@TheCoolshortguy you can add Luta Libre and MMA to that equation. We have optional courses in those two for ground combat techniques (in addition to our regular KM training) over here...
as far as the JUdo and the wrestling its so much differnt in the cage. I have since changed all that. but again. Unless you have been in there its like tring to explain swiming to someone who hasnt felt the water
Maybe he should of learned a little judo...didn't have much depth in his take downs or throws...might as just strike if that's how ur take downs look.....
look there is so much involved now- Krav was closer to a true mixed style at the time- MMA is much more evolved now so are the mma programs in schools- for the exception of the Weapons and multible attackers - i think most mma programs are similar to krav- i for one side step knee to the head, its my favorite actually. ill train anything that works.- all BJJ is not the same either theres BJJ for sport and BJJ for MMA and BJJ for Self Defense- just depends what your intrest is.
@yanezbjj i love krav but i gotta say cqc got it beat if you use my style mine is 2 knives on held reverse blade out forward (closer to oppent) hand other straight reason is simple the cunjuntion while even my instructer could catch one id plant the other in his neck or kidneys even heart or spine couldnt figure out how to beat it
And what is this suppose to prove that krav maga is better than jujitsu...it can go either way in any fight. Theres all these fighting styles and people now are into mma. Cool. But there was a guy that did this a long time ago. Jeet kun do. He mixed fighting styles and was undefeated. He never got the full respect and attention he should have back then cuz he was asian. If he was still alive he would have much to say about mma. His name Bruce Lee.
@dipstickewew all this talk from someone who doesnt have a single grappling video..lol. tell u what im done wasting my time. but if u do care aboutlearning stuff u'd take my advice a research. u kbow so u dont look stupid. im dobe wasting time. merry christmas
@dipstickewew and who ever watch that lio documentarie on Gracie Batra would know where jiujitsu came from and how it was handed down to helio. bro u are not talkibg to an idiot. but plz go do ur research so u can stop insulting ur idols. bff is not gracie jj
@dipstickewew bro ur veryvery wrong. Helio started Gracie JiuJitsu. not bjj. BJJ was a name used to sell. to premote since gracie jiujitsu was the hot thing but they couldnt call it that because of trade mark. Gracie jiujitsu had elbows knees and all that good stuff. but bjj came aling and turned it into a sport. but dont take it from me do ur own research and educate ur self. gracie jiujitsu is not bjj
i was a purple belt in this fight not a black belt i trained 3 weeks against a striker for the bout. dude did hold fence and would had been a very diffenrt story had he not ( which he admitted) I was introduced to what a knee really can do! im a very big fan of knees and elbows now. After this fight i trained MMA turned my school from a BJJ school to a MMA school we had our first fight against the same school above Montrel Parker. MY MMA team went 106 wins and 33 loses in the first 2 years.
It doesn't get interesting until around 2:15, and he doesn't get knocked out. A knee to the side of the head isn't solely a Krav Maga move. Good hit though.
The actual KM defense to a double-leg takedown involves shoving fingers in the attacker's eyes and dropping a vertical elbow on the back of his neck, neither of which are legal in MMA. So no, the Krav Maga instructor wasn't exactly doing what you'd learn in the art.
This fight only proves that haphazard take down attempts will be stuffed by a competent striker. Most MMA fighters can do this. Also, most American BJJ focuses on sport and, that impacts their MMA skill. In Vale Tudo days, the Jiu-jitsu fighters used strikes to open up an opponent for take downs, submissions, etc. This guy was obviously a sport BJJ player.
You have to look at this as a sporting event, not a fight. Because in a fight, a failed shot to the legs is NOT something you hold on to. That guy could have taken all kinds of damage from elbows to the back of the neck or spine. But since it's not allowed in sports, for good reason, the bout goes on longer than a fight would have.
BJJ isn't too good unless you have another fighting style backing it up. Like Muay Thai from standing fight, and BJJ for the ground fight. Good combo.
Krav Maga is one of the best fighting system in the world but not designed for sport fighting with rules. I question the authenticity of the BJJ guys black belt, he didn't seem high level and I thought with rules he would win. this was a bad fight to watch.
@813Geane yes jiu jitsu is certainly sport grappling, and krav maga is definitely not a sport. but I wouldnt go as far as saying "JiuJitsu is combat!" I mean if anything Krav Maga is combat and JiuJitsu is well as you said a sport.
@FlowerAmongThorns No bjj is a Sport. JiuJItsu is combat. it was originated for battle. There is systems out there that show u how to use a knife while on the ground. Or how to avoid getting slammed on the ground. Kravmaga even uses Real JiuJitsu. I would do research on it b4 you make assumptions like that one. bjj is sport grappling. JiuJitsu was developed so that the smaller man would always have the advantage over a much bigger stronger opponent.
@813Geane Watch a Gracie fight and tell me BJJ was designed to be a sport. The Gracie family developed BJJ around the same time Lichtenfeld developed KM, and it was a combat art first and foremost. Watch the first UFC where Royce Gracie destroys everyone he comes up against and you'll see what I mean. A lot of people don't appreciate the true Gracie style any more, because you aren't likely to get a chance to submit before one of your limbs breaks. It is very brutal, and certainly not sporty.
@dipstickewew Let me explain this to you. YOU WATCH THE GRACIE FIGHT. THEY DO GRACIE JIUJITSU look it up it involves strikes and all that great stuff. BJJ is just like the water down version of Coka Cola. Trut me buddy I've trained and not only that but i make sure i know what I'm talking about. Its called Gracie JiuJitsu not brazilian. Since the graces were making all that bank people started calling it BJJ. just cuz they're brazilian. The Gracies were and still are the shit. DO UR RESEARCH!
@813Geane Wow, for a guy who thinks he knows what he is talking about, you haven't got a clue. Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu was adapted from Kodokan Judo by... brace yourself... Helio Gracie! Guess who Royce Gracie's daddy is? I'll give you a hint - his name starts with an 'H' and ends with an 'elio Gracie'. Safe to say Royce Gracie is practicing true BJJ, and whoever taught you was a bit of a chump. Gracie Jiu-Jitsu and Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu are the same damn thing.
this is coming from a guy who has no videos of any grappling or fighting videos.lol. plz sir enlighten me with all that nerdy knowledge..lol.Im sorry to burst ur bubble lil buddy.but what makes u an expert. U watch ufc on the weekends?lol.MMA and jiujitsu isn't just UFC.MMA has been around for centuries. JiuJitsu originated in Japan and was meant for Combat. No "here let me hold on to youre GI and let u punch me in the face while i do it"fuck it it was meant to bring u back home!
@813Geane BJJ is the way it is because Helio Gracie was too frail to perform a lot of the Kano Judo moves from which he created the style. It's not "watered down", it simply minimizes the stress on the BJJ practitioner. If you don't know the difference you aught not be talking about the subject. Also, no shit Jiu-Jitsu has been around a long time. Does that name sound Brazilian to you? It isn't a particular art either, but an umbrella term for hundereds of different styles.
@813Geane I am talking about BJJ and krav maga not JiuJitsu. sorry when u said JiuJitsu Im assuming ur meaning BJJ, there is so many forms of JiuJitsu, its like saying how many different types of Kung Fu. but yea anyways, all I meant was if you want combat training I would go for Krav Maga but if you want for sport then go BJJ. I base that opinion on the fact that the last place you want to be in a life threatening situation is on the ground, for a multitude of reasons. but I no what u mean now.
Just because someone says they are a BJJ fighter, doesn't mean anything. If he was knocked out, he violated the rules of distance management. He lost because his JIU-JITSU was flawed, not because the other guy was anything special or did anything that any Joe Shmoe couldn't do. If he was a BJJ guy and lost, he would have had to have been manipulated to the point of exhaustion and then exploited. NOT knocked out.
You can immediately tell who the Krav Maga practitioner is, because he backs himself into the wall and then pretty much controls the fight from there by controlling his opponent and wearing him down quickly.
4 guys really? shows the amount of ignorance pollutes you're brain. they're are way to many fMMA fighters with sick stand up. I think ur thinking boxing. cannot box in a MMA fight. you will get you're legs kicked from under you or easily taken down. They're is to many things that go into a MMA fight. You cannot base it on one thing only. My fights show stand up and I've set up my submissions with my stand up. all this and I'm still very VERY young in this sport.
@sarahsperfumes - Every martial art I have ever studied incorporates knees to the face. I'm not putting down KM. The "brand" you see in the US is basically an adaptation of other styles that are easy enough for new IDF recruits to learn quickly. I think there's a lot of hyperbole from its commercialization in the US. BJJ self defense (a la Helio Gracie) also incorporates knees to the head. I studied KM for years and if you think I'd handily beat a pro MMA fighter, think again.
What it MAY be like if you get in a street fight with an opponent who has some skills as well. Chances areit still goes nothing like it would in a cage.
