Yes obey laws, but their laws that should be protested to get rid of those radical laws. If women wants to wear the veil, let them wear it, we need freedom of how we want to dress!!!
It's really simple. If you come to our societies to enjoy our resources, you should integrate. There is no law of Nature that says that we have to share resources with someone who is not one of us. Having papers doesn't make you one of us. It simply make you a foreigner with papers. Integrate or get out. No one forces you to come here and no one forces you to leave. I can't build a Church in Mecca so why should I allow you to live like your homeland country?
Okay so they don't mind women walking around half naked like whores but when it comes to women showing modesty when it comes to wearing clothes it is wrong.
@NefariousVirtuoso88 So you say that dressing like a whore is modest. Would you seriously want your mother or your sister dressing up in the shortest dresses and when they go outside all kinds of freaks will be trying to feel them up or somethin. Where is the so called western democracy now, people should have the right what they want to wear.
You guys have some serious problems with "whores". Whats wrong with you?
"mother, sister dressing up in the shortest dresses"
So what? Whats wrong with that?
"freaks will be trying to feel them up"
What freaks do you have on your mind? Sociopaths? Muhammadan freaks?
"the right what they want to wear"
Of course... In your privacy you can wear whatever you want to wear. In public, where people engage in social relationships, you have to adapt accordingly.
@Wrath0fKhan When was the last time whores were respected. When you see a women dressed up modestly you take her to who she is rather than what she looks like, for example you don't talk to her boobs. So your sayin that in public the women don't have the right to dress modestly but they do have the right to dress like sluts.
For example right now (see Germanys, Switzerlands example).
"when you see ... dont talk to her boobs"
Only borderline sociopaths and beyond suffer from this kind o thinking.
"dont have the right to dress modestly"
A walking potato sack has nothing to do with modesty at all.
"sluts"
Again, theres nothing wrong with "sluts". Its the "potato-sack-thinking" and related ideologies just like traditional Islam that drags us back to the medievals.
@Wrath0fKhan You already have thhe fucked up society that waers whatever they want, the difference is they are allowesd to wear less but not more.
You are also saying that the majority can do whatever they please to the minorities and minority rights should not be protected. Typical white europeon mentality.
My mother and sister are capable of deciding how to dress on their own.
This isn't the issue.
The issue is the Burka isn't welcome in Europe, we dont like it, we dont want it, you cant dress like a whore in Saudi Arabia, if you want to wear a tent then leave.
The 70% vote of the french should be enough to ban it outright.
@NefariousVirtuoso88 So by what you are saying you don't have a problem with men looking at the women in your family like sex objects, You are also saying that if the majority of people in France don't want something than the minorities ahould be forced to do things accordingly to the majorities liking. If this is the case they should not call France a democratic country.
Yea. "Total Freedom" as well implies that you are free to kill anyone without any discrimination/oppression, too. Hold on a sec, yet by doing so you are discriminating and oppressing others (e.g. those killed, their families, social structures, et.c). Thank heavens there is no "Total Freedom".
You guess it, by wearing this nonsensical garb, these people are discriminating/oppressing other people by not accepting practical basic local conventions.
Muslims women covered up...they are protected, safe, pearl, free from man's ugly glares/stares, untouched. Those non-Muslims are open, unsafe, hears nasty comments from guys, touched and shared by many...like unwrapped lollypop (obviously, flies gonna come and sit on it...dart will get onto it..it will lose it's taste+flavor and unsanitary to eat). We don't want to see your full of cellulite legs and flabby under arm...disgusting. Hairs falling/flying into someone's mouth..yuck still can't...
@Wrath0fKhan She doesn't fall into the unwrapped lollypop. She is a victims who are getting neglect by family and society. It's different. The father will be punished that's for sure. Violating laws of Q'ran, well, that's why Heaven and hell exits. All religion has bad people.
@Wrath0fKhan First of all, do respect prophets. I don't curse prophets. I don't say, Jesus the bastard child of Mariam. No. Anyway, That's why the Q'ran is here to protect muslims. One of the American President was found Q'ran in his shelf after his death. The Tax systme came from our Zakat system (but our is less burden).
Again; I fail to grasp the deeper meaning of your point.
"I dont say, Jesus the bastard child of Mariam"
I dont follow J. Just for the sake of argument, what if he was a "bastard child"? What then? He still could be a "savior", couldnt he, and it wouldnt matter at all whether he was a "bastard" or not.
Where do they teach that crap? In Zakir Naik reneducation center?
"but our is less burden"
The Muslim world is on average scientifically, economically and socially inferior when compared to the "West". Your people are suffering a much bigger "burden". But its just Allah testing "you", right? Just keep deluding yourself.
Why not? Because Allah says so? But that doesnt really matter, dont you know?
"If others have right to wear what they want"
No... "We" dont have the right tu run around in masks covering our whole bodies. It may be tolerated on Halloween or at Fasching (special type of carnival) but certainly not in common day life.
no because in your shit poor sand monkey countries female tourists from the west MUST dress according to islam or respectfully to it ! so shut the hell up sand monkey and strangle yourself in your goddam burka maybe we wont have to cut down trees to make you a coffin cuz ur already in one! One day there wil be a extermination of your people one day innocent muslim lives wont matter and we will have airplanes nucleur missles and technology to do it! not your pathetic suicide bombers!
@aidan24100 The heads of the muslim religious associations support the ban. Burka is traditionnal not religious as women excision is traditionnal in some islamic countries but it's not religious. Therefore, banning excision and burka has nothing to do with attacking Islam.
Who knows who or what hides under the veil. Could be a suicide bomber. A wanted criminal. An abducted girl. The veil allows criminals to conceal identity in public.
12-y-old muslim girl beaten up and burnt by her husband. Forced marriage at age of 12? WTF? She has to lie to a doctors about what really happened otherwise she could get killed by husband... 12yo - is a child forced to marry someone she dont know, forced to have sex with that guy. Your god asks to do that? Is this RELIGIOUS behavior? Your GOD wants that? SHAME on YOU.
Muslims only hide behind religion. Look at you muslims:
SIN COVERED WITH ANOTHER SIN IN THE NAME OF YOUR GOD.
Sorry but in the Koran where exactly is pointed out that muslim women MUST wear the veil?
And most important: wherever I see muslims wearing veil in Europe the air stinks and people are laughing at them calling them terrorists. This didn't come from nowhere right? If they want to wear it - do it in your own country and do not complain if some countries dont welcome it.
Muslims have absolutley no respect to europeans - WHAT ABOUT OUR CULTURE? WE SAID NO VEILS SO RESPECT THAT MORONS....
Really? Did you conduct some studies? Where those studies published in relevant scientific peer reviewed literature? Just being curious...
"france owes them big time"
You are again comparing "apples to pears" . And those apples are evidently even poisoned ones. France does NOT owe these "nonconformist Muslims" anything. If they want to live just like "uswa hasana" did, they can stay at home in Africa, Arabia, the Middle East, etc.
"i cant believe what .. doing to muslims right now"
I CANT believe what the Muslims are doing to the French right now. France was literally forced to declare up to 800 "no go zones" (e.g. Zones Urbaines Sensibles) which appear to be occupied mostly by the "nonconformist" Muslims, who fail to adapt to French culture and to French law.
"if it was not for .. for france in ww2 and ww1"
You are confusing those who did adapt and those who didnt and immigrated in the last 40 years.
@Wrath0fKhan you half with no body knows cos your in a basement cowardly piece of racist bastard! I am pleased that your upset and muslims and way they are taking over ur mosques influencing your governments and sending you the red note to fuck off out of the country. Your one abusing your own freedom by abusing others. Your leaders like shit hole obama sarkozy and other scums are ones selling you out and given your country to the muslims. We will take it over and deal with scum like you worm.
67pc want Islamisation of society (The Nation; June 01, 2011)
"As many as 67 per cent people of Pakistan want the government take steps for Islamisation, a clear indication that for whatever reasons they have lost faith in the existing system. According to a survey carried out by Gilani Research Foundation, 31 per cent people want the government take the required steps at once..."
Ya come do it il fucking shove a dildo up your ass you arab dog and fuck u till you bleed with it in a mosque! Maybe westerners should go to islam countries with bombs on themselves and kill hundreds of thousands! If i was president i would bring holocaust to your countries and homes! I would go door to door every house every building every nucleur plant and wipe yourpeople out women children eveything you have your ancesters would cry
If there is no veil allowed, there will be NO place to hide when there is a "MARK OF THE BEAST". Some times politicians use things like this to take away freedoms "example patriot act". Let me get this straight you are taking away a freedom to free women? There is something short sighted about that! It is okay to be almost naked but not okay to be almost fully covered? Do you people think a person will not do a suicide bomb because they are not wearing a veil? See Iraq if you believe that.
