my dad had all of the Herb Alpert albums and as a young boy, not sure if I liked the album covers because of the music or the music because of the album covers. All I know is I owe dad a thank you! 51 and still listen to Herb at least a dozen times a year.
Glad to see by recent comments I was the only person in their 50's today who loved Herb and TB in the 60's. There are some songs that will stick with us a lifetime. This is one of them for me.
Back during this time it became popular to simply stop playing in the middle of a track and then start up again. Herb Alpert was -- in my opinion -- the first to do this. Hal Blaine's bass drums roared back and radio ate it up. It really excited the audiences. I loved hearing that false end and then suddenly it all came back. I think the Gentrys used it on "Keep On Dancing" also.
I watched a documentary on the studio group that played on just about every hit in the late 50's,60's & early 70's. The great sound should be attributed to the studio group, The Wrecking Crew. Never mentioned on any of the albums they played on. For example guitar player Glen Campbell, drummer Hal Blain, bas Carol Kane, guitar great Tony Tetesco & about 15 others that know one would have a clue. you may not even know these few. Check out the youtube preview under The Wrecking Crew.
My mother owned this on vinyl . I was 5 yrs. old & remember holding it. I wish she still had it. It was one his biggest albums.Dolores Erickson (the one on the cover) the pics from her husband behind the fridge because at the time she was 3 months pregnant & thought he would be upset. Probably one of the top 10 covers of all time. The Cars 1 & 2 is in the same crowd.
My dad bought this CD when I was in third grade, back in 1998. This was the first Herb Alpert song I ever heard. It has been my theme song for a good 13 years, now. It shall never get old. <3
@Solarshoji I don't think that the new version of the "Whipped Cream" girl (cream bikini) even compares to this lady in the sexy factor. (And I'm a straight female :D)
Like a lot of Joe Coccer's remake songs where the original was good but the remake took the song into a different, fantastic, and even better direction altogether. The Beatles original was a good song but would we hear it very much at all if Herb hadn't done this version?
@caryzia ha ha yeh I was around 7 or so and stariied at the cover . I must have learned alot from the the cover but did not know why until later. Such great assests.
My older brother got this album for Christmas one year, and we loved it, we would dance around, and the needle would scrape across the record, and we'd get spanked, it was insanity. Then one day I wanted to play it, and I pushed down too hard trying to get it on the turntable and the disk just shattered, and my little 5 yr old world just went black. My mom controlled herself for once, but a few days later my brother punched me really hard in the arm in the garage - you broke my record.
When I was about 12 years old I discovered this album in my grandmother's record collection. I sat down in her old chair and looked t the cover. I stared, and stared, and stared...
I wonder how many people bought this solely for the cover? I wonder how many men have this picture firmly fixed in their memory from adolescence. Best record cover of all time.
Haha, probably half our generation does. I saw it at my friend's house as a kid and couldn't believe what I was seeing. Just saw it here again for the first time in some 30 years and it's pretty much as amazing as I remembered it.
@TheGiantRobot It made such an impression on me that when I saw it in a used book store a few years ago, I bought it without hesitation. I still pull it out once in a while and stare at it, and it still makes my blood race. (Not when my wife is around though--she would get jealous!)
Haha, that's hilarious (about your wife!) Well, I would sure buy it, it's a beautiful cover even aside from the sex appeal. I went and found the biggest jpg of it I could. I love some of the old record covers. I wish I could get my hands on a Jethro Tull Broadsword and the Beast cover.
@TheGiantRobot Well--just don't tell my wife. I think the large physical format of vinyl played a big role in encouraging great cover art, because you sure don't see it on CDs that came after vinyl faded away in the stores. Yeah I know--I've been told I "live in the past", but I think the music was better also. Broadsword is a great cover. There are plenty of big jpgs to be found--you must mean the actual LP. The real thing always beats mere computer images.
Yeah, I mean the actual LP. My friend has a copy and it's incredible. Absolutely, the big LPs were perfect for art, and they often had nice inserts. Those LPs sound amazing, too, because they are so physical. The sound is just the vinyl amplified, real physical sound with all the pops and crackles. Next best thing to having the musician there. :) And there's no question music was better. I doubt it will ever be that good again.
@TheGiantRobot The fact that it was ANALOG is what made them sound so nice. Technically the thing to do was to take a new album and record it on tape rather than to play the record over and over. That way the record didn't develop pops and cracks. The trouble however at that time was that 'tape' machines had hiss. And DOLBY apparently came up with Dolby S but didn't sell or release it. It was immaculate. But by the time it hit the market, digital CD's hit the market.
Yeah, I played mine rather than tape them. I loved that you could actually hear the record itself on the needle, separate from the speakers, if the sound wasn't turned up loud (I had really good hearing). They came crackling brand new. I didn't mind, I loved it. They sounded so alive.