My personal opinion is that most MMA is quite boring. I think boxing is a far more fun sport ot watch and I won't get into a debate on which sport is better. Apples and oranges to anyone who really knows what they're talking about. Take the better strikers in UFC and put them against Lennox Lewis, Ali, Tyson, Marciano, and they get wasted. The punches and kicks in UFC are so open because half the time they are getting ready to get taken down! The big benefit is it gives you a small idea of
@TheBoxingCannabyte You can't ignore the takedowns. Takedown defense is critical and really hinders your striking ability. Honestly, most of those legends of boxing would lose handily in the octagon if they didn't get the first strike in. There have been a few semi-successful boxers in MMA, but it is rare. Boxing just lacks the depth of MMA fighters. Awesome strikers, but they suck at the rest. MMA fighters would do well to train with boxers though, to improve striking.
give credit where its due,mma guys do get physcological benefits,they r used to being hit,dont panic when someones on top of them,arent easily intimidated but they r limited in a combat situation,where combat people have the techniques they dont have the mental toughness of mma,and streetfighters have been around ,understand the dirty tricks dept,so learn all three aspects-as for bjj reigns ,they have lost to jjj and judo,at a certain level its the man not the style
@bnsaints bas routen? Cro crop? Tai?... Are you sure you have experience atleast learn how to spell names correctly before you try to act tough. You seem like another pussy talking about how MMA fighters don't really "train" your such a dumbass I wish you lived close to me I would knock your ass out pick you up hip throw you armbar you break your fucking arm wait till you get back up and straight blast your ass (Jeet kune do). Name one fucking street fight you've actually seen that someone kick
If he's a KM instructor why is he there ? What for ? He is not using pure KM but his own fighting skills (independtly from where he got them) because if he had done so the "fight" would have bee finished in less than maximum 15 seconds. He would have striked his opponent's throat eyes and balls or got the fuck out of the cage if his opponing was avoiding him. Too many people get confused and mix Martial Arts, Combat/fight(ing) Sports and Self-Defense.
Actually for the last decade or soo pure BJJ or GJJ just does not cut it in the ring. I believe every champion in the ring in this past decade was mostly a striker who might dabble enough in Jui-Jitsu to avoid takedowns and avoid submissions.
Even a very experienced BJJ master will tell you that if your opponent has knowlege of the submissions and other aspects of BJJ that it's almost impossible to score a Sub if they turtle up.. which means you have to win by striking even on the ground
Why do you imbeciles all the BJJ is some new miracle. It is loaded with flaws and is impractical and in fact DANGEROUS to employ in most real world scenarios, it is an added tool for a well rounded fighter when the occasion (rare ) occurs to need to go to the ground or escape from the ground. MMA BJJ is GARBAGE that doesn't work in the street
@bnsaints - oh then what does work in the streets? bjj seems to work pretty well in the ring and that is the closest youre actually gonna get to a street fight
@JBurhenn253 Are you fucking INSANE? Seriously, are you? The ring of MMA is NOTHING close to the street. NOTHING. Rules, gloves, PUSSY referees that stop the fight the minute somebody is at a slight disadvantage. No spitting, biting, eye gouging, groin kicks, foot stomps, bottles, rocks, weapons, slippery bar room floors or icy sidewalks etc... It's one on one with a ref and rules. You fucking idiot, how could you say such a thing? And now it doesn't work, as there are NO BJJ only fighters and
@bnsaints Getting angry and shouting at people on youtube about stuff just proves you really don't know what your talking about. Maybe in theory yes. But you never know how people will react in the streets. A lot of MMA guys grew up in the streets. You have a point yes, it is different, but mma fighters are well trained and have insane stamina. If they aren't complete squares then a true fighter would be versed in all those illegal moves as well and would destroy you. You have little exp.
@kikme420 Typical MMA imbecile. Claiming I don't understand etc... I have more BJJ experience than you can fathom and you're incorrect. Go beat off to you Bas Routen poster you cool aide drinker.
@bnsaints For someone who has so much experience why are you so insistant in proving yourself on youtube? Your so blinded by rage you totally missed my point competely. Did I make you mad? Once again, I NEVER said MMA works int he streets. If you honestly are gonna sit here and try to agrue that mma doeswn't work but something else does you have never been in a real fight. In a real situation your instincts and experiences and what you ate in the morning have much more effect on Living/dying
@bnsaints And I am talking real world violence here not some drunken bar fight or two idiots talking shit to each other then monkey dancing to the ground. Name one time besides highschool you have ever been in a fair mutual fight with anyone. Its always someone punches you from behind or sucker punches you or pulls out a gun the moment you are not paying attention. Name one time someone on the streets says hey man lets fight and it actually happens and both guys are xperienced fighters. NEVER!
@bnsaints My point is, martial arts will not help you in real world violence. Only the discipline and awareness you gain from years of training in martial arts will help you. Most people unless their job is centered on violence like prison guards or swat/special military ops, do not have enough experience with real world violence to be able to not be affected by the chemical changes your body goes through when it knows its in danger.
@bnsaints Here is an example. After 4 months of JU-jitsu training, I had a bit of an ego, your typical mma wannabe. I stop a thief that stole from one of my stores. But instead of letting him go after he gave me my shit back I decided to detain him. The first thing he did was punch me in the face. Instantly, even though I have been in these situations before, my body when into auto pilot and I did the first thing it knew best, hip toss. Had no prob until his buddies punched me form behind.
@bnsaints What if they had a knife? Gun? My martial arts would have got me killed. Instincts and experiences are more important than martial arts skills in real world situations. You don't have time to prepare and things always come when you don't expect them. When this happens you freeze up or make stupid mistakes because you rely on what you think should work but then doesn't. MMA fighters fight alot and train alot. They have an edge but it wont save them if they can't keep an open mind.
@kikme420 Look up Urijah Faber - Indonesian incident. What you just said, happens. Faber is an awesome MMA fighter and he had to adapt quickly or he would have died vs the multiple opponents he faced.
@vamtheanomaly This is why I said MMA fighters have an advantage as far as personality type and experience. MOst of those guys probably had aggresive or hard upbringings, thats why a lot of the mma guys do what they do, its because thats what they know. MMA might not work in the streets but having lots of heart and being able to adapt to your opponents does. Good fighters learn to adapt to there opponents and maintain a calm attidude in the heat of battle. MMA will not save you, you will.
@vamtheanomaly Though it is true mma training cannot prepare you for real life/death situations, the reality of you being robbed or w/e by someone who has loads of exp and training in real combat is slim to none. Therefor the original point being either you will avoid the situation completely because you were aware or you will get takin by surprise. There are a few people though who will intentially put themselves in those situations. DO NOT FUCK WITH THEM! They are CRAZY
@bnsaints And I just checked all my posts and dont see any where I messaged you or said anything rude to you so I dont understand your reply. Also why are they phony martial arts? Lastly if you want to "know what the fuck im going on about" read the whole dialogue exchange with me and other users....
@vamtheanomaly It was originally at me. Bnsaints has a point, but he generalizes all mma fighters in the same category. This is what happens when ego gets in the way. He is potentially underestimating his "enemy" and assuming all mma fighters are the same. Doing this in a real situation, lets say, "Oh ya he is just a street thug, he aint gonna do shit." could possibly get you stabbed or shot. Men who have something to prove tend to be unpredictable. I fear a coward over a warrior.
@bnsaints Being able to remain calm and think is much more important then special techniques made for the streets. Who cares what kind of moves I know If I can't use them efficiently. Anyone can throw a punch, but can you throw a punch accurately and effectively when it really counts. Does it really matter what the punch looks like, what style it is? Or does it matter that I connect to the attackers throat instead of his face if he has a gun pointed at me.
@ My point to you is that in fact MMA guys do not "train " a lot. the phony train, real training involves risk, like military live fire drills. Sparring some jack ass in a tap out tee shirt or dry humping your gracie instructor 3 times a week is not training, and in fact in some cases not only doesn't give you an advantage it gives you a false sense of confidence as you so aptly stated happened to you. I think you and I are much closer in our opinion that these stupid dialogue boxes have allowed
@bnsaints We are... I agree with you completely. But not many people have the luxury, expecially in America, to go through these types of trainings. I was in the marines and marine corp mcmap is literally a crappy version of basic mma training with some knife techniques thrown in. As you said, being around real danger is a much better teacher than learning how to ring fight. I had to learn the hard way, but now I have more experience to go by because my ego got me into a lot of shit.
@bnsaints But as I said. A true martial artist, And the guys who do mma that far exceed the norm, those guys cross train and have probably been through a lot of real world shit growing up. I like mma, I don't care for all the commercial bullcrap but just because I would like to ring fight doesn't mean I can't handle myself in the streets. I takes a lot of discipline for someone to get good at martial arts and discipline is a key factor in survival. So a true fighter does have an advantage.
@kikme420 You are right about the train alot, they train alot in the wrong ways. Thats why I do wing chun. It teaches you how to think and remain calm in fights. Its all about better positioning and learning how to control your emotions. But in all honesty it comes down to the teacher. So many people are stuck on styles and techniques they forget to tell you how to think effectively and most don't have any real experience just bullshit competition.
