The orchestra is not together rhythmically and the intonation is suspect. I personally would not use a C trumpet for this concerto. I would use Piccolo trumpet in A or a Piccolo trumpet in G with 4 valves. I find the piccolo trumpet sounds better for this work but that's just my opinion.
yeah actually we wanted to use piccolos too, but we couldn't borrow 2 of them, so we had no choice but to make do using C trumpets, and yes it was tough but it was a good experience! i suggest all trumpeters try this or something similar with a good friend (:
It is funny you mention using a large trumpet. I performed this piece in the key of Bb on Bb trumpets!!! It was an interesting experience. Still I prefer the piccolo trumpet. Sound of a picc is appropriate. Cheers.
@TheCrazyCello The C trumpet is too big a sound for this particular work and trilling is very awkward as well. The piccolo trumpet in A or G works best, sounding light and bouncy. Appropriate for Vivaldi. Most professional trumpeter will use that.
@piccolomaster Yes but what I mean is, the valved C trumpet didn't exist until about 100 years after this was written... the argument about playing Vivaldi on a C trumpet or a Picc is like arguing about playing Bach on a Yamaha or a Casio electric organ. Surely the best instrument to play Vivaldi is a natural trumpet like an Ehe, with a C crook?
@TheCrazyCello Yes I agree that the Baroque trumpet with C crook is defiinitely appropriate. The whole orchestra should use Baroque instruments IMHO to match the appropriate sound and feel. Plus the tuning would be in Baroque pitch A=415. Most trumpeters do not own a baroque trumpet unless that is their specialty or they perform in an ensemble that specializes period instruments eg. Halle Orchestra.
@piccolomaster I agree about the strings. At the very least, gut strings and baroque bows - which is something any string player can do - would make a huge difference. As for the pitch - well, we've only decided on a=415Hz as a modern "baroque" standard. In the C18 pitches varied from town to town, anything from 300-520Hz was used if you go by organs, wind instruments range from between 392-465 in general, so I'd place less emphasis on pitch than the instruments themselves...
@TheCrazyCello I do own a Beale Baroque trumpet which has tuning to A=415 and A=440 with a D, C and Bb crooks. The mouthpiece is much larger and has a flat rim so it is much harder to perform on. Holding the trumpet is quite different and you can't blow through the instrument with force otherwise it would sound ugly!!! Attaining a baroque trumpet is difficult because they are expensive, rarely used where I live and there is no store close by either.
@piccolomaster It's interesting to hear that - I specialise in Baroque violin so I'm no expert on Baroque winds. My understanding is the mouthpieces used between around 1680-1750 were to facilitate the playing of dulcet tones, which may explain the problems playing with much force. Is it true players use more modern mouthpieces on historical instruments (as well as vent holes) to overcome the technical difficulties of playing dulcet tones and herunterreiben in fast florid passages?
@piccolomaster It's interesting to hear that - I specialise in Baroque violin so I'm no expert on Baroque winds. My understanding is the mouthpieces used between around 1680-1750 were to facilitate the playing of dulcet tones, which may explain the problems playing with much force. Is it true players use more modern mouthpieces on historical instruments (as well as vent holes) to overcome the technical difficulties of playing dulcet tones and herunterreiben in fast florid passages?
@TheCrazyCello Hello again. Yes many trumpeters use an adapter so they can play on a modern mouthpiece. I prefer using the baroque mouthpiece because it achieves a nice dulcet tone quality and not so bright with a regular modern mouthpiece. I actually own two baroque mouthpieces. One for regular use especially in the low to middle-upper range and the other is shallower cup which facilitates the higher tessitura range.
