ok, Creationism was silenced in public school. I am a Christian, believe in creation science, and I went to a public school and had to be taught evolution because religion is not allowed in schools. so how is pushing back to get our voice back taking away your freedom of speech? You want people to be against creationism most likely because you feel someone tried to force it on you. Look, you have your beliefs and everyone else has theres. why can't you leave it at that?
I know this is very late, but it is very important to understand the 10 commandments only apply to other Christians. Early Church fathers even stated that it's not a sin to lie in order to help the church or to lie to so-called "Heathens"!
This is just another example of CSE and their ilk's inability to play fair. They know, deep down inside, that they stand on wobbly legs and cannot tolerate the calm, dignified voice of reason of Extant Dodo and similar contributors to YouTube. I, too, declare shenanigans !
Gah, CKtheFAT ! How unfortunate the acronym of your illustrious chosen major is the same as the 'creationist ministry' of Kent Hovind and his gang of scientific retards.
And the funny thing is, Hitler did exactly what the creationists are doing today. He perverted science in order to fit his own religious beliefs. And lets not forget, Hitler was a christion and not a scientists in any way.
"And lets not forget, Hitler was a Christian and not a scientist in any way."
In spite of being born into a Christian family, and acknowledging the power religion had over the masses, Hitler himself was not Christian, he was agnostic. He appeared to believe in fate, but not much else supernatural.
Religion can be justly blamed for many things, but Hitler isn't one of them.
Now, the Catholic Church's initial support of the Nazi's regime... That's a whole other can of worms.
Christianity from it's inception as a state religion has always done anything and everything to silence opposition. This is nothing new. But now with the internet and readily accessible information they will not be able to continue as they once had. And that is a great thing! On to Shenanigans!
Damn, we forgot to consider that part when making up that name...Wait, you mean that you have never heard of the "E double D S double A F S C"? Everybody who is anybody knows about the "E double D S double A F S C".
Sent a lengthy email to all the groups suggested. National Center for Science Education are aware of the problem so it may not be worth any more people emailing them regarding this as they say they can't really help which I suppose is fair enough. I sent an additional email to the (British) National Secular Society and they said they would keep an eye on the situation (I'm hoping they might feature it as one of their news stories to raise awareness)
I have noticed the videos taken down and would like to point out one thing: in practically every video of his, Hovind states 'these are non-copyrighted, so use them' and now the videos are being pulled OVER A COPYRIGHT CLAIM!!!??? Creationists just hit a new low in my book, they really are scared of the truth, technically speaking they should not be allowed to pull the videos off Youtube (I'm studying Media/Film currently, I know the rules).
Actually they got a copyright in 2005 saying that you can still copy and distribute, but it has to be unedited. Fuckin' hypocrites. No matter. Extant's vids fit all 4 requirements for fair use.
Nope, not that I'm aware of. I checked and I just get the same old 'NON-COPYRIGHTED' crap. A person(s)involved with creationism have once again violated the law. Doing a thing like this in the media industry can get you fired almost immediately (or heavily sued, either way you don't get off lightly).
yea but this is a private web site with there own rules that every one must agree too to play on youtube the only thing they would realy understand is mass exudus from the site.
dunno that its going to make any difference to the american peoples to have this aired inthe uk radio stations but we have a few good current DJ'S who might just offer it up for topic of the day.. so i wrote a few .. see if it awakens any more actions. or just makes people aware.
1. Where is the link to the Hovind press on our homepage that actually got this story known in the first place? RATIONALRESPONDERS DOT COM (the group that got the controversy out there)
2. Where is your counter suit that you'd easily win? We hear you wont file, if this is so, I declare Shenanigans!
"Where is the link to the Hovind press on our homepage that actually got this story known in the first place?"
As this video is focussed on informing groups unaware of the current state of events, having people send emails to you seemed rather moot. Since you asked, we will add a link in the description.
"(the group that got the controversy out there)"
This is not a game. The presentation of a united response is needed if national groups are to take notice.