@kikme420 I dont know if you like Bruce Lee or not, but thats exactly what he says in the "Toa of Jeet June Do". His quote was similar to yours. "So many people are stuck on styles and techniques they forget to tell you how to think effectively and most don't have any real experience just bullshit competition
@JBurhenn253 the one or two that still adhere to it are getting moped up. It is like saying you took boxing lessons and you think you can survive only using a jab. BJJ has limited use, it is something to have in the bag of tricks it is not the bag. It is over hyped shit that has so few real world applications its like snake oil. Case in point, the next time I see a guy in the MMA be allowed to punch a guy in the balls when he is in a triangle choke and or bite the leg of the opponent and it is
@JBurhenn253 allowed and the guy still holds on to the hold, you'll have a point, don't tell me that fairy shit in the MMA is like a real fight, it has so many candy ass rules its absurd. It is nothing close to the real thing. Unless in the real world you aren't allowed to kick your opponent when he is on the ground, or not head but him, or thumb his eye etc... grow up, stop beating off to your Cro Crop poster kid.
@bnsaints As I said, no serious mma fighter just limits themself to one method of combat. They might prefer certain things in the ring but that doesn't mean they are useless in real life. Lets be honest, how many real life, life or death, situations have you been in recently? Or anyone for that matter. This isn't ancient china. So unless you are security or a police officer or some swat baddass or prison guard...I highly dought you have any true experience in REAL world violence.
Yep another typical mma ass hat. You gays all preach theoretical. You have no idea of real world concepts and neither do most MMA fags. If they spent half as much time "fighting for real" as they do tanning, buying tap out tee shirts and roiding they might be able to survive and to your absurd point about one discipline, look at the UFC for fuck sake. They announce their styles, BJJ or M Tai with some BJJ almost NOBODY is a well rounded fighter and their striking suckSSSS
@bnsaints When did I say anything about how real mma is? I take wing chun, one of the most laughed at martial arts in the world. I have done mma as well, but that has nothing to do with my point. If anything I was kinda helping your point. MMA doesn;t work in the streets, yet someone with training and the personality of a fighter stands a better chance on the streets in a real situation then a person with no experience and no heart.
@bnsaints, I cannot agree more. I've been a boxer for a long time now (though I'm only 25, but in boxing years I'm "middle-aged"), I suffered a severe spine injury 4 years ago, was told I'd never fight again. I'm about 5 months into a comeback, have had one fight, I won. But what has really helped me out is training in Krav MAga, Wing Chung, and kali. I could only do so much at first, but hte wing chung really toned me out a LOT quicker than I thought! I haven't lost the gutweight but..
@bnsaints, my shoulders are huge and my arms are getting solid again. All while eating on an irregular diet due to money contraints. Three weeks ago I had an attempted mugging and was slashed on the side. I side-stepped it (though not quick enough, obviously) and disarmed the attacker+dislocated his hsoulder,he had 3 inches and maybe 20 lbs on me (I'm 6'2 230, my fighting weight is 205-210), his buddy was smaller and not into it like he was. I kicked his friend, then continued to box him up.
@bnsaints, then I ran like a wee girl! No doubt I was scared. I didn't realize how badly I was bleeding at first either but I knew I was had been hit. I was more scared than in all 40 matches I've been in combined-minus the first time-All in all I'd say I came off looking decent and successfully defended myself and escaped a situation which most who get into martial arts that have a level head never hope to get into, but prepare for constantly. It was dark, ugly, but my style remained tight.
@813Geane Yeah and with the exception of about 4 guys their striking ability is pathetic, its like watching two fat trailer park chicks slap fight in a laundromat. I have never in 25 years of practicing martial arts, wrestling, and cqb techniques seen more pathetic punching and striking than I have in the MMA. Most of you MMA guys should be FLAT OUT ASHAMED AND EMBARRASSED.
@bnsaints Well i have a few fights where you only see me doing stand up and clinch.
nd i was never under any real trouble while fighting wrestlers and thai guys.nd if you go in there to box you will get taken down or get the legs kicked from under you.I also do Kali stick fighting and Knife fighting along with combatives it helps open that hunger and explosiveness.nd i am also very very young in this sport. but unlike all these idiots i know that there is a lot more to a fight than just punching
@813Geane I'm also going to clue you in on something else. BJJ and MMA guys all assume that just because they think they know how to do take downs that they will 1005 "take somebody off their feet". It shows the unrealistic arrogance of most BJJ and MMA practitioners. BJJ is snake oil, its bull shit.
@bnsaints Oh and i also train Kali, Knife fighting and combatives. to ignite that flame in my eyes that makes me go after my opponent. That kill mentality. And all that has helped me beat wrestlers and thai fighters i have videos. take a look for ur self
@813Geane no need as I believe that the Filipino arts have the most practical application to real word combatives. I am not saying that they are the best but I am saying that those arts have much more practical application than does this phony MMA shit. If you want to market gay tattoos and even dumber "tapout" shirts that MMA is your shit. If you want asinine blue gees and purple belts do BJJ, if you want to survive an attack, do some homework and find a better art or multiple arts
@bnsaints I do not practice BJJ. i am actually pretty against it because in my eyes its the watered down version of JiuJitsu. BJJ=Sport. JiuJitsu=combative. and i do not believe in belt systems. we always say around my gym. Punch him once in the face and that blackbelt goes out the window. I've gone to many tournaments and faced browns and purples but i always beat them. and I'm only a blue belt. why? because i don't have the belt system bs that they sell to you so they make money on my head.
I do Jujitsu... And it depends on what you're doing it for... BJJ is way better for ring fighting, and original unchanged Jujitsu is better if you're rolling around or clinched on the battle field with another fully armored Samurai and are both armed with a Spear, Katana and dagger... It just depends on what you personally like. Original Jujitsu is fun and cool, and very historical, BJJ is based on one on one fighting under specific rules for this day and age.
@813Geane Come to Brazil and try beating real Brazilians at real Brazilian Jujitsu, instead of pussy Americans who hand out belts to keep a business who call themselves BJJ blackbelts.
@myloveforMMA Listen all i know is that u can be this amazing "BJJ" grappler but I'm not gonna grapple you. Im gonna elbow you in the eye till it practically falls out. my JiuJitsu will save my life in a street fight agaisnt someone thats bigger than me. All these idiost that talk about BJJ are the same ones that wear TapOut and UFC shirts. BJJ is a Sport. Is grappling. Real JiuJitsu will save you from a real fight with no rules.
@myloveforMMA If i get caught in a arm bar and my arm gets broken Ima slip out and poke ur neck with the bone thats sticking out. thats why u see all these abudabi champs from brazil get their asses kicked by american fighters. Because they try to do SPORT JIUJITSU "BJJ". Isntead of doing what jiujitsu was intended for. COMBAT
@813Geane Okay well without trying to get personal, I grew up in the streets of Brazil, I have three stab scars in my chest, and I've been to prison. Not only do I do BJJ, but I am a professional MMA fighter climbing up the ranks. I have been doing Muay Thai for 8 years now. What makes you think, that with my superior strength and speed and body control, I wont bite your throat out in the street easier than you could possibly hope to do it? I'm a viscous ex-felon who joined the militry
@myloveforMMA Ok for mister grew up in Brazil. I spent most of my living years in Colombia. And lived in Medellin for a while as well. I don't do BJJ cuz its garbage and just a name. I am also a proffecional fighter climbing up the ranks i am a 135lb so i have you beat on speed and as for u trying to bite of my throat.. I'd have to say no can do. because in the cage i can't do most of the things i know how to do. But in a street fight Im gonna go for you're eyes, Balls, throat and much much more
@myloveforMMA Oh and i actually have videos to back up my talking unlike someone here. for all i know ur probably just a fat lil american boy that has the brazilians dick so far up his as that he can't live a moment without moaning "BJJ" i've said it once and ill say it again. the best thing out of brazil are their woman=]
@813Geane No I am not some fat American White pussy like you who thinks he can stab people with his bone fragment wannabe Jason Bournce fagot lol. You have no videos on your page, I jsut clicked it, so PM me some videos then. If you're a up and coming fighter like me, you must stop by the LA aream sometime, PM me and I'll meet you in a park or street wherever. No way in hell some 135lb short shit fag who thinks grappling is gay is gonna beat a 205 MMA fighter whou would kill.
@myloveforMMA LOL.. never said anything about grappling being gay. I've said over and over again JiuJitsu is the shit. BJJ is a sport. And yes look up 813Geane on the search bar you will see me destroying a 255 6'6 dude on the absolute grappling tournament..lol. so yeah bro I'm not worried about size. thats the 1st mistake people make. and how dare you call me white..lol. Im Colombian! look my shit up man. U have nothing to prove what ur calming i do
@813Geane You hypocritical bitch, first you called me a white American when I am not, but when I do it to you, somehow it's such an insult. You destroyed a nobody, a cheap grappling tournament with crap grapplers. If you think judging by size is a mistake, then I tell you the same thing, you think because I am bigger I'm slower? Anderson Silva is 220 naturally and he is faster than you and me. PM when you hit the LA area you "bad ass" lol. You wont though, you know you wont.
@myloveforMMA I was joking i could care less what you call me..lol. life is to short to stress idiots like u. and thats so funny because it took place in FL. and if u watch the rest of them u'd see that they're good grapplers. and that was way b4 i even got serious with my grappling. So once again I'm proving shit and ur not..lol. Whats ur record anyways? and why go to CA if some of the best gyms are right here. that and i got no money. all i do is train i don't even have time for a job.
