Dude, you complain so much about the dash when it is, if anything easier and smoother to navigate. The previous dash had more to do. You kept on referring to the 10.10 dash which was clunky at best, and wishing ubuntu would back track.
@calebking229 I was comparing it to the 10.04 version. Which is an LTS release. I do agree that this dash is better than the 11.04 dash, but I was talking about how they should improve it before the 12.04 release which is an LTS release. And I never said they should backtrack. I was only suggesting that when you make a change, it shouldn't be a step backwards, if they make a change that slows productivity down or makes it harder for new users, that's a change that shouldn't have happened.
From what i have seen in Mark Shuttleworth´s picture of the final look of unity the icons inside the dash are gonna look bigger just like in gnome shell!That should solve the problem of too many rows.
@ColdMascerader That does sound better than what they have now. I don't like the idea of having large icons on a large screen, but we'll just have to wait and see how it'll look.
@Ticha360 No, I really would love to use it now, but it's a beta. It crashed on me several times and there is a lot of bugs that still need to be worked out. But, on the bright side I think the final version will be released sometime in October. I don't know the specific date, but I know it'll be out soon.
I really do like the way Ubuntu 11.10 is heading, but I agree with you on ALL your points. I laughed when you were talking about the Games, because it's true! Especially the Sports...
And I think the file browsing of Applications still needs to be looked into.
~6.22 buddy, your problem is that you're relying on the mouse. Get. Off. The. Mouse. Seriously, your life will be be better. Super-A shortcut brings up your App Menu, then start typing the name of the program you want. It's a lot quicker than hunting through the Main Menu with your mouse in standard Gnome, both in terms of launching the actual program and in keeping your hands on the keyboard (which is where most people do their actual work).
@Flactivist Well, what happens if there is someone who has never used linux before tries this version out? Most programs on linux are not on windows or mac and if they are, most users don't use them. So these people have no idea what the applications they are looking for are called, what they look like, or where to find them. So they won't be able to search for an application that they don't know the name of. And the menu should be user friendly be it mouse or keyboard.
@vincejfismyname Beginning users are interested in music, web browsing, and email, and those programs are presented up front. And even just typing "Word Processing" or "Spreadsheet" in app search brings up LibreOffice Word and Calc, respectively. OTOH, who are these helpless novices who are partitioning hard drives and switching operating systems with no access to on-hand or online support? Nested menus conceal options and so are just as difficult, in their own way. Viva la launcher.
@Flactivist Have you ever installed ubuntu? The installer is designed to be easy to use without having any knowledge of what the word partition means. It asks if you want to install alongside another os or if you want to erase and install. Also, what about an oem install? And I do see your point in saying that the search works well, but most users would click on a picture they recognize rather than click on a name. Most people, generally, like pictures more than text.
@vincejfismyname The users at concern here are *not* going to install Ubuntu on their own. I have to hold their hands just to get them to install Dropbox, or Chrome! These people do not seek out live CDs (much less OEM Ubuntu machines), no matter how friendly the install process. But I assert that new Ubuntu users will warm to Unity the quickest, since they don't need to unlearn the old menu. iOS and Android users don't seem to have trouble navigating screens of app icons - they'll feel at home.
@Flactivist Well, there's a big difference between a desktop and an iOS and Android powered device. The reason the grid of applications work on iOS and Android is because they are on mobile devices that have low resolutions. Desktop computers nowadays have resolutions of 1366x768 and higher. Having a grid covering the entire screen on a 24 inch monitor would not be user friendly. It would give about 8-16 columns of applications instead of the 4 columns found on Android and iOS.
don't get me wrong Gnome 2.x is awesome.but ppl are afraid of change and they are stuck in there own ways.yes Unity sucks balls right now but 12.04 LTS is going to rock.these are all version one's it's sad to say but it is, but I think it's a right step they are taking even if they fork Gnome 2.x, it will only last for a while that gives the Gnome 2.x users maybe 4 years maybe 6 years before it's whipped from all desktops..I myself like Gnome 3 wayyy more than Unity..just have to be open minded
@Technoobzdotcom Um... I'm not complaining about unity. I really like the direction it's heading. Also I wan't saying that they shouldn't have that many applications. I was saying that the way they currently go about showing those applications is poor. If someone coming from windows, who has never used linux before, sees a wall of almost 100 pictures of applications they have never used before with no real way to tell which app does what it can be extremely overwhelming.
