Gao style as in Gao Ziying -> Gao Jiwu is a branch of Liang style from Guo Gumin (Liang Zhenpu's top disciple). Guo Gumin also learned from bagua "uncles" like Liu Dekuan, from where the 64 hands came from. Like Bill said, Guo Gumin wrote that Liu created the set to teach Chinese military.
Well, I'm just starting to learn Liang Style, but from I know Liang Zhenpu incorporated things he learned from both Yin Fu and Cheng Tinghua (which is where Gao derives from), which would explain where that comes from, along with Youshen Lianhuanzhang (Swimming Body Palm) and a few other things.
@TaoOfTheFist perhaps I am mistaken but maybe you are thinking of the Gao Yisheng when saying Gao derives from Chen Tinghua - I believe the Gao here is Gao ZiYing, a direct pupil of Liang Zhen Pu on the lineage level of Li Ziming, who would be an elder of Gao Yisheng
@tseidl That's what I meant when it comes to Gao Yisheng, but Gao Ziying didn't study directly under Liang Zhenpu, but under his pupil Guo Gumin (who is Li Ziming's older classmate). Is that what you meant? You could argue that Beijing Gao style is more or less the same formula as Liang style, because Gao Wencheng studied under Yin Fu and Cheng Tinghua, as well as Liu Dekuan (all of whom also taught Liang Zhenpu in conjunction with Dong Haichuan).
@BILLGETSSTRONG yes, I am currently finishing the 64 palm set attributed to Gao Yisheng, which has many similarities to this set- in other words there are not only more than one 64 linear palm sets, there are more than one GAO 64 linear palm sets. as an aside, though learned on a line, there is much that can be gained from trying to find ways to use these movements on the circle.
A gao text I have states that the 64 hands linear set was created by Liu De-Kuan
to tech the chinese military. Diiferent people thik it comes from different places I guess. But still I like this clip. Cool stuff.
BILLGETSSTRONG 2 years ago
It is from Liu Dekuan, even in Liang style, he learned it from Liu himself.
TaoOfTheFist 2 years ago
Thanks.
BILLGETSSTRONG 2 years ago
Gao style as in Gao Ziying -> Gao Jiwu is a branch of Liang style from Guo Gumin (Liang Zhenpu's top disciple). Guo Gumin also learned from bagua "uncles" like Liu Dekuan, from where the 64 hands came from. Like Bill said, Guo Gumin wrote that Liu created the set to teach Chinese military.
UatuEd 2 years ago
There are several points where it does resemble the GAO style/system. I wonder if it's related at all in some way?
BILLGETSSTRONG 2 years ago
Well, I'm just starting to learn Liang Style, but from I know Liang Zhenpu incorporated things he learned from both Yin Fu and Cheng Tinghua (which is where Gao derives from), which would explain where that comes from, along with Youshen Lianhuanzhang (Swimming Body Palm) and a few other things.
TaoOfTheFist 2 years ago
Thanks.
BILLGETSSTRONG 2 years ago
@TaoOfTheFist perhaps I am mistaken but maybe you are thinking of the Gao Yisheng when saying Gao derives from Chen Tinghua - I believe the Gao here is Gao ZiYing, a direct pupil of Liang Zhen Pu on the lineage level of Li Ziming, who would be an elder of Gao Yisheng
tseidl 1 year ago
@tseidl That's what I meant when it comes to Gao Yisheng, but Gao Ziying didn't study directly under Liang Zhenpu, but under his pupil Guo Gumin (who is Li Ziming's older classmate). Is that what you meant? You could argue that Beijing Gao style is more or less the same formula as Liang style, because Gao Wencheng studied under Yin Fu and Cheng Tinghua, as well as Liu Dekuan (all of whom also taught Liang Zhenpu in conjunction with Dong Haichuan).
TaoOfTheFist 1 year ago
Does this mean there's other styles that have 64 linear palms form/methods?
BILLGETSSTRONG 2 years ago
@BILLGETSSTRONG yes, I am currently finishing the 64 palm set attributed to Gao Yisheng, which has many similarities to this set- in other words there are not only more than one 64 linear palm sets, there are more than one GAO 64 linear palm sets. as an aside, though learned on a line, there is much that can be gained from trying to find ways to use these movements on the circle.
tseidl 1 year ago
This is good! First time in a while that I have seen a non Chinese person express this kind of force correctly (as in, not limp noodle)
:D
mixjourneyman 3 years ago
Looks to me like the Gao (Ziying) family's version...
UatuEd 3 years ago
Hello, I'm curious with whom you learned the 64 form, it's quite different from the one I learned in beijing!
Michael
macgalli 3 years ago