Women & Shariah - Dr Nazreen Nawaz (HTB) and J. Bakewell

[bima1979ol]

i love the contain but hate the audio.

[TheTruth8018]

Surely this presenter is a suck up, i always knew islamchannel was a funded by british media coropations

[simran75able]

Muslim women do have a choice >>>Obey Allah, cover up herself not because a man has told her to do so but Allah in the Quran has mentioned (Hijab) and lead a dignified Life and ended up going towards Paradise!! not showing off your body to strangers........because when you get older and you have wrinkles all over then what you gonna show to public??? still got time....watch people what you are doing?? think about it!! this world is not going to last forever!! we all have to return to Allah...

[makaveliinthis786]

Salaam,search 'AHMADIYYA THE TRUTH ABOUT THEIR DECEPTION' and please check my vids. They are about the fraudulent Qadiani cult who hijack Islam. Thanks.

[Itzarella]

I still don't understand why one needs to promote a different law which is flawed, when you already have a sound divorce law which any woman in the UK or any other civilised country has access to.

Maybe her campaign to change laws should be taken to the countries that do not have the proper laws as Dr.Nazreen pointed out in the last minute of this show.

[vjacq88]

Very informative. Cant wait to hear more.

[vjacq88]

Where do they get their demographics from? Its seems as though there speaking from personal experience with the exclusion of their original home land. I do believe that the media do play a large part on how they're viewed. I just don't care for the manipulation of choice under the guise of religion. If it cant be changed to accommodate the masses then I cant follow it. But still they do have some good points.

[Inamedwardian]

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[sumiifucan]

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[ashiquebd]

awesome show may allah bless you girls!

[RiCorr]

I was interested in hearing how the muslim lady would answer Joan Bakewell's question on what happens if a muslim woman wants to leave her religion. This question was shamefully dodged and, unfortunately, the very non-confrontational Joan Bakewell did not pursue the question. Why was this question dodged? Could it have anything to do with the fact that apostacy in muslim controlled countries is punishable by death?

[salema958]

What I ask myself all the time . why these people don't stay at their home country. I personally don't care if they're civilized or not. or they want to cover their hair or not. as long as they stay away from our countries. There's an invasion of theses peiople here in europe . we never invited them to come here.Just stay where you are. Keep praying your god 5 times a day . and cover your head , your body and do whatever you want. who cares?

[Malcolmxamine1]

@salema958

It's their country as well, get used to it !

[zulfitareen]

i totally agree with your comment on video "women and sharia".

bless your heart.

you made my day.

[freeman1104]

Why aren't you in burga?

[slikyo]

I think you'll find it is you who's a dellusional man believing in the ape man myth for which there is no evidence just sketches in books. Pure fiction which you have been delluded by. Look around at the birds in flight the fish in the sea the tiniest insect with it's own brain to the human being. You think all these complex beings got here by chance. They were created. You have fallen for the biggest dellusion of all which is evolution theory. It's called a theory it's never been proven.

[7410n0]

Lulz, creationist fool. You make the most basic of mistakes. A scientific theory is much different from the colloquial word "theory." A scientific theory is a model which describes a process of nature and has been supported by A LOT of experimentation. Evolution is supported by verified by experiments and knowledge from genetics, biogeography, molecular biology, paleontology, comparative biology, comparative embryology, and more.

[mithrandir0returns]

dude dont say fool its a discussion... kay so u just said "has been supported by A LOT of experimentation." but u havent mentioned the missing link the biggest flaw in Darwin's theory

[7410n0]

1. No one uses Darwin's theory. We use a modern synthesis of data from many different field of science to form the Modern Theory of Evolution. 2. There is no missing link in the modern theory of evolution. That's all media hype.

3. It's not discussion if all you do is dismiss claims without any type of valid argument.

[basiraashley]

This woman J. Blackwell keeps asking....who has decided this and who has decided that....Allah has decided. She thinks that men make up Islam. We follow and accept because the laws are from Allah swt.

[ahmedhusseinny]

basiraashley:

Sorry but Allah (swt) NEVER said that. Basically the Qu'ran and Hadeeths are just ancient works which DO NOT APPLY today AT ALL. Mohammad was delusional in whatever he said and did.

Ask yourself this, Mohammad was a man, what was so special about him for Allah to speak to him via Gibrael and not speak to you or me? All bogus!!!

Long story short, Religion is ONLY about being good in a democratic fashion.

[Maakongo]

Islamic law does fully apply to today's world, and Muhammad was special in all possible matters.