There's NO digital format that can match the reproduction of a well-engineered vinyl LP, played on quality equipment.. vinyl is making a comeback.. like feature films.. thousands of "classic" albums are being restored and remastered from the original studio tapes.. unfortunately, it's an expensive comeback, as these new audiophile LPs are typically pressed on 180 gram (double-thick) vinyl, and sell for $25.00 and up.. ten times what an LP cost in the 1960s..
argh. I wish youtube would let one leave longer comments.. anyway, check out musicdirect if you crave new audiophile vinyl versions of your favorite old albums.. (I have NO affiliation with MD except as a satisified customer).. wish I was rich.. they sell (and I'd buy) MANY newly-released audiophile versions of old LPs I own, with the original inserts reproduced (booklets, posters, whatever), if an LP originally had any..
@hrlaser The only problem with your theory is that the old LPs were all recorded on analog tape - the low-level stuff. I was a studio engineer during the era of which you speak and we were constantly battling tape hiss and bias noise. Something that didn't completely go away until the advent of digital recording.
You put an LP on a $6,000 EMT turntable with a Stanton cartridge, run it through a Shure preamp, a McIntosh power amp & JBL 4350s, and the first thing you'll hear is tape hiss.
Do you own, or have you ever heard any of MFSL's "UHQR" records from 1983 (eight different titles, only 5000 of each were pressed on 200 gram virgin "Supervinyl" by JVC in Japan.. all sold out in under a year.. do an eBay search for "UHQR").. played on a decent rig?.. If not.. find one, and play it on quality gear using the best headphones you own.. then give me your honest opinion / evaluation..
@hrlaser I was around at the beginning of MoFi; in fact, I recall an engineer friend acquiring a blown shellac from a "Breezin'" mastering session & listening to it at his studio. The description of that experience lines up with my earlier comment (and remember; this wasn't even a pressing!). MFSL tried everything to make analog-to-vinyl work, even clever stuff like half-speed cutting, which traded one problem for another.
Tape noise is tape noise. It's impossible to compete with digital.
@hrlaser I haven't heard back from you, but let me finish what I started. Vinyl costs less to manufacture than optical; the machinery involved is far more expensive. If it were all about bucks, we'd still be doing some sort of digital vinyl. But the public wants quality, and it's scientifically impossible to make an analog disk that will outperform digital. There is surface noise, immediate wear of both disk and stylus, limitations of waveform reproduction, on and on. MORE ---
@hrlaser MORE -- It's possible to digitally store and regen a wave cycle 5 times higher in pitch than any loudspeaker can reproduce. With vinyl, there's an absolute top-stop of the width of the cutterhead and stylus...anything smaller than the stylus absolutely cannot be stored or regen'd. Analog is limited to rounded waveforms; digital can form anything. That's all pure physics. MORE --
@hrlaser MORE -- There is always measureable surface noise on even the best vinyl. It gets worse after the first play, and on and on. That's because vinyl starts to wear out immediate upon playing, and the same friction wears down the stylus. Not so with digital. If a CD is damaged, it's gone, but it never wears out. There's nothing to wear.
Too many people are enamored with the romance of vinyl. It's fun, it can sound good, but it's old technology that has been replaced with better.
@moproducer Vinyl is old technology...thats very true. I got caught up in the digital revolution back in '87 and bought a ton of cd's. As I have got older I've actually gone back to vinyl and have found I have much more appreciation for the music. Yep vinyl takes alot of care but its worth it IMHO. Vinyl requires some knowledge of the equipment its used on. So yes it's been replaced...but with better? Nah..There are too many people rediscovering vinyl again.
@MisterSteemy I understand the nostalgia factor, and yep, vinyl can actually sound good. Bear in mind that I spent a number of years in disc mastering and stamping, so I'm technically qualified to make an argument here. From a pure physics perspective, vinyl cannot compete with digital...it's noisier, doesn't have the frequency response or dynamic range, and as a medium, is instable.
But I like to enjoy hearing those old (and new) disks, for the hell of it.
@MisterSteemy The main reasons so many people think that vinyl sounds superior are some of its very limitations. Vinyl cannot faithfully reproduced a complex waveform, so everything is rounded off. This is why you hear people complain that "digital sounds harsh". It's not harsh, it's just dead-nuts accurate.
All storage introduces a certain amount of distortion, and vinyl tends to distort to the third harmonics. While this is not desired, it is more "musical" than even-order distortion.
@moproducer There are indeed several variations that can easily distort vinyl. To me it's alot of nostalgia and whats actually pleasing to my ear. I still listen to alot of MP3's and cd's while in the car. I have heard from some musician friends of mine who complain that digital sometimes sounds too bright...or harsh..or sounds like it full of splatter. Keep in mind not all just some sound this way. I have actually listened to remasters on both cd and vinyl that sound aweful.