"This is not a game. The presentation of a united response is needed if national groups are to take notice."
I agree which is why we were flabbergasted that you had not linked us. We've spent countless hours on the phone with heads of national orgs, the press, the feds, and more that we can't talk about. We had everyone united, with the exception of your team. Seems we're good now. My apologies, and well wishes.
"Where is your counter suit that you'd easily win?"
We have not been sued; therefore, there can be no counter suit.
"We hear you wont file, if this is so, I declare Shenanigans!"
We receive many threats of violence against ourselves and, more importantly, our families. Since when has choosing to protect others been considered malfeasance? Three amateur videos exposing known charlatans are not worth exposing our families to threats from self-deluded fanatics.
No, we receive a lot of hate mail from their followers. Threats of violence are liberally sprinkled throughout.
"what happened?"
We filter our email which removes most of the hate mail and threats. Any threats which make it pass our filter get forwarded to the sender's ISP's abuse email address if they are foolish enough to send the email with their IP in the headers. Most of the threats now come from Yahoo and Hotmail accounts
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As many death threats as I get I have yet to get one from a Hovind follower. Sometimes it feels like we get about one per day. It is specifically because people have to fear speaking up, that you should. Be a hero, don't be scared.
"We have not been sued; therefore, there can be no counter suit."
You must counter file with youtube the DMCA notice. And other men have stepped up who are willing to sue, so don't worry about that at this point. The Hovinds have had enough.
We should get this to the top of the YouTube lists. Rate, favorite, comment! Hey ExtantDodo, maybe you should include some information in the description to illuminate what has happened for those who don't know.
But if it got to the top, wouldn't it be most likely pulled for using South Park clips? While I enjoy the ED evolution vids, I'm not sure that this is the best way to defend the position that you don't use copyrighted material...
"While I enjoy the ED evolution vids, I'm not sure that this is the best way to defend the position that you don't use copyrighted material..."
Perhaps, you should watch the video a second time or read the video description; you appear to have missed the point. Additionally, our use of material meets all four qualifications of fair use.
Creation Science Evangelism, they've been issuing false DMCA's against videos bebunking their (currently incarcerated) spokesman Kent Hovind. SHENANIGANS!!
Why does this remind me of the scene in life of Brian where they are sitting in the Colosseum and talking about all the different splinter groups they had created?
"Under the fair use doctrine of the U.S. copyright statute, it is permissible to use limited portions of a work including quotes, for purposes such as commentary, criticism, news reporting, and scholarly reports. There are no legal rules permitting the use of a specific number of words, a certain number of musical notes, or percentage of a work. Whether a particular use qualifies as fair use depends on all the circumstances."
ok, Creationism was silenced in public school. I am a Christian, believe in creation science, and I went to a public school and had to be taught evolution because religion is not allowed in schools. so how is pushing back to get our voice back taking away your freedom of speech? You want people to be against creationism most likely because you feel someone tried to force it on you. Look, you have your beliefs and everyone else has theres. why can't you leave it at that?
PiumRafa1 1 year ago
Fuck humans are stupid. George Carlin was spot on.
FeelOfFriction 2 years ago
shenanigens!!! :D
bobslate87 2 years ago
"Thou shalt not bear false witness"
just in case CSE forgot that one
PreparationH67 3 years ago 8
I know this is very late, but it is very important to understand the 10 commandments only apply to other Christians. Early Church fathers even stated that it's not a sin to lie in order to help the church or to lie to so-called "Heathens"!
jaymthegenius 2 years ago
Moooo
zenguin13 3 years ago
rabble rabble rabble.
Rsd79 3 years ago
What did they have to say about the material being non copyrighted?
TheBigGameHunter1 3 years ago
rabel rabel rabel rabel
SoGoDDamNeDLouD 4 years ago
It's 'rabble'.
georg1984 4 years ago 2
LOL, you were very careful about your spelling, punctuation and grammer in your correction comment, werent you?
mhale71 3 years ago
Always ;)
georg1984 3 years ago
Hey! I called shenanigans first!
