Once again I agree with you again. People only see one side and not both. Yea by law these girls are "Young" but believe me they know EXACTLY what they're doing. When I was 13-to now which is grown, I knew right from wrong. I knew not to have sex with a grown ass man. I knew not to let a grown man pee on me. So yea some of these girls should be held responsible as well for their actions. As long as they keep getting a free pass they're going to continue to sleep with older men.
Its so funny that you're so ignorant to whats real that you've formed an opinion based on hearsay and rumors. And people say I'M a product of brainwashing?! LMAO! Its people like you that are so glued to the media's dick that your opinion is clouded by crab infested pube's.
Someone with Kelly's status has a responsibility. Having women throw their panties at you comes with the fame and money. Take it or leave it, it is that individual's responsibility to restrain themselves from temptation. You know, maybe get to know a person. Make sure they don't still live with their parents in a Hello Kitty decorated room. Things of that sort.
Furthermore, what disturbs me is that you can acknowledge R Kelly has a problem, but still defend him.
You mention the young girl having a questionable upbringing but never consider that Kelly had one as well. You never consider that this fetish is something he learned from someone he admired and just has never been corrected.
And how long can a child hide under "I don't know any better." That same 13 yr old would have been tried as an adult if she had murdered someone. So why is she old enough to know not to kill but too young to know to keep your legs closed?
Blame is placed squarely on a little girl with questionable upbringing that you claim is "ruining the lives of these adult men." But u fail to realize the operative word there, adult. R Kelly was an adult and she was a child. Children don't know better unless their taught better.
And if you believe that he didn't know she was a child with her "days of the week" panties on, you, my dear, are the slow one.
Blame was not meant to be placed on the girl entirely. I intended to clarify using this video in saying that if you persecute one, you should persecute them both.
I honestly don't like (as stated in this video) the usage of statutory rape, because it does not address the young girl issues.
About the dehumanization of the girl, there are women all over the world constantly degrading themselves for all to see. Have you ever turned BET!? Where do you think the young girl got it from?!
Where were they? ..Obviously they were apathetic. What with, letting their little "ho" roam around with a highly sexed R&B superstar. As you put it, "she knew what she had."
-Or did she really? Did she know that she had more to give than her body in return for attention lacking elsewhere?
Did she know that she'd be dehumanized and peed on like a dog for all to see?
Your theory is that if one is persecuted, so should the other. Yet u make little mention of retribution for Kelly.
I question the role of her parents in her upbringing, not her choices. In other countries 13 year old girls are marrying much older men. In the Jewish community 13 year old boys have a ceremony to welcome them into their manhood. I'm not saying that at 13 a girl knows all she needs to know about life but she is old enough to decide whether she'd like to have sex with anyone, and especially a singer.
I love how u cite Dreamreborn on his lack of vocabulary, but u find no word more fitting for the assumed under age victim than "ho." You use the epithet several times in your original video, but always refer to the defendant by name. And therein lies a bias.
See, your whole stance is that this girl should've known better. That she just should've went home when the street lights came on, or at least, when the pee came out. But funny enough, even you call into question the role of her parents.
I commend you for picking up on the constant "ho" references. I wondered if anyone would recognize the hypocrisy in that...good job. You're pretty thorough and I respect that. You have very valid points. But the thing I love about opinion is that it is private and needs no outside justification. :)
Also, whats with raggin on the Dream Reborn. "Everyone is not racist, but He said both of the people in that ____ case went to jail, maybe you should work on your listening and comprehension?
Well, I figure that since I used "real" words throughout the rest of my video, "slow" would be alright to throw in there. Plus, "retarded" has a definition if you didn't know. Its not just a term of insult. It really does mean what I used it for, "slow in development."
The Judicial system has historically been and currently is racist to a degree. However, not all CITIZENS are racist. That is the distinction.
Jail does not stop Kelly from being a pedophile. Rehab, counseling, psychiatric help, and most importantly JESUS can stop Kelly from being a pedophile. Locking him up is punishment and revenge for the little girl's sake. But if we have to teach him that its wrong, we should teach her that it is too!
Lastly, Dream said the the 1st young man to go to jail went after going to her father, it was in fact the second young man. Also, the 1st young man is not in jail any more he is out on parole. How about you listen before you write these ridiculous and incoherent comments?
Pretend you are in the mindset of the girl. She's [allegedly] 13, likes R.Kelly's music, and R. Kelly [allegedly] asks if they can do the dirty. What the hell do you think she is going to say? No? Sounds like a normal impressionable, young and star-struck 13-year old NOT a ho. You assuming that the girl had to have been a whore either means you love R. Kelly, or your out look on the world and kids are very negative. By elimination and your video, its the latter
At 13, I was a freshman in high school trying my hardest to stay away from boys and old men who kept hitting on me. 3 years later I was finished with high school, preparing for college and working a part time job where I was also hit on by a number of guys. I spent all of my teenage years protecting my virginity why on earth is it impossible to think that these children nowadays are willingly giving up theirs?! Have you read about the 17, 16 yr olds in Boston and their pregnancy pact?!