@MisterSteemy That's my point; it's often the flaws that make something more appealing. With a highly-sampled, long-worded digital file, audio is pretty simple to replicate...resulting in fidelity that is a little too faithful for most people's ears.
Analog introduces noise, response limitations and soft distortion that can actually warm things up a little. This is truly the definition of the 'analog sounds warmer' claim that is often made. Vinyl takes all of this to the next level.
@MisterSteemy There's also the human side of mastering. When I was doing vinyl in the '70s, there were mastering engineers I steered clear of. Disc cutting is like that game of hammering the heads of gophers...it's very difficult to get all of them down. There's both art and science to it, and it can be frustrating.
Likewise with CD mastering; you can get a pretty horrible file if you don't know exactly what you're doing. It took me several years to get comfortable with digital mastering.
@moproducer Digital is sampled music. How could you say it's dead nuts accurate? I know, you have no idea what you are taling about. The sampling of the wave forms yields a harsher sound since the peaks are over emphasized.
@Lockemeister So, you're telling me that after passing through a matrix of inductors, resistance circuitry, wear-based analog replications, op-amps, etc., etc., etc., that analog is faithful? Have you ever tried to recreate a sawtooth wave in analog? And have you never heard of oversampling?
Please give me a break, it's been a long day and I've had to deal with people like you.
@moproducer you still have no clue. Analog to Analog is a superior method. Analog to Digital is sampled then has to be converted back to Analog in a D-A convertor. We hear in Analog and can hear the harshness of the digital conversion. This is why you are clueless. You spew a lot of meaningless techno babble.
@Lockemeister Your non-scientific, empirical, says-me authority on the subject is about as impressive as a hemorrhoid. Grow up, get an education, and we'll talk...
@moproducerIn source coding (analog-to-digital conversion and compression), the difference between the actual analog value and quantized digital value is called quantization error or quantization distortion. This error is either due to rounding or truncation. The error signal is sometimes considered as an additional random signal called quantization noise because of its stochastic behaviour.
PS..do you have any friends? are they jackasses like you?
@moproducer youre the one who started the name calling. what exactly IS your problem.
how about the technical information and arguement I posted. Gave up on that huh? I figgured you would. It's a little beyonf you. Want to talk Nyquist theorems? I didn't think so.
@moproducer Here's something simple to understand for a simple mind like yours. It;s from wikipedia, so you can understand it. "Analog advantages; It can be argued that analog formats retain some inherent advantages over digital formats. The relevance of these advantages depends on the quality of specific digital or analog equipment. The advantages of analog systems are summarised below:
@Lockemeister Like I said, get an education and we'll talk. In the academic world, we do not consider Wikipedia to be a subject matter authority (nor do we get our news from the National Enquirer). Your assertions do not even open the fundamentals of the topic.
@moproducer Since you do not even know who I am, my academic or professional credentials (plus the reference to me as a "fucking wanker") I'll presume that you are the youngster that you appear to be. Grow up, get an education and then we'll be on equal footing to discuss this topic.
@moproducer I built my first parametric equalizer in 1978 when I was 15, sunshine.
I have had a look at your channel and would you take the dummy out of your mouth when I am talking to you please? Good boy!
Don't you fret about MY footing, digger... same with that other wanker and his Nyquist theorems...
It's so easy to pretend to be an expert with the internet nowadays. Not so easy 30 years ago when I was designing and building my gear. Anyway, as you are both wankers, who gives a rats?
@moproducer As far as your ear is concerned analogue is faithful if it meets frequency, phase and distortion parameters. You and the other guy are fucking wankers. Read what I wrote to him. I bet neither of you tools can even solder.
@moproducer You are wrong on the distortion (even order sounds smoother than odd order).
Also there are dropped bits in any CD stamping which is not perfect but the error correction catches all but the worst of it. So CD is not perfect. But you need amazing transducers to pick it. Stax SR5 cans will.
But yeah digital is so crisp that people and speakers can have a hard time handling it.
But the output filters on CD players ring at 44kHz (that's filtering and hamming windows for you).
I wouldn't have ever known of this song in not for my 11th grade history teacher, Mr. Richard Johnson of Anson Senior High in Wadesboro, NC. One of the best teachers I ever had. R.I.P Mr. J.
great oldie album; great for holidays of late sixties,early seventies.dance,drink,dance,,,
Jimmyricano 5 days ago
i think i just had an eargasm!
angas10 1 week ago in playlist Favorite videos
I too was a kid who grew up with Herb Alpert. I used to listen them more they did during the day. Awesome stuff.
nostalgiaguy1941 1 week ago
Great song. Although, first time I heard it, it was playing on The Lords of Dogtown documentary. Still love it though.....
badoocee 3 weeks ago
my dad had all of the Herb Alpert albums and as a young boy, not sure if I liked the album covers because of the music or the music because of the album covers. All I know is I owe dad a thank you! 51 and still listen to Herb at least a dozen times a year.
screwauger60 4 weeks ago
Glad to see by recent comments I was the only person in their 50's today who loved Herb and TB in the 60's. There are some songs that will stick with us a lifetime. This is one of them for me.
teerough 1 month ago in playlist MUSIC
Hienot lapsuusmuistot 60 luvulla tulee mieleen !!
ipe1958 1 month ago
My favorite cut on the album and I listened to it a thousand times after my dad brought it home in 1965 when I was 9 years old.
