Best College Or University for Bachelors, Masters or PhD? It Depends...

[themaggaman]

AWESOME F'IN VIDEO!!!!

That's definitely somethings I was wondering and it's good to hear feedback on it.

[GollaGandaLova]

Is Economics a good degree? 

[Ayohima]

yes it doeas matter. No one in my highschool was from a CSU. Alll were from US Davis or UC San Jose. Undergrad. wwith only a bachellors........it matters.

[Montyfiable]

What job can you get with a physics degree? Sounds useless unless you want to be a teacher.

[AlexPanzerADT]

Dude, I just want a well-paying job!

[Harry182182]

it only matters considerably when getting your first job after obtaining bachelor's. After your first or second job, employers are going to look more at previous work experiences. It really depends on what you want to do though.

[swimminglikeaquaman]

Epic ending!!!!



[swimminglikeaquaman]

Epic ending!!!!



[alienkishorekumar]

If an MIT degree is put in your resume or CV you have more preference as a job seeker than any normal school!

[TheHobgoblyn]

@alienkishorekumar How many years have you worked in HR? Can you point to any statistics that demonstrate this to be the case?

The only company I have ever heard of being highly discriminatory towards people based on which college they attended was Facebook.

[Murmedon]

This guy is completely wrong on pretty much everything except research.

[canucks117]

No Commentary Ana?

[whydizz]

I disagree. In some graduate schools like some dental schools, if your school is ranked top ~50 they will boost your gpa to give the people that went to a more difficult school

[flake452]

Today its more about who you know than what you know so go to the one where the rich kids go.

[TheCrappyaccount]

There are much better connections at MIT and the overall atmosphere is much better.

[samtakoy21]

The vide is misleading. Your ability to get into a good PhD program is extremely affected by where you went to undergrad. 4.0 GPA and amazing recommendations from obscure school/ unknown profs are not nearly as valuable as a descent GPA and recs from MIT. Same with very good job offers for engineers.

[skyzefawlun]

I'm sorry, I know this poor kid is trying to convince himself that the only part of his education that matters is which textbook he uses, but the truth is that at a top 10 engineering school you typically have:

1. Better professors. Like it or not, it's the case.

2. Better facilities. You can't tell me the toys at MIT aren't better.

3. More competition. It's not only professors who push each other to be better.

4. You get to say you went to MIT/Stanford/Carnegie Mellon. It matters.

[TheHobgoblyn]

@skyzefawlun Are any of those advantages actually worth the extra costs if you are paying out-of-pocket when you get right down to it though? You are going to pay $300,000 instead of $30,000 to have a better chance at getting a job that pays $5,000 more a year?

[fenrir270]

@TheHobgoblyn 300k vs. 30k? MIT avg. indebtedness at graduation: $15,228 SJS avg. indebtedness at graduation: $9,483

Also consider that on avg. in related fields of engineering the MIT grad pay can be as high as 20k extra per year depending what sites you use to compare.

[xteric1]

Also, not to give too much credit to my university, I didn't get my job just because of my dregree but also for the extra research and experience I pursued by myself.

[xteric1]

It might not be true for business or any field where success relies primarily on networking but its true for scienceand engineering.

I got my bachelors from a cal state in computer science, and now I work as a software engineer for one of most successful technology companies in the world. I work next to guys who studied at top universities who paid 10 times I did for education and other guys from India and Russia who studied who knows where, but they all know their stuff and can prove it.

[PolitcalIslam]

Cornell University still provides a great experience for students for undergraduate for a lot of majors, especially in terms of course offerings and in that some departments promise that no classes will be taught by TAs. Harvard and Columbia offer a lot of great opportunities, too. Wall Street cares about where you go… Cornell, HYP, MIT, Columbia, or GTFO in their book.

[loveofphysics]

@PolitcalIslam Well, if your goal is to get onto Wall Street then...

[panama52009]

@PolitcalIslam are you trying to work on wall street?

[PolitcalIslam]

@panama52009 Considering if I need to pay off student loans…

[juanirdag]

What did you mean at the end? was it like the name of the college doesn't mean shit because they all have the same value or was like, a persons name doesn't mean shit because it's useless in this recession.

[whydizz]

@juanirdag I think he meant the name of the school doesn't mean anything because they all offer the same opportunites, resources, quality of education, etc...

[juanirdag]

@whydizz Thank You so much.

[rohannesburg]

Scientists and Engineers deserved to be payed the most in the worl and should run the world, instead of fuckin politicians

[moviedude22]

so wait what'd he say his inmate # was again?

[69NAWAR69]

wtf I thought the TYT vid limit was 2 minutes lol

[Hemul137]

Of course, if you do everything perfect and produce great research regardless where you are....

you will get noticed anyway, but that is exception not a rule.

[Hemul137]

This is some-what false information.

Name matters because you get access to better faculty/research and people with connections.

Example: I know a person who got Caltech post-doc position which wasn't publicly advertised only because his well-known advisor met prof. from Caltech at some conference who told him he has a position.