I think that you are not interested in anything but propaganda. You are not interested in logic, reasoning, morality and right and wrong. You just want to enforce your beliefs on others. I have said all that I can tell you and you have only replied with flawed and irrelevant answers. SInce the video doesn't have that much viewers and I seem to be the only one coming back to see it in the last few days, I am not going to waiste my time with you anymore.
There is no evidence supporting the thesis that "Mary the mother of Jesus" was wearing a full-face/full-body covering. Hence your argument is irrelevant.
@Wrath0fKhan . I didn't say anything about full face covering on my statement. I was referring to his ban on Islamic headscarves in schools. I think he and people like you will eventually move that ban onto the street after the face covering if freedom loving people don't stand up to you. Also, why put my comments above everyone else only when you replies to them not my replies back to you. Why not put my comment about Mary and your reply at the top. You got caught red handed.
Perhaps you didnt. The problem is, this vid is about full face covering. Hence your response was irrelevant. It was me pointing this out.
"referring .. headscarves"
This video aint about headscarves.
Yet I agree with such a prohibition, too. This type of practice/behavior is rooted in medieval mythology and is incompatible with a modern secular society. However, if those people wish to visit a "medieval school", they are free to do so.
@Wrath0fKhan Well even in the BCs, there were plenty of people walking around naked. What century it was practiced makes no difference to whether it is wrong or right. you will find that the same opinions around today and which contradict each other have been around for centuries. It doesn' matter what the video is about, I was giving my opinion
What is wrong or right? Perhaps "that", that can be demonstrated to be wrong or right according to certain applied heuristic. And indeed, Im quite convinced that it can be shown that medieval practices just like practices of Islam are detrimental to any modern society.
It totally does matter what the video is about. If your opinion is not related to the video, your opinion is irrelevant in relation to the video. Hence masking your opinion as relevant is just a "trick".
@Wrath0fKhan . You wrote, "It totally does matter what the video is about." I was making a point about your statement that it does not matter whether the comment of the woman in the video is true or not. However, the issue of banning the burqa ids very relevant to the headscarf because it is about personal freedom and islamophobia.
Obviously your freedom ends where my begins and vice versa. The problem is that "we" as a majority can decide what we consider acceptable and what not. Implementing and applying protective mechanisms designed to allow us to thrive and suppressing what we consider undesirable is an obvious necessity. Whether you like it or not, this a fact. So called Islamophobia is fully justified, since Islam is a medieval system of thought causing social, economic and scientific inferiority.
I think pornography is against women, and I hardly think anyone would doubt that it is against women. Why don't these countries ban pornography?!!! One women in the video said that the veil is not Islamic. Who made her an expert. It is very much Islamic.
@Wrath0fKhan Well niqab being against women is your opinion and maybe its time to rethink your position. Being true or false very much matters because she is making a statement for Islam and for Muslims as a whole. If a religion explicitly states that something is to be done who is she to say it does not say that. People like you don't care about her opinion, you just want someone to say something against Islam.
Indeed, its my opinion. It is as well the opinion of a substantial majority of French citizens and perhaps other citizens of other European nations, too.
"rethink your position"
Maybe its time to rethink yours. Maybe its time to stop walking the vacuous path of medieval ignorance.
"true or false matters"
Not in this case. Actually in this specific case its utterly irrelevant what "truth" is. Its her opinion. Period.
@Wrath0fKhan It is very important what the truth is because she is making an argument, i.e., it is not in Islam so why so Muslims do it. Hence, the response is, it is in Islam (the truth), that is why the Muslims do it.
This coverage is bias. In fact why has it been the case that Western media has hardly asked Niqabi women or brought them on discussion panels. Seconly, the idea that just because someone feels niqab is against women as one woman in the video stated is no reason to prevent women from wear it. The same woman might think that the headcovering is also against women, etc. (and they have actually banned that in French schools) doesn't mean you ban it.
Why call it bias? It reflects the opinion of a majority of French society.
"In fact .. media ..niqabi women .. panels"
In fact, your statement is incorrect. There have been plenty of such discussions and even published video interviews. Just recently one was featured on CNN.
"no reason to prevent .. it"
Thats your opinion. There are other opinions.
"ban"
Actually we can ban what we decide to ban. The alleged Prophet "decided" to ban "things" too.
@Wrath0fKhan In order not to be bias you have to also cover minorities. No one is saying people "don't have the ability to ban" the point is whether they should ban.
Actually you dont have to "cover them" at all. Since there is "no" bias in a statement like "70% support full-body veil ban". (Except of some statistic deviation).
"ability to ban .. should ban"
As Ive said, we can "ban" whatever we want to ban. Why shouldnt we ban what we desire to ban?
@Wrath0fKhan . You shouldn't "ban" whatever you like because the country will become a dictatorship and a fascist, Nazi country. Hitler banned whatever he liked to ban too and the majority of Germans at the time went along with it. He banned the Jews and caused the holocaust. You shouldn't ban whatever you like to ban on moral grounds.
From banning "whatever we like to ban" it does NOT follow that a country would become a dictatorship.
The Hitler analogy is a totally flawed one. Hitler was a crazy dictator. People participating (for example) in applied direct democracy can NOT be equaled to one crazy dictator (obviously for many reasons).
Vast majority of Gs had no idea what Holocaust was about. They learned so at the end of the W when Allies showed them. This shows even more that your anlogy was flawed.
@Wrath0fKhan . Actually, Hitler was elected through a democratic process. The Germans might hanve not known about the Holocaust, but they did follow Hitler in his policies against the Jews. IN fact, if you ban whatever you like, it does follow that it will become a dictatorship. Modern democracy is not just about Majority ruling but also ensuring certain basic rights both for the majority and the minority. Go study history, democracy, etc., and see you are the only one with flawed arguments
Indeed, he was. Ive never disputed that. Yet what you are talking about is a positivist approach. Im talking about a negativistic one. Still, your analogy is totally flawed.
"follow Hitler policies"
Some did, some did not. The majority of Germans were not DIRECTLY involved in Jewish destruction. Neither does a "ban on Jews" necessarily equal Jewish destruction.
"become dictatorship"
Ermmm. No. You havent demonstrated that it would (either).
"Modern democracy .. majority .. basic rights .. minority"
Sure. I dont dispute that. For example criminals will be treated according to our modern understanding of psychology/psychiatry. So will mentally ill people, like you. :))
Islam is not Catholocism and does not repress sex and sexual activity. In fact it encourages sex (hence the biggest reason for growth in Muslim population worldwide). Only that it teaches you to have your sexual activity in a descent and healthy manner. In fact, in this way you have more and better sex. In the West you can't even have sex without getting drunk before it.
Actually it does. It represses sexual activity outside of wedlock. It as well represses homosexual activity. And it represses certain types of sexual activity, too (anal intercourse specifically).
"growth in Muslim population"
Maybe we should stop selling you all the vaccines keeping your kids alive. What a nasty thought.
"descent and healthy manner"
Hardly. The results are measurable. Women are beaten and misused as breeding ovens.
@Wrath0fKhan > What your are referring to is not repressing sexual activity. For example not allowing sex with children is not repressing sexual activity. Not allowing sex with animals is not repressing sexual activity. Unless you believe that in order not to repress sexual activity anything should go. Islam also belives homosexuality and sex out of wedlock (which according to some sects of Islam people can engage in temporary wedlock) is not repressing sexual activity.
@MokhalefeNadani "sex with children" Obviously we are not talking about sex with children. "sex with animals is not repressing sexual activity" Actually it is about repressing sexual activity. "anything should go" This does NOT follow from our previous discussion. "Islam also believes" Islam does NOT believe anything. Even if I allow this misconstruction, I dont "care" what Islam believes, nor does vast majority of my fellow Europeans. "temporary wedlock" Not according to Sahih Hadith.
@Wrath0fKhan . Depend on what you call "Sahih" hadith. Temporary marriage is in the Quran, (which people who want to ban the Burqa always quote against the face veil). Its not about whether you care or not I am stating my position and that of 1.5 billion people. Well, there is no need to turn this into a battle of words, if you prefer I could say Islam states, or recommends, or, etc.
No, it doesnt depend on what I call Sahih Hadith. It depends on what was historically called (decided to be considered as) Sahih Hadith by renown Muslim scholars.
All four Sunni Madhab (schools of law" agree that so called temporary marriage (e.g. Nikah Mutah) is invalid. (Fiqh Ala al-Madhahib al-Arbaa, v4, pp 90-94.)
Your position was shown to be invalid. Those people who allegedly stand behind you have no say "over here".