Ah, I see where you're at now. But still! R Kelly is a nut sack! His "victim" was a jit hoe. But HE did it to himself taping like he was Spielberg. She did nothing but get screwed and pissed on. It was his tape that got him in trouble. R u really not mad at him? The dude is foul. All I can think about is Aliyah. I hope he didn't try that shit with her. He has a reputation, a history. You just say U R not mad to make a point, riiiight? And ahh.... u r cute.
I find him repulsive and perverted because its a consistent fetish with him. If this was a one time thing and there was only one tape, I could easily forgive him. But my point is that it has and will always take 2 to tango. If you persecute one, you persecute them both.
I'm not mad at R. Kelly in this case because the girl wanted to do it and she got off scot-free too. I'm mad at R. Kelly because he continues to do it and he hasn't gotten help.
you made some great points... of course the girl knew what she was doing... but as far as "DREAM REBORN" is concerned, i wouldn't take homie too serious... i find his videos entertaing... he will take the most irrelevant part of a statement and try to make that the overall point... missing the point all together... amatuer logic at it's best...very odd perspective he has... cracks me up!!! ... any who, great vid's... you're very intelligent... have a great day!!
Once again I agree with you again. People only see one side and not both. Yea by law these girls are "Young" but believe me they know EXACTLY what they're doing. When I was 13-to now which is grown, I knew right from wrong. I knew not to have sex with a grown ass man. I knew not to let a grown man pee on me. So yea some of these girls should be held responsible as well for their actions. As long as they keep getting a free pass they're going to continue to sleep with older men.
beyourselfdummy 2 years ago
ur on point sister and perverts come in all classes. and i agree both should dealt with the male and female.
firefox8192 3 years ago
LOl..its so funny that you think the Maury Show represents reality.
Tempest111 3 years ago
Its so funny that you're so ignorant to whats real that you've formed an opinion based on hearsay and rumors. And people say I'M a product of brainwashing?! LMAO! Its people like you that are so glued to the media's dick that your opinion is clouded by crab infested pube's.
carameldelight87 3 years ago
Someone with Kelly's status has a responsibility. Having women throw their panties at you comes with the fame and money. Take it or leave it, it is that individual's responsibility to restrain themselves from temptation. You know, maybe get to know a person. Make sure they don't still live with their parents in a Hello Kitty decorated room. Things of that sort.
Furthermore, what disturbs me is that you can acknowledge R Kelly has a problem, but still defend him.
britums 3 years ago
You mention the young girl having a questionable upbringing but never consider that Kelly had one as well. You never consider that this fetish is something he learned from someone he admired and just has never been corrected.
And how long can a child hide under "I don't know any better." That same 13 yr old would have been tried as an adult if she had murdered someone. So why is she old enough to know not to kill but too young to know to keep your legs closed?
carameldelight87 3 years ago
Blame is placed squarely on a little girl with questionable upbringing that you claim is "ruining the lives of these adult men." But u fail to realize the operative word there, adult. R Kelly was an adult and she was a child. Children don't know better unless their taught better.
And if you believe that he didn't know she was a child with her "days of the week" panties on, you, my dear, are the slow one.
britums 3 years ago
Blame was not meant to be placed on the girl entirely. I intended to clarify using this video in saying that if you persecute one, you should persecute them both.
I honestly don't like (as stated in this video) the usage of statutory rape, because it does not address the young girl issues.
About the dehumanization of the girl, there are women all over the world constantly degrading themselves for all to see. Have you ever turned BET!? Where do you think the young girl got it from?!
carameldelight87 3 years ago
Where were they? ..Obviously they were apathetic. What with, letting their little "ho" roam around with a highly sexed R&B superstar. As you put it, "she knew what she had."
-Or did she really? Did she know that she had more to give than her body in return for attention lacking elsewhere?
Did she know that she'd be dehumanized and peed on like a dog for all to see?
Your theory is that if one is persecuted, so should the other. Yet u make little mention of retribution for Kelly.
britums 3 years ago
I question the role of her parents in her upbringing, not her choices. In other countries 13 year old girls are marrying much older men. In the Jewish community 13 year old boys have a ceremony to welcome them into their manhood. I'm not saying that at 13 a girl knows all she needs to know about life but she is old enough to decide whether she'd like to have sex with anyone, and especially a singer.
carameldelight87 3 years ago
I love how u cite Dreamreborn on his lack of vocabulary, but u find no word more fitting for the assumed under age victim than "ho." You use the epithet several times in your original video, but always refer to the defendant by name. And therein lies a bias.
