won't answer so I posted on your channel. Anyway the fact that you do not go to church is good. The church is only after money. And by saying that Satan tricked people into believing in Islam is gonna piss off a lot of people. Besides they could say the same thing about Christianity. Bottom line: Religion is made up.
alynwhite 1 month ago
@alynwhite What you don't understand is when Satan was kicked out of Heaven he took 1/3 of the angels with him. In Gen 6 it talks about the fallen angels. They saw the daughters of men that they were beautiful and picked them out a wife, and they had children that were Giants. The Giants are talked about in the Bible a lot.. They set them self up ( the giants) and some of the fallen angels as Gods. That way they trick people to believe in there lie.
shyanndreamcatcher 1 month ago
@shyanndreamcatcher you cannot prove any of this, the Odyssey says lots of things, does that mean we should believe that book (which is older then the bible btw)
gphhawkins 1 month ago
@gphhawkins Just look up the info on line like I did and you see the proof yourself.. The Hebrew Bible is the oldest Holy Bible, and to top that off they found the Dead Sea Scrolls that date even further back, how awesome is that? WoW
shyanndreamcatcher 1 month ago
@alynwhite This is where we get a lot of our Greek Gods from too.. The Holy Bible is the oldest Book out of all other religious books.. Even older the the Quran, but the Quran is the 2nd oldest.. The Quran even admits that Jesus is real, they just don't have the story about Jesus the same as the oldest book of the Holy Bible..
shyanndreamcatcher 1 month ago
@shyanndreamcatcher I see. And which one's the 3rd holiest? And be aware of the fact that if the muslims are right, you will go to hell
alynwhite 1 month ago
@alynwhite I know with out a doubt I'm right, I read from the Bible that been around a lot longer and the Bible I read from don't tell me to strap on a bomb to go kill people. The Bible I read from says to love everyone..
shyanndreamcatcher 1 month ago
@alynwhite The Dead Sea Scrolls were discovered in eleven caves along the northwest shore of the Dead Sea between the years 1947 and 1956. The area is 13 miles east of Jerusalem and is 1300 feet below sea level. The mostly fragmented texts, are numbered according to the cave that they came out of. They have been called the greatest manuscript discovery of modern times.
shyanndreamcatcher 1 month ago
@alynwhite There are now identified among the scrolls, 19 copies of the Book of Isaiah, 25 copies of Deuteronomy and 30 copies of the Psalms . Prophecies by Ezekiel, Jeremiah and Daniel not found in the Bible are written in the Scrolls. The Isaiah Scroll, found relatively intact, is 1000 years older than any previously known copy of Isaiah. In fact, the scrolls are the oldest group of Old Testament manuscripts ever found.
shyanndreamcatcher 1 month ago
@alynwhite The Dead Sea Scrolls were most likely written by the Essenes during the period from about 200 B.C. to 68 C.E./A.D.
shyanndreamcatcher 1 month ago
@shyanndreamcatcher The way you see Islam, is how the muslims see Christianity. Saying that they got tricked by Satan is just you talking bullshit, because you don't really know. And now read this again: According to Islam, if you believe Jesus as the Son of God you go to hell, and according to Christianity if you believe that Jesus is not the Son of God you go to hell.
So realize now, that either one of 2 facts is true: 1.Religion is made up, or 2. YOU WILL GO TO HELL
alynwhite 1 month ago
@alynwhite I said this more then one time, I read from the Bible that has been around a lot longer then the Quran.. So, I'm not worried.. I know that the Bible I read from is the right one, it was the first one that tells the history during that time, then the Quran came out later, and had to back track into history..
shyanndreamcatcher 1 month ago
@shyanndreamcatcher So Stop hoping, because even if you believe in Jesus, you will go to hell because you don't believe in Allah. See how religion is actually made up? Ofcourse you don't, you blindly believe everything you heard when you were little.
alynwhite 1 month ago
@alynwhite I just told you that the Quran is not as old as the Holy Bible, that come out way later in 632 CE.. They had to back track their Bible too. Because a lot of what is written had already happened..Also a angel came down to give them the book..
shyanndreamcatcher 1 month ago
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@shyanndreamcatcher " Also a angel came down to give them the book.. "
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
alynwhite 1 month ago
@alynwhite Surprising Archaeological has found Proof of Jesus' Existence First it was the name of the Roman governor Pontius Pilate found in a monument in Caesarea, Israel, in 1961 Biblical Archaeology Review revealed that a stone ossuary (bone receptacle) has an inscription reading James son of Joseph, brother of Jesus.” If authentic, this would be the earliest archaeological find that corroborates biblical references to Jesus
shyanndreamcatcher 1 month ago