ChildrenofKrell 1 month ago
that album cover was the sexiest thing I had ever seen when I was 10 or 11 years old.
dougfrombaltimore 1 month ago
Back during this time it became popular to simply stop playing in the middle of a track and then start up again. Herb Alpert was -- in my opinion -- the first to do this. Hal Blaine's bass drums roared back and radio ate it up. It really excited the audiences. I loved hearing that false end and then suddenly it all came back. I think the Gentrys used it on "Keep On Dancing" also.
lastrada52 1 month ago
I LOVED THIS SONG WHEN I WAS 10 BACK THEN AND STILL DO.. HA
Mmewster 1 month ago
Is that Katy Perry? lol
2259269587 1 month ago
Herb Alpert always reminds me of baseball games in the Houston Astrodome. They always played his music over the P.A. system.
mpjgbx 2 months ago
I watched a documentary on the studio group that played on just about every hit in the late 50's,60's & early 70's. The great sound should be attributed to the studio group, The Wrecking Crew. Never mentioned on any of the albums they played on. For example guitar player Glen Campbell, drummer Hal Blain, bas Carol Kane, guitar great Tony Tetesco & about 15 others that know one would have a clue. you may not even know these few. Check out the youtube preview under The Wrecking Crew.
warrendonald 2 months ago
tutto il calcio minuto per minuto
copali 2 months ago
GOTCHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Zanellachan 2 months ago
in the 60's my parents would get drunk and listen to this and dance!!
dilernia28 2 months ago
Solarshoji....that cover got a LOT of boys excited in the day.
KCFlyer2 3 months ago 2
Help me, where is the brassband music so a fourty yaers ago?
woerdingsa 3 months ago
My favorirte Herb Alpert tune of all time. Zorbra The Greak is my 2nd.
MrMotownmanny 3 months ago 2
I love honey it is sweet.
nholt 3 months ago
la version de herp albert es de cabaret, de centro de espectaculos nocturno... la version de los beatles es bohemia... buen tema
soldadoblanco80 4 months ago
* hid the pics
BigTruckAA 4 months ago
My mother owned this on vinyl . I was 5 yrs. old & remember holding it. I wish she still had it. It was one his biggest albums.Dolores Erickson (the one on the cover) the pics from her husband behind the fridge because at the time she was 3 months pregnant & thought he would be upset. Probably one of the top 10 covers of all time. The Cars 1 & 2 is in the same crowd.
BigTruckAA 4 months ago
Memories.....
BigTruckAA 4 months ago
The audio is excellent. Thanks for posting this masterpiece !!
fab4fan4ever64 4 months ago
Please don't say "what's an LP?"
3happygirls 4 months ago
@3happygirls If he does I'll throw an 8-track at him.
timmmahhhh 4 months ago in playlist YouTube Mix for Herb Alpert
@3happygirls long play
6452ss 3 months ago
It's even more classic than you know. My dad bought this LP when I was in third grade, back in 1968.
3happygirls 4 months ago
@3happygirls Man, can I relate to that! I played this album to death in the 60's when my dad brought it home.
ChildrenofKrell 1 month ago
I Love Herb Alpert. What A Sound.
mrbuffalosabre 5 months ago in playlist YouTube Mix for Herb Alpert 9
I'm so glad my dad introduced me to Herb Alpert when I was kid! It spawned a lifelong love of brass (augmented by Harry James and Fanre Ciocarlia!)
HRedner 5 months ago in playlist YouTube Mix for Herb Alpert
Isn't this "The Lonely Bull"?
irishbenocpa 5 months ago
Herb is brilliant. Btw, he's also the A in A&M records. A powerhouse back in the day!
CUBALAW 5 months ago
My dad bought this CD when I was in third grade, back in 1998. This was the first Herb Alpert song I ever heard. It has been my theme song for a good 13 years, now. It shall never get old. <3
P3R0XiD3 5 months ago 2
Thanks - this takes me back - I used to have all their albums. Even had the model of the Tijuana Taxi!
dumpsterdan57 5 months ago in playlist YouTube Mix for Herb Alpert
The woman on the cover here is Delores. She is an artist here in Lake Oswego, Oregon. In her sixties now. Sure got my brother excited in the day!