Example 2: You get access to people doing top level research and also you get recommendations from top people which you need later on.

[DeJach]

Pro tip: get accepted into a PhD program where they will pay you $20k/yr. Get a Masters through that program. If that's as far as you want to go, drop out at that point.

[MisledTrick]

UofT -> nuff said.

[HyrbidHermit]

This was really great advice. I wish I had understood university politics before I chose my school.

[payasoinfeliz]

all these folks talking about how its the same thing... saying why go for a top name when you get the same thing elsewhere. who of you drinks generic cola over coke or pepsi? i rest my case.

[hurricanehaynes]

@thogry67 It's a myth. If you went to a school that was a heavyweight in your field you would know better. Your school's, and your department's reputations are damn near everything, and GPA is the rest. Alumni networking alone skews preferences for hiring graduates, and if you graduate from a big program you'll need to stand out from the others.

[na231975]

In Business in Canada, it DOES matter unless you are doing more than a masters. Most will stop at a masters, where both your undergrad AND grad will count, especially at first. Obviously the masters is more important though. There are some masters that are 1 year and undergrad is 4 years so in those cases it is really 50/50 in importance

[arr4gtr]

inaccurate. Most schools may use the same textbooks but not all schools require you to master all of the information in the text books- nor do the prof's pace you to complete the work of the entire textbook. According you this logic, one could just buy the text books, master the info and test out of an entire major.While that might be possible for some, a tuition-free scholarship would definitely be available for any such individual- at the college of their choosing

[moyga]

I also disagree with him. How can he say that where you go for your undergraduate education makes no difference if hes only been to one university. The fact that they use the same text books doesn't necessarily matter at all. When I did undergraduate psychology we barely used the text books. The quality of teaching can vary dramatically. At oxford for example you get 1 on 1 tutorials, that can make an enormous difference and going to a prestigious uni can 'help' you get a job in many fields.

[loveofphysics]

@moyga I clearly said that my statements regard study within the hard sciences, not the social sciences. My reasoning regarding my thoughts on undergraduate education is because every undergrad Science, Engineering or Math major takes the same Calculus and Elementary physics classes with the same textbooks, typically Stewart for calculus, and Young and Friedman for Physics, I tutored physics on the side from many unis and community colleges and they all use those texts.

[moyga]

@loveofphysics

You are the man in the video? I think the fact that you have tutored in the field at multiple universities gives your statements a lot more weight, did you say that in the video? Anyway I take your point. I think that the title of the video is slightly misleading though since you are specifically talking about hard sciences, but that isn't your fault.

[MisledTrick]

@loveofphysics My university (Canada) also uses Stewart for some of it's calculus courses so it's safe to say that textbooks are used internationally. Sadly, I have to use Spivak's Calculus because I'm in the theoretical math program. :(

[DeJach]

@loveofphysics You don't have the data to assert that all of them use the same book. The majority do, just like the majority of computer science undergrad programs teach Java, that doesn't mean all undergrad programs are equal. If anything it's a suggestion to only consider different schools if they have different programs and different literature. My physics teacher didn't care about the book, so I used Feynman and Griffith and SICM.

[loveofphysics]

@DeJach sure, I'm going to do a comprehensive study of texts used in undergraduate science&math courses for a 3 minute youtube vid...

[DeJach]

@loveofphysics It's not a criticism that you failed to gather and explain the data necessary to use a universal quantifier, it's a criticism that you used the universal quantifier regardless as if it doesn't matter.

[DeJach]

@loveofphysics Furthermore your argument that "it's all the same material in the end" is still not a justification for treating all undergrad programs the same. It is an argument for staying home and learning for free or just by buying the same books and reading them. One reason apart from the paper to even go to college is so that you can pay professors to help you learn the material. The quality of undergrad professors should be a high factor in your list of comparisons.

[DeJach]

@loveofphysics I don't know why your comment got flagged as spam. I'm in full agreement here that teaching quality isn't necessarily correlated with the prestige of the school, but it is an axis to compare undergrad programs which contradicts your point that they are all equivalent.

[LiberalJerseyman]

Physics majors have about a 6% unemployment rating, compared to 2-5% for most Liberal Arts.

[PieToTheFace]

Kind of a biased opinion coming for a someone who clearly cares nothing about name recognition (Coming from San Jose State).



[fritoman182]

I'm a EE and I agree with what he's saying, especially the last part. Focus on your career and marketable skills, not getting into the school with the best name and going $100k in debt is the answer. Opportunity is everywhere and 20 years from now, your employer won't care about where you got your degree, only your experience will matter!!!

[fenrir270]

Theres's definitely a difference between engineering or physics at MIT and San Jose State... Even if we assume that the undergraduate education is the same (which it isn't) the odds of getting into a top grad school are significantly higher for an MIT grad than a San Jose State grad. Consider the fact that it is extremely difficult to progress up (that is to say go to a significantly better grad school than undergrad) Even for the minority who accomplish this, why give yourself a handicap?

