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  • The Only difference i can see is more particles on the left side of video.

  • man.. forget about physx.. it's not worth it

    using physx means :

    1. slower fps

    2. pay more for physx gpu

    3. see oooh soo little different in oooh soo little games, maybe some of you cant even see the difference.. so when you try to see the difference .. you die while playing the shooting game.. lol

  • PhysX in this game is almost useless, because it only helps radically when breaking glass.

  • Physx are real time particles that collide and actively respond interference.Physx can't catch the market cos Microsoft announced compute shaders.These are similar to CUDA wich runs Physx and probably Physx will die slowly and be replaced by Microsoft implementation but we know it was the first.Maybe they wouln't even thought of compute shaders if it was not for CUDA

  • 0:10 the license plate says nvdia

  • @SuperRockstar206 And the next one says Physx

  • Well, it's not that big difference - not in view of the fact, that turning PhysX on just KILLS your PC. I play on full detail but PhysX off - many FPS, full fluency. I turn on PhysX - LAGS!

  • @Bojak10 Your PC must be pretty shitty one. I have cheap system - Intel Dual-Core E5700 3ghz, MSI GT240 1gb GDDR5(PhysX capable) and with max settings at 1440x900 with physics on High i can play smoothly at 30fps. So your pc must be even worse.

    Btw you can choose if your CPU of graphic card will have to process physics, so try both of them and compare it to each other, maybe your Cpu will do better than Gpu.

  • Thx mate this helped me see the difference.

  • I Know that the Physx is designed for Nvidia cards, but, can i get the same results (physx on) with an ATI radeon HD 4600? Something i can do to get thos physx Effects? BTW my pc has a Phenom II X4 3.6, 2GB RAM, and the ATI HD4600 card. Thanx!!!!!

  • @shinji097 sorry to dissapoint you, but PhysX are Nvidia´s idea meant to run only with Nvidia graphic cards. There is something like Aegia PhysX, simulating this technology, but it isn´t working in games, i think. ATi cards just aren´t made for something like this.

  • nice comparison...

    just one thing that still bothers me about game graphics is the fire and explosions...still too cartoon-like when comparing to movies...

  • woo!

    50,000th view!

  • Okay, I'm a total noob, but I'm trying to get a crazy powerful PC soon, so will I get those effects with an ATi Radeon HD 5970 CrossfireX Enabled Video card?

  • @TDUShelby Unfortunately not, Physx is locked to Nvidia cards only so you'll need an Nvidia card in your rig at least as a dedicated Physx card even if you use ATI cards for your actual display. I have 2 5870's in my rig in CrossFireX with a GTX 460 for dedicated Physx.

  • @kenpojujitsu3

    Okay, my noob-ness is showing. So, I can get two graphics cards in one computer? One an ATi and the other an Nvidia? Also, is the 460 the best, or is there a better one? I'm going for total overkill when I finally get a gaming PC.

  • @TDUShelby The best Nvidia card is currently the GTX 580. That would definitely be overkill for just Physx and there are issues with using it as a dedicated Physx card with ATi cards. To run ATI and Nvidia at the same time you'll need a patch. check your messages for the link of where to get it and the instructions on how to use it.

  • Sry i meant 70-90 Fps arrrrrrrrgh!

    Wanna get about 100!

  • 460GOESLIKEHELL+i5760 rulez!!!!!

    No overclocking and everything maxed and AA 16x physx maxed

    ~40-60 Fps LOL

  • I ran the in-game benchmark with EVERYTHING of the game on max (including resolution, AA, Geometry, etc.) and with PhysX on High, and I got an average of 9 frames, I ran the EXACT same setting except with no PhysX and got an average of 26 frames. And the funny thing is that there is literally no difference between turning PhysX on or off. Specs: Core2 Duo 2.93 GHz, GTS 250 1 GB, 4GB RAM, 1920x1080 res.

  • @MrGreekdog Yeah! Mafia II's physics are JUST like PhysX. Plus, PhysX lags when it's used a lot of times at the same time (and I have a very powerful PC) :(

  • What the fuck.