"let's build tolerance by knowledge, not insulting one another."

peace...

[ahmedhusseinny]

Yeah yeah, your words against the 5 billion non-Muslims.

Trust your instincts and commonsense. Mohammad was indeed a delusional man who managed to create a fan following which is today's Islam.

[Maakongo]

I do, that's why I came to Islam...

any one can make a claim, but what matters is proof, and Islam is based on it.

[ahmedhusseinny]

Maakongo:

More power to you. What can I say, suit yourself.

I am Muslim myself but a NON PRACTICING one but I do not have any respect whatsoever for all the crap being dished out in the name of God.

[ahmedhusseinny]

Maakongo :

There is only Allah, and I believe in him.

No Five Pillars, No Shahadah and nothing of that for me. Don't believe in all that man-made crap.

Don't believe in reciting the Shahadah crap like a Cuckatoo everyday.

Please don't go reciting verses of the Qu'ran to me, have read it. Not interested.

[Maakongo]

if u don't believe in the Sunnah or whatever else, then you need to realize that the obligation of following the 5 pillars and all other commandments are based on the Quran!

secondly;

Allah defines Himself clearly in the Quran and Sunna, so if u don't believe in the Quran and Sunna, then how do you know who Allah really is???? u can't.

but if you believe in the descriptions of Allah in Quran (at least), then it is not reasonable for u to deny the rest of the Quran.

remember ur purpose of life.

[ahmedhusseinny]

Maakongo:

Please excuse me, do not have too much time for so much BS.

Five Pillars have no basis in the Quran. Besides, the hadiths were written by humans and I choose to think that they were retarded beings. Is that a problem?

[Maakongo]

the obligation to testify and to believe that Allah(One True God) is the only one worthy of worship and that Prophet Muhammad is His Last Messenger, to pray, to fast, give charity, and to go on pilgrimage. - all those pillars are clearly mention in the Quran; not in one single ayat (verse), but in many different palaces and verses.

and the Quran clearly states that we must follow and obey Allah AND His Prophet.

and how do you worship Allah without accepting the way of worship of His Prophet?

[ahmedhusseinny]

Maakongo:

Please indicate the Sura/Verse where it talks about the 5 pillars.

[fazzamin]

Kamz, dont be a tool; comment deleted :)

[snabbkurs]

bla bla bla ! Shaaria law is barbaric inhuman directives that has been practiced by people in middle east before Abraham, Judaism, Christianity and Islam came to Middle east! Shaaria law is an Arabic methods of acting ruthless to humankind! Bloody idiots doctors who get paid of those fatty Saudi missionaries!

[fuckmohammad]

it would be great to see who pays the salary of this pretty anchor woman

[mzjazz37]

Bottom line -

Western people do NOT want Islamic values forced on us. If people want to live under sharia, then they need to live in countries where this is practiced.

Don't come to the West insisting on sharia laws here. You have the right to live here and worship, only as far as it does not impose on others. That is part of our value system and our law in the West.

Live with it or leave.

[fahtimahh]

if the west leave eastern countries we wont tell u anything

[Historicalia]

I think that we hear broken records of how Saudi and Iran are 'Islamic states' implementing the sharia that is called for by groups. Simply put they are not Islamic states, they are a Persian state and an Arab state using Islam when they want it and not using it as they see fit. Any objective study of the two states would prove this beyond doubt.

[473specop]

I remember in Turkey all the women working hard in the fields while all the men were sat on their fat arse's drinking coffee and playing board games [forgot the name of it]

[presopres]

Yeah, pretty funny that these muslim women living in the West claim that "properly implemented", this system will liberate women worldwide.

[misstuhin]

islamic law is not being applied as it should be in the muslim countries. we need an islamic state with only one system where the devine rules are properly implemented. please brothers and sisters, try to keep allah's law only and discard the western values. we should try to see islam as a whole rather then judging an individual rule as sister nasreen says.

[presopres]

posted by lalala1111 4 days ago:

"what the heck is 'western (values)', i find it amusing people use words like 'western' to create some sort of separate identity when there isn't any. the 'west' whatever that means is just as diverse as anywhere else in the world."

Huh? Can't you guys get your talking points together?

[misstuhin]

wstrn values and islamic values:these are the two ideologies only surviving in the world now.one is here to protect the rights of an individual and another to protect the whole society. there is not a single islamic country present in the world now,i can't show you an example. exactly like terrorism,muslims everywhere now misapplying the shariya.shariya says all muslims should be united under one government;this is the head rule of the shariya.

