Unsolved Mysteries - Life After Life - 2 of 2

[ElSpewtardo]

What was the significance of finding Max Plank? They didn't really explain why he was important.

[desertphilip]

Jack up the truck better next time buddy!!

[TheTheKRIT]

@UncleFeedle the fact is simply this what is a rock made of? particles, molecules,and atoms. atoms are 99% open space and the rest energy. now if everything(and I mean everything) its made of atoms which are non living, how can it be possible to have consciousness? science is looking into an endless spectrum is our minds. id everything is vibrating energy them how to we see anything at all. I would go as far as saying consciousness crates the brain not the other way around

[ThrenodyLove]

Cosmicman,you are the man.lol Thank you for posting these and others as well.

[cwood4ever]

8:13 aaaawww this dudes nose has had a near death experience.

[tazzytazz]

I was shot 5 times. Doctor declared me dead. My experience was I was in a very bright place with two beings dressing in white look sort of like angels that were helping me. Next thing I knew I was in a boiling pool with people boiled alive eating each other flesh. All of a sudden I was roaming San Jose, Ca and Fresno State University. Then I heard my dads voice calling me. Now 7 years later I'm here typing this comment. What an experience I tell you folks. Enjoy life while you can!

[jimmytube177]

perhaps he was max plank in his last life

[edfeltch]

Zen as tv show.

[Lousypenguin]

Dude should of used a wicker basket to keep the car up

[sanctusinstitute]

I knew Tom from 1989 till he died a few years ago. Spent a great deal of time with him and managed to talk at length with him. Most of all I was involved as an Army Intelligence Officer an incident he was involved in .. strangely enough I never told him what I knew for it was so classified. Yet that one incident confirmed for me how truthful he was. Tom never lied, and revealed clear evidence of having knowledge he never could have otherwise. He's the real deal!

Major James Waters,USA, Ret

[UwatchinQ]

@sanctusinstitute

hey man, we heard u the 1st time

[UncleFeedle]

About 15 years ago, I attempted astral projection (a myth I now suspect) and experienced a partial NDE. I wouldn't try it again since it involved limiting my oxygen intake. I sensed intense light and breathing seemed to become unnecessary. That my body felt like it was shutting down shocked me back to reality immediately.

Without sufficient oxygen, your brain starts to function in an abnormal way, and I suspect these visions of lights, tunnels etc. are nothing more than the result of that.

[LanaV6]

@UncleFeedle Actually, I have an older brother who does not believe in anything like UFO"S etc. Or practically anything else for that matter. Except one night he was in his room, where he shared it with our older brother. He looked over and saw his spirit come right up and looked right at my older brother. He nearly flipped. Well, as he was looking, The spririt just went back into our older brother. He was a believer after that. And did u ever wake up feeling exhausted? Or wake up with bruises?

[anabolicErik]

@UncleFeedle I have smoked DMT and had an out of body experience, and the experience I had was pretty similar to most of the stories you hear about near death experiences... In addition, there is a video on netflix called moment of death, in which a man is able to recall extraordinary details of a doctor who is operating on him... Therefore, all this info that people are able to talk about after coming back must be more than your brain functioning in an abnormal way due to lack of oxygen.

[UncleFeedle]

@anabolicErik I have read similar reports, but with no controls in place, such anecdotal accounts do not constitute evidence. One idea that has been suggested is to place a random, irrelevant object within the resuscitation room at a location where it is only visible from an elevated position. None of the medical staff are permitted to know what or where it is. Then if following an NDE, the patient reports seeing a yellow toy duck hidden on top of a storage unit, there might be something to it.

[cosmicman01]

@UncleFeedle Except the fact that NDEs occur to people whose brains didn't lack oxygen. And just because your OBE attempt failed doesn't mean it's a myth.

[UncleFeedle]

@cosmicman01 Claims of OBE's and NDE's aren't necessarily true either. I have never yet seen any evidence to indicate that they are anything more than an effect of unusual brain chemistry. It may be the case that limited oxygen is merely one way to trigger it.

[cosmicman01]

@UncleFeedle Evidence:A thing or things helpful in forming a conclusion or judgment; Something indicative, an outward sign.

Thousands of testimonies, some of which are corroborated by witnesses or medical personnel in cases of veridical NDEs where the NDEr can describe an operation or report conversations accurately, constitute evidence. Some people who didn't have anoxia to the brain had an NDE, and most people who do have anoxia don't have an NDE. Your argument just falls flat.

[UncleFeedle]

@cosmicman01 None of these events occurred under any kind of controlled conditions. Anecdotal accounts of this kind do not constitute evidence. If the claim is that is possible for one's consciousness to leave the physical body, until this can be demonstrated under proper observing conditions, the claim must remain unproven to science.

[cosmicman01]

@UncleFeedle I never said that dualism is an undeniable truth, but the evidence suggests it. Seems like you don't know what the word evidence means. Read the definition. Oral statements count as evidence, especially if their number is great. They are accepted in a courtroom. It's irrational to dismiss thousands of testimonies that are very consistent. Plus, your brain chemistry argument is very vague: how exactly does lack of oxygen account for all the features of the NDE ?