    I've got Q9400 / HD4870 (XFX/512MB) / 3GB Ram, and when I pull settings to max without PhysX I get fairly 70FPS~ at 1680 x 1050.. And with PhysX, Around 25-35.. o.O

  • so its either buy a nvidia card!

    or an ati+nvidia combo for the desktop!

    to expierience something which we are all happily capable of expieriencing without physx!?

    a shame for laptop users! like me!!

    guess ill buy a nvidia next year!

    (then ill have to play batman again!)

  • @TheJackRapper2 I have an ATi Radeon HD 5650 and PhysX works for me. I think you can just download PhysX from the nVidia website :P

  • @grineti5 mobility or standard?

    bah, it doesnt matter! TELL ME HOW?

    when i change my settings of batman physx to normal! i get a framerate of about 5 fps, and without physx everything on or v high, i get 60 fps. WHy the hell such a big difference?

  • I run mafia in 1080p that is 10 times better than physx in lower res...

  • Mines off how do i turn it on

  • CUDA C for x86 ;D

  • Do I get cloth effects with physx low/med?

  • @Lawdrun i NEED answer to this question too I loved it in mirrors edge

  • @Lawdrun Yes, Vito's clothing is physically simulated with APEX Off settings, but with APEX Med/High it's more detailed (5-7x times more vertices) plus clothing sim is applied to some NPCs too.

  • @Zogrim Without PhysX, is it just animations?

  • @FlyingLaptop

    physx is actually the name for 2 things:

    1, a physics engine and

    2, a method of putting physics calculations onto the graphics card to make them better.

    turning physx off in mafia 2 makes the clothing still physics based, but less, and many of the things like sparks and rocks are taken out.

  • @Zogrim Just wondering what settings you use. I play Mafia 2 on a Phenom x4 9750 2.4 Ghz and GTX 480 with settings maxed out. 1920 x 1080, I only get avg of 17 FPS. It really lags.

  • @LLOYD19851012 Lol it's your CPU. It's bottlenecking so much! Why would you use a cheap processor on an expensive video card?

  • @mcord21 I built my computer with a GTX 260. I only upgraded my Graphic card 2 months ago. Going to get a Phenom II x6 T1100 for £150.

  • nvidia suck retards

  • hi i have problem im running nvidia gt 210 1gb directx 10

    os windows 7 64 bit when i install mafia 2 it says xuid_.3 dll is missing even just cause 2 any ideas!!! plzz replz

  • i can max it out with phenom x810 overcloked to 3.1ghz, his 5850, 4gb ram.. i just got my His 5850 and so far it can run every game on very high my res is just 1400x900

  • I dont see much difference , nearly nothin tbh

  • best post yet ~ thnxs franky ~

  • can phsyix be turned on with my radeon 4850?

  • I dont really need PhysX, its eating up my framerate for an effect which is barely visible when playing most of the missions. Also, having this only available for specific graphic cards its a shame some people cant try this out. (They could like it!)

  • @TheCederus download physx drivers of of nvidias website. and remember physx improves performence if you have a physx enabled card.

  • now if they did that with physics and stuff, it could probably turn out with some cool effects. Killzone 2 on PS3 renders 720p, however alot of the particle effects and physics are rendered in a slightly lower resolution but it doesn't matter because visually it looks amazing, without even a loss of frame rate, very clever tenchniques.

  • Wanna know what's retarded? Tiny little graphical things like falling pebbles and added debree to destruction seems to take alot more power to run. What people should do is make these little effects in low rez and stream a bunch of low rez shit together so they can fit more destruction. If you look at the halo series, the textures were really detailed on everything but it seemed they were a bazillion low rez textures streaming away to make seeminfly gorgeous close up visuals

  • Wow I am definitely playing this game now. I was pissed because I don't have an Nvidia Card but now lookin at it there really isn't much there sweet.

  • i see only more shit on the ground and falling more shit... thats all..

  • @xYukicore777 right. I think doesn't worth to buy a gtx470 just for this

  • BS. Apart from some neat particle effects - i don't realy see any changes-no special destruction no nothing....

  • @esnaw007

    Thats what PhysX mostly is about - DEBRIS.