[Ahlam1981]

western values are the offspring of the western intellectual heritage. For the most part this is a greco-roman system. In fact most of western institutions of learning, finance and politics have greco-roman origins. That is not to say that, as with all things, the lines can't get blury. Turkey and many parts of eur-asia being prime examples of this. But yes, there are "western" values.

[presopres]

Yes, and these are precisely the values that misstuhin wants to discard in favor of worldwide system of sharia as practiced (properly implemented) in Saudi Arabia, presumably.

[Jingoistic69]

I am not quite sure that Saudi Arabia has properly implemented sharia practiced although they appear to have some of the attributes.

[muhterem]

Selamaleikum,

Jazakallah Khair.

[LiliDD]

Thanks presopres, good to get some support here. Isn't it interesting that we are using polite language, no ad hominem attacks, giving our opponents here the benefit of the doubt and using logical arguments. As you say, it's the *facts* that count, and islamists can't stand it when the west starts knowing the facts.

[aamirkarim]

here r some facts; gays gave birth to AIDS; becz of wich billions r suffering from it; mentally as well as physically; if someone is suffering from a disease that threatens entire mankind; is incurable; what should be done; yes such threats should be removed from society and executed; so that saudi remains an AIDS free country; so children innocent ppl do not get it thru blood transfusion

[presopres]

In December 2007, the Saudi English-language daily Arab News published an op-ed by Dania Al-Ghalib titled "The Saudi Woman is Always Guilty." In it, the author describes the condition of the Saudi woman, depicting her as born unwanted and held accountable for everything that happens to her in life - even though she is always the chattel of a man and has no control over anything.

Question: Is Dania Al-Ghalib a 'liar'?

[aamirkarim]

she was sentenced becz despite being married to someone else she chose t go out with this man who she was not related to and put herself in a situation; where she could be taken advantage of; in short she behaved like a western women who like to flirt with many; she should v divorced and married anyone of her choice; sadly crstnty dosnt allows divorse

[presopres]

You are changing the subject. What do you find desirable about the system in Sharia:

"The Saudi woman is guilty. She is guilty of being born in a male-dominated society. Her fault is that she grows up in a society that stigmatizes her sex as a sin. She is held accountable because society believes she is underage - even if she is in her 60s -and implements a guardianship system over her as if she were a second-class citizen"

[aamirkarim]

am i changn subjct or r u findin it difficult to handle; sharia recognises women as equal to a male; it is bible that says women have to bear child for a sin; children too rnt spared; they have the original sin.its evangelist who were discusing whether a woman has a soul or if she has is it like that of a dog; bible encourages slavery; i can go on; there is no space

[presopres]

If sharia recognizes women as equal to a male, then why does the Saudi Daily Arab News contain the following in an op-ed:

"It is very common for a Saudi woman - a widow or a divorcee - to have her young son as her guardian, and she needs his written permission to carry out official paperwork. He is in control of her life and her destiny."

That doesn't sound like equality to me.

[Jingoistic69]

Equality can be seen two different context in this particular debate one that is define from Secularism and the other from the devine rules. Your question dear presopres can only be answered once you have clarified which one of these context you put your case forward?

[presopres]

aamirkarim: You seem fascinated with the word 'liar'.

But calling someone a liar doesn't address the FACTS that they are bringing to your attention, does it? Either you are woefully ignorant of the status of women in Sharia dominated societies, or you just don't want Western people to know the TRUTH.

[aamirkarim]

i m not fascinated with it but i cant help calling a liar a liar; what do u want me to do call a dog a cat; say 1+1+1=1 like u crstns; holy ghost; christ; god = 1?? i dont even need an explanation from u on this; u can go and give it to ur crstn brethren who r leaving crstnty; becz it makes no sense to em

[lalalala1111]

what the heck is 'western people', i find it amusing people use words like 'western' to create some sort of separate identity when there isn't any. the 'west' whatever that means is just as diverse as anywhere else in the world.

[presopres]

la-la, by Western, in this case, I mean 'non-muslim'. I am referring to your tendancy to deny or sugar-coat areas of Islam that you know would be offensive to non-muslims(such as institutionally sanctioned wife-abuse or the disparity in rights between Muslim men and women) in order to continue to propogate Islam as a 'religion of peace'.

[presopres]

fazzamin, why did you call LilyDD an anti Islam bigot? Did her giving you the benefit of the doubt by assuming that you are a 'moderate muslim' insult you?