@Wrath0fKhan . No, it doesnt depend on what I call Sahih Hadith. It depends on what was historically called (decided to be considered as). No it does matter, because there are different schools of thought in Islam. I said certain sects believe in temporary marriage and IT IS in the Quran. So you are the one who has given a false argument. I am not a Sunni so you quoting the four Sunni Madhhabs makes no difference to me.
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muslims women who dress like this are feeble minded..no woman with an education would dress like this..i mean its like running around with a fucking halloween costume on all year round!! "trick or treat"!!..fuck me dead!!!
thers is NOTHING!! not one word in the koran about women having to dress like this..its says dress moderatley..i dress moderatelty...this is just extremisim
Well, if this is just extremism, then there is no need for the Muslims to complain, right?
However, Quran does not equal Islam. Since the Quran aint really very specific about the female dress code, its wise to "consult" the Salaf. How should we do that? By reading through some Sahih Hadith, for example. Or perhaps by acquainting ourselves with some specific jurisprudence which was provided by the "Big Four". Thats what Islam is about...
You said the Quran wouldnt command women to dress like that. I was trying to point out that Quran does not equal Islam. Islam equals Quran, Sunnah, Tafsir and some specific historic jurisprudence and some additional Islamic philosophy. If we take the "whole package", then indeed, the dress code is much more stricter than what one would assume if one took into account a Quran only position.
@Wrath0fKhan no,your saying those words again..hadith tasifir..do you really think i care about islam and its book of fairy tales?..the women who dress like this are poorly educated,anyone with half a brain would not subject themselves to this self containment unit that cuts them off from society
I dont know whether your "really" care or not. You came forward and said this:
"thers is NOTHING!! not one word in the koran about women having to dress like this..its says dress moderatley..i dress moderatelty...this is just extremisim."
Im reminding you that the Quran-only position is not considered an option in Islam. Especially not if one considers the "Prophet" and the Salaf to be the leading examples worthy of imitation. Interestingly, the Quran is quite explicit here.
How do you know so much about the Islamic prophet? You said you didnt know about "Sahih Hadith".
I dont understand well what you are attempting to say here. Are you saying that we should take this example of his and implement it in our "Wester societies"?
@Wrath0fKhan your from the chechoslavakia (im not sure how you spell it)...a poor eastern european country...like borat!...you have nothing better to do with your time than quote the koran at me...ite boring me ridgid!!
Geez... Can you at least quote me once where I supposedly quoted the Quran in our exchange? Bet you cant... I want your panties. Not the dirty ones. :))
@Wrath0fKhan you know,i can actually sympathise with muslim female suicide bombers...cos if io looked in my wardrobe and all i had to wear was a black burka and sandles.....ID BLOW MYSELF UP!!!...muslim women need to get some style...it is a known fact that no suicide bomber has ever been found in dolce and gabana or prada
If Western women go to a Muslim country they're required to dress n behave accordin to what is so socially accepted. The problem with these countries is that they expect us to abide by their laws and social cues in their countries, but then come to ours and refuse to do the same. I dont condone the ban, I would pay every fine I received if it meant being able to wear a cross in public, but I do understand the viewpoint.
what if I decided to wear the Burka, or the Niqab, which my religion does not FORCE me to (I wear a simple hijab) AREN'T YOU OPRESSING ME BY TELLING ME I CAN'T? You cannot tell me in which way it is that I feel liberated ... SCREW FRANCE..
Of course we are oppressing you. Since we have abandonded these (or similar) traditions some time ago, its however you who should adapt to our customs (especially if you are living here) and stop oppressing us with yours. Thats how the rules are. Even Islamic rules are in its principle very similar. Btw, no one is forcing you to abandon your customs in you privacy... LOL
@Wrath0fKhan you are so fucking stupid. whats the point if I can't cover myself in public? And why the HELL should anybody care about what a person chooses to wear.. If someones allowed to wear close to nothing if they choose, I should, If I wanted too, be able to cover myself head to toe. YOU ARE A FUCKING RACIST BIGOT... educate yourself, bitch! NO ONE IS OPPRESSING ME! I live in fucking CANADA, THANK GOD FOR THAT!
You cant cover yourself in public because in general its oppressing rights of the majority of the people living "here". I dont care what you are wearing in private. You have still plenty of room to live your fairy tale.
Why racist bigot? Because Im against your racist bigoted religion and tradition? Indeed, we must draw a line somewhere. Thank dog Canada will consider banning that religious, bigoted, racist crap in public soon... :)
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@Wrath0fKhan HOLDDDDDDDDDDDD ONNNNNNNNN when a woman is covering her self she is oppressing the rights of the majority?????? first of all i can care lessssssssss about the majority for they can all go to hell and how about all those woman walking around in bootyshorts and belly shirts? thats not oppressing others? i sure as hell wouldnt want my kids look at that cuz that just trash and who ever wears that is trash just like that sorry truth hurts!
@ymniah10 "when .. oppressing .. majority?" Yes. "care less about the majority" Yes, you can care less. Your complaints and objections will be handled the same way (e.g. reciprocally). "booty shorts and belly shirts?" Yes. "opressing others" No. "Trash" Not according to our standard. Our standard is the key standard here. Not yours.
@Wrath0fKhan first of all smart one im a lady not a guy second of all my rights will apply here just as they would apply any where else so nor u or ur radical government will remove me its my country as much as its urz maybe more so live with it !
Why should I believe you anything what you are saying? Until now all you came up was plain demagogy. Maybe you are just a Salafi shill playing her/his games.
As soon as these rules officially in place, you will be removed from public space one way or another. Better ask Allah to give you a winning lottery ticket so you can pay all the fines.
@ymniah10 first of all im not no damn salafi nor am i anywhere near those people dont even practice islam right second of all i wont be removed from public square no way possible i would just love to see that happen cant wait lool u people r hilarious btw lottery is haram ; )
Thats what you claim here and now but you might well be one. Since you cant disprove this, this option stays on the table. Especially if "we" have to consider your suspicious behavior.
"removed"
Well, that obviously depends on some conditions, doesnt it.
"lottery is haram"
That depends on some conditions too. Earthly lottery (cards, roulette, etc. are haram, yet the cosmic one is not (e.g. occurrences not distinguishable from background noise). Right? LOL
@ymniah10 What a dick you are, typical response as well, tell me did you see any of the women being interviewed wearing bootyshorts and belly shirts. Women in the west have respect, they also have the right of the law in if a man made suggestive remarks about thier attire then it would be the man who would serve a penalty not the woman.
@stonewall1888 oooo im a dick now because i believe in womans rights? i think ur the typical one not me and wat makes u think that if a man makes a remark he wont get punished? to let u no their is a law and it protects woman so get ur head outta ur ass and dont tell me im the typical one
Dont you understand? Your rights dont apply here (in the West). Rather return home. There you can propagate those superior rights and attempt to build a superior model society.
Womens are mens fields. Rape them as you desire:
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So... Remove yourself from here willingly or you will be removed unwillingly. :))
@ymniah10 You completly missed the point. You assume that all western women wear clothes that you mentioned. What I am saying is that your response is subject to ridicule. Women wear what they want and the majority wear respectful clothes, some wear clothes that are not , there choice. However you as a muslim with a faith will rip holes into anything that is not. Again how many women did you see in the interview wearing bootyshorts and belly shirts? Can you answer that?
@ymniah10 no no no i didnt miss the point i think u misunderstood me i didnt say they all wear that i said that wearing booty shorts and belly shirts is offensive so basically the second they ban that, they should start talking bout banning the niqab thats wat i meant "Women wear what they want" and those are your words not mine so leave these woman alone and let them be cuz they arent harming you or anyone else!
Even if we all walked around naked... Its our rules and you are supposed to adapt. Again, ask Allah for a winning lottery ticket. "Your" foolishness is gonna be expensive. LOL
but seriously.. why allow the slit for eyes.. might as well go a step further and paste some googally eyes over the cape.. and maybe a mr.potatoe head nose.
What is going on.These French peoples are Mad i mean a Naked women is Allowed everywhere even in churches but a women who is wear a religious cloths is ban. what are you peoples doing atleast follow you Scriptures even in Bible it is Mentioned in several places that a women should cover her body.Just because you Europeans and Americans are showing that we are Moderns am sorry to say but your womens are no less then Prostitutes .
We are Muslims not Muhammadans and 2nd thing if you think Burka is Unnatural then throw your Bible out of home because that book talks about unnatural things.
YOU ARE INFERIOR WHO LOVE TO SEE HER SISTER IN BIKINI OR IN "NAKED = NATURAL" LOOK.