@myloveforMMA Ur probably a middle aging man so i pity you my friend. I honestly feel sorry for you. life hasn't been easy for u my friend. so ill pray for you. When u have proof feel free to show me. oh and btw that grappling tournament had over 1000 grapplers=] and that was absolute.
@813Geane Really? That many people hu? Over one thousand grapplers? Which one was it? :D If it was that big your name should be on the competition record. Middle age? I am just 20. I think you're bringing all your insecurities to me. What do you want proof of, want my facebook?
@myloveforMMA Listen dude ur garbage ur sitting here telling me all this hype about ur gym when a few min ago u had a brazilians dick so far up you're ass. So make up ur mind u confused little girl. and of course there is u moron. there isn't any grappling events where they aren't sectioned. but I'm done wasting my time with a fool. and notice how u dint tell me what ur record waslmao!I'm done wasting my time with u. ur nothing but a liar. So write what u want I'm done wasting time on ur fat ass
@813Geane You're confusing me with other people talking shit to you. I never once told you the gym I fight from. I am Brazilian, so naturally I'd have my dick up my own ass about how proud I am of my people. I told you to PM when you get to LA, if you're anything worth as a fighter, you'll have to stop by the LA area sometime in your career, my offer still stands, hit me up you little bitch. I'd love to tear your little ass a new one, lets see you stab me with your bone fragments lol
@floppykid Same goes for you pussy shit talkers, If even half of the shit talkers on MMA videos practiced MMA, we'd have professionals all over the world LOL. Seriously, unless you compete professionally, you shouldn't be opening your mouth and saying shit you wouldn't say to an actual fighters face. You're nothing but a fan, and a bad fan at that, of combat sports. You don't fight everyday, or at all I am sure. Fucking pussy.
@bnsaints and to me it sounds like you are describing the Jersey Shore cast..lol. but on the real they're are many MANY FUCKING POSERS out there. the tap out shirt. the UFC shirt. That attitude that they think they can pick a fight just because they watch MMA. but a true mixed martial artist doesnt need to act this way. I know who i am and i know what i know. so i don't go around looking at people wrong or anything. In fact i walk around with a huge smile.
@bnsaints I love taking bits and pieces and combining from different arts to make a solid combative fighting system that will work for ME. i don't blame you for the views you may have on this beautiful sport. To many little penis syndrome idiots out there. that pick a fight for no reason. or abuse what they know. We get those idiots at our gym. and they can't last. Not one week. they're aren't real fighters at heart. and thats what it comes down to. Heart not many people have that.
@bnsaints 99% of fights that start in bars or on the streets are either because two idiots were fucked up on something and started going at it (monkey dance). Or because he is trying to defend himself against getting jumped or robbed. Have you ever been in a real fight sober? Anyone with real experience aviods these situations with ease. It is human nature to want to avoid conflict, Unless were fucked up or realllllllllyyyyy angry.
@bnsaints Real world violence happens in a second and is usually very quick and extremelt aggresive with no warning. In a real situation either you would be knocked out/killed before you knew it or you would avoid it completely. You don't just pick and choose. No amount of martial arts can prepare you for that. Only instinct and awareness matter here. . So unless you have rigorous exp in the different chemical changes your body goes through in life/death sit., then you kung fu will not help you.
I was actually at this fight and the BJJ guy was Mike Yanez a black belt under Pablo Popovitch, look him up. The other guy was a Krav Maga instructor at this place called Core Combat Sports.
During the first 2/3 of the fight, a couple of swift sharp elbow strikes either side of the spine would have paralyzed Yanez. If the only thing protecting you from being devastated by your opponent is the "rules"..... then it's a game or a sport, not a martial art cage match. It's clear to me that Yanez wasn't expecting a real fight and was overmatched totally.
That was horse poop!
No BJJ & No Krav Maga!
All that crap aside.
I'm sure Mike Tyson could get knocked out by a plumber if the circumstances were right.
aaronfu2 6 hours ago
there is no BJJ or Krav Maga about this, its simply a crap cage fight!
Northernfreefighters 16 hours ago
He obviously bought his blackbelt when he bought his last gi
Theerhino36 1 day ago
BJJ*
malsahth 5 days ago
BBJ black belt? Useless sack of shit more like...
malsahth 5 days ago
krav maga using no krav maga techniques?
samduffield 6 days ago
made me chuckle hard at 2:15
TheCoolshortguy 1 week ago
at 1:58, if the Krav guy knew any bjj, he could have possibly finished the guy.
Traceur276 1 week ago
anyone can knee someone in the face...
TheMangoMangoMango 3 weeks ago
@TheMangoMangoMango I doubt that. But anyway, it's actually "No groin, no Krav Maga!"
BlueCougar 6 days ago
@TheMangoMangoMango haha i agree lol
samduffield 6 days ago
That was a lame fight
whitewhiteboy89 1 month ago
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Muay Thai + BJJ > Krav Maga
iGreekSalad 1 month ago
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Muay Thai + BJJ > Krav Maga
iGreekSalad 1 month ago
Muay Thai + BJJ > Krav Maga
iGreekSalad 1 month ago
@iGreekSalad not muay Thai+regular jujitsu+western boxing+ western wrestling+ street fighting=krav maga
TheCoolshortguy 1 week ago
@TheCoolshortguy you can add Luta Libre and MMA to that equation. We have optional courses in those two for ground combat techniques (in addition to our regular KM training) over here...
BlueCougar 6 days ago
as far as the JUdo and the wrestling its so much differnt in the cage. I have since changed all that. but again. Unless you have been in there its like tring to explain swiming to someone who hasnt felt the water
yanezbjj 1 month ago
is it iilegal in MMA to elbow down on the back?
krishblake1989 1 month ago
maybe they both should've learned a little wrestling lol
etagged 1 month ago 6
Maybe he should of learned a little judo...didn't have much depth in his take downs or throws...might as just strike if that's how ur take downs look.....
str8bigr1 1 month ago
look there is so much involved now- Krav was closer to a true mixed style at the time- MMA is much more evolved now so are the mma programs in schools- for the exception of the Weapons and multible attackers - i think most mma programs are similar to krav- i for one side step knee to the head, its my favorite actually. ill train anything that works.- all BJJ is not the same either theres BJJ for sport and BJJ for MMA and BJJ for Self Defense- just depends what your intrest is.
yanezbjj 1 month ago
@yanezbjj i love krav but i gotta say cqc got it beat if you use my style mine is 2 knives on held reverse blade out forward (closer to oppent) hand other straight reason is simple the cunjuntion while even my instructer could catch one id plant the other in his neck or kidneys even heart or spine couldnt figure out how to beat it
ghost5604 1 month ago
And what is this suppose to prove that krav maga is better than jujitsu...it can go either way in any fight. Theres all these fighting styles and people now are into mma. Cool. But there was a guy that did this a long time ago. Jeet kun do. He mixed fighting styles and was undefeated. He never got the full respect and attention he should have back then cuz he was asian. If he was still alive he would have much to say about mma. His name Bruce Lee.
nismofury 1 month ago
@dipstickewew all this talk from someone who doesnt have a single grappling video..lol. tell u what im done wasting my time. but if u do care aboutlearning stuff u'd take my advice a research. u kbow so u dont look stupid. im dobe wasting time. merry christmas
813Geane 2 months ago
@dipstickewew and who ever watch that lio documentarie on Gracie Batra would know where jiujitsu came from and how it was handed down to helio. bro u are not talkibg to an idiot. but plz go do ur research so u can stop insulting ur idols. bff is not gracie jj
813Geane 2 months ago
@dipstickewew bro ur veryvery wrong. Helio started Gracie JiuJitsu. not bjj. BJJ was a name used to sell. to premote since gracie jiujitsu was the hot thing but they couldnt call it that because of trade mark. Gracie jiujitsu had elbows knees and all that good stuff. but bjj came aling and turned it into a sport. but dont take it from me do ur own research and educate ur self. gracie jiujitsu is not bjj
813Geane 2 months ago
a knee actually
yanezbjj 2 months ago
the bjj guy just couldn't take a punch
codydorman420 2 months ago
@MMACHMP his name is mike yanez a black belt under pablo popavich
813Geane 2 months ago
@813Geane Yanez just said he was a purple belt in that match, not a black belt. Apparently he is a black belt now.
dipstickewew 2 months ago
No way in hell that guy is a BJJ black belt.