Solarshoji 5 months ago in playlist YouTube Mix for Herb Alpert 9
@Solarshoji I would love to see what she looks like today.
sperk31161 3 months ago in playlist YouTube Mix for Herb Alpert
@Solarshoji I don't think that the new version of the "Whipped Cream" girl (cream bikini) even compares to this lady in the sexy factor. (And I'm a straight female :D)
ImThatCrazyGal 1 month ago
@Solarshoji She was very pregnant in that pic so they covered her all up with cream....(:
1217chic 1 month ago in playlist Herb Alpert
@Solarshoji That cover got me excited at 10 years old too ! I believe most of my early sex education was from that cover and National Geographic !
dougfrombaltimore 1 month ago
@Solarshoji, No kidding...Cool to know.
badoocee 2 weeks ago
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5star555555555 6 months ago
I pledge allegiance to the Constitution of the United States of America, whipped cream and other delights.
Downfacingdog 6 months ago
I miss this time of the world! Seems like things were so much more safe.
notpcone 6 months ago 2
Yum !
notpcone 6 months ago
Awesome, This brings back some Memories...
LiverLipLouie 6 months ago
Irreplaceable. Heard this from my dad's collection when I was @ 4 in the early 70's. Never forget it.
unholyimage 6 months ago
Like a lot of Joe Coccer's remake songs where the original was good but the remake took the song into a different, fantastic, and even better direction altogether. The Beatles original was a good song but would we hear it very much at all if Herb hadn't done this version?
timmmahhhh 6 months ago
FANTASTIC
whitehorse447 6 months ago
WOW!!my mom taught my brothers and I to dance to this music.. GOOD TIMES!!!
Thanks Herb xo
Ladyluck329 7 months ago
i love this i havent heard this in awhile
tangoblast936 7 months ago in playlist Herb Alpert & the TJB
a tittilating album cover for a 7 year old in the 60's!
Great song too!
I was into Cream & Jimi at a young age but umm....
caryzia 7 months ago 2
@caryzia ha ha yeh I was around 7 or so and stariied at the cover . I must have learned alot from the the cover but did not know why until later. Such great assests.
danielnordeen 7 months ago 2
@danielnordeen Oh Yeah! different era....kids today umm,see/know a lot more...but I'll take the 'innocence' that we had any day!
caryzia 7 months ago 2
@caryzia Yeah and once you saw this cover you were into this "Cream" too, haha!
timmmahhhh 6 months ago
Man YouTube is great. Where else can you easily find great old music like this?
mrbigkell 8 months ago
Great song. Reminds me of growing up. My parents used to crank this album
DiCam3667 9 months ago
@DiCam3667 Mine's also.
hydeparkmac 8 months ago in playlist Herb Alpert & the TJB
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Who cares if analog or digital is better? Can we just listen to some Herb Alpert?
TheOkayAndrew 9 months ago
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TheOkayAndrew 9 months ago
It sounds so sexy. Nice! ^_^
schildno5 10 months ago
I still have the LP I bought back in the sixties.
hobie65202 10 months ago
When was this song made
myreviewsnow 11 months ago
I picked up an original 45 with this today, definitely my favorite of his songs
57250tr 11 months ago
Herb alpert is transcenant
russjoe123 11 months ago
My older brother got this album for Christmas one year, and we loved it, we would dance around, and the needle would scrape across the record, and we'd get spanked, it was insanity. Then one day I wanted to play it, and I pushed down too hard trying to get it on the turntable and the disk just shattered, and my little 5 yr old world just went black. My mom controlled herself for once, but a few days later my brother punched me really hard in the arm in the garage - you broke my record.
hummlyhummly 1 year ago
This Album Reminds me of My Childhood during the 60's.
perpetual61 1 year ago
If this doesn't bring back the 70's nothing else does. (Barf)!!!! I remember hearing this song on a cassestte loop when I was a wittle kid.
krushinghead 1 year ago
@krushinghead
Check your flux capacitor.. wrong decade.. "Whipped Cream and Other Delights" was released in 1965 ;-) ..
(search the title on allmusic.com - this thing won't let me post the link)..
hrlaser 1 year ago
@hrlaser Yeah, but my parents played it when I remembered it...the 70's.
krushinghead 1 year ago
@hrlaser Yeah, I guess they never played it after 1969 :)
moproducer 1 year ago
@hrlaser 1958 in mono, dude. I have the mono album. But yeah, wrong decade....
absolutelyfree1963 8 months ago
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krushinghead 1 year ago
The HORNDOGS from DREW CAREY!
Holy Mackeral!
10menonachest 1 year ago
NICE!!!!! My dad had this LP and I thought (as a little girl) what is this girl doing sitting in a pile of whipped cream. Now I know better.
MiGrm9 1 year ago
When I was about 12 years old I discovered this album in my grandmother's record collection. I sat down in her old chair and looked t the cover. I stared, and stared, and stared...