OMG ppl complain about this all the god damn time...your points have no standing.you say ppl will get over whelmed when coming from windows to this cause of the massive apps that is in the system..than lets let Ubuntu put no apps at all than ppl coming from windows will be retarded and never no what to install, whats the basic apps they need...plus they might just try to add windows apps not knowing they need WINE.most of the ppl who talk crap are old fuddy duddys that can't let go of gnome 2.x
what about picking out what your gonna use alot and make a folder w/ shortcuts in it like you can do in windows and have it on the desktop.
dave
BrushCountryJamboree 5 months ago
Dude, you complain so much about the dash when it is, if anything easier and smoother to navigate. The previous dash had more to do. You kept on referring to the 10.10 dash which was clunky at best, and wishing ubuntu would back track.
calebking229 5 months ago
@calebking229 I was comparing it to the 10.04 version. Which is an LTS release. I do agree that this dash is better than the 11.04 dash, but I was talking about how they should improve it before the 12.04 release which is an LTS release. And I never said they should backtrack. I was only suggesting that when you make a change, it shouldn't be a step backwards, if they make a change that slows productivity down or makes it harder for new users, that's a change that shouldn't have happened.
vincejfismyname 5 months ago
"10s"? lol
miasmablk 5 months ago
From what i have seen in Mark Shuttleworth´s picture of the final look of unity the icons inside the dash are gonna look bigger just like in gnome shell!That should solve the problem of too many rows.
ColdMascerader 5 months ago
@ColdMascerader That does sound better than what they have now. I don't like the idea of having large icons on a large screen, but we'll just have to wait and see how it'll look.
vincejfismyname 5 months ago
Great video! If you are going to be doing more of these, I'll definitely subscribe to you! :)
jrdnvasquez 5 months ago
too many clicks... you're right!
mrkstorm1 6 months ago
Is ubuntu 11.10 beta worth downloading right now?
I'm tempted to upgrade from 11.04 to 11.10 beta 1 right now.
Ticha360 6 months ago
@Ticha360 No, I really would love to use it now, but it's a beta. It crashed on me several times and there is a lot of bugs that still need to be worked out. But, on the bright side I think the final version will be released sometime in October. I don't know the specific date, but I know it'll be out soon.
vincejfismyname 6 months ago
@vincejfismyname Thanks for the info.
The release date is October 13th btw.
Ticha360 6 months ago
@Ticha360 No problem, and thank you, I can't wait for the new release.
vincejfismyname 6 months ago
@MrSimpleblue Why thank you, and I'll make sure to make some other videos. Maybe I'll do something about Gnome 3.
vincejfismyname 6 months ago
I really do like the way Ubuntu 11.10 is heading, but I agree with you on ALL your points. I laughed when you were talking about the Games, because it's true! Especially the Sports...
And I think the file browsing of Applications still needs to be looked into.
windowspczone 6 months ago
@windowspczone lol, the only really huge problem I think needs to be addressed as soon as possible is the main menu organization.
vincejfismyname 6 months ago
~6.22 buddy, your problem is that you're relying on the mouse. Get. Off. The. Mouse. Seriously, your life will be be better. Super-A shortcut brings up your App Menu, then start typing the name of the program you want. It's a lot quicker than hunting through the Main Menu with your mouse in standard Gnome, both in terms of launching the actual program and in keeping your hands on the keyboard (which is where most people do their actual work).