[jpoodle]

@fenrir270 I know I'm speaking for my school here, but I've been told by my professors that the "key" to grad school, besides good grades & such, is internships. So the SJS student who gets a good internship is gonna get the grad school nod over the MIT student with no internship(s). I understand you, but I really would rather agree with the poster of the video, why should HS dictate your bachelors school, & why should that dictate where you go for grad school, &etc. Yep Yep

[fenrir270]

@jpoodle Internships are helpful yes, and especially if you're trying to make a distinction between someone from SJS and U of Iowa, but MIT... there really is no comparison. Besides why would you ever assume that an SJS student would get an internship when and MIT student wouldn't? Like everything else worth striving for good internships are competitive and the fist place employers look is MIT.

[MrHav1k]

@fenrir270

Handicap? LOL faggot.

[fenrir270]

@MrHav1k Is that supposed to mean something?

[therrydicule]

@fenrir270 The odd are greater, yes... But how much money do you spend to increase your odd?

[MsZooper]

@fenrir270 It isn't nearly as hard to go to a better graduate program as you suggest.

[fenrir270]

@MsZooper You say this with what justification? Grad School acceptance rates are tricky to find accurately reported, however the top 10-20 schools for law, math, physics, engineering, comp sci, etc. are frequently reported in the single digits.

Consider MIT's undergrad acceptance rate of about 9% (I personally know 3 kids who all scored 35-36 on the ACT with perfect SAT sub scores who were all denied or deferred) You think a kid from MIT applying to MIT has no advantage over someone from SJS?

[TheHobgoblyn]

@fenrir270 The community college I lived in had SIGNIFICANTLY better computer engineering courses than any of the local CSUs or even the "Ivy league" equivalent college I ended up attending for a year in Tokyo.

Of course, it was sort of an outlier as it had be far the best computer engineering courses of any community college in the nation and was an early adopter of associate majors and career certificates in those categories.

Prestige doesn't even equate to having access to the right courses.

[fenrir270]

@TheHobgoblyn Whether this is true about your community college or not, that still was not the point as was making. I don't know where you received your undergrad degree, but I am well aware of the fact that community colleges can in some instances at top schools like U of I increase odds of admission.

1. I'm not sure what you mean by Ivy League equivalent, Ivy League just refers to 8 old, prestigious colleges in NE US, there are many non Ivy League schools that are better suited for science

[fenrir270]

@TheHobgoblyn 2. Even if we were to assume your community college had courses that were better than those at MIT, going to MIT drastically improves chances of being excepted to a prestigious grad school. The speaker in the video stresses the importance of grad school, so I don't see how going to a good undergrad school wouldn't be important (unless you failed to get accepted).

[23SuS23]

so many high schoolers stress over what university they go to, wanting to go to the "top school" because it makes them look good. guess what? YOU'RE GOING TO STUDY THE SAME STUFF AS EVERYBODY ELSE.

[ArenThomasian]

Physics major... I bow down to you

[Bonifeks51]

I agree with the majority of his points , also coming from a science background, especially about getting a masters at a non PhD school (because its more difficult to get stipends there also.) what I disagree on however is choosing undergraduate schools because research is sometimes not nearly accessible at some schools at it is at others. That is just a little something that people should look into along with TA positions, tutoring positions etc. Make the most out of undergrad.

[hurricanehaynes]

I couldn't disagree more.

[thogry67]

@hurricanehaynes He isn't speaking an opinion to be able to disagree with. It's facts. Employers don't care about where you got your bachelor's from, and they definitely don't care about your GPA.

[AKSBSU]

I noticed that many of my most highly regarded professors did their graduate work at big state schools. My graduate chair went to Arizona State University and was president of the National Academy of Neuropsychology. His name is immediately recognized at any conference in my field I've attended. The name of the university on your degree doesn't make you more or less talented or intelligent. It's how much you know and what you do with it that matters most.

[DrQuijano]

What he says is also 100% true in the fields of languages and literature, linguistics, and education.

[jacqueline716]

Good advice. I think I remember this guy from a previous TYTUniversity video about selling textbooks...I wonder why Ana/Jayar aren't commenting on these videos anymore.

Someone should do a video on which masters/phD programs are worthwhile and which are not because I know a lot of people who waste money on art history graduate programs or philosophy

[ExcellentScore]

I am currently doing master in mechanical engineering (Focusing on UAV and machine vision), I've never heard of most of the university that my lab parters came from, and it does not matter. All it matter is the fact that you can do research well and that you can pass the classes (which are fairly straight forward compare to undergrad classes).

[Frances3654]

3 people are too dumb to study physics.

[youngbuck189]

VILNIUS UNIVERSITY

[jinglebells1234]

USA IS THE GREATEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD.

[Nigomsa]

---- here, I'm a freshman in college going for an Earth Science degree... I hope it's worth it.

[SkamGame]

Why you hating on the video?

[pepebuckles]

FIRST MOTHER FUCKER