I wonder how many people bought this solely for the cover? I wonder how many men have this picture firmly fixed in their memory from adolescence. Best record cover of all time.
DandAinTac 1 year ago
@DandAinTac
Haha, probably half our generation does. I saw it at my friend's house as a kid and couldn't believe what I was seeing. Just saw it here again for the first time in some 30 years and it's pretty much as amazing as I remembered it.
TheGiantRobot 1 year ago
@TheGiantRobot It made such an impression on me that when I saw it in a used book store a few years ago, I bought it without hesitation. I still pull it out once in a while and stare at it, and it still makes my blood race. (Not when my wife is around though--she would get jealous!)
DandAinTac 1 year ago
@DandAinTac
Haha, that's hilarious (about your wife!) Well, I would sure buy it, it's a beautiful cover even aside from the sex appeal. I went and found the biggest jpg of it I could. I love some of the old record covers. I wish I could get my hands on a Jethro Tull Broadsword and the Beast cover.
TheGiantRobot 1 year ago
@TheGiantRobot Well--just don't tell my wife. I think the large physical format of vinyl played a big role in encouraging great cover art, because you sure don't see it on CDs that came after vinyl faded away in the stores. Yeah I know--I've been told I "live in the past", but I think the music was better also. Broadsword is a great cover. There are plenty of big jpgs to be found--you must mean the actual LP. The real thing always beats mere computer images.
DandAinTac 1 year ago
@DandAinTac
Yeah, I mean the actual LP. My friend has a copy and it's incredible. Absolutely, the big LPs were perfect for art, and they often had nice inserts. Those LPs sound amazing, too, because they are so physical. The sound is just the vinyl amplified, real physical sound with all the pops and crackles. Next best thing to having the musician there. :) And there's no question music was better. I doubt it will ever be that good again.
TheGiantRobot 1 year ago
@TheGiantRobot The fact that it was ANALOG is what made them sound so nice. Technically the thing to do was to take a new album and record it on tape rather than to play the record over and over. That way the record didn't develop pops and cracks. The trouble however at that time was that 'tape' machines had hiss. And DOLBY apparently came up with Dolby S but didn't sell or release it. It was immaculate. But by the time it hit the market, digital CD's hit the market.
AmazGraz 1 year ago
@AmazGraz
Yeah, I played mine rather than tape them. I loved that you could actually hear the record itself on the needle, separate from the speakers, if the sound wasn't turned up loud (I had really good hearing). They came crackling brand new. I didn't mind, I loved it. They sounded so alive.
TheGiantRobot 1 year ago
@TheGiantRobot
There's NO digital format that can match the reproduction of a well-engineered vinyl LP, played on quality equipment.. vinyl is making a comeback.. like feature films.. thousands of "classic" albums are being restored and remastered from the original studio tapes.. unfortunately, it's an expensive comeback, as these new audiophile LPs are typically pressed on 180 gram (double-thick) vinyl, and sell for $25.00 and up.. ten times what an LP cost in the 1960s..
hrlaser 1 year ago
argh. I wish youtube would let one leave longer comments.. anyway, check out musicdirect if you crave new audiophile vinyl versions of your favorite old albums.. (I have NO affiliation with MD except as a satisified customer).. wish I was rich.. they sell (and I'd buy) MANY newly-released audiophile versions of old LPs I own, with the original inserts reproduced (booklets, posters, whatever), if an LP originally had any..
hrlaser 1 year ago
@hrlaser The only problem with your theory is that the old LPs were all recorded on analog tape - the low-level stuff. I was a studio engineer during the era of which you speak and we were constantly battling tape hiss and bias noise. Something that didn't completely go away until the advent of digital recording.
You put an LP on a $6,000 EMT turntable with a Stanton cartridge, run it through a Shure preamp, a McIntosh power amp & JBL 4350s, and the first thing you'll hear is tape hiss.
moproducer 1 year ago
@moproducer
Do you own, or have you ever heard any of MFSL's "UHQR" records from 1983 (eight different titles, only 5000 of each were pressed on 200 gram virgin "Supervinyl" by JVC in Japan.. all sold out in under a year.. do an eBay search for "UHQR").. played on a decent rig?.. If not.. find one, and play it on quality gear using the best headphones you own.. then give me your honest opinion / evaluation..
hrlaser 1 year ago
@hrlaser I was around at the beginning of MoFi; in fact, I recall an engineer friend acquiring a blown shellac from a "Breezin'" mastering session & listening to it at his studio. The description of that experience lines up with my earlier comment (and remember; this wasn't even a pressing!). MFSL tried everything to make analog-to-vinyl work, even clever stuff like half-speed cutting, which traded one problem for another.