@piccolomaster The vent holes again is a modern invention that is used to create a transposition, to facilitate the higher range with ease and to overcome technically fast florid passages. There is usually 3 or 4 holes on the yard (lead pipe) and is covered by the thumb, index, middle and ring/pinky fingers. I fortunately have both yards with vent holes and ones without. It is a choice for the performer. I hope this helps Cheerio :)
@piccolomaster Man, give them a break, the whole orchestra is made up of kids, who play better than e.g. a touring US university orchestra I heard in Budapest (Hungary). I am VERY impressed by this, good job, guys!
intonation in the first violin section is poor, every entrance of the tutti is sloppy and out of tune, and the there's a lot of rushing. the soloists' tone is excellent though.
This is very true i have been playing trumpet a long time now and you are right except this is a different version of the 2 trumpte Concerto by Validi I have ever herd but good non the less.
me and my friend ben are playing this together in the concert at the end of this school yearr ill be playing first and ben playijng second and i cant wait XD
i love this song i played it in 8th grade and took me a long time to learn the trumpet solo is really hard he is right i have the song on my i pod too XD!!!!
hey man, Im not going to sit here and argue with you, Im not saying which is harder to play than the other... shit... I dont even really care.. Allz I know is that the trumpets were badass in this peice and that the trumpet solo is hard as hell.
In a certain sense, you are correct; but from another perspective you are wrong.
When a decent trumpet player is playing notes above the treble clef, the partials become so close together you can use a whole assortment of fingering combinations and end up playing the same phrase/thing/whatever the same way.
EXAMPLE, using my ear I can play a G major (F major concert) scale starting on the G just above the treble clef up to the super G using the fingering combination of 1-3. I just lip it.
I feel that this was quite good, and with a little fine tuning the ending won't sound quite as labored. The second half is a feat after that tough first movement. Bravo gentlemen.
i could do this better... played it infront of 2000 people. There a few duff notes. The first movement is ok but the second one there are two many flat notes. But it's quite a hard piece
crisp vibrant thrilling playing the trumpets float up out of everything ,one or two duff notes dont matter when music played with MEANING
floatingbargee 3 weeks ago
crisp vibrant thrilling playing the trumpets float up out of everything ,duff notes dont matter
floatingbargee 3 weeks ago
is the trumpet on the right pointing his trumpet straight to the ground or what?
hinkamperj 8 months ago
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jpwarzinski 9 months ago
que c'est beau ça m'a bercé mon enfance.... <3
apimusiclassiq 9 months ago
que c'est beaaaaaauuuuuuuuu!!!!!!!
apimusiclassiq 9 months ago
Oh God, this is horrible haha.. But i like this concert so much that i enjoyed it to some extent =)
Thanks
soulblacknight 1 year ago
Good!, but maybe could be better...but i like this
McTroploin 1 year ago
Good!
McTroploin 1 year ago
wow, you guys have my highest respect (is this fine english? - I hope so :D )
To show this Solo in public is even harder than do it alone...
urdanien 2 years ago
The orchestra is not together rhythmically and the intonation is suspect. I personally would not use a C trumpet for this concerto. I would use Piccolo trumpet in A or a Piccolo trumpet in G with 4 valves. I find the piccolo trumpet sounds better for this work but that's just my opinion.
piccolomaster 2 years ago
yeah actually we wanted to use piccolos too, but we couldn't borrow 2 of them, so we had no choice but to make do using C trumpets, and yes it was tough but it was a good experience! i suggest all trumpeters try this or something similar with a good friend (:
cheekennehneh 2 years ago
It is funny you mention using a large trumpet. I performed this piece in the key of Bb on Bb trumpets!!! It was an interesting experience. Still I prefer the piccolo trumpet. Sound of a picc is appropriate. Cheers.
piccolomaster 2 years ago
@piccolomaster Why not just use the actual type trumpet this concerto was written for (or a copy thereof)...?
