HHO cell with Ultrasonic fogger

[bulletproof2353]

i dont get it does the fogger improve the electrolysis? and how coul it do tat if the electrodes are in the water and the atomized droplets of water are not getting the current, or are they? does the electricity actually flow in the fog? how much better efficiency do you get? its hard to see anythin in the video,as far as electrodes and setup

[NOBOX7]

very smart to use a pool chlorinater as an hho cell. as i like the transducer idea , did you test to see if it would destroy faom bubbles ? they are a problematic by product of all my torch cells, if a mesh or porous scrub pad doesnt work i may try to see if the fogger will pop foam bubbles

[m3sca1]

@NOBOX7 mate the best solution for the foaming problem is not use lye at all.Use oxalic acid brick cleaner and the dust from carborundum sand paper.The surface tension of the electrolyte wont allow the formation of foam

[NOBOX7]

@m3sca1 dam, i have about 500 grams of carborundum powder and i cant find it , its blueish powder and it is very dence it feals like lead powder

[m3sca1]

@NOBOX7 yeah heavy stuff.might be better to rub some 1200 grit paper together if your grain size is too big it will sink.Try to get the oxalic acid with it too,you dont need much !

[crudeoilsystems]

ultrasonics are amazing

[silentsofdogood]

Great idea, I have a ultrasonic transducer, plan to add it into my cell soon,thanks again. Passin'on info " have you seen Craig westbrook's videos yet they are a real eye opener.

[m3sca1]

@silentsofdogood yes i have spoken to Craig in detail and he implies that he has something that others do not.

also he spoke in terms of a vieled threat about patents and law suits,which got my back up since anything i have done is open source and on the net.

non faraday electrolysis has been achieved by many people and i did it with a simple PWM from a drill trigger and distilled water.

try it-dont use electrolyte and see what you get-try an electric scooter PWM.

let your cell resonate ;)

[marek0086]

@m3sca1~ better camera / less compression!!!

[WhiteJedi86]

Heeeelo dudes, heres some help to your experiments: use 660nm LED or LASER diodes or around 660 nm(resonanace frequency of water) and that will weaken the covalent bond between atoms :) blue light is not good :D ilts like 470nm if im not mistaken

[johnclord]

our dentist is now using a low powered ultrasonic water jet device for cleaning teeth, but I think I'd rather prefer the old style plaque scraping knife.

[UFOMAN618]

I am running an ionized cold mist fogger and a restricted tube to increase burn rate...little dicey., thinking of running hho now with it. It has different flashy lights lols.

[damanisdakila]

what is that thing for

[m3sca1]

@damanisdakila its a device used for making chlorine out of salty water in salt water pools-i used it to make HHO and mounted an ultrasonic fogger to the bottom to clear the bubbles in the water which become very cloudy with tiny bubbles.

it gets the bubbles to the top quicker

[damanisdakila]

oh ok dude thanks i thought it was used for marijuana plants it looks cool dude

[mzh3000]

hoyl crap those ultrasonic mist makers

my sister had a bowl with one

it hurt rlly bad to put yur finger in front

i put my ds pen in fron it now has alump on it -.-

[m3sca1]

not good for bones apparently-so putting your finger it isnt the bst idea-i did it and hurt to the bone!

[Zeddy100]

Would you still produce hydrogen if you the cell as a mist? Sorry if it's a dumb question but I hardly know anything about HHO, all I know is I'm getting shafted for the price of fuel and power in this country!

[Zeddy100]

Sorry, that's "if you fog the water first and then introduce it into the cell as a mist"

[bikr1975]

cool idea, though, would it be better to use some kind of electrical source that pulsates power (on and off), to produce then release the bubbles and possibly put a vaccuum on the generator to see if it will help speed up production???

but still, cool idea ;)

[2sillytube]

maybe light steam pressure at bottom as well (aquarium bubble stone?)

[JamesManimal]

I dont get it...

[hagesenjin]

Puharich notes three frequencies used to align H2O molecule along it's bonds, vibrate them and then let the high voltage current pull them apart. what frequency is the ultrasonic unit?

[kdcruz75]

in the radio spectrum of H-O_H bond ..

it has a torsional frequency, axial and rotational bond frequency ...

is the suggestion to resonate at one of these frequencies ..i would choose torsional

....and then pull them apart ...

its a bit like when u resonate engineering material ...cracks grow faster when the material is vibrated at its natural frequency because it has minimal damping and max energy absorption..in simple terms it is in a highly responsive state at resonance

[Cthrilla]

is the transducer in the actual cell?

[m3sca1]

in the electrolyte -under the cell

[blackle4ps3]

seemingly cells have even production under vacuum still surfing for HHO production under pressure

[AnimePlanet7]

One thing I have learned in my study of water separation is water must be 'charged' with enough energy before it can split. 1) Electrolisis (old way, most common way) 2) Heating 3) Radio waves 4) ultrasonics Sound (here)...but how do you run anything with it??Can you separate water mist fast enought to run an engine. Besides a mist should be easier to separate the a large body of water in a container...in theory!! Ok guys get to work on this! I would love to see a water powered jet engine.Soon!

[madnesscombat5]

water powered jet engine.. that would be AWSOME.

[jupy921]

Interesting application of a novel idea. Pretty darn Cool!

[1BustedMyth]

It looks like something straight out of the Delorian from back to the future!

I think the ultrasonics will get the bubbles to let go of the electrodes quicker, so therefore speed up production rate, as would vibrating the chamber, I've been interested in this myself. UV is my biggest area of interest at the moment.

[BlueEarthRising]

Brillant :-)

[Philldapill85]

This is a very good method! Makes alot of sense too...