Tape noise is tape noise. It's impossible to compete with digital.
moproducer 1 year ago
@hrlaser I haven't heard back from you, but let me finish what I started. Vinyl costs less to manufacture than optical; the machinery involved is far more expensive. If it were all about bucks, we'd still be doing some sort of digital vinyl. But the public wants quality, and it's scientifically impossible to make an analog disk that will outperform digital. There is surface noise, immediate wear of both disk and stylus, limitations of waveform reproduction, on and on. MORE ---
moproducer 1 year ago
@hrlaser MORE -- It's possible to digitally store and regen a wave cycle 5 times higher in pitch than any loudspeaker can reproduce. With vinyl, there's an absolute top-stop of the width of the cutterhead and stylus...anything smaller than the stylus absolutely cannot be stored or regen'd. Analog is limited to rounded waveforms; digital can form anything. That's all pure physics. MORE --
moproducer 1 year ago
@hrlaser MORE -- There is always measureable surface noise on even the best vinyl. It gets worse after the first play, and on and on. That's because vinyl starts to wear out immediate upon playing, and the same friction wears down the stylus. Not so with digital. If a CD is damaged, it's gone, but it never wears out. There's nothing to wear.
Too many people are enamored with the romance of vinyl. It's fun, it can sound good, but it's old technology that has been replaced with better.
moproducer 1 year ago
@moproducer Vinyl is old technology...thats very true. I got caught up in the digital revolution back in '87 and bought a ton of cd's. As I have got older I've actually gone back to vinyl and have found I have much more appreciation for the music. Yep vinyl takes alot of care but its worth it IMHO. Vinyl requires some knowledge of the equipment its used on. So yes it's been replaced...but with better? Nah..There are too many people rediscovering vinyl again.
MisterSteemy 1 year ago
@MisterSteemy I understand the nostalgia factor, and yep, vinyl can actually sound good. Bear in mind that I spent a number of years in disc mastering and stamping, so I'm technically qualified to make an argument here. From a pure physics perspective, vinyl cannot compete with digital...it's noisier, doesn't have the frequency response or dynamic range, and as a medium, is instable.
But I like to enjoy hearing those old (and new) disks, for the hell of it.
moproducer 1 year ago
@MisterSteemy The main reasons so many people think that vinyl sounds superior are some of its very limitations. Vinyl cannot faithfully reproduced a complex waveform, so everything is rounded off. This is why you hear people complain that "digital sounds harsh". It's not harsh, it's just dead-nuts accurate.
All storage introduces a certain amount of distortion, and vinyl tends to distort to the third harmonics. While this is not desired, it is more "musical" than even-order distortion.
moproducer 1 year ago
@moproducer There are indeed several variations that can easily distort vinyl. To me it's alot of nostalgia and whats actually pleasing to my ear. I still listen to alot of MP3's and cd's while in the car. I have heard from some musician friends of mine who complain that digital sometimes sounds too bright...or harsh..or sounds like it full of splatter. Keep in mind not all just some sound this way. I have actually listened to remasters on both cd and vinyl that sound aweful.
MisterSteemy 1 year ago
@MisterSteemy That's my point; it's often the flaws that make something more appealing. With a highly-sampled, long-worded digital file, audio is pretty simple to replicate...resulting in fidelity that is a little too faithful for most people's ears.
Analog introduces noise, response limitations and soft distortion that can actually warm things up a little. This is truly the definition of the 'analog sounds warmer' claim that is often made. Vinyl takes all of this to the next level.
moproducer 1 year ago
@MisterSteemy There's also the human side of mastering. When I was doing vinyl in the '70s, there were mastering engineers I steered clear of. Disc cutting is like that game of hammering the heads of gophers...it's very difficult to get all of them down. There's both art and science to it, and it can be frustrating.
Likewise with CD mastering; you can get a pretty horrible file if you don't know exactly what you're doing. It took me several years to get comfortable with digital mastering.
moproducer 1 year ago
@moproducer Did you ever design and build any gear? Or just drive it?
Just wondering. I think you and lockemeister should erase your comments...
nothing personal.
absolutelyfree1963 8 months ago
@moproducer Digital is sampled music. How could you say it's dead nuts accurate? I know, you have no idea what you are taling about. The sampling of the wave forms yields a harsher sound since the peaks are over emphasized.
Lockemeister 9 months ago
@Lockemeister So, you're telling me that after passing through a matrix of inductors, resistance circuitry, wear-based analog replications, op-amps, etc., etc., etc., that analog is faithful? Have you ever tried to recreate a sawtooth wave in analog? And have you never heard of oversampling?
Please give me a break, it's been a long day and I've had to deal with people like you.
moproducer 9 months ago
@moproducer you still have no clue. Analog to Analog is a superior method. Analog to Digital is sampled then has to be converted back to Analog in a D-A convertor. We hear in Analog and can hear the harshness of the digital conversion. This is why you are clueless. You spew a lot of meaningless techno babble.