CadicusTheDamned 4 years ago
This is just another example of CSE and their ilk's inability to play fair. They know, deep down inside, that they stand on wobbly legs and cannot tolerate the calm, dignified voice of reason of Extant Dodo and similar contributors to YouTube. I, too, declare shenanigans !
Turandot29 4 years ago 3
Hey, I'm a CSE major!
Which stands for Computer Science and Engineering, and has absolutely nothing to do with creation "science."
CKtheFat 3 years ago
Gah, CKtheFAT ! How unfortunate the acronym of your illustrious chosen major is the same as the 'creationist ministry' of Kent Hovind and his gang of scientific retards.
Turandot29 3 years ago
Er... um... uh...
YOU'RE A NAZI!!!!!
XD
CKtheFat 3 years ago
A NAZI ??!! How am I a Nazi ???!!
Turandot29 3 years ago
I was making fun of the creationist "If you believe in evolution you believe in Hitler" arguement. :P
CKtheFat 3 years ago 8
And the funny thing is, Hitler did exactly what the creationists are doing today. He perverted science in order to fit his own religious beliefs. And lets not forget, Hitler was a christion and not a scientists in any way.
Poor science.
bluepenguins2709 3 years ago 8
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@bluepenguins2709
"And lets not forget, Hitler was a Christian and not a scientist in any way."
In spite of being born into a Christian family, and acknowledging the power religion had over the masses, Hitler himself was not Christian, he was agnostic. He appeared to believe in fate, but not much else supernatural.
Religion can be justly blamed for many things, but Hitler isn't one of them.
Now, the Catholic Church's initial support of the Nazi's regime... That's a whole other can of worms.
DJamesBrett 1 year ago
it makes you a nazi because you are attacking one belief. hitler did the same thing to the Jews.
PiumRafa1 1 year ago
you are such a misogynist!
smartersean 3 years ago
Bite me.
Turandot29 3 years ago
Rabble rabble rabble rabble rabble!
ddrddrddrddr 4 years ago 3
what is pogrom?
Jeffrywith1e 4 years ago
*featured*
Billy7766 4 years ago 2
I am declaring shenanigans!
Jornev 4 years ago
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Whats CSE. This seems like a good cause, I just want more info on it.
toastknight 4 years ago
Christianity from it's inception as a state religion has always done anything and everything to silence opposition. This is nothing new. But now with the internet and readily accessible information they will not be able to continue as they once had. And that is a great thing! On to Shenanigans!
MagnaBipolar 4 years ago 2
OH no I forgot my broom!!!!
BadDayRaising 4 years ago
get a mop!
Christ724 4 years ago
Fived, faved and e-mails going out. Power to the people!
phenixwryter 4 years ago 4
5 stars, faved & my support.
lazydawgxx 4 years ago
Go Dodo!!!! Shenanigans on them all!!!
metaknight419 4 years ago
SHENANIGANS!!!
alienjesus2012 4 years ago
Bye, bye Eric. Tell Kent he won't be missed.
g12er 4 years ago
So how exactly does one pronounce EDDSAAFSC? :)
The Hovind group can push my buttons almost as fast as my ex can.
jufulu 4 years ago
"So how exactly does one pronounce EDDSAAFSC? "
Damn, we forgot to consider that part when making up that name...Wait, you mean that you have never heard of the "E double D S double A F S C"? Everybody who is anybody knows about the "E double D S double A F S C".
ExtantDodo 4 years ago
can you put your video's up on other video sharing sites?
soulinite 4 years ago
Thank you extant, once again you are the clearest voice of reason on youtube.
soulinite 4 years ago
Sent a lengthy email to all the groups suggested. National Center for Science Education are aware of the problem so it may not be worth any more people emailing them regarding this as they say they can't really help which I suppose is fair enough. I sent an additional email to the (British) National Secular Society and they said they would keep an eye on the situation (I'm hoping they might feature it as one of their news stories to raise awareness)
dann54321 4 years ago
They told me they don't know copyright law enough, so they're staying out
rowsdowersavesus 4 years ago
I have noticed the videos taken down and would like to point out one thing: in practically every video of his, Hovind states 'these are non-copyrighted, so use them' and now the videos are being pulled OVER A COPYRIGHT CLAIM!!!??? Creationists just hit a new low in my book, they really are scared of the truth, technically speaking they should not be allowed to pull the videos off Youtube (I'm studying Media/Film currently, I know the rules).