MMACHMP 2 months ago
@MMACHMP He's put out a bunch of good fighters with good jiujitsu
813Geane 2 months ago
@MMACHMP purple with no mma in 2006
yanezbjj 2 months ago
both great styls but the guy didn't know what tha fuck he was doing in there
alexgatillofull 2 months ago
i was a purple belt in this fight not a black belt i trained 3 weeks against a striker for the bout. dude did hold fence and would had been a very diffenrt story had he not ( which he admitted) I was introduced to what a knee really can do! im a very big fan of knees and elbows now. After this fight i trained MMA turned my school from a BJJ school to a MMA school we had our first fight against the same school above Montrel Parker. MY MMA team went 106 wins and 33 loses in the first 2 years.
yanezbjj 2 months ago
It doesn't get interesting until around 2:15, and he doesn't get knocked out. A knee to the side of the head isn't solely a Krav Maga move. Good hit though.
vigodagod 2 months ago
The actual KM defense to a double-leg takedown involves shoving fingers in the attacker's eyes and dropping a vertical elbow on the back of his neck, neither of which are legal in MMA. So no, the Krav Maga instructor wasn't exactly doing what you'd learn in the art.
antidoto 2 months ago
krav maga is where its at
ciscokidseven 2 months ago
in fairness, the bloke who lost, was particulary shit though.
oliveguss 2 months ago
the krav maga instructor was actin like punk holdin on to the fence while the brazilian jiu jitsu guy was trying to take him down.
yongronny 2 months ago
This fight only proves that haphazard take down attempts will be stuffed by a competent striker. Most MMA fighters can do this. Also, most American BJJ focuses on sport and, that impacts their MMA skill. In Vale Tudo days, the Jiu-jitsu fighters used strikes to open up an opponent for take downs, submissions, etc. This guy was obviously a sport BJJ player.
MrPotatoesLatkie 2 months ago
You have to look at this as a sporting event, not a fight. Because in a fight, a failed shot to the legs is NOT something you hold on to. That guy could have taken all kinds of damage from elbows to the back of the neck or spine. But since it's not allowed in sports, for good reason, the bout goes on longer than a fight would have.
BurtonJisaSac 2 months ago
bbj guys dont know the striking game!!
You can grapple till you blue, but add the punches to the face is a different level.
drinktillwerefunny 2 months ago
he didnt get points deducted for grabbing the cage?
lmcd52 2 months ago
Oops! wrong vid.
traumahawk517 2 months ago
You must be aware of your surroundings at all times in a street fight
traumahawk517 2 months ago
Oh Man! That was great!!
traumahawk517 2 months ago
lol the BJJ guy REALLY wanted that double leg. shoulda let it go
GreenGold33 2 months ago
BJJ isn't too good unless you have another fighting style backing it up. Like Muay Thai from standing fight, and BJJ for the ground fight. Good combo.
KingRaaa95 2 months ago
Krav Maga is one of the best fighting system in the world but not designed for sport fighting with rules. I question the authenticity of the BJJ guys black belt, he didn't seem high level and I thought with rules he would win. this was a bad fight to watch.
FlowerAmongThorns 2 months ago 8
@FlowerAmongThorns He's a black belt under pablo papovich. Hi's name is mike yanez.
But u said it you're self Krav Maga isn't a sport. BJJ is sport grappling. JiuJitsu is combat!
813Geane 2 months ago
@813Geane yes jiu jitsu is certainly sport grappling, and krav maga is definitely not a sport. but I wouldnt go as far as saying "JiuJitsu is combat!" I mean if anything Krav Maga is combat and JiuJitsu is well as you said a sport.
FlowerAmongThorns 2 months ago
@FlowerAmongThorns No bjj is a Sport. JiuJItsu is combat. it was originated for battle. There is systems out there that show u how to use a knife while on the ground. Or how to avoid getting slammed on the ground. Kravmaga even uses Real JiuJitsu. I would do research on it b4 you make assumptions like that one. bjj is sport grappling. JiuJitsu was developed so that the smaller man would always have the advantage over a much bigger stronger opponent.
813Geane 2 months ago
@813Geane Watch a Gracie fight and tell me BJJ was designed to be a sport. The Gracie family developed BJJ around the same time Lichtenfeld developed KM, and it was a combat art first and foremost. Watch the first UFC where Royce Gracie destroys everyone he comes up against and you'll see what I mean. A lot of people don't appreciate the true Gracie style any more, because you aren't likely to get a chance to submit before one of your limbs breaks. It is very brutal, and certainly not sporty.
dipstickewew 2 months ago
@dipstickewew Let me explain this to you. YOU WATCH THE GRACIE FIGHT. THEY DO GRACIE JIUJITSU look it up it involves strikes and all that great stuff. BJJ is just like the water down version of Coka Cola. Trut me buddy I've trained and not only that but i make sure i know what I'm talking about. Its called Gracie JiuJitsu not brazilian. Since the graces were making all that bank people started calling it BJJ. just cuz they're brazilian. The Gracies were and still are the shit. DO UR RESEARCH!
813Geane 2 months ago
@813Geane Wow, for a guy who thinks he knows what he is talking about, you haven't got a clue. Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu was adapted from Kodokan Judo by... brace yourself... Helio Gracie! Guess who Royce Gracie's daddy is? I'll give you a hint - his name starts with an 'H' and ends with an 'elio Gracie'. Safe to say Royce Gracie is practicing true BJJ, and whoever taught you was a bit of a chump. Gracie Jiu-Jitsu and Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu are the same damn thing.
dipstickewew 2 months ago
@dipstickewew Oh and JiuJitsu was around WAYYYYYYY b4 the brazilians got a hold of it and began to water it down.
813Geane 2 months ago
@813Geane you don't know what you're talking about
FutureOneMark 2 months ago
@FutureOneMark
this is coming from a guy who has no videos of any grappling or fighting videos.lol. plz sir enlighten me with all that nerdy knowledge..lol.Im sorry to burst ur bubble lil buddy.but what makes u an expert. U watch ufc on the weekends?lol.MMA and jiujitsu isn't just UFC.MMA has been around for centuries. JiuJitsu originated in Japan and was meant for Combat. No "here let me hold on to youre GI and let u punch me in the face while i do it"fuck it it was meant to bring u back home!
813Geane 2 months ago
@FutureOneMark BJJ is an amazing beautiful sport. Not saying anything bad about it. But real jiujitsu will save ur life.
813Geane 2 months ago
@813Geane BJJ is the way it is because Helio Gracie was too frail to perform a lot of the Kano Judo moves from which he created the style. It's not "watered down", it simply minimizes the stress on the BJJ practitioner. If you don't know the difference you aught not be talking about the subject. Also, no shit Jiu-Jitsu has been around a long time. Does that name sound Brazilian to you? It isn't a particular art either, but an umbrella term for hundereds of different styles.
dipstickewew 2 months ago
@813Geane I am talking about BJJ and krav maga not JiuJitsu. sorry when u said JiuJitsu Im assuming ur meaning BJJ, there is so many forms of JiuJitsu, its like saying how many different types of Kung Fu. but yea anyways, all I meant was if you want combat training I would go for Krav Maga but if you want for sport then go BJJ. I base that opinion on the fact that the last place you want to be in a life threatening situation is on the ground, for a multitude of reasons. but I no what u mean now.
FlowerAmongThorns 2 months ago
Just because someone says they are a BJJ fighter, doesn't mean anything. If he was knocked out, he violated the rules of distance management. He lost because his JIU-JITSU was flawed, not because the other guy was anything special or did anything that any Joe Shmoe couldn't do. If he was a BJJ guy and lost, he would have had to have been manipulated to the point of exhaustion and then exploited. NOT knocked out.
JoeyMcPeace 2 months ago
You can immediately tell who the Krav Maga practitioner is, because he backs himself into the wall and then pretty much controls the fight from there by controlling his opponent and wearing him down quickly.
powerone10 2 months ago
4 guys really? shows the amount of ignorance pollutes you're brain. they're are way to many fMMA fighters with sick stand up. I think ur thinking boxing. cannot box in a MMA fight. you will get you're legs kicked from under you or easily taken down. They're is to many things that go into a MMA fight. You cannot base it on one thing only. My fights show stand up and I've set up my submissions with my stand up. all this and I'm still very VERY young in this sport.
813Geane 2 months ago
Maybe he's a Krav Maga instructor, but there was no Krav Maga in that MMA fight.
adaptiveagile 2 months ago
@adaptiveagile Actually the knee to the face was Krav Maga
sarahsperfumes 2 months ago
@sarahsperfumes - Every martial art I have ever studied incorporates knees to the face. I'm not putting down KM. The "brand" you see in the US is basically an adaptation of other styles that are easy enough for new IDF recruits to learn quickly. I think there's a lot of hyperbole from its commercialization in the US. BJJ self defense (a la Helio Gracie) also incorporates knees to the head. I studied KM for years and if you think I'd handily beat a pro MMA fighter, think again.
adaptiveagile 2 months ago
What it MAY be like if you get in a street fight with an opponent who has some skills as well. Chances areit still goes nothing like it would in a cage.
TheBoxingCannabyte 2 months ago
My personal opinion is that most MMA is quite boring. I think boxing is a far more fun sport ot watch and I won't get into a debate on which sport is better. Apples and oranges to anyone who really knows what they're talking about. Take the better strikers in UFC and put them against Lennox Lewis, Ali, Tyson, Marciano, and they get wasted. The punches and kicks in UFC are so open because half the time they are getting ready to get taken down! The big benefit is it gives you a small idea of
TheBoxingCannabyte 2 months ago
@TheBoxingCannabyte You can't ignore the takedowns. Takedown defense is critical and really hinders your striking ability. Honestly, most of those legends of boxing would lose handily in the octagon if they didn't get the first strike in. There have been a few semi-successful boxers in MMA, but it is rare. Boxing just lacks the depth of MMA fighters. Awesome strikers, but they suck at the rest. MMA fighters would do well to train with boxers though, to improve striking.
dipstickewew 2 months ago
DAMN right!
he goes for your legs...
sprawl then KNEE HIS FUCKING FACE TIL HE DROPS!