I know this comment will burn you so am not gonna mess with you more BYE :)
BTW, then france conducted a study and it showed that most a the women wearing the niqab's and burka's... WERE FRENCH! FRENCH BORN* FRENCH CONVERTS! FRENCH EUROPEAN MUSLIM CONVERTS! FUCK FRANCE, THEY WERE FASCIST, AND THEY STILL ARE; Nothing New under the sun...
Why should the Muhammadans like us? Their ways are worthy of despise. Wherever we measure their rise, there we measure the rise of social, economic and scientific inferiority too. The disdain seems to be mutual.
No one is forcing "you" to dress "certain way". On the contrary. They are implementing a law that demands HOW TO NOT DRESS certain way in public space. NO WALKING MAGICAL MYTHICAL MYSTICAL POTATO SACKS!
"No one is forcing "you" to dress "certain way". On the contrary. They are implementing a law that demands HOW TO NOT DRESS certain way" YOUR A DUMB ASS*
Yes obey laws, but their laws that should be protested to get rid of those radical laws. If women wants to wear the veil, let them wear it, we need freedom of how we want to dress!!!
CatholicCentrals 2 weeks ago
@USAdude30
i think i'll steal that one for you
robocong7420 1 month ago
@SlaveOfAllah92
"Thats soo true"
No, "thats" not true. That "that" is pure garbage thought.
Wrath0fKhan 3 months ago
This should be standard in every secular country.
The Burka is a refusal to assimilate.
Its the thin end of a much thicker wedge.
Gerrt Wilders FTW ! ! !
NefariousVirtuoso88 4 months ago
It's really simple. If you come to our societies to enjoy our resources, you should integrate. There is no law of Nature that says that we have to share resources with someone who is not one of us. Having papers doesn't make you one of us. It simply make you a foreigner with papers. Integrate or get out. No one forces you to come here and no one forces you to leave. I can't build a Church in Mecca so why should I allow you to live like your homeland country?
260191894 4 months ago
Vive' la France!!, old saying when in Rome....
debzeppeliniv 4 months ago
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Okay so they don't mind women walking around half naked like whores but when it comes to women showing modesty when it comes to wearing clothes it is wrong.
Mr12inches1 5 months ago
@Mr12inches1
dressing in a fucking tent is NOT modest
its france not saudi arabia
NefariousVirtuoso88 4 months ago 3
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@NefariousVirtuoso88 So you say that dressing like a whore is modest. Would you seriously want your mother or your sister dressing up in the shortest dresses and when they go outside all kinds of freaks will be trying to feel them up or somethin. Where is the so called western democracy now, people should have the right what they want to wear.
Mr12inches1 4 months ago
@Mr12inches1
"whore"
You guys have some serious problems with "whores". Whats wrong with you?
"mother, sister dressing up in the shortest dresses"
So what? Whats wrong with that?
"freaks will be trying to feel them up"
What freaks do you have on your mind? Sociopaths? Muhammadan freaks?
"the right what they want to wear"
Of course... In your privacy you can wear whatever you want to wear. In public, where people engage in social relationships, you have to adapt accordingly.
Wrath0fKhan 4 months ago
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@Wrath0fKhan When was the last time whores were respected. When you see a women dressed up modestly you take her to who she is rather than what she looks like, for example you don't talk to her boobs. So your sayin that in public the women don't have the right to dress modestly but they do have the right to dress like sluts.
Mr12inches1 4 months ago
@M
"when was the last time whores were respected"
For example right now (see Germanys, Switzerlands example).
"when you see ... dont talk to her boobs"
Only borderline sociopaths and beyond suffer from this kind o thinking.
"dont have the right to dress modestly"
A walking potato sack has nothing to do with modesty at all.
"sluts"
Again, theres nothing wrong with "sluts". Its the "potato-sack-thinking" and related ideologies just like traditional Islam that drags us back to the medievals.
Wrath0fKhan 4 months ago
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@Wrath0fKhan So you are basically sayin that women don't get the right to wear what they want in your so called democratic europe.
Mr12inches1 4 months ago
@Mr12inches1
"so you are basically sayin that women dont get the right to wear what they want"
Obviously... Where would we be if everyone did (wore) whatever was pleasing them?!
"so called democratic europe"
Being democratic is exactly that - majority deciding about the rules. So better be careful what you wish for.
Wrath0fKhan 4 months ago
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@Wrath0fKhan You already have thhe fucked up society that waers whatever they want, the difference is they are allowesd to wear less but not more.
You are also saying that the majority can do whatever they please to the minorities and minority rights should not be protected. Typical white europeon mentality.
Mr12inches1 4 months ago
@Mr12inches1
"fucked up society"
Indeed... Lets have a look:
scimagojr(.)com/countryrank(.)php
arwu(.)org/ARWU2009_2(.)jsp
timssandpirls.bc(.)edu/TIMSS2007/techreport(.)html
consang(.)net/index(.)php/Global_prevalence
en.wikipedia(.)org/wiki/Press_Freedom_Index
en.wikipedia(.)org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index
Wrath0fKhan 4 months ago 2
@Mr12inches1
"You are also saying that the majority can do whatever they please to the minorities and minority rights should not be protected"
Your invocation of "democracy" is indicating that. Because thats what "democracy" is about. Demos kratos (Gr.) - people power.
"typical white europeon mentality"
Just like here, right?
watch?v=fVIuhx8vP70
You are a tool of ignorance. Good bye.
Wrath0fKhan 4 months ago 2
@Wrath0fKhan very true
CatholicCentrals 2 weeks ago
@Mr12inches1
I didn't say dressing like a whore is modest.
My mother and sister are capable of deciding how to dress on their own.
This isn't the issue.
The issue is the Burka isn't welcome in Europe, we dont like it, we dont want it, you cant dress like a whore in Saudi Arabia, if you want to wear a tent then leave.
The 70% vote of the french should be enough to ban it outright.
NefariousVirtuoso88 4 months ago 5
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@NefariousVirtuoso88 So by what you are saying you don't have a problem with men looking at the women in your family like sex objects, You are also saying that if the majority of people in France don't want something than the minorities ahould be forced to do things accordingly to the majorities liking. If this is the case they should not call France a democratic country.
Mr12inches1 4 months ago
"freedom of women"
last time i checked freedom meant you can do anything you want without discrimination/oppression.
like wearing clothes
ShutUpAndOutNow 7 months ago
@ShutUpAndOutNow
Yea. "Total Freedom" as well implies that you are free to kill anyone without any discrimination/oppression, too. Hold on a sec, yet by doing so you are discriminating and oppressing others (e.g. those killed, their families, social structures, et.c). Thank heavens there is no "Total Freedom".
You guess it, by wearing this nonsensical garb, these people are discriminating/oppressing other people by not accepting practical basic local conventions.
Ding, ding, ding, ding.
Wrath0fKhan 7 months ago
this religion must be stopped.
atheist382 8 months ago 4
All countries must ban it.
atheist382 8 months ago
Muslims women covered up...they are protected, safe, pearl, free from man's ugly glares/stares, untouched. Those non-Muslims are open, unsafe, hears nasty comments from guys, touched and shared by many...like unwrapped lollypop (obviously, flies gonna come and sit on it...dart will get onto it..it will lose it's taste+flavor and unsanitary to eat). We don't want to see your full of cellulite legs and flabby under arm...disgusting. Hairs falling/flying into someone's mouth..yuck still can't...
tinini7 10 months ago
@tinini7
What a load of intellectual garbage.
Reality bites:
watch?v=Xt_WH8EtTeI
watch?v=1tvtqCMDFIk
watch?v=eCWtdGkJx2E
Whos the unwrapped lolly now?
Wrath0fKhan 10 months ago 3
@Wrath0fKhan She doesn't fall into the unwrapped lollypop. She is a victims who are getting neglect by family and society. It's different. The father will be punished that's for sure. Violating laws of Q'ran, well, that's why Heaven and hell exits. All religion has bad people.
tinini7 10 months ago
@tinini7
"getting neglect by family and society"
Thats what Islam really is about. Economic, scientific and of course social inferiority.
"the father will be punished thats for sure"
Not according to Islamic orthodoxy. See Umdat al-Salik wa Uddat al-Nasik, o1.2.
"violating laws of Quran thats why Heaven and hell exist"
Really? Only under the assumption that Quran and Islam are true. Evidence suggests they arent true at all.
Wrath0fKhan 10 months ago
@tinini7
"all religion has bad people"
No doubt about that. Yet emulating a thug (e.g. alleged prophet Muhammad) puts eventually anyone on the path of thuggery as well.