[UncleFeedle]

@cosmicman01 We have different standards of evidence. I'm talking about hard, scientific evidence obtained through the scientific method, whereas you're willing to accept anecdotal evidence, which is nowhere near as reliable, no matter who says it or how many diplomas or PhD's they have.

I agree that the subject merits some investigation, but an anecdotal account is not scientific evidence of anything - only results provided through repeatable experiments under controlled conditions.

[cosmicman01]

@UncleFeedle If you don't accept the testimonies as evidence, then you're implying that thousands of NDErs and witnesses are liars or hallucinating. That's an extraordinary claim without any evidence whatsoever.

[UncleFeedle]

@cosmicman01 I am making no claims. I agree that the volume and consistency of reports warrants further study of the subject. Clearly, many people experience something, but we do not know exactly what it is or the cause. If multiple people say "I left my body and floated around", these stories alone are not sufficient proof that such a thing actually occurs, since there are many alternate explanations for what they experienced. What are you claiming these testimonies are evidence of?

[cosmicman01]

@UncleFeedle An indication that the brain and mind are not one and the same thing.

[UncleFeedle]

Well, that's pretty obvious...the brain is an organ and the mind is a function of the brain. We don't need NDE's to tell us this. If by 'mind' you mean a person's consciousness, personality etc. are you saying that this can exist separately from the brain?

[cosmicman01]

@UncleFeedle It's not obvious for some materialists who believe that mental states are identical to brain states. And yes, I think that the NDE is evidence that the mind can exist independently of the body.

[UncleFeedle]

@cosmicman01 A brain state IS a mental state. However, brain state and mind aren't the same thing. The mind encompasses one's personality, behaviour, habits, consciousness, memories etc. A mind can be in a particular state which is measurable, such as delta, which is a state of deep sleep.

To say that the mind (a product of the brain) can exist separately, or even without the brain is a huge claim. For me, mere anecdotal accounts are not sufficient evidence that such a thing can actually occur.

[cosmicman01]

@UncleFeedle A thought or a feeling is not the same thing as a firing of neurons. A brain state can be located and measured, a mental state can't be. The mind as a product of the brain is an unproven assumption. It's never been demonstrated that brain activity gives rise to consciousness. Correlation is not causality. The debate about NDEs is about their causes and nature, it's not about whether the data are anecdotes or not. Even Blackmore doesn't dismiss the accounts because they're anectodes.

[UncleFeedle]

@cosmicman01 "The mind as a product of the brain is an unproven assumption. It's never been demonstrated that brain activity gives rise to consciousness" - there are just as many arguments against dualism as for it, but anyone who can provide hard evidence of a mind without a brain would win the Nobel Prize.

"a mental state can't be" - how are you defining 'mental state'?

I support the investigation of NDE's. But if looking for explanations, anecdotes are NOT sufficient proof of anything.

[DStrike0083]

@UncleFeedle aware study

[JazzyKat2009]

@UncleFeedle the mind cannot exist without the brain, but that which is beyond the mind (beyond thought) exists.

[UncleFeedle]

@JazzyKat2009 What does 'beyond the mind' and 'beyond thought' mean?

[k0smon]

@JazzyKat2009 ::: Where did you get your information about the 'mind'? No one is really sure what the 'mind' is. There is evidence that it does exist apart from the brain because of out of body experiences.

[joemoe23]

@k0smon Research the work of Dr. Thomas Campbell MBT. His username is TWJC44

[lambchopclmt]

just wondering why no one has asked this yet....but what about all of those people (the majority) who almost die, or are declared dead only to be brought back to life who DON'T have a NDE?

[CardinalJunky]

Also, there are theories that say that there is a greater consciousness that binds everyone and everything. And we are consciousness observing itself. When we die, we return to the consciousness. I don't know, but I sure do love listening to this sort of thing!

[Musicman829]

Considering Tom was an agnostic he didnt go to heaven...............liar

[lambchopclmt]

@Musicman829 Well yeah, you are 100% right if you want to believe in a book (bible) written by man.

[TDPUK]

Thanks for the upload.

[CheapJabroni]

"Tom also finally read a book cover 2 cover" What a con artist lookin for a quick buck!

[paulinovalerio]

"tom also wrote letters, like the greek letter-psi" - umm so?

[am1gv]

personally i find comfort in learning about space and the cosmos to give me another theory on death. It could simply be a transition from one form of existence to another and what people 'see' when they have an NDE could be another state of existence unique to them. No one will ever know for sure what will happen until that inevitability of life occurs.

[CardinalJunky]

@am1gv That's sort of my line of thinking. We have all been in the universe in one form or another for billions of years. In some other form, we will be around for billions more. We may not have the consciousness we have now, but there is no doubt that part of us will continue.

[dmhewey]

At the risk of being scoffed at, I will say that I have seen the Other Side, the Beyond, and it is more real than this existence. Those who have the experience will understand this.

[periperigord]

Fascinating! And, yes, most definitely NDEs are genuine experiences of the Other Side. Certainly death is something to look forward to and not to be afraid of but one does have to finish one's 'contract' here on earth first (alas!).

[black4pienus]

romanticising death... BS! I think it's more like soothing to know death isn't something to be scared about, not attraction to death.