  • and a phenom 965 has 3,4 ghz

  • a phenom cpu is better with gaming but less powerful with downloading etc.

  • all i can see is green and red colour..

  • @rocketman5011 Yeah, true. nothing serious through gameplay.

  • just 30 frames avg with apex OFF?

    just wonder how much with apex on.

  • @hurensohn123 it's fraps in "video recording" set to 30 fps max. Sorry for my bad english

  • Aha you're processor is baby crap i laugh you out XD get a amd phenom 2 sx 965 and you're fps will be 20 higher or maybe more

  • @juultje2000 i have an Phenom II 955 whats the difference between that and the core 2 quad (except for extra clock speed)

  • @JoJoRockets52 Dude! I LOVE the 955. I have it as well and overclocked it on stock cooler to 3.6 ghz and it still keeps at low temps. I've never loved a processor as much as the phenom 955.

    :D

  • @juultje2000

    BS!

  • so is there going to be phyx (not by Nvidia) for xbox 360 and Ps3 too> cause that would be lame if phsx was only for pc

  • @xXbutters1234 I doubt the boxes have the hardware to run physx.

  • @SuperNixen no its ok i played the demo it sayed phsx powerd by nvidia and that would be only on pc if it was exlusive right? ok

  • @xXbutters1234

    Only for PC. Yehaaa!

  • Waste of FPS.

  • @Kimer28 Indeed... a little rubble here and there isn't worth it.

  • @KriegenSchlagen Well i am glad my nvidia geforce died my ati card i have now is much better and i can run the nvidia physx fine on a radeon 5870.

  • @paulb4uk how can u run physx on a radeon hd?

  • @zeromant80 I do this too bau i hae a 9500 gt for Physx in my PC too ;)

  • @paulb4uk nope , the 5870 is a great card but if you run with physics on high itll offload to the cpu and to my knowledge there aint really any processors that can handle the physx on high very well. Even my i7 2600k Clocked at 4.8Ghz cant pull phyx at good fps.

  • @paulb4uk how can you run physx on a Radeon? I thought it was nvidia only.

  • So you don't have to have a dedicated physx/nvidia card to get the full effects? you just need a nvidia card?

  • @randysailer You can enable the effects in Mafia 2 even if you have an AMD card, but fps drops dramatically causing the game to be almost unplayable, or enjoyable. It is best(performance wise) to have a dedicated nvidia gpu for PhysX in addition to another main card.

  • is the physx only for pc cus if it is then that is just bullshit!!

  • @FALLENFORFISH its not bullshit its just that consoles at the moment dont have this technology builty into it so when you get pc ports of console games like this one they always have the switch to turn on physx on or not batman and mirrors edge did it as well

    im assuming when consoles catch up then it will be different

  • @hostelowner

    consoles will never really catch up, though. the pc will always have an edge on shit like this because you can keep upgrading it.

  • @Flaringo of course consoles will never catch up

  • @Flaringo The only shame about PC, is not enough PC ONLY games out there, so we hardly ever get to see what a "enthusiast" PC can do. Metro and Crysis look amazing on maximum, but there are fewer games like those these days. Starcraft II is pretty impressive as well. I just wish their were more Strictly PC games out there to play. My GTX 460 would appreciate it.

  • @FALLENFORFISH No it's not bullshit. The consoles, which have been outdated for years does not have the computational ability for things like this unlike a modern PC. Plus consoles are fixed. PCs can be upgraded when ever you want so they stay ahead.

  • not worth paying big $ for nvidia cards that are slower for a few extra dints in cars and rubble. ATI FTW

  • @walker2006au Slower? Are you stupid. The reviews say YES YOU ARE!

  • @TroutButter AMD 5970 IS faster than all nvidia has to offer in a single card. The GTX 480 beats the AMD 5870 in most cases, but costs more and runs hotter. You are both Fan Boys looking ignorant.