More reality bites:
"Silence on spousal sexual assault jarring: Doctors" (The Express Tribune)
"Domestic violence rings alarm bells in Turkey" (Hurriyet)
watch?v=lG5mI24e3qk
watch?v=QwlW9Qq_zEc
Wrath0fKhan 10 months ago 4
@Wrath0fKhan First of all, do respect prophets. I don't curse prophets. I don't say, Jesus the bastard child of Mariam. No. Anyway, That's why the Q'ran is here to protect muslims. One of the American President was found Q'ran in his shelf after his death. The Tax systme came from our Zakat system (but our is less burden).
tinini7 10 months ago
@tinini7
"do respect prophets"
So what? Should I therefore respect them, too?
"I dont curse prophets"
Again; I fail to grasp the deeper meaning of your point.
"I dont say, Jesus the bastard child of Mariam"
I dont follow J. Just for the sake of argument, what if he was a "bastard child"? What then? He still could be a "savior", couldnt he, and it wouldnt matter at all whether he was a "bastard" or not.
"Q is here to protect M"
Are you in need of more "reality bites"?
Wrath0fKhan 10 months ago
@tinini7
"tax system came from our Zakat system"
Where do they teach that crap? In Zakir Naik reneducation center?
"but our is less burden"
The Muslim world is on average scientifically, economically and socially inferior when compared to the "West". Your people are suffering a much bigger "burden". But its just Allah testing "you", right? Just keep deluding yourself.
Wrath0fKhan 10 months ago 5
Muslim women are not slaves of people.
If others have right to wear what they want. We really Should have right to wear what we want!
You cannot stop us!
MissMastoo 10 months ago
@MissMastoo
"Muslim women are not slaves of people"
Why not? Because Allah says so? But that doesnt really matter, dont you know?
"If others have right to wear what they want"
No... "We" dont have the right tu run around in masks covering our whole bodies. It may be tolerated on Halloween or at Fasching (special type of carnival) but certainly not in common day life.
"you cannot stop us"
Yes, we can. ;-)
Wrath0fKhan 10 months ago
no because in your shit poor sand monkey countries female tourists from the west MUST dress according to islam or respectfully to it ! so shut the hell up sand monkey and strangle yourself in your goddam burka maybe we wont have to cut down trees to make you a coffin cuz ur already in one! One day there wil be a extermination of your people one day innocent muslim lives wont matter and we will have airplanes nucleur missles and technology to do it! not your pathetic suicide bombers!
8MKR8 7 months ago
@8MKR8 Ignorance is actually hilarious.
Amanified 3 months ago
@aidan24100 The heads of the muslim religious associations support the ban. Burka is traditionnal not religious as women excision is traditionnal in some islamic countries but it's not religious. Therefore, banning excision and burka has nothing to do with attacking Islam.
andromaque7 10 months ago
If i went to another country i'd adopt and listen to their culture so these muslims should do the same.
RCXDominator 10 months ago
When in France do as the French want or leave the country... very simple.
fuzzypaws17 10 months ago 4
It's for public security as well.
Who knows who or what hides under the veil. Could be a suicide bomber. A wanted criminal. An abducted girl. The veil allows criminals to conceal identity in public.
ktchong 11 months ago 3
@ktchong Check out on youtube-(EUROPE 2029)
m00se321 10 months ago
12-y-old muslim girl beaten up and burnt by her husband. Forced marriage at age of 12? WTF? She has to lie to a doctors about what really happened otherwise she could get killed by husband... 12yo - is a child forced to marry someone she dont know, forced to have sex with that guy. Your god asks to do that? Is this RELIGIOUS behavior? Your GOD wants that? SHAME on YOU.
Muslims only hide behind religion. Look at you muslims:
SIN COVERED WITH ANOTHER SIN IN THE NAME OF YOUR GOD.
Jazzmanpac 11 months ago 4
Sorry but in the Koran where exactly is pointed out that muslim women MUST wear the veil?
And most important: wherever I see muslims wearing veil in Europe the air stinks and people are laughing at them calling them terrorists. This didn't come from nowhere right? If they want to wear it - do it in your own country and do not complain if some countries dont welcome it.
Muslims have absolutley no respect to europeans - WHAT ABOUT OUR CULTURE? WE SAID NO VEILS SO RESPECT THAT MORONS....
Jazzmanpac 11 months ago
@aidan24100
"france would have lost the war"
Really? Did you conduct some studies? Where those studies published in relevant scientific peer reviewed literature? Just being curious...
"france owes them big time"
You are again comparing "apples to pears" . And those apples are evidently even poisoned ones. France does NOT owe these "nonconformist Muslims" anything. If they want to live just like "uswa hasana" did, they can stay at home in Africa, Arabia, the Middle East, etc.
Wrath0fKhan 11 months ago 14
@Wrath0fKhan
very well said
robocong7420 1 month ago
@aidan24100
"i cant believe what .. doing to muslims right now"
I CANT believe what the Muslims are doing to the French right now. France was literally forced to declare up to 800 "no go zones" (e.g. Zones Urbaines Sensibles) which appear to be occupied mostly by the "nonconformist" Muslims, who fail to adapt to French culture and to French law.
"if it was not for .. for france in ww2 and ww1"
You are confusing those who did adapt and those who didnt and immigrated in the last 40 years.
Wrath0fKhan 11 months ago 16
@Wrath0fKhan you half with no body knows cos your in a basement cowardly piece of racist bastard! I am pleased that your upset and muslims and way they are taking over ur mosques influencing your governments and sending you the red note to fuck off out of the country. Your one abusing your own freedom by abusing others. Your leaders like shit hole obama sarkozy and other scums are ones selling you out and given your country to the muslims. We will take it over and deal with scum like you worm.
Buck34562 9 months ago
@Buck34562
Scum... Look:
67pc want Islamisation of society (The Nation; June 01, 2011)
"As many as 67 per cent people of Pakistan want the government take steps for Islamisation, a clear indication that for whatever reasons they have lost faith in the existing system. According to a survey carried out by Gilani Research Foundation, 31 per cent people want the government take the required steps at once..."
Wrath0fKhan 9 months ago 3
@Buck34562
More scum. Look:
The Pew Research Center's Global Attitudes Project (August 13, 2009)
Pakistan: Growing Concerns About Extremism, Continuing Discontent with U.S.
78% favour death for those who leave Islam;
80% favour whippings and cutting off hands for crimes like theft and robbery;
83% favour stoning adulterers.
Wrath0fKhan 9 months ago 3
Ya come do it il fucking shove a dildo up your ass you arab dog and fuck u till you bleed with it in a mosque! Maybe westerners should go to islam countries with bombs on themselves and kill hundreds of thousands! If i was president i would bring holocaust to your countries and homes! I would go door to door every house every building every nucleur plant and wipe yourpeople out women children eveything you have your ancesters would cry
8MKR8 7 months ago
@8MKR8 LOL and then we're called the terrorists. Hypocrites.
Amanified 3 months ago
i slept with the paki orgin woman at 0:46 in 97
terajasoos 1 year ago
Gotta love the French, only open minded when its convenient
msu2010 1 year ago
@msu2010
Circa 800 "Zones Urbaines Sensibles" is enough, dont you think so...
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago
Ban the burqa..full-time supporter
belauidid 1 year ago
70% ! I would say 90%. Yes to islam in France but not like this !
siorac54 1 year ago 4
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siorac54 1 year ago
If there is no veil allowed, there will be NO place to hide when there is a "MARK OF THE BEAST". Some times politicians use things like this to take away freedoms "example patriot act". Let me get this straight you are taking away a freedom to free women? There is something short sighted about that! It is okay to be almost naked but not okay to be almost fully covered? Do you people think a person will not do a suicide bomb because they are not wearing a veil? See Iraq if you believe that.
indyman77 1 year ago
@indyman77
You cant hide from me! No matter how hard you try! LOL
"suicide bombing"
Yea. Its much more difficult to commit suicide bombing when one doesnt have the opportunity to hide bombs under a cloak.
Since you mention "freedom". What about the violation of "my" cultural practice and freedom?
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago 2
I think that you are not interested in anything but propaganda. You are not interested in logic, reasoning, morality and right and wrong. You just want to enforce your beliefs on others. I have said all that I can tell you and you have only replied with flawed and irrelevant answers. SInce the video doesn't have that much viewers and I seem to be the only one coming back to see it in the last few days, I am not going to waiste my time with you anymore.
MokhalefeNadani 1 year ago
@MokhalefeNadani
"Propaganda"
Like what? Like the Quran and Hadith?
"logic, reasoning, morality .. wrong"
Im not interested in your faulty logic, faulty reasoning, faulty medieval morality and falsely derived rights and wrongs.
"enforce your beliefs on others"
No. I just want to prevent Islamic nonsense to be enforced on "my people" (just as "my people" want to prevent Islamic nonsense to be enforced on me).