You know very well that a woman can be beaten by her husband or stoned to death under Sharia. You know that if she is raped, she will likely be sentenced to be lashed, since her testimony is worth only one-fourth that of a man's under Sharia law.

Is this the 'totality of Islam' that you embrace?

[aamirkarim]

liar; so electric chair; hanging till death; lethal injections ring a bell inside ur head; an islamic society has the least crimes and is the most peaceful and flourishing society in the world; under the sharia a women can be beaten lightly; so that she may not be hurt; to express anger; man is the leader of family; ur rape comment is a lie

[LiliDD]

Oh, what about non-religious people, or people not of 'the book' (ie. not muslim, christian or jewish)?

Death. Other religions and atheism are not permitted in islam.

[aamirkarim]

liar

[LiliDD]

Koran 8:12

Remember Thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the believers, I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, Smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger tips of them."

[fazzamin]

Stop being stupid liliDD, stop quoting verses out of context and thinking you know islam inside out. Fool

[LiliDD]

The west is starting to know islam better than you would like. We're starting to see how koran and hadiths are used as an 'excuse' for violence. It doesn't even matter whether you agree, you might be a nice, moderate muslim. But the violence-inspiring verses are there, you can't deny it.

[fazzamin]

im not a moderate muslim; there is no "moderatism" in islam; i believe in every fundamental of islam and will till the day i die. i dont hide behind moderatism; its a facade and i agree. I believe in the totality of islam; its a peaceful religion as far as the time calls for it, but is not absolutely peaceful when attacked and desecrated; there are limits for everything. however, its not as you make out either, for you are anti-islam bigot.

[LiliDD]

Sure, if it's 'bigotry' to want to live in a secular democracy as a free woman, to have equal rights with men and wear what I'm comfortable in, to know that my gay friends are safe, to live in a country where muslims who want to leave islam can do so safely.

Call that bigotry? Funny, I'd call it bigotry to force non-muslims to live as dhimmis, to not allow women equal rights with men, to execute gays and stone adulterers... But I guess that's just my prejudice.

[LiliDD]

BTW Fazzamin, thanks for replying - it's great to have these conversations so publicly. The more awareness about the threat of islamism, the better.

Fascinating that *you*, not I said that moderatism is 'a facade'. I've never taken that stance myself, hoping that moderate muslims who wanted to reform the religion did exist. It would be sad indeed if all wanted sharia and oppression of non-muslims.

[aamirkarim]

and whats the great act of violence muslims are involved in? u mean the WMD's; or 9-11 inside job; learn something child; lying dosnt puts u in good light u know

[LiliDD]

Oh dear. Well, what if they wanted to just be a christian or jew?

Second-class citizen life as a dhimmi.

[LiliDD]

Oh, what if they wanted to leave islam?

Death for apostasy.

[LiliDD]

What if they had a premarital relationship?

100 lashes.

[LiliDD]

Q: what if in an islamic community someone want more freedom, doesn't accept the islamic values? (e.g. a gay relationship)

Correct answer: death by stoning.

These two islamic women enjoy all the freedoms of the west. If they want sharia law, they should live in Iran or Saudi Arabia. Simple.

[MarocMoro007]

thanks for sharing may allah give you and yor family good health thank you masallah

[IPKhalifa]

Once they go beyond self..gates to jannah r under ????????

DO

[IPKhalifa]

Once they go beyond Self..gates to Jannah is under ????????

DO

[snazztec]

Salam bro, Jzk so much for taping n sharing with everyone. what software are you using to tape live feeds? would help me record stuff aswell so any help appreciated.

ws

[hhdr3ams]

thx 4 sharing this

[ASA753]

I am a revert, Alhumdullila and it is clear that J Bakwell clearly has little understanding about Islam.

Islam gave women their rights over 1400 yrs ago legislated in the Quran women in the west are still struggling for their rights today!

[fazzamin]

no problem. do spread the word!

[cooolway]

Thanks man, love your videos.

BTW, how did you get 46 minutes video, I want to upload an 11 minute video but I can't.

[fazzamin]

brother i have a special account which i got two years ago, accounts which allowed more than 10 mins uploading. youtube no longer allows these types of accounts

alhamdulillah i got in in the nick of time!

[spiritlite]

SalaamAlaikum, Thanks for the video, JAZAKALLAH KHAIR.

[fazzamin]

wa iyyakum;

please do spread the word insha allah :)

JZK khair and may allah reward this sister!