So yes, SHENANIGANS, YOU LYING RELIGIOUS TRASH.
Clifftothemax 4 years ago
Actually they got a copyright in 2005 saying that you can still copy and distribute, but it has to be unedited. Fuckin' hypocrites. No matter. Extant's vids fit all 4 requirements for fair use.
BalmungSama0 4 years ago
I don't think they actually got a copyright for anything in 2005.
RationalResponse 4 years ago
Nope, not that I'm aware of. I checked and I just get the same old 'NON-COPYRIGHTED' crap. A person(s)involved with creationism have once again violated the law. Doing a thing like this in the media industry can get you fired almost immediately (or heavily sued, either way you don't get off lightly).
Clifftothemax 4 years ago
"rabble rabble" we dont know wat to do extant dodo lol
aldunamesaretaken 4 years ago
yea but this is a private web site with there own rules that every one must agree too to play on youtube the only thing they would realy understand is mass exudus from the site.
lllllSeanlllll 4 years ago
dunno that its going to make any difference to the american peoples to have this aired inthe uk radio stations but we have a few good current DJ'S who might just offer it up for topic of the day.. so i wrote a few .. see if it awakens any more actions. or just makes people aware.
oliesbw 4 years ago
What's this all about? Who did what now? Am I just supposed to know what's going on?
affablevagrant 4 years ago
"What's this all about?"
The abuse of federal law in an attempt to silence critics.
"Who did what now?"
Creation Science Evangelism has attacked everyone's right to free speech.
"Am I just supposed to know what's going on?"
Yes.
ExtantDodo 4 years ago
1. Where is the link to the Hovind press on our homepage that actually got this story known in the first place? RATIONALRESPONDERS DOT COM (the group that got the controversy out there)
2. Where is your counter suit that you'd easily win? We hear you wont file, if this is so, I declare Shenanigans!
BlasphemyChallenge 4 years ago
"Where is the link to the Hovind press on our homepage that actually got this story known in the first place?"
As this video is focussed on informing groups unaware of the current state of events, having people send emails to you seemed rather moot. Since you asked, we will add a link in the description.
"(the group that got the controversy out there)"
This is not a game. The presentation of a united response is needed if national groups are to take notice.
ExtantDodo 4 years ago
"This is not a game. The presentation of a united response is needed if national groups are to take notice."
I agree which is why we were flabbergasted that you had not linked us. We've spent countless hours on the phone with heads of national orgs, the press, the feds, and more that we can't talk about. We had everyone united, with the exception of your team. Seems we're good now. My apologies, and well wishes.
RationalResponse 4 years ago
"Where is your counter suit that you'd easily win?"
We have not been sued; therefore, there can be no counter suit.
"We hear you wont file, if this is so, I declare Shenanigans!"
We receive many threats of violence against ourselves and, more importantly, our families. Since when has choosing to protect others been considered malfeasance? Three amateur videos exposing known charlatans are not worth exposing our families to threats from self-deluded fanatics.
ExtantDodo 4 years ago
CSE actually threatened your lives? what happened?
soulinite 4 years ago
"CSE actually threatened your lives?"
No, we receive a lot of hate mail from their followers. Threats of violence are liberally sprinkled throughout.
"what happened?"
We filter our email which removes most of the hate mail and threats. Any threats which make it pass our filter get forwarded to the sender's ISP's abuse email address if they are foolish enough to send the email with their IP in the headers. Most of the threats now come from Yahoo and Hotmail accounts
ExtantDodo 4 years ago
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As many death threats as I get I have yet to get one from a Hovind follower. Sometimes it feels like we get about one per day. It is specifically because people have to fear speaking up, that you should. Be a hero, don't be scared.