TheCrazyCello 1 year ago
@TheCrazyCello The C trumpet is too big a sound for this particular work and trilling is very awkward as well. The piccolo trumpet in A or G works best, sounding light and bouncy. Appropriate for Vivaldi. Most professional trumpeter will use that.
piccolomaster 1 year ago
@piccolomaster Yes but what I mean is, the valved C trumpet didn't exist until about 100 years after this was written... the argument about playing Vivaldi on a C trumpet or a Picc is like arguing about playing Bach on a Yamaha or a Casio electric organ. Surely the best instrument to play Vivaldi is a natural trumpet like an Ehe, with a C crook?
TheCrazyCello 1 year ago
@TheCrazyCello Yes I agree that the Baroque trumpet with C crook is defiinitely appropriate. The whole orchestra should use Baroque instruments IMHO to match the appropriate sound and feel. Plus the tuning would be in Baroque pitch A=415. Most trumpeters do not own a baroque trumpet unless that is their specialty or they perform in an ensemble that specializes period instruments eg. Halle Orchestra.
piccolomaster 1 year ago
@piccolomaster I agree about the strings. At the very least, gut strings and baroque bows - which is something any string player can do - would make a huge difference. As for the pitch - well, we've only decided on a=415Hz as a modern "baroque" standard. In the C18 pitches varied from town to town, anything from 300-520Hz was used if you go by organs, wind instruments range from between 392-465 in general, so I'd place less emphasis on pitch than the instruments themselves...
TheCrazyCello 1 year ago
@TheCrazyCello I do own a Beale Baroque trumpet which has tuning to A=415 and A=440 with a D, C and Bb crooks. The mouthpiece is much larger and has a flat rim so it is much harder to perform on. Holding the trumpet is quite different and you can't blow through the instrument with force otherwise it would sound ugly!!! Attaining a baroque trumpet is difficult because they are expensive, rarely used where I live and there is no store close by either.
piccolomaster 1 year ago
@piccolomaster It's interesting to hear that - I specialise in Baroque violin so I'm no expert on Baroque winds. My understanding is the mouthpieces used between around 1680-1750 were to facilitate the playing of dulcet tones, which may explain the problems playing with much force. Is it true players use more modern mouthpieces on historical instruments (as well as vent holes) to overcome the technical difficulties of playing dulcet tones and herunterreiben in fast florid passages?
TheCrazyCello 1 year ago
@piccolomaster It's interesting to hear that - I specialise in Baroque violin so I'm no expert on Baroque winds. My understanding is the mouthpieces used between around 1680-1750 were to facilitate the playing of dulcet tones, which may explain the problems playing with much force. Is it true players use more modern mouthpieces on historical instruments (as well as vent holes) to overcome the technical difficulties of playing dulcet tones and herunterreiben in fast florid passages?
TheCrazyCello 1 year ago
@TheCrazyCello Hello again. Yes many trumpeters use an adapter so they can play on a modern mouthpiece. I prefer using the baroque mouthpiece because it achieves a nice dulcet tone quality and not so bright with a regular modern mouthpiece. I actually own two baroque mouthpieces. One for regular use especially in the low to middle-upper range and the other is shallower cup which facilitates the higher tessitura range.
piccolomaster 1 year ago
@piccolomaster The vent holes again is a modern invention that is used to create a transposition, to facilitate the higher range with ease and to overcome technically fast florid passages. There is usually 3 or 4 holes on the yard (lead pipe) and is covered by the thumb, index, middle and ring/pinky fingers. I fortunately have both yards with vent holes and ones without. It is a choice for the performer. I hope this helps Cheerio :)
piccolomaster 1 year ago
@piccolomaster Man, give them a break, the whole orchestra is made up of kids, who play better than e.g. a touring US university orchestra I heard in Budapest (Hungary). I am VERY impressed by this, good job, guys!
blackjancsi 1 year ago
@piccolomaster I would also use a Piccolo in G, but Piccolo in A is to difficult I think.
chriseventy 3 weeks ago
SUPER
5*
louloubeb 2 years ago
intonation in the first violin section is poor, every entrance of the tutti is sloppy and out of tune, and the there's a lot of rushing. the soloists' tone is excellent though.
jdwalker84 2 years ago 2
This is very true i have been playing trumpet a long time now and you are right except this is a different version of the 2 trumpte Concerto by Validi I have ever herd but good non the less.