  • @TroutButter well considering its a 'made for nvidia' game you would hope so.. But the demo has been suffering major FPS drops in the game with phys-x enabled (tho there has been a fix) although the nvidia reports higher frames on average, observations have been made where the nvidia looks jerkier but still gives off higher FPS overall, wouldnt surprise me if the game is coded to give nvidia higher scores. Nvidia suck, compare overall a 5870 vs GTX480 price for performance.. 5870 wins by far :)

  • @walker2006au

    I used to use nvidia geforce card,s but my last one only lasted 2 years and seven months so i made the switch to an ati 5870 so glad i did its a much better card .

  • SHIT!!!! the phisix only works on the pc version...not on the playstation or xbox

  • @HartRockProductions no shit sherlock, lol consoles and their outdated harware....

  • very nice! do you know anything about particle stay? the time,the distance?

  • Call me back, when anything has an effect in gameplay.

  • Nice vid. I'd like to see one comparing Med to High since many ATI people can suffer though Med but not High.

  • only pieces of stones on the ground.

    I did not see any difference.

  • Man dont join the two scene. That makes it harder to compare since those are different objects.

  • my set up ... Alienware aurora Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU 960 @ 3.20GB ATI Radeon HD 5870 Crossfire Enabled = 2GB

    Installed Memory 12.0Gb

    Win7 64 Bit .

    Game runs flawlessly everything on high 1920x1080 i get over 100 Fps but With apex PhysX on high/medium Fps drop To like 30-25 Sucks.

  • @uzi500 That is because Nvidia locked PhysX so it wont run or run really bad when run on Ati. You cant even use an Ati card for graphics and a Gforce for PhysX, becasue the drivers won't let you. But someone already unlocked it, and there are modifications for the drivers so you can use a Gforce as a secondary / PhysX card.

    And it kinda proves that performance is locked too, because i get those 30-25 fps with PhysX enabled too, with only one 5870.

  • Impressive. When the screen is just 1 scene divided to 2 pieces, I suppose that both APEX and NO APEX show the same things, right? Otherwise, APEX shows a lot more small stones. On the other hand, they're mostly stones at useless places, so one must also praise the NO APEX algorithms that they know where to focus - there are still small pieces of debris in NO APEX wherever it matters. ;-)

  • wait u cant have these physx on ATI card?

  • @Harelgur PhysX is proprietary to nvidia only.

  • whats up with the low resolution?

  • From 0:18 to 0:22 look in the PhysX part, some crystal pieces spawn in mid-air in front of the window O_O

  • @Longgshot  i think thats part of the window :D

  • Dude get a new processor, with a card like that, your processor is seriously bottlenecking your pc

  • @MajinMinh Yep, I was planning this

  • @Zogrim u dont need a new processor just a good overclocker board. for quadcore cpu... liku Gigabyte EP45 UD3R or P boards... U can OC, your cpu to 4-4.5GHZ:)

  • @Zogrim - Overclock it. Save your money.

  • @domSUFC gt a deticated physx card

    GTX 460 any one??

  • @dude4Glitches 9800GT higher will do. GTX 460 is an overkill.

  • @MajinMinh

    Yawn, bottleneck my ass, all he needs to do is overclock that proc a little!

  • @MajinMinh

    wtf i have a q6600 and am also planning to get a gtx 470

    and you are saying that q9400 is a bottleneck ?

  • @MajinMinh Actually, the high-end processors are not that much faster than this processor. Yes, they are somewhat faster, but if you crank up the graphics the GPU is going to be the problem, not the CPU. This processor is fine for pretty much every games. There are a few exceptions, but those games are written/ported so badly that even new processors can only do so much.

  • The first mafia game was great, I've got a feeling that this one's gonna be a blast... (I think I made a PhysX pun)!

  • loving these comparisons

  • i'm not impress by that thing,it's just a pain in the ass. If u don't have a rocket computer.

  • @wildwolves8

    or... you just need a dedicated card for physx. you can get any cheap geforce 8xxx card to do the job and just overclock it. i've even accomplished a physx setup while i had an ati card as my primary. i agree, the effects aren't that impressive but my point is you don't need anything that expensive

  • @wildwolves8 Physx went down hill since nvidia bought it. They aren't a good enough company to take it somewhere, it should have been big by now. Sticking on on their bulky slow gpus made it inefficient so its now just a fraction faster than it was in the old PPU days.

  • Wow

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