I hate all that gay ass shit.
I'm all for learning to fight on ground too, but COME ON.
a well rounded fighter doesn't go for a motherfucker's legs the WHOLE GOT DAMN MATCH like a fucking 1 track minded zombie.
fans pay for a fight, not some slow moving zombie staring at ground and grabbing at a dude's nut sacks the entire match.
I'd beat most of these BJJ dude to pulp with hands while I sprawl em'.
chrisgrinhard 2 months ago
@chrisgrinhard Well said.
trews78 2 months ago
let go of the cage.
spacemonkey1112 2 months ago
give credit where its due,mma guys do get physcological benefits,they r used to being hit,dont panic when someones on top of them,arent easily intimidated but they r limited in a combat situation,where combat people have the techniques they dont have the mental toughness of mma,and streetfighters have been around ,understand the dirty tricks dept,so learn all three aspects-as for bjj reigns ,they have lost to jjj and judo,at a certain level its the man not the style
TheSilatiger 2 months ago
DUDE GIVE UP THE SINGLE-LEG!
jmalsam 2 months ago
fat guy
bobmarley512k 2 months ago
@bnsaints bas routen? Cro crop? Tai?... Are you sure you have experience atleast learn how to spell names correctly before you try to act tough. You seem like another pussy talking about how MMA fighters don't really "train" your such a dumbass I wish you lived close to me I would knock your ass out pick you up hip throw you armbar you break your fucking arm wait till you get back up and straight blast your ass (Jeet kune do). Name one fucking street fight you've actually seen that someone kick
bored123ist 2 months ago
rolando was a great teacher at core. shame I cant get out there anymore.
sgtmasters 2 months ago
boring until 2:07
Owondr 2 months ago
There is a difference between jiujitsu and mma this guy may be a great jiujitsu player but he cant fight mma
yellowmon123 3 months ago
If he's a KM instructor why is he there ? What for ? He is not using pure KM but his own fighting skills (independtly from where he got them) because if he had done so the "fight" would have bee finished in less than maximum 15 seconds. He would have striked his opponent's throat eyes and balls or got the fuck out of the cage if his opponing was avoiding him. Too many people get confused and mix Martial Arts, Combat/fight(ing) Sports and Self-Defense.
KravMagaMcmap 3 months ago
não é a arte que faz o lutador, o lutador que faz a arte..
w4gn3rky4dros 3 months ago
Actually for the last decade or soo pure BJJ or GJJ just does not cut it in the ring. I believe every champion in the ring in this past decade was mostly a striker who might dabble enough in Jui-Jitsu to avoid takedowns and avoid submissions.
Even a very experienced BJJ master will tell you that if your opponent has knowlege of the submissions and other aspects of BJJ that it's almost impossible to score a Sub if they turtle up.. which means you have to win by striking even on the ground
Xandralina69 3 months ago
Everyone stop arguing and enjoy that amazing knee to the temple.
DesertFoxCXVII 3 months ago
Krav Maga is awesome
thefrontpagecampaign 3 months ago
this bjj practitioners want to suck penis so bad that they go their mouth there with the first opportunity they found gzzzz
13Metal13Head13 3 months ago
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thetableswillturn 3 months ago
Why do you imbeciles all the BJJ is some new miracle. It is loaded with flaws and is impractical and in fact DANGEROUS to employ in most real world scenarios, it is an added tool for a well rounded fighter when the occasion (rare ) occurs to need to go to the ground or escape from the ground. MMA BJJ is GARBAGE that doesn't work in the street
bnsaints 3 months ago
@bnsaints - oh then what does work in the streets? bjj seems to work pretty well in the ring and that is the closest youre actually gonna get to a street fight
JBurhenn253 3 months ago
@JBurhenn253 Are you fucking INSANE? Seriously, are you? The ring of MMA is NOTHING close to the street. NOTHING. Rules, gloves, PUSSY referees that stop the fight the minute somebody is at a slight disadvantage. No spitting, biting, eye gouging, groin kicks, foot stomps, bottles, rocks, weapons, slippery bar room floors or icy sidewalks etc... It's one on one with a ref and rules. You fucking idiot, how could you say such a thing? And now it doesn't work, as there are NO BJJ only fighters and
bnsaints 3 months ago
@bnsaints Getting angry and shouting at people on youtube about stuff just proves you really don't know what your talking about. Maybe in theory yes. But you never know how people will react in the streets. A lot of MMA guys grew up in the streets. You have a point yes, it is different, but mma fighters are well trained and have insane stamina. If they aren't complete squares then a true fighter would be versed in all those illegal moves as well and would destroy you. You have little exp.
kikme420 3 months ago
@kikme420 Typical MMA imbecile. Claiming I don't understand etc... I have more BJJ experience than you can fathom and you're incorrect. Go beat off to you Bas Routen poster you cool aide drinker.
bnsaints 3 months ago
@bnsaints For someone who has so much experience why are you so insistant in proving yourself on youtube? Your so blinded by rage you totally missed my point competely. Did I make you mad? Once again, I NEVER said MMA works int he streets. If you honestly are gonna sit here and try to agrue that mma doeswn't work but something else does you have never been in a real fight. In a real situation your instincts and experiences and what you ate in the morning have much more effect on Living/dying
kikme420 2 months ago
@bnsaints And I am talking real world violence here not some drunken bar fight or two idiots talking shit to each other then monkey dancing to the ground. Name one time besides highschool you have ever been in a fair mutual fight with anyone. Its always someone punches you from behind or sucker punches you or pulls out a gun the moment you are not paying attention. Name one time someone on the streets says hey man lets fight and it actually happens and both guys are xperienced fighters. NEVER!
kikme420 2 months ago
@kikme420 Whats your point
bnsaints 2 months ago
@bnsaints My point is, martial arts will not help you in real world violence. Only the discipline and awareness you gain from years of training in martial arts will help you. Most people unless their job is centered on violence like prison guards or swat/special military ops, do not have enough experience with real world violence to be able to not be affected by the chemical changes your body goes through when it knows its in danger.
kikme420 2 months ago
@bnsaints Here is an example. After 4 months of JU-jitsu training, I had a bit of an ego, your typical mma wannabe. I stop a thief that stole from one of my stores. But instead of letting him go after he gave me my shit back I decided to detain him. The first thing he did was punch me in the face. Instantly, even though I have been in these situations before, my body when into auto pilot and I did the first thing it knew best, hip toss. Had no prob until his buddies punched me form behind.
kikme420 2 months ago
@bnsaints What if they had a knife? Gun? My martial arts would have got me killed. Instincts and experiences are more important than martial arts skills in real world situations. You don't have time to prepare and things always come when you don't expect them. When this happens you freeze up or make stupid mistakes because you rely on what you think should work but then doesn't. MMA fighters fight alot and train alot. They have an edge but it wont save them if they can't keep an open mind.
kikme420 2 months ago
@kikme420 Look up Urijah Faber - Indonesian incident. What you just said, happens. Faber is an awesome MMA fighter and he had to adapt quickly or he would have died vs the multiple opponents he faced.
vamtheanomaly 2 months ago
@vamtheanomaly This is why I said MMA fighters have an advantage as far as personality type and experience. MOst of those guys probably had aggresive or hard upbringings, thats why a lot of the mma guys do what they do, its because thats what they know. MMA might not work in the streets but having lots of heart and being able to adapt to your opponents does. Good fighters learn to adapt to there opponents and maintain a calm attidude in the heat of battle. MMA will not save you, you will.
kikme420 2 months ago
@vamtheanomaly Though it is true mma training cannot prepare you for real life/death situations, the reality of you being robbed or w/e by someone who has loads of exp and training in real combat is slim to none. Therefor the original point being either you will avoid the situation completely because you were aware or you will get takin by surprise. There are a few people though who will intentially put themselves in those situations. DO NOT FUCK WITH THEM! They are CRAZY
kikme420 2 months ago
@kikme420 Thats probably the most mature , professional response from a fighter, Ive ever heard. Thanks!
vamtheanomaly 2 months ago
@vamtheanomaly I practice neither of these phony martial arts so I don't know what the fuck you are going on about
bnsaints 2 months ago
@bnsaints And I just checked all my posts and dont see any where I messaged you or said anything rude to you so I dont understand your reply. Also why are they phony martial arts? Lastly if you want to "know what the fuck im going on about" read the whole dialogue exchange with me and other users....
vamtheanomaly 2 months ago
@bnsaints Or did you mean to direct that at kikme420?