[SpartanJose777]

Hrm... I can't hear the audio very well. Could you detail your findings, as they look rather interesting?

[michelemaxmax]

Good work.

How do you connect the transducer? directly to the battery?

[m3sca1]

no the transducer is running off a step down transformer from wall current

[RisingSun350]

Nice....build

[m3sca1]

it was a throw together of 2 off the shelf products-no building required.

the cell is from a salt water pool electrolysis chlorinator,with its requirred PWM and the ultrasonics is a pond fogger.

[BespokeGroupUK]

Absolutely fascinating discovery

[m3sca1]

watch the next vid-it doesnt increase the gas-only clears the water quicker...

[Den0Q]

I know this is and old video. I went through your videos and did not see if you had tried to put the fogger in the bottom of a cell with a small amount of water to see if the fog would produce hho. Thanks Denny

[onecraftydude]

Where did you inject the fog?

[m3sca1]

sorry my last comment with the word fog is misleading.

i said fog because thats how the water appears with the cell on.

cloudy or foggy.

the ultrasonic fogger isnt making fog-its too deep in the cell.

its shaking the water-making the bubbles come together mcuh quicker.

[MrCarbJB]

Looks like defogger would be a better name for it as it seems to be clearing more than fogging.

[onecraftydude]

Did you remove the video? Also, when you reply give me your e-mail so i can share some stuff with ya.

[Tsunne]

should put little stereos in the bottom of your cell and the bubbles could dance their way up.. but seriously i like this... and with all the bubbles getting out of your way you can see which surfaces are producing more gas and if you need to adjust your plates any

[m3sca1]

lol-dreamyear was using a music signal on the plate surface and had bubbles dancing...btw just using one transducer wont increase efficiency.

but yes you will be able to see in thru the fog.

ive seen hydrogen splitting with standing waves of ultrasonics,but the effect was small.

3 transducers tuned to different freq wouldbe more likely to work

[jcfdillon]

great

[TeslaLight]

Ultrasonics is what Meyer was doing. He placed the transducers (called bolts) in the bottom of the center cell. His circuit is a transducer driver circuit. He switched back and forth between current and higher voltage driver for transducer. Nice job.

[Lokivoid]

what you just described is not ultrasonic, sorry you basicly just described a poor mans PWM circuit. And for the record meyers was a con-artist.

[m3sca1]

the fogger is an ultrasonic device and has nothing to do with the PWM that is running the cell.

they are independant of each other.

the point of this is to clear the small bubbles from the electrolyte with sound vibrations that make the small bubbles coalesce into bigger ones.

[Lokivoid]

I was replying to "TeslaLight" post where he was describeing current from a Audio amplifers PWM ciruit being pumped directly into Electrolosis plates. This would generate nothing but radio whitenoise. it wouldnt generate anything within H2O's harmonic Ressoance range.

[m3sca1]

ah ok no worries-btw there should be 3 resonances in the water molecule.

so i reckon hitting with all 3 would work much better than just one or two.

[DarkDragoon83]

Dont forget, He was a con-artist who conned the United States Government into signing a contract in which they would build him a lab ( with staff ) to continue his research...........But seriously I'm pretty sure they would not have gone that far with him if he was just a Scammer

[Lokivoid]

Oh god dont start with the conspircy theory bullshit buddy. He was not contracted, He had no lab or staff. He was considered for a contract if his invention was found to work get it stright and dont twist the facts. (And no the goverment didnt kill him with a magical non-exsistent poison ether befor you start on that one aswell.)

[DarkDragoon83]

Your right, He didn't sign a contract with the government and he didn't have a research facility or staff. He died the night before he was to meet with them. He was going to get these things after the presentation of his latest design, which up to that point he was very secretive of and wouldn't allow people anywhere near it. You seem like a smart guy , do you really think one had nothing to do with the other?? History always repeats its self.....always

[setoman1]

is that a glowing dildo?

[m3sca1]

it can be if you got enough lube

[setoman1]

lolololol xD

[vespacurry]

Giday Mate. Very cool, I will try this and get back to you... have you done anything with large magnets??

[gammypage]

the musics annoying

[iam1lostboy]

i know, like..a porn flick from the 70s  lol

[ewmegoolies]

It was kind of dark in the video, but did the output seem to increase at all? Could you explain more about the transducer or give us a part number and store etc.? Nice, and I mean really nice effect if this is doing what you said it does.

[m3sca1]

ok check the video response i put up showing the results of with and without fogger.

the transducer is your standard off the shelf pond fogger type-its cheap crap made in china no brand or labels on it.

its got some LED's in it for pretty lights in the fog too.

ultrasonics need to be tuned to the cell for improving results.

and a pond fogger has no facility for tuning it.

ultrasonics can actually split water given the right set of frequencies.

ive seen it with standing waves.

[hopeitshappy]

what about pwm through the fogger?

would be cool to see

[m3sca1]

hmmm-good thought....

[YiuTeub]

Did you get anywhere with this? I was thinking the same but closer plates. did you get gas production or was the fog just collecting togeather ?

[aflacduky]

i have never done this i think i will check it out way to go mate!

[m3sca1]

check my other video on the response-it actually seemed to decrease output

[m3sca1]

but dont let that stop you trying.you see some weird effects with ultrasonics bouncing aound=]

[aflacduky]

ok thanks

[m3sca1]

i havent had time to measure gas output,or current draw yet.that will be next.stay posted

[ktservicescorp]

It would make sense that constantly "removing" the bubbles from the plates would create more contact with the electrolytic water. Do the amps increase though?

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[m3sca1]

i'll do some gas volumes on this...

[aflacduky]

i will set up my next cell and try this

[gagekko]

Very interesting! Please post some before/after results!