"I have .. irrelevant answers"
Yes, I agree. Your answers were very much irrelevant.
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago 3
If Mary the mother of Jesus was alive today Sarkozy would ban her from wearing her headcovering.
MokhalefeNadani 1 year ago
@MokhalefeNadani
There is no evidence supporting the thesis that "Mary the mother of Jesus" was wearing a full-face/full-body covering. Hence your argument is irrelevant.
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago
@Wrath0fKhan . I didn't say anything about full face covering on my statement. I was referring to his ban on Islamic headscarves in schools. I think he and people like you will eventually move that ban onto the street after the face covering if freedom loving people don't stand up to you. Also, why put my comments above everyone else only when you replies to them not my replies back to you. Why not put my comment about Mary and your reply at the top. You got caught red handed.
MokhalefeNadani 1 year ago
@MokhalefeNadani
"I .. full face .. statement"
Perhaps you didnt. The problem is, this vid is about full face covering. Hence your response was irrelevant. It was me pointing this out.
"referring .. headscarves"
This video aint about headscarves.
Yet I agree with such a prohibition, too. This type of practice/behavior is rooted in medieval mythology and is incompatible with a modern secular society. However, if those people wish to visit a "medieval school", they are free to do so.
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago
@Wrath0fKhan Well even in the BCs, there were plenty of people walking around naked. What century it was practiced makes no difference to whether it is wrong or right. you will find that the same opinions around today and which contradict each other have been around for centuries. It doesn' matter what the video is about, I was giving my opinion
MokhalefeNadani 1 year ago
@MokhalefeNadani
What is wrong or right? Perhaps "that", that can be demonstrated to be wrong or right according to certain applied heuristic. And indeed, Im quite convinced that it can be shown that medieval practices just like practices of Islam are detrimental to any modern society.
It totally does matter what the video is about. If your opinion is not related to the video, your opinion is irrelevant in relation to the video. Hence masking your opinion as relevant is just a "trick".
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago
@Wrath0fKhan . You wrote, "It totally does matter what the video is about." I was making a point about your statement that it does not matter whether the comment of the woman in the video is true or not. However, the issue of banning the burqa ids very relevant to the headscarf because it is about personal freedom and islamophobia.
MokhalefeNadani 1 year ago
@MokhalefeNadani
Obviously your freedom ends where my begins and vice versa. The problem is that "we" as a majority can decide what we consider acceptable and what not. Implementing and applying protective mechanisms designed to allow us to thrive and suppressing what we consider undesirable is an obvious necessity. Whether you like it or not, this a fact. So called Islamophobia is fully justified, since Islam is a medieval system of thought causing social, economic and scientific inferiority.
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago
I think pornography is against women, and I hardly think anyone would doubt that it is against women. Why don't these countries ban pornography?!!! One women in the video said that the veil is not Islamic. Who made her an expert. It is very much Islamic.
MokhalefeNadani 1 year ago
@MokhalefeNadani
"pornography is against women"
Thats your personal opinion. There are other possible opinions which are actively held by other people, too.
"I hardly think anyone would doubt that it is against women"
Maybe its time to re-think your position. Maybe youve been closing your eyes for too long.
"women .. veil .. not Islamic"
Obviously that appears to be her opinion. Whether its true or false that doesnt matter here.
"very much Islamic"
Indeed. Here I do agree with you...
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago
@Wrath0fKhan Well niqab being against women is your opinion and maybe its time to rethink your position. Being true or false very much matters because she is making a statement for Islam and for Muslims as a whole. If a religion explicitly states that something is to be done who is she to say it does not say that. People like you don't care about her opinion, you just want someone to say something against Islam.
MokhalefeNadani 1 year ago
@MokhalefeNadani
"your opinion"
Indeed, its my opinion. It is as well the opinion of a substantial majority of French citizens and perhaps other citizens of other European nations, too.
"rethink your position"
Maybe its time to rethink yours. Maybe its time to stop walking the vacuous path of medieval ignorance.
"true or false matters"
Not in this case. Actually in this specific case its utterly irrelevant what "truth" is. Its her opinion. Period.
"against Islam"
Doesnt necessarily follow.
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago
@Wrath0fKhan It is very important what the truth is because she is making an argument, i.e., it is not in Islam so why so Muslims do it. Hence, the response is, it is in Islam (the truth), that is why the Muslims do it.
MokhalefeNadani 1 year ago
@MokhalefeNadani
The truth is irrelevant exactly because this was about her opinion and not about whether her opinion was possibly correct or false.
"Muslims do it"
Some do, some dont. An absolute generalization is evidently not possible in this case.
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago
This coverage is bias. In fact why has it been the case that Western media has hardly asked Niqabi women or brought them on discussion panels. Seconly, the idea that just because someone feels niqab is against women as one woman in the video stated is no reason to prevent women from wear it. The same woman might think that the headcovering is also against women, etc. (and they have actually banned that in French schools) doesn't mean you ban it.
MokhalefeNadani 1 year ago
@MokhalefeNadani
"This coverage is bias"
Why call it bias? It reflects the opinion of a majority of French society.
"In fact .. media ..niqabi women .. panels"
In fact, your statement is incorrect. There have been plenty of such discussions and even published video interviews. Just recently one was featured on CNN.
"no reason to prevent .. it"
Thats your opinion. There are other opinions.
"ban"
Actually we can ban what we decide to ban. The alleged Prophet "decided" to ban "things" too.
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago
@Wrath0fKhan In order not to be bias you have to also cover minorities. No one is saying people "don't have the ability to ban" the point is whether they should ban.
MokhalefeNadani 1 year ago
@MokhalefeNadani
"not to be bias .. cover minorities"
Actually you dont have to "cover them" at all. Since there is "no" bias in a statement like "70% support full-body veil ban". (Except of some statistic deviation).
"ability to ban .. should ban"
As Ive said, we can "ban" whatever we want to ban. Why shouldnt we ban what we desire to ban?
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago
@Wrath0fKhan . You shouldn't "ban" whatever you like because the country will become a dictatorship and a fascist, Nazi country. Hitler banned whatever he liked to ban too and the majority of Germans at the time went along with it. He banned the Jews and caused the holocaust. You shouldn't ban whatever you like to ban on moral grounds.
MokhalefeNadani 1 year ago
@MokhalefeNadani
From banning "whatever we like to ban" it does NOT follow that a country would become a dictatorship.
The Hitler analogy is a totally flawed one. Hitler was a crazy dictator. People participating (for example) in applied direct democracy can NOT be equaled to one crazy dictator (obviously for many reasons).
Vast majority of Gs had no idea what Holocaust was about. They learned so at the end of the W when Allies showed them. This shows even more that your anlogy was flawed.
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago
@Wrath0fKhan . Actually, Hitler was elected through a democratic process. The Germans might hanve not known about the Holocaust, but they did follow Hitler in his policies against the Jews. IN fact, if you ban whatever you like, it does follow that it will become a dictatorship. Modern democracy is not just about Majority ruling but also ensuring certain basic rights both for the majority and the minority. Go study history, democracy, etc., and see you are the only one with flawed arguments
MokhalefeNadani 1 year ago
@MokhalefeNadani
"Hitler .. democratic process"
Indeed, he was. Ive never disputed that. Yet what you are talking about is a positivist approach. Im talking about a negativistic one. Still, your analogy is totally flawed.
"follow Hitler policies"
Some did, some did not. The majority of Germans were not DIRECTLY involved in Jewish destruction. Neither does a "ban on Jews" necessarily equal Jewish destruction.
"become dictatorship"
Ermmm. No. You havent demonstrated that it would (either).
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago
@MokhalefeNadani
"Modern democracy .. majority .. basic rights .. minority"
Sure. I dont dispute that. For example criminals will be treated according to our modern understanding of psychology/psychiatry. So will mentally ill people, like you. :))
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago
Islam is not Catholocism and does not repress sex and sexual activity. In fact it encourages sex (hence the biggest reason for growth in Muslim population worldwide). Only that it teaches you to have your sexual activity in a descent and healthy manner. In fact, in this way you have more and better sex. In the West you can't even have sex without getting drunk before it.
MokhalefeNadani 1 year ago
@MokhalefeNadani
"does not repress sex and sexual activity"
Actually it does. It represses sexual activity outside of wedlock. It as well represses homosexual activity. And it represses certain types of sexual activity, too (anal intercourse specifically).
"growth in Muslim population"
Maybe we should stop selling you all the vaccines keeping your kids alive. What a nasty thought.
"descent and healthy manner"
Hardly. The results are measurable. Women are beaten and misused as breeding ovens.