Flactivist 6 months ago
@Flactivist Well, what happens if there is someone who has never used linux before tries this version out? Most programs on linux are not on windows or mac and if they are, most users don't use them. So these people have no idea what the applications they are looking for are called, what they look like, or where to find them. So they won't be able to search for an application that they don't know the name of. And the menu should be user friendly be it mouse or keyboard.
vincejfismyname 6 months ago
@vincejfismyname Beginning users are interested in music, web browsing, and email, and those programs are presented up front. And even just typing "Word Processing" or "Spreadsheet" in app search brings up LibreOffice Word and Calc, respectively. OTOH, who are these helpless novices who are partitioning hard drives and switching operating systems with no access to on-hand or online support? Nested menus conceal options and so are just as difficult, in their own way. Viva la launcher.
Flactivist 6 months ago
@Flactivist Have you ever installed ubuntu? The installer is designed to be easy to use without having any knowledge of what the word partition means. It asks if you want to install alongside another os or if you want to erase and install. Also, what about an oem install? And I do see your point in saying that the search works well, but most users would click on a picture they recognize rather than click on a name. Most people, generally, like pictures more than text.
vincejfismyname 6 months ago
@vincejfismyname The users at concern here are *not* going to install Ubuntu on their own. I have to hold their hands just to get them to install Dropbox, or Chrome! These people do not seek out live CDs (much less OEM Ubuntu machines), no matter how friendly the install process. But I assert that new Ubuntu users will warm to Unity the quickest, since they don't need to unlearn the old menu. iOS and Android users don't seem to have trouble navigating screens of app icons - they'll feel at home.
Flactivist 6 months ago
@Flactivist Well, there's a big difference between a desktop and an iOS and Android powered device. The reason the grid of applications work on iOS and Android is because they are on mobile devices that have low resolutions. Desktop computers nowadays have resolutions of 1366x768 and higher. Having a grid covering the entire screen on a 24 inch monitor would not be user friendly. It would give about 8-16 columns of applications instead of the 4 columns found on Android and iOS.
vincejfismyname 6 months ago
don't get me wrong Gnome 2.x is awesome.but ppl are afraid of change and they are stuck in there own ways.yes Unity sucks balls right now but 12.04 LTS is going to rock.these are all version one's it's sad to say but it is, but I think it's a right step they are taking even if they fork Gnome 2.x, it will only last for a while that gives the Gnome 2.x users maybe 4 years maybe 6 years before it's whipped from all desktops..I myself like Gnome 3 wayyy more than Unity..just have to be open minded
Technoobzdotcom 6 months ago
@Technoobzdotcom Um... I'm not complaining about unity. I really like the direction it's heading. Also I wan't saying that they shouldn't have that many applications. I was saying that the way they currently go about showing those applications is poor. If someone coming from windows, who has never used linux before, sees a wall of almost 100 pictures of applications they have never used before with no real way to tell which app does what it can be extremely overwhelming.
vincejfismyname 6 months ago
OMG ppl complain about this all the god damn time...your points have no standing.you say ppl will get over whelmed when coming from windows to this cause of the massive apps that is in the system..than lets let Ubuntu put no apps at all than ppl coming from windows will be retarded and never no what to install, whats the basic apps they need...plus they might just try to add windows apps not knowing they need WINE.most of the ppl who talk crap are old fuddy duddys that can't let go of gnome 2.x
Technoobzdotcom 6 months ago
You always say stupid stuff~ Come around more often D< or let me know when you are coming down
PS you should write a script to read from x3
HiddenLeafNinjaLena 6 months ago
@HiddenLeafNinjaLena I'm not sure I understand the first part of this, but I do make general notes in my head for what I should touch upon.
vincejfismyname 6 months ago
@vincejfismyname cause you forgot me ):
HiddenLeafNinjaLena 5 months ago
Wow, i might actually switch from Linux Mint 11 to this when its released
Inuyasha2048 6 months ago
@Inuyasha2048 Well, that's good, they're not perfect yet but they are definitely getting there.
vincejfismyname 6 months ago
cool vid
Evilmoofinz101 6 months ago
@Evilmoofinz101 Thank you.
vincejfismyname 6 months ago