vamtheanomaly 2 months ago
@vamtheanomaly It was originally at me. Bnsaints has a point, but he generalizes all mma fighters in the same category. This is what happens when ego gets in the way. He is potentially underestimating his "enemy" and assuming all mma fighters are the same. Doing this in a real situation, lets say, "Oh ya he is just a street thug, he aint gonna do shit." could possibly get you stabbed or shot. Men who have something to prove tend to be unpredictable. I fear a coward over a warrior.
kikme420 2 months ago
@bnsaints Being able to remain calm and think is much more important then special techniques made for the streets. Who cares what kind of moves I know If I can't use them efficiently. Anyone can throw a punch, but can you throw a punch accurately and effectively when it really counts. Does it really matter what the punch looks like, what style it is? Or does it matter that I connect to the attackers throat instead of his face if he has a gun pointed at me.
kikme420 2 months ago
@ My point to you is that in fact MMA guys do not "train " a lot. the phony train, real training involves risk, like military live fire drills. Sparring some jack ass in a tap out tee shirt or dry humping your gracie instructor 3 times a week is not training, and in fact in some cases not only doesn't give you an advantage it gives you a false sense of confidence as you so aptly stated happened to you. I think you and I are much closer in our opinion that these stupid dialogue boxes have allowed
bnsaints 2 months ago
@kikme420 us to state
bnsaints 2 months ago
@bnsaints We are... I agree with you completely. But not many people have the luxury, expecially in America, to go through these types of trainings. I was in the marines and marine corp mcmap is literally a crappy version of basic mma training with some knife techniques thrown in. As you said, being around real danger is a much better teacher than learning how to ring fight. I had to learn the hard way, but now I have more experience to go by because my ego got me into a lot of shit.
kikme420 2 months ago
@bnsaints But as I said. A true martial artist, And the guys who do mma that far exceed the norm, those guys cross train and have probably been through a lot of real world shit growing up. I like mma, I don't care for all the commercial bullcrap but just because I would like to ring fight doesn't mean I can't handle myself in the streets. I takes a lot of discipline for someone to get good at martial arts and discipline is a key factor in survival. So a true fighter does have an advantage.
kikme420 2 months ago
@kikme420 You are right about the train alot, they train alot in the wrong ways. Thats why I do wing chun. It teaches you how to think and remain calm in fights. Its all about better positioning and learning how to control your emotions. But in all honesty it comes down to the teacher. So many people are stuck on styles and techniques they forget to tell you how to think effectively and most don't have any real experience just bullshit competition.
kikme420 2 months ago
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@kikme420 I dont know if you like Bruce Lee or not, but thats exactly what he says in the "Toa of Jeet June Do". His quote was similar to yours. "So many people are stuck on styles and techniques they forget to tell you how to think effectively and most don't have any real experience just bullshit competition
vamtheanomaly 2 months ago
@JBurhenn253 the one or two that still adhere to it are getting moped up. It is like saying you took boxing lessons and you think you can survive only using a jab. BJJ has limited use, it is something to have in the bag of tricks it is not the bag. It is over hyped shit that has so few real world applications its like snake oil. Case in point, the next time I see a guy in the MMA be allowed to punch a guy in the balls when he is in a triangle choke and or bite the leg of the opponent and it is
bnsaints 3 months ago
@JBurhenn253 allowed and the guy still holds on to the hold, you'll have a point, don't tell me that fairy shit in the MMA is like a real fight, it has so many candy ass rules its absurd. It is nothing close to the real thing. Unless in the real world you aren't allowed to kick your opponent when he is on the ground, or not head but him, or thumb his eye etc... grow up, stop beating off to your Cro Crop poster kid.
bnsaints 3 months ago
@bnsaints As I said, no serious mma fighter just limits themself to one method of combat. They might prefer certain things in the ring but that doesn't mean they are useless in real life. Lets be honest, how many real life, life or death, situations have you been in recently? Or anyone for that matter. This isn't ancient china. So unless you are security or a police officer or some swat baddass or prison guard...I highly dought you have any true experience in REAL world violence.
kikme420 3 months ago
Yep another typical mma ass hat. You gays all preach theoretical. You have no idea of real world concepts and neither do most MMA fags. If they spent half as much time "fighting for real" as they do tanning, buying tap out tee shirts and roiding they might be able to survive and to your absurd point about one discipline, look at the UFC for fuck sake. They announce their styles, BJJ or M Tai with some BJJ almost NOBODY is a well rounded fighter and their striking suckSSSS
bnsaints 3 months ago 2
@bnsaints When did I say anything about how real mma is? I take wing chun, one of the most laughed at martial arts in the world. I have done mma as well, but that has nothing to do with my point. If anything I was kinda helping your point. MMA doesn;t work in the streets, yet someone with training and the personality of a fighter stands a better chance on the streets in a real situation then a person with no experience and no heart.
kikme420 2 months ago
@bnsaints Lol at a Krav Maga guy saying MMA fighters preach theoretical. All you guys do is talk.
ThePinkMan 2 months ago
@bnsaints, I cannot agree more. I've been a boxer for a long time now (though I'm only 25, but in boxing years I'm "middle-aged"), I suffered a severe spine injury 4 years ago, was told I'd never fight again. I'm about 5 months into a comeback, have had one fight, I won. But what has really helped me out is training in Krav MAga, Wing Chung, and kali. I could only do so much at first, but hte wing chung really toned me out a LOT quicker than I thought! I haven't lost the gutweight but..
TheBoxingCannabyte 2 months ago
@bnsaints, my shoulders are huge and my arms are getting solid again. All while eating on an irregular diet due to money contraints. Three weeks ago I had an attempted mugging and was slashed on the side. I side-stepped it (though not quick enough, obviously) and disarmed the attacker+dislocated his hsoulder,he had 3 inches and maybe 20 lbs on me (I'm 6'2 230, my fighting weight is 205-210), his buddy was smaller and not into it like he was. I kicked his friend, then continued to box him up.
TheBoxingCannabyte 2 months ago
@bnsaints, then I ran like a wee girl! No doubt I was scared. I didn't realize how badly I was bleeding at first either but I knew I was had been hit. I was more scared than in all 40 matches I've been in combined-minus the first time-All in all I'd say I came off looking decent and successfully defended myself and escaped a situation which most who get into martial arts that have a level head never hope to get into, but prepare for constantly. It was dark, ugly, but my style remained tight.
TheBoxingCannabyte 2 months ago
@bnsaints U must not watch enough MMA. their is a ton of guys that Have a lot of stand up in MMA
813Geane 2 months ago
@813Geane Yeah and with the exception of about 4 guys their striking ability is pathetic, its like watching two fat trailer park chicks slap fight in a laundromat. I have never in 25 years of practicing martial arts, wrestling, and cqb techniques seen more pathetic punching and striking than I have in the MMA. Most of you MMA guys should be FLAT OUT ASHAMED AND EMBARRASSED.
bnsaints 2 months ago
@bnsaints Well i have a few fights where you only see me doing stand up and clinch.
nd i was never under any real trouble while fighting wrestlers and thai guys.nd if you go in there to box you will get taken down or get the legs kicked from under you.I also do Kali stick fighting and Knife fighting along with combatives it helps open that hunger and explosiveness.nd i am also very very young in this sport. but unlike all these idiots i know that there is a lot more to a fight than just punching
813Geane 2 months ago
@813Geane I'm also going to clue you in on something else. BJJ and MMA guys all assume that just because they think they know how to do take downs that they will 1005 "take somebody off their feet". It shows the unrealistic arrogance of most BJJ and MMA practitioners. BJJ is snake oil, its bull shit.
bnsaints 2 months ago
@bnsaints Oh and i also train Kali, Knife fighting and combatives. to ignite that flame in my eyes that makes me go after my opponent. That kill mentality. And all that has helped me beat wrestlers and thai fighters i have videos. take a look for ur self
813Geane 2 months ago
@813Geane no need as I believe that the Filipino arts have the most practical application to real word combatives. I am not saying that they are the best but I am saying that those arts have much more practical application than does this phony MMA shit. If you want to market gay tattoos and even dumber "tapout" shirts that MMA is your shit. If you want asinine blue gees and purple belts do BJJ, if you want to survive an attack, do some homework and find a better art or multiple arts
bnsaints 2 months ago
@bnsaints I do not practice BJJ. i am actually pretty against it because in my eyes its the watered down version of JiuJitsu. BJJ=Sport. JiuJitsu=combative. and i do not believe in belt systems. we always say around my gym. Punch him once in the face and that blackbelt goes out the window. I've gone to many tournaments and faced browns and purples but i always beat them. and I'm only a blue belt. why? because i don't have the belt system bs that they sell to you so they make money on my head.
813Geane 2 months ago
I do Jujitsu... And it depends on what you're doing it for... BJJ is way better for ring fighting, and original unchanged Jujitsu is better if you're rolling around or clinched on the battle field with another fully armored Samurai and are both armed with a Spear, Katana and dagger... It just depends on what you personally like. Original Jujitsu is fun and cool, and very historical, BJJ is based on one on one fighting under specific rules for this day and age.