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago
@Wrath0fKhan > What your are referring to is not repressing sexual activity. For example not allowing sex with children is not repressing sexual activity. Not allowing sex with animals is not repressing sexual activity. Unless you believe that in order not to repress sexual activity anything should go. Islam also belives homosexuality and sex out of wedlock (which according to some sects of Islam people can engage in temporary wedlock) is not repressing sexual activity.
MokhalefeNadani 1 year ago
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago
@Wrath0fKhan . Depend on what you call "Sahih" hadith. Temporary marriage is in the Quran, (which people who want to ban the Burqa always quote against the face veil). Its not about whether you care or not I am stating my position and that of 1.5 billion people. Well, there is no need to turn this into a battle of words, if you prefer I could say Islam states, or recommends, or, etc.
MokhalefeNadani 1 year ago
@MokhalefeNadani
"Depend on what you call "Shahih Hadith""
No, it doesnt depend on what I call Sahih Hadith. It depends on what was historically called (decided to be considered as) Sahih Hadith by renown Muslim scholars.
All four Sunni Madhab (schools of law" agree that so called temporary marriage (e.g. Nikah Mutah) is invalid. (Fiqh Ala al-Madhahib al-Arbaa, v4, pp 90-94.)
Your position was shown to be invalid. Those people who allegedly stand behind you have no say "over here".
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago
@Wrath0fKhan . No, it doesnt depend on what I call Sahih Hadith. It depends on what was historically called (decided to be considered as). No it does matter, because there are different schools of thought in Islam. I said certain sects believe in temporary marriage and IT IS in the Quran. So you are the one who has given a false argument. I am not a Sunni so you quoting the four Sunni Madhhabs makes no difference to me.
MokhalefeNadani 1 year ago
@MokhalefeNadani
If you are not a Sunni, then you are with one leg in (non-existing) Hell already. LOL
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago 3
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago 6
@Fudgenw1
What a load of nonsense! I recommend you to take a 101 reasoning course.
In addition, humans are sexual beings and its the unnatural repression of our sexuality that causes more trouble than good.
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago
muslims women who dress like this are feeble minded..no woman with an education would dress like this..i mean its like running around with a fucking halloween costume on all year round!! "trick or treat"!!..fuck me dead!!!
heston99 1 year ago
@heston99
Thanks, but Im not attracted to corpses. ;-)
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago
thers is NOTHING!! not one word in the koran about women having to dress like this..its says dress moderatley..i dress moderatelty...this is just extremisim
heston99 1 year ago
@heston99
Well, if this is just extremism, then there is no need for the Muslims to complain, right?
However, Quran does not equal Islam. Since the Quran aint really very specific about the female dress code, its wise to "consult" the Salaf. How should we do that? By reading through some Sahih Hadith, for example. Or perhaps by acquainting ourselves with some specific jurisprudence which was provided by the "Big Four". Thats what Islam is about...
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago
@Wrath0fKhan say what??? i havent a clue what a salaf is or a hadith..and i dont care! i have one use for the koran,and that is for arse paper
heston99 1 year ago
@heston99
You said the Quran wouldnt command women to dress like that. I was trying to point out that Quran does not equal Islam. Islam equals Quran, Sunnah, Tafsir and some specific historic jurisprudence and some additional Islamic philosophy. If we take the "whole package", then indeed, the dress code is much more stricter than what one would assume if one took into account a Quran only position.
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago
@Wrath0fKhan no,your saying those words again..hadith tasifir..do you really think i care about islam and its book of fairy tales?..the women who dress like this are poorly educated,anyone with half a brain would not subject themselves to this self containment unit that cuts them off from society
heston99 1 year ago
@heston99
I dont know whether your "really" care or not. You came forward and said this:
"thers is NOTHING!! not one word in the koran about women having to dress like this..its says dress moderatley..i dress moderatelty...this is just extremisim."
Im reminding you that the Quran-only position is not considered an option in Islam. Especially not if one considers the "Prophet" and the Salaf to be the leading examples worthy of imitation. Interestingly, the Quran is quite explicit here.
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago
@Wrath0fKhan aye,erm did you know the prophet was married to a 9 year old child?
and dont tell me he was just "dating her"....he was married to her! FACT!!!
Its a bit off really,going out with a wee lassie? i mean really he should be in the penitentary for statutory rape!!!
heston99 1 year ago
@heston99
How do you know so much about the Islamic prophet? You said you didnt know about "Sahih Hadith".
I dont understand well what you are attempting to say here. Are you saying that we should take this example of his and implement it in our "Wester societies"?
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago
@Wrath0fKhan everybody knows muhammad was married to a 9 year old child....justify that!!!
heston99 1 year ago
@heston99
Listen comrade, its you who should justify your ignorance. Look here for example:
muslim(.)org/islam/aisha-age(.)htm
Next time you will need to construct your arguments more carefully. Yet how can you do that if you know nothing about "Sahih Hadith"?
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago
@Wrath0fKhan comrade? im not your comrade...just cos you live in a former commun ist country thats not my fault..im not a flipping commie......
heston99 1 year ago
@heston99
dictionary.reference(.)com/browse/comrade
What now, comrade? :))
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago
@Wrath0fKhan aye,enough of your boring shite!!!..ive been to russia comrade!! ive seen it!....
heston99 1 year ago
@heston99
Ermmm... Now you are jumping around like a grasshopper, comrade! Btw, what is this supposed to be about? :))
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago
@Wrath0fKhan your from the chechoslavakia (im not sure how you spell it)...a poor eastern european country...like borat!...you have nothing better to do with your time than quote the koran at me...ite boring me ridgid!!
heston99 1 year ago
@heston99
Geez... Can you at least quote me once where I supposedly quoted the Quran in our exchange? Bet you cant... I want your panties. Not the dirty ones. :))
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago
@Wrath0fKhan dont qoute the koran at me..it makes me angry!! and you wouldnt like me when im angry!!!
heston99 1 year ago
@heston99
Panties! Panties! Panties, panties, panties!
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago
@Wrath0fKhan you are a very naughty boy!!..why dont you get yourelf a burka?
heston99 1 year ago
@heston99
Burka =! Panties
Obviously Im into panties. So...
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago
@heston99
"poorly educated"
Maybe they are well educated in Islam... ;-)
"would not subject themselves"
Religion delivers here, right? ;-)
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago
@Wrath0fKhan you know,i can actually sympathise with muslim female suicide bombers...cos if io looked in my wardrobe and all i had to wear was a black burka and sandles.....ID BLOW MYSELF UP!!!...muslim women need to get some style...it is a known fact that no suicide bomber has ever been found in dolce and gabana or prada
heston99 1 year ago
Sarkozy is a hero, thank God he is banning this horrible thing. VIVA LA FRANCE
EvilDeadJoe 1 year ago 2
If Western women go to a Muslim country they're required to dress n behave accordin to what is so socially accepted. The problem with these countries is that they expect us to abide by their laws and social cues in their countries, but then come to ours and refuse to do the same. I dont condone the ban, I would pay every fine I received if it meant being able to wear a cross in public, but I do understand the viewpoint.
1511rachel 1 year ago
what if I decided to wear the Burka, or the Niqab, which my religion does not FORCE me to (I wear a simple hijab) AREN'T YOU OPRESSING ME BY TELLING ME I CAN'T? You cannot tell me in which way it is that I feel liberated ... SCREW FRANCE..
salmaaO1x3 1 year ago
@salmaaO1x3
Of course we are oppressing you. Since we have abandonded these (or similar) traditions some time ago, its however you who should adapt to our customs (especially if you are living here) and stop oppressing us with yours. Thats how the rules are. Even Islamic rules are in its principle very similar. Btw, no one is forcing you to abandon your customs in you privacy... LOL
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago
@Wrath0fKhan you are so fucking stupid. whats the point if I can't cover myself in public? And why the HELL should anybody care about what a person chooses to wear.. If someones allowed to wear close to nothing if they choose, I should, If I wanted too, be able to cover myself head to toe. YOU ARE A FUCKING RACIST BIGOT... educate yourself, bitch! NO ONE IS OPPRESSING ME! I live in fucking CANADA, THANK GOD FOR THAT!
salmaaO1x3 1 year ago
@salmaaO1x3
You cant cover yourself in public because in general its oppressing rights of the majority of the people living "here". I dont care what you are wearing in private. You have still plenty of room to live your fairy tale.