See, your whole stance is that this girl should've known better. That she just should've went home when the street lights came on, or at least, when the pee came out. But funny enough, even you call into question the role of her parents.
britums 3 years ago
I commend you for picking up on the constant "ho" references. I wondered if anyone would recognize the hypocrisy in that...good job. You're pretty thorough and I respect that. You have very valid points. But the thing I love about opinion is that it is private and needs no outside justification. :)
carameldelight87 3 years ago
Also, whats with raggin on the Dream Reborn. "Everyone is not racist, but He said both of the people in that ____ case went to jail, maybe you should work on your listening and comprehension?
Psizzle25 3 years ago
Sorry, browser problems.
Also, whats with raggin on the Dream Reborn. "Everyone is not racist", but the whole American justice system is?
2) You ask why we charge people without a victim. Its to teach them that its wrong. I.E R Kelly, stop being a pedophile.
3)He said both of the people in that myspace kid case went to jail, maybe you should work on your listening and comprehension?
Psizzle25 3 years ago
4)Calling someone retarded, slow, and all that other bullshit repeatedly is just plain wrong, especially when you criticize dream for profanity
Psizzle25 3 years ago
Well, I figure that since I used "real" words throughout the rest of my video, "slow" would be alright to throw in there. Plus, "retarded" has a definition if you didn't know. Its not just a term of insult. It really does mean what I used it for, "slow in development."
carameldelight87 3 years ago
The Judicial system has historically been and currently is racist to a degree. However, not all CITIZENS are racist. That is the distinction.
Jail does not stop Kelly from being a pedophile. Rehab, counseling, psychiatric help, and most importantly JESUS can stop Kelly from being a pedophile. Locking him up is punishment and revenge for the little girl's sake. But if we have to teach him that its wrong, we should teach her that it is too!
carameldelight87 3 years ago
Lastly, Dream said the the 1st young man to go to jail went after going to her father, it was in fact the second young man. Also, the 1st young man is not in jail any more he is out on parole. How about you listen before you write these ridiculous and incoherent comments?
carameldelight87 3 years ago
Shouldn't the adult know better?
Pretend you are in the mindset of the girl. She's [allegedly] 13, likes R.Kelly's music, and R. Kelly [allegedly] asks if they can do the dirty. What the hell do you think she is going to say? No? Sounds like a normal impressionable, young and star-struck 13-year old NOT a ho. You assuming that the girl had to have been a whore either means you love R. Kelly, or your out look on the world and kids are very negative. By elimination and your video, its the latter
Psizzle25 3 years ago
At 13, I was a freshman in high school trying my hardest to stay away from boys and old men who kept hitting on me. 3 years later I was finished with high school, preparing for college and working a part time job where I was also hit on by a number of guys. I spent all of my teenage years protecting my virginity why on earth is it impossible to think that these children nowadays are willingly giving up theirs?! Have you read about the 17, 16 yr olds in Boston and their pregnancy pact?!
carameldelight87 3 years ago
Ah, I see where you're at now. But still! R Kelly is a nut sack! His "victim" was a jit hoe. But HE did it to himself taping like he was Spielberg. She did nothing but get screwed and pissed on. It was his tape that got him in trouble. R u really not mad at him? The dude is foul. All I can think about is Aliyah. I hope he didn't try that shit with her. He has a reputation, a history. You just say U R not mad to make a point, riiiight? And ahh.... u r cute.
bunnyfuk 3 years ago
I find him repulsive and perverted because its a consistent fetish with him. If this was a one time thing and there was only one tape, I could easily forgive him. But my point is that it has and will always take 2 to tango. If you persecute one, you persecute them both.
I'm not mad at R. Kelly in this case because the girl wanted to do it and she got off scot-free too. I'm mad at R. Kelly because he continues to do it and he hasn't gotten help.
Thanks for the compliment. :)
carameldelight87 3 years ago
gal i like you. you are really good in whatever you are representing. and also you are beautiful
da22ki 3 years ago
Aww, how sweet!? I appreciate the kind words (especially on my most "natural" day. lol!)
carameldelight87 3 years ago
you made some great points... of course the girl knew what she was doing... but as far as "DREAM REBORN" is concerned, i wouldn't take homie too serious... i find his videos entertaing... he will take the most irrelevant part of a statement and try to make that the overall point... missing the point all together... amatuer logic at it's best...very odd perspective he has... cracks me up!!! ... any who, great vid's... you're very intelligent... have a great day!!
shiggadee 3 years ago
oops!! sorry!?! misspelled "ENTERTAINING"!!!!
shiggadee 3 years ago
Yeah, I notice that he seems to miss the point a lot. Anyway, thanks for the compliment and the subscription, sweetie. :)
carameldelight87 3 years ago
lol
THOMASTCT3 3 years ago