RationalResponse 4 years ago
I have my hotmail account set to full headers and it doesn't miss anything as far as I can tell. Try that.
mystykit 4 years ago
"We have not been sued; therefore, there can be no counter suit."
You must counter file with youtube the DMCA notice. And other men have stepped up who are willing to sue, so don't worry about that at this point. The Hovinds have had enough.
RationalResponse 4 years ago
Good stuff.
g12er 4 years ago
Grabbing a broom!
takotheoktopus 4 years ago 2
Might I suggest making this a response to one of RabidAp3's videos, to help get the word out.
NermalsChannel 4 years ago 2
Hey dudes, heard your letter read on the Skeptics Guide. Time to take this to the next level.
Twackius 4 years ago 2
Sent a long as fuck letter to each. We'll get 'em.
rowsdowersavesus 4 years ago 2
Yes! I am in favor of this. Shenanigans to the highest degree.
ClearCamoflauge 4 years ago
Bravo!!
kublakhan1816 4 years ago
Shenanigans!
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Thunderf00t 4 years ago 3
I posted this on the IAM blog and I am writing emails to said organizations
Let's make the CSE regret trying to take away our right to freedom of speech!
Christ724 4 years ago 2
We should get this to the top of the YouTube lists. Rate, favorite, comment! Hey ExtantDodo, maybe you should include some information in the description to illuminate what has happened for those who don't know.
JohnPseudonym 4 years ago
But if it got to the top, wouldn't it be most likely pulled for using South Park clips? While I enjoy the ED evolution vids, I'm not sure that this is the best way to defend the position that you don't use copyrighted material...
Erdrickgr 4 years ago
"While I enjoy the ED evolution vids, I'm not sure that this is the best way to defend the position that you don't use copyrighted material..."
Perhaps, you should watch the video a second time or read the video description; you appear to have missed the point. Additionally, our use of material meets all four qualifications of fair use.
ExtantDodo 4 years ago
5 starred, favorited. I'd encourage everyone to do the same, get this into the public eye.
JohnPseudonym 4 years ago 2
What is the CSE?
ShrikeofHyperion 4 years ago
Creation Science Evangelism, they've been issuing false DMCA's against videos bebunking their (currently incarcerated) spokesman Kent Hovind. SHENANIGANS!!
JohnPseudonym 4 years ago 4
I heard you on the Skeptic's Guide to the Universe Podcast!!! Keep it up guys great job!!
KT45 4 years ago 2
Shenanigans!
That was soooo funny. And also it was a very good message.
dfarmer1584 4 years ago 2
Why does this remind me of the scene in life of Brian where they are sitting in the Colosseum and talking about all the different splinter groups they had created?
rd1999 4 years ago 2
I'm gonna call the US Copyright office tommorow. I suggest you all do the same.
BalmungSama0 4 years ago 2
I'm posting this on the WWGHA forum as well as my own blog. There is a link to my blog in my videos if anyone wants to view it.
Ryansarcade9 4 years ago 2
South Park is teh shit!
CSE is bullshit. This is what the US Copyright office says on how you can use copy-written material:
BalmungSama0 4 years ago
"Under the fair use doctrine of the U.S. copyright statute, it is permissible to use limited portions of a work including quotes, for purposes such as commentary, criticism, news reporting, and scholarly reports. There are no legal rules permitting the use of a specific number of words, a certain number of musical notes, or percentage of a work. Whether a particular use qualifies as fair use depends on all the circumstances."
BalmungSama0 4 years ago 3
So clearly, ExtantDodo's critical analysis videos fall under this, and are thus perfectly legal.
BalmungSama0 4 years ago 4
Rabble Rabble Rabble Rabble!!!11
jscience 4 years ago 2
Rabble! *runs to find broom*
dragon2wolf 4 years ago 3
I'm gonna go get my broom!
jeremebp 4 years ago 7