ChamorruWarrior 2 months ago
@813Geane Come to Brazil and try beating real Brazilians at real Brazilian Jujitsu, instead of pussy Americans who hand out belts to keep a business who call themselves BJJ blackbelts.
myloveforMMA 2 months ago
@myloveforMMA Listen all i know is that u can be this amazing "BJJ" grappler but I'm not gonna grapple you. Im gonna elbow you in the eye till it practically falls out. my JiuJitsu will save my life in a street fight agaisnt someone thats bigger than me. All these idiost that talk about BJJ are the same ones that wear TapOut and UFC shirts. BJJ is a Sport. Is grappling. Real JiuJitsu will save you from a real fight with no rules.
813Geane 2 months ago
@myloveforMMA If i get caught in a arm bar and my arm gets broken Ima slip out and poke ur neck with the bone thats sticking out. thats why u see all these abudabi champs from brazil get their asses kicked by american fighters. Because they try to do SPORT JIUJITSU "BJJ". Isntead of doing what jiujitsu was intended for. COMBAT
813Geane 2 months ago
@813Geane Okay well without trying to get personal, I grew up in the streets of Brazil, I have three stab scars in my chest, and I've been to prison. Not only do I do BJJ, but I am a professional MMA fighter climbing up the ranks. I have been doing Muay Thai for 8 years now. What makes you think, that with my superior strength and speed and body control, I wont bite your throat out in the street easier than you could possibly hope to do it? I'm a viscous ex-felon who joined the militry
myloveforMMA 2 months ago
@myloveforMMA Ok for mister grew up in Brazil. I spent most of my living years in Colombia. And lived in Medellin for a while as well. I don't do BJJ cuz its garbage and just a name. I am also a proffecional fighter climbing up the ranks i am a 135lb so i have you beat on speed and as for u trying to bite of my throat.. I'd have to say no can do. because in the cage i can't do most of the things i know how to do. But in a street fight Im gonna go for you're eyes, Balls, throat and much much more
813Geane 2 months ago
@myloveforMMA Oh and i actually have videos to back up my talking unlike someone here. for all i know ur probably just a fat lil american boy that has the brazilians dick so far up his as that he can't live a moment without moaning "BJJ" i've said it once and ill say it again. the best thing out of brazil are their woman=]
813Geane 2 months ago
@813Geane No I am not some fat American White pussy like you who thinks he can stab people with his bone fragment wannabe Jason Bournce fagot lol. You have no videos on your page, I jsut clicked it, so PM me some videos then. If you're a up and coming fighter like me, you must stop by the LA aream sometime, PM me and I'll meet you in a park or street wherever. No way in hell some 135lb short shit fag who thinks grappling is gay is gonna beat a 205 MMA fighter whou would kill.
myloveforMMA 2 months ago
@myloveforMMA LOL.. never said anything about grappling being gay. I've said over and over again JiuJitsu is the shit. BJJ is a sport. And yes look up 813Geane on the search bar you will see me destroying a 255 6'6 dude on the absolute grappling tournament..lol. so yeah bro I'm not worried about size. thats the 1st mistake people make. and how dare you call me white..lol. Im Colombian! look my shit up man. U have nothing to prove what ur calming i do
813Geane 2 months ago
@813Geane You hypocritical bitch, first you called me a white American when I am not, but when I do it to you, somehow it's such an insult. You destroyed a nobody, a cheap grappling tournament with crap grapplers. If you think judging by size is a mistake, then I tell you the same thing, you think because I am bigger I'm slower? Anderson Silva is 220 naturally and he is faster than you and me. PM when you hit the LA area you "bad ass" lol. You wont though, you know you wont.
myloveforMMA 2 months ago
@myloveforMMA I was joking i could care less what you call me..lol. life is to short to stress idiots like u. and thats so funny because it took place in FL. and if u watch the rest of them u'd see that they're good grapplers. and that was way b4 i even got serious with my grappling. So once again I'm proving shit and ur not..lol. Whats ur record anyways? and why go to CA if some of the best gyms are right here. that and i got no money. all i do is train i don't even have time for a job.
813Geane 2 months ago
@myloveforMMA Ur probably a middle aging man so i pity you my friend. I honestly feel sorry for you. life hasn't been easy for u my friend. so ill pray for you. When u have proof feel free to show me. oh and btw that grappling tournament had over 1000 grapplers=] and that was absolute.
813Geane 2 months ago
@813Geane Really? That many people hu? Over one thousand grapplers? Which one was it? :D If it was that big your name should be on the competition record. Middle age? I am just 20. I think you're bringing all your insecurities to me. What do you want proof of, want my facebook?
myloveforMMA 2 months ago
@myloveforMMA Listen dude ur garbage ur sitting here telling me all this hype about ur gym when a few min ago u had a brazilians dick so far up you're ass. So make up ur mind u confused little girl. and of course there is u moron. there isn't any grappling events where they aren't sectioned. but I'm done wasting my time with a fool. and notice how u dint tell me what ur record waslmao!I'm done wasting my time with u. ur nothing but a liar. So write what u want I'm done wasting time on ur fat ass
813Geane 2 months ago
@813Geane You're confusing me with other people talking shit to you. I never once told you the gym I fight from. I am Brazilian, so naturally I'd have my dick up my own ass about how proud I am of my people. I told you to PM when you get to LA, if you're anything worth as a fighter, you'll have to stop by the LA area sometime in your career, my offer still stands, hit me up you little bitch. I'd love to tear your little ass a new one, lets see you stab me with your bone fragments lol
myloveforMMA 2 months ago
@myloveforMMA
Nice homo-erotic threats there bro', very Brazilian.
floppykid 2 months ago
@floppykid Same goes for you pussy shit talkers, If even half of the shit talkers on MMA videos practiced MMA, we'd have professionals all over the world LOL. Seriously, unless you compete professionally, you shouldn't be opening your mouth and saying shit you wouldn't say to an actual fighters face. You're nothing but a fan, and a bad fan at that, of combat sports. You don't fight everyday, or at all I am sure. Fucking pussy.
myloveforMMA 2 months ago
@bnsaints and to me it sounds like you are describing the Jersey Shore cast..lol. but on the real they're are many MANY FUCKING POSERS out there. the tap out shirt. the UFC shirt. That attitude that they think they can pick a fight just because they watch MMA. but a true mixed martial artist doesnt need to act this way. I know who i am and i know what i know. so i don't go around looking at people wrong or anything. In fact i walk around with a huge smile.
813Geane 2 months ago
@bnsaints I love taking bits and pieces and combining from different arts to make a solid combative fighting system that will work for ME. i don't blame you for the views you may have on this beautiful sport. To many little penis syndrome idiots out there. that pick a fight for no reason. or abuse what they know. We get those idiots at our gym. and they can't last. Not one week. they're aren't real fighters at heart. and thats what it comes down to. Heart not many people have that.
813Geane 2 months ago
@bnsaints 99% of fights that start in bars or on the streets are either because two idiots were fucked up on something and started going at it (monkey dance). Or because he is trying to defend himself against getting jumped or robbed. Have you ever been in a real fight sober? Anyone with real experience aviods these situations with ease. It is human nature to want to avoid conflict, Unless were fucked up or realllllllllyyyyy angry.
kikme420 3 months ago
@bnsaints Real world violence happens in a second and is usually very quick and extremelt aggresive with no warning. In a real situation either you would be knocked out/killed before you knew it or you would avoid it completely. You don't just pick and choose. No amount of martial arts can prepare you for that. Only instinct and awareness matter here. . So unless you have rigorous exp in the different chemical changes your body goes through in life/death sit., then you kung fu will not help you.
kikme420 3 months ago
lightsaber? no good...
metaljar02 3 months ago
no matter the styles, fat out of shape guy will lose to non-fat guy with a decent punch.
rohr808 3 months ago
Krav Maga is a real combat martial art, Jiu jitsu and Bjj is a load of showy bollocks
OriginalSin42K 3 months ago
I was actually at this fight and the BJJ guy was Mike Yanez a black belt under Pablo Popovitch, look him up. The other guy was a Krav Maga instructor at this place called Core Combat Sports.
dadonking12 3 months ago 4
@dadonking12
During the first 2/3 of the fight, a couple of swift sharp elbow strikes either side of the spine would have paralyzed Yanez. If the only thing protecting you from being devastated by your opponent is the "rules"..... then it's a game or a sport, not a martial art cage match. It's clear to me that Yanez wasn't expecting a real fight and was overmatched totally.
TinselKoala 2 months ago
BS this guy is a black belt in BJJ, or anything else for that matter.
Antiwhateverur 3 months ago
nothing about this is krav maga
astro0125 3 months ago
Jiu Jitsu guy didn't even know what he was doing, from the start! This guy ain't a black belt in BJJ.
ThiagoAlvesFan 4 months ago 2
krav maga with out rull very powerfull, with rule lose efectivity that is no real figth, streath figth, sorry
bohidarma 4 months ago
@bohidarma Agree i go every six months to fights in Rio where there only 2 guys in locked cage no ref. Now that is sport
Portlaoise50 3 months ago
@BJJMMAFUN Exactly. The "jiu jitsu guy" didn't know how to shoot. At all. Underhooking a guy with your head down? Honestly?
XeroJaeger 4 months ago
Its not the style, its the fighter!
MursuTheMan 4 months ago