GBforce3 2 years ago
trumpets rule over any instument tbh :)
me and my friend ben are playing this together in the concert at the end of this school yearr ill be playing first and ben playijng second and i cant wait XD
Cazzay16 3 years ago 3
YA POWER TO THE TRUMPET
GBforce3 2 years ago
Holy crap they're playing on big horns! (C or Bb...) That's crazy man! Props!
tpetdoctor 3 years ago
C trumpets
creedo197 2 years ago
i love this song i played it in 8th grade and took me a long time to learn the trumpet solo is really hard he is right i have the song on my i pod too XD!!!!
film122 3 years ago
in 8th grade? then you've to be a natural...
i'm in 11th grade in germany right now and i'm trying very hard to manage it...
but wonderful solo, you're right!
urdanien 2 years ago
Our orchestra just played this at a concert. I have to say we were better, and we only had one bass continuo. This was still hella good though :]
DistinctEcho 3 years ago
It's not hard on the violin.
:P
raslyncarol 3 years ago
vivaldi extraterrestre
egoromero 3 years ago
i love vivaldi..he really knew how to compose such great string sounds that complement the brass really well.
trumpetdudeman07 3 years ago
I have nothing but mad respect for those trumpet soloists... trumpet is one hard instrument to play!
topseyturveylollygag 3 years ago 4
nooo
french horn is.
dungman101 3 years ago
they both are....
topseyturveylollygag 3 years ago
nooo french horn is.
dungman101 3 years ago
u doo realize tht a french horn can play like 3 notes "in a row", while trumpets cant do that
for exaple, french horns can play cde with one fingering, while trumpets can only play cgc with one figering
tard.
dungman101 3 years ago
hey man, Im not going to sit here and argue with you, Im not saying which is harder to play than the other... shit... I dont even really care.. Allz I know is that the trumpets were badass in this peice and that the trumpet solo is hard as hell.
topseyturveylollygag 3 years ago
In a certain sense, you are correct; but from another perspective you are wrong.
When a decent trumpet player is playing notes above the treble clef, the partials become so close together you can use a whole assortment of fingering combinations and end up playing the same phrase/thing/whatever the same way.
EXAMPLE, using my ear I can play a G major (F major concert) scale starting on the G just above the treble clef up to the super G using the fingering combination of 1-3. I just lip it.
jsteuernol 2 years ago 4
this peice is quite easy when in a string quartet
MYBMRecords 3 years ago
I feel that this was quite good, and with a little fine tuning the ending won't sound quite as labored. The second half is a feat after that tough first movement. Bravo gentlemen.
kywildmatt22 3 years ago
the second movement sounds like shit
portugalvideoss 3 years ago
gee, never heard of that instrument.
jelf48 3 years ago 4
Amazing :)
cutencrazy07 4 years ago
I concur. I haven't played trumpet for 20 years, but when I did this was one of my favourites.
Works best when your partner is a good friend.
floatibus 4 years ago
i could do this better... played it infront of 2000 people. There a few duff notes. The first movement is ok but the second one there are two many flat notes. But it's quite a hard piece
qazxswcdevfrbgtnhy 4 years ago
prove it dick breath
CUNsTretcher 3 years ago 2
i personally wouldn't be able to play this....respect!
stefanxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 4 years ago 2
i agree with the other 2 comments.
kurzelukdaniel 4 years ago
can someone PLEASE post a better version of this
bobog123 4 years ago
OMG these guys need more practise!
soulblacknight 4 years ago
You need to practise your spelling. This was amazing, and you can't say anything about it unless you could do it better.
lilbugleboy09 4 years ago