Lockemeister 9 months ago
@Lockemeister Your non-scientific, empirical, says-me authority on the subject is about as impressive as a hemorrhoid. Grow up, get an education, and we'll talk...
moproducer 9 months ago
@moproducerIn source coding (analog-to-digital conversion and compression), the difference between the actual analog value and quantized digital value is called quantization error or quantization distortion. This error is either due to rounding or truncation. The error signal is sometimes considered as an additional random signal called quantization noise because of its stochastic behaviour.
PS..do you have any friends? are they jackasses like you?
Lockemeister 9 months ago
@Lockemeister End of discussion; if all you have left of your intellect is name-calling, than forget it. I don't have time for the likes of you.
moproducer 9 months ago
@moproducer youre the one who started the name calling. what exactly IS your problem.
how about the technical information and arguement I posted. Gave up on that huh? I figgured you would. It's a little beyonf you. Want to talk Nyquist theorems? I didn't think so.
Lockemeister 9 months ago
@Lockemeister They use 24 bit in the mixdowns. You and the other guy are both fucking wankers.
I have built (and designed) analogue and digital gear and conversion equipment.
Of course I prefer analogue but then you have to contend with its limitations also.
Digital is great for storage.
absolutelyfree1963 8 months ago
@moproducer Here's something simple to understand for a simple mind like yours. It;s from wikipedia, so you can understand it. "Analog advantages; It can be argued that analog formats retain some inherent advantages over digital formats. The relevance of these advantages depends on the quality of specific digital or analog equipment. The advantages of analog systems are summarised below:
Absence of aliasing distortion
Absence of quantization noise
Behaviour in overload conditions"
Lockemeister 9 months ago
@Lockemeister Like I said, get an education and we'll talk. In the academic world, we do not consider Wikipedia to be a subject matter authority (nor do we get our news from the National Enquirer). Your assertions do not even open the fundamentals of the topic.
moproducer 9 months ago
@moproducer Since you do not even know who I am, my academic or professional credentials (plus the reference to me as a "fucking wanker") I'll presume that you are the youngster that you appear to be. Grow up, get an education and then we'll be on equal footing to discuss this topic.
moproducer 8 months ago
@moproducer I built my first parametric equalizer in 1978 when I was 15, sunshine.
I have had a look at your channel and would you take the dummy out of your mouth when I am talking to you please? Good boy!
Don't you fret about MY footing, digger... same with that other wanker and his Nyquist theorems...
It's so easy to pretend to be an expert with the internet nowadays. Not so easy 30 years ago when I was designing and building my gear. Anyway, as you are both wankers, who gives a rats?
absolutelyfree1963 8 months ago
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absolutelyfree1963 8 months ago
@moproducer As far as your ear is concerned analogue is faithful if it meets frequency, phase and distortion parameters. You and the other guy are fucking wankers. Read what I wrote to him. I bet neither of you tools can even solder.
Peace.
absolutelyfree1963 8 months ago
@moproducer You are wrong on the distortion (even order sounds smoother than odd order).
Also there are dropped bits in any CD stamping which is not perfect but the error correction catches all but the worst of it. So CD is not perfect. But you need amazing transducers to pick it. Stax SR5 cans will.
But yeah digital is so crisp that people and speakers can have a hard time handling it.
But the output filters on CD players ring at 44kHz (that's filtering and hamming windows for you).
absolutelyfree1963 8 months ago
@MisterSteemy You are welcome to buy my collection of vinyl and the TT...
absolutelyfree1963 8 months ago
@moproducer Well at least you used a decent cartridge... and speakers.
And yeah you are right.
You can even hear print through on the occasional badly handled master tape
from the vinyl.
I liked the Sheffield Labs pressings though... ;-P
absolutelyfree1963 8 months ago
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absolutelyfree1963 8 months ago
@DandAinTac My sister and i totally just remember this mostly for the cover...
voxel486 1 year ago
@voxel486 it's an eye-searingly memorable one...
lijluvr356 1 year ago
Herb & The Boys can do no wrong! What a band! The greatest trumpet player of all time.
musicollector1975 1 year ago
@musicollector1975 These dudes were filthy players. Timing.... superb.
absolutelyfree1963 8 months ago
I always pictured this as the perfect car chase music for a 60s spy comedy. Set in Mexico, naturally.
ErictheTolle 1 year ago
0:39 through 0:43 is DA SHIT!!!~
zzdesolatezz 1 year ago
so many memories... mmmmm
zbopzzz 1 year ago
I wouldn't have ever known of this song in not for my 11th grade history teacher, Mr. Richard Johnson of Anson Senior High in Wadesboro, NC. One of the best teachers I ever had. R.I.P Mr. J.
campuspolice 1 year ago
Happy Birthday Herb!!! (75) 3-31-2010
cicastle 1 year ago
Good ol Herb Albert.
MrDamanster 2 years ago
Mhmm.... whipped cream! :D ♪♫♪♫
LoungeTom 2 years ago