Why racist bigot? Because Im against your racist bigoted religion and tradition? Indeed, we must draw a line somewhere. Thank dog Canada will consider banning that religious, bigoted, racist crap in public soon... :)
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago
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@Wrath0fKhan HOLDDDDDDDDDDDD ONNNNNNNNN when a woman is covering her self she is oppressing the rights of the majority?????? first of all i can care lessssssssss about the majority for they can all go to hell and how about all those woman walking around in bootyshorts and belly shirts? thats not oppressing others? i sure as hell wouldnt want my kids look at that cuz that just trash and who ever wears that is trash just like that sorry truth hurts!
ymniah10 1 year ago
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago 8
@Wrath0fKhan first of all smart one im a lady not a guy second of all my rights will apply here just as they would apply any where else so nor u or ur radical government will remove me its my country as much as its urz maybe more so live with it !
ymniah10 1 year ago
@ymniah10
Why should I believe you anything what you are saying? Until now all you came up was plain demagogy. Maybe you are just a Salafi shill playing her/his games.
As soon as these rules officially in place, you will be removed from public space one way or another. Better ask Allah to give you a winning lottery ticket so you can pay all the fines.
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago
@ymniah10 first of all im not no damn salafi nor am i anywhere near those people dont even practice islam right second of all i wont be removed from public square no way possible i would just love to see that happen cant wait lool u people r hilarious btw lottery is haram ; )
ymniah10 1 year ago
@ymniah10
"im not no damn salafi"
Thats what you claim here and now but you might well be one. Since you cant disprove this, this option stays on the table. Especially if "we" have to consider your suspicious behavior.
"removed"
Well, that obviously depends on some conditions, doesnt it.
"lottery is haram"
That depends on some conditions too. Earthly lottery (cards, roulette, etc. are haram, yet the cosmic one is not (e.g. occurrences not distinguishable from background noise). Right? LOL
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago
@ymniah10 What a dick you are, typical response as well, tell me did you see any of the women being interviewed wearing bootyshorts and belly shirts. Women in the west have respect, they also have the right of the law in if a man made suggestive remarks about thier attire then it would be the man who would serve a penalty not the woman.
stonewall1888 1 year ago
@stonewall1888 oooo im a dick now because i believe in womans rights? i think ur the typical one not me and wat makes u think that if a man makes a remark he wont get punished? to let u no their is a law and it protects woman so get ur head outta ur ass and dont tell me im the typical one
ymniah10 1 year ago
@ymniah10
Dont you understand? Your rights dont apply here (in the West). Rather return home. There you can propagate those superior rights and attempt to build a superior model society.
Womens are mens fields. Rape them as you desire:
watch?v=QwlW9Qq_zEc
watch?v=lG5mI24e3qk
So... Remove yourself from here willingly or you will be removed unwillingly. :))
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago
@ymniah10 You completly missed the point. You assume that all western women wear clothes that you mentioned. What I am saying is that your response is subject to ridicule. Women wear what they want and the majority wear respectful clothes, some wear clothes that are not , there choice. However you as a muslim with a faith will rip holes into anything that is not. Again how many women did you see in the interview wearing bootyshorts and belly shirts? Can you answer that?
stonewall1888 1 year ago
@ymniah10 no no no i didnt miss the point i think u misunderstood me i didnt say they all wear that i said that wearing booty shorts and belly shirts is offensive so basically the second they ban that, they should start talking bout banning the niqab thats wat i meant "Women wear what they want" and those are your words not mine so leave these woman alone and let them be cuz they arent harming you or anyone else!
ymniah10 1 year ago
@ymniah10
Even if we all walked around naked... Its our rules and you are supposed to adapt. Again, ask Allah for a winning lottery ticket. "Your" foolishness is gonna be expensive. LOL
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago
@Wrath0fKhan and i am party of "our" so i have as much say as u do
ymniah10 1 year ago
@ymniah10
Remember... Only a winning lottery ticket... LOL
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago
@Wrath0fKhan ok
ymniah10 1 year ago
@ymniah10
Let me know when it all comes together! Thanks! :))
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago
@ymniah10 part** and i really dont see the funny part
ymniah10 1 year ago
@ymniah10
Pray to Allah to reveal to you the funny part... LOL
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago
but seriously.. why allow the slit for eyes.. might as well go a step further and paste some googally eyes over the cape.. and maybe a mr.potatoe head nose.
::smacks head::
ssips720 1 year ago
OKAY wearing a big black bag over your whole body is like saying..
Heyyyyyy! guys im not really here!
when i see a man in pants walking next to one of those walking sheets..
im like.. damn people are dumb as shit.
ssips720 1 year ago
doesn't matter whether it's 'islamic' or not. either way we should ban it.
cyklonb1989 1 year ago
All we need is a "No Homers Club"...
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago
What is going on.These French peoples are Mad i mean a Naked women is Allowed everywhere even in churches but a women who is wear a religious cloths is ban. what are you peoples doing atleast follow you Scriptures even in Bible it is Mentioned in several places that a women should cover her body.Just because you Europeans and Americans are showing that we are Moderns am sorry to say but your womens are no less then Prostitutes .
dnmod 1 year ago
@dnmod
Naked = Natural
Burka-clad = Unnatural
Churches = Private
Public = Non-Private
"West Realm" = Superior
"Muhammadan Realm" = Inferior
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago
@Wrath0fKhan
We are Muslims not Muhammadans and 2nd thing if you think Burka is Unnatural then throw your Bible out of home because that book talks about unnatural things.
YOU ARE INFERIOR WHO LOVE TO SEE HER SISTER IN BIKINI OR IN "NAKED = NATURAL" LOOK.
I know this comment will burn you so am not gonna mess with you more BYE :)
Enjoy Natural Looks.
West = No Shame
Islam = A Perfect way to live your life .
take care
dnmod 1 year ago
@dnmod
Followers of alleged prophet Muhammads teachings = Muhammadans
Home = Private
Private = I dont care
I R = Atheist
Western Realm Superior, Muhammadan Realm Inferior → See provided "proof"
Ummah = Swamp of social, economic, scientific inferiority
Im willing to give you one more chance to redeem yourself. ;-)
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago
@dnmod
Examples:
consang(.)net/index(.)php/Global_prevalence
hdr(.)undp(.)org/en/statistics
scimagojr(.)com/countrysearch(.)php?w=world
rsf(.)org/en-classement794-2008(.)html
transparency(.)org/policy_research/surveys_indices/cpi/2009/cpi_2009_table
watch?v=3Pk2-vr4sSw
etc...
So whats going on? What are you complaining about?
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago
BurningStar45000 1 year ago
@BurningStar45000
Just keep deluding yourself. LBNL, we know who the fascists are. Its the Muhammadans and their henchmen...
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago
FUCK FRANCE
FUCK THOSE PEOPLE;
No One should have the right to tell another human being what and what not to wear THEN BITCH ABOUT FREEDOM AND HUMAN RIGHTS*
HOW DOES SOMEONE COME OF SAYING: BAN PEOPLE TO DRESS A CERTAIN WAY; BECAUSE ITS AGAINST FORCING PEOPLE TO DRESS A CERTAIN WAY!
THEN THESE COCK SUCKERS WONDER
WHY MUSLIMS DON'T LIKE THEM OR THEIR
"freedom"...
BurningStar45000 1 year ago
@BurningStar450
Why should the Muhammadans like us? Their ways are worthy of despise. Wherever we measure their rise, there we measure the rise of social, economic and scientific inferiority too. The disdain seems to be mutual.
No one is forcing "you" to dress "certain way". On the contrary. They are implementing a law that demands HOW TO NOT DRESS certain way in public space. NO WALKING MAGICAL MYTHICAL MYSTICAL POTATO SACKS!
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago
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@Wrath0fKhan
"No one is forcing "you" to dress "certain way". On the contrary. They are implementing a law that demands HOW TO NOT DRESS certain way" YOUR A DUMB ASS*
+ Am Not,,,
Look to history;
its speaks for it self As to who were
AND STILL ARE FASCISTS*
BurningStar45000 1 year ago
@BurningStar45000
Western Realm = Democracy, Freedom, Social-Economic-Scientific Superiority
The Ummah = Islamofascist Shytehole
There are many lines of evidence. What follows is, its much more likely that you are the "dumb ass", not me...
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago
@Wrath0fKhan
LOL, Well you can probably get All sorts of evidence for anything
if you cant even construct fair and balanced equations...
No matter what you say,,,
YOUR STILL THE DUMB ASS*
+ its spelled SHIT HOLE SHIT FACE;
you'd think you not being the dumb ass you'd pick up
me making fun of that the first time in your previous post...
- were did you go to school? EUROPE?! XD
BurningStar45000 1 year ago
@BurningStar45000
What aint fair? The sources Ive provided are the EPITOME OF FAIR. If I were "unfair" I would have related you to some Jihadi or anti-Jihadi websites.
You ways were exposed. All you can do is equivocate. Run Fay, run!
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago