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  • Excellent video, with some quotes I hadn't heard before.

    Thank you for posting this!

  • You said to never stop asking questions. Here is one. I am sure that wethinkatheist have said that atheism is defined as simply a lack of belief in a God. That it isn't an affirmitive belief in anything, thus has no burden of proof since nothing is asserted. How does that definition fit with Monicks statement that atheism is a very positive affirmation. How can a simple lack of something be a positive affirmation? You said you love this quote, doesn't it fly in the face of your definition?

  • @sarabellumm what that we cannot know all of the answers? my perspective is that you cannot deny god, but you can't deny anything that is made up for example a hovering dog next to me, you have no evidence against the dog, it is affirmative as much as is my disbelieve in the flying dog, hence it is positive because we know anything can be made up which has no evidence for it but no against it, so reasonably we can deny it as we deny the dog

  • @scienceevolution94 "ecause we know anything can be made up"

    That is a different thing than atheism. Atheism is just a lack of belief. The atheist may not know anything about what you just said. They may be too busy, too stupid, too focused on other issues or whatever. Atheism doesn't require working out a logical rationale for why you believe what you do. It could be for a stupid reason or for no reason at all, as it is just a lack of belief. There is no requirement of a particular why.

  • @sarabellumm yes, I don't think anyone can say they're truly atheist, that would be arrogant, but anything that is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence, but it is still a lack of belief, its as much a belief as is me replying to you, hence me writing this comment must be a belief that iam

    what do you mean by "Atheism doesn't require working out a logical rationale for why you believe what you do" ? makes no sense at all, also I don't truly understand any of ur statements

  • "makes no sense at all"

    Say you have some 17yr old raised in a remote area. Life is hard they spend every moment just surviving. Met very few people. Has had no time to even think about higher issues, about life, about its meaning. They work from the moment they get up until falling asleep exhausted. So they have never thought one way or the other about God. They therefore lack a belief in God and are atheist, right? Nothing requires them to have a complicated reason or logic for being atheist.

  • @sarabellumm also what do you mean there is no reason for a particular why? if you mean why we're alive then you seek purpose and you have to believe in a purpose for there to be a purpose, tell me why should there be a purpose behind the universe?

    we're the purpose, our brains allowed us to create a purpose, there is no evidence for a purpose its a belief of a purpose,

  • @scienceevolution94 "also what do you mean there is no reason for a particular why?"

    I mean that you don't have to have a reason to be atheist. Some atheists have reasons. Others don't. They are just busy with other things and never really thought much about it. They don't have to be able to tell you why they are atheists or even know themselves, they just are.

  • @sarabellumm from most of the people I met, I think the majority of them are blindly following their religion, the only reason why they follow their religion is because they've been told you by their parents, a lot of christians don't know anything about the bible, from the ones I know nearly all of them don't know much, except the most obvious ones e.g. the 10 commandments, there will never be all atheist that have a reason for disbelief but most have been religious hence they do

  • @scienceevolution94-- In Catholicism, they are taught that there is an "oral tradition" that supplements the New Testament that helps the priests to interpret the Bible for the parishioners. So a lot of Catholics don't value Bible study on their own. Other groups, primarily certain Protestants, highly value Bible study. At my church nearly everyone studies the Bible every week. Most have additional Bible studies outside of church. Many can quote a huge portion of the New Testament from memory.

  • evidence? I say that a cat walking across the road is evidence for zeus, but you have to believe in zeus to believe that the cat walking across the road is evidence- hence anything could be evidence, so there is as much evidence for your god as there is for mine, and please give me evidence? any evidence at all to help me believe in your god and not zeus or thor, the whole point of science is belief in evidence, please provide me with some and I shall believe, some hard factual evidence...

  • If the nuclear weak force were even a little bit weaker, in the early universe all of the hydrogen would have turned to helium, hence there would be no normal stars. If the nuclear weak force were even a tiny bit stronger, exploding supernovas would not eject their outer envelopes, hence failing to seed the universe with the heavy elements planets require to foster life. There are dozens of examples like this that make our universe look suspiciously tailored for life. I believe it was.

  • If the sum of the masses of the types of quark that make up a proton were changed by as little as ten percent, there would be far fewer of the stable atomic nuclei of which we are made. The sum quark masses seem roughly optimized for the existence for the largest number of the stable atomic nuclei. This is another example of how our universe is suspiciously tailored for life. At some point it is simply too coincidental. All of this is evidence for some type of intelligent designer.

  • @sarabellumm in what way is that evidence? and what do you mean suspiciously, in what way it is suspicious? if the universe wasn't like this life wouldn't have existed, why do you think life only exist on earth and not on other planets (as far as we know), the conditions have to be perfect for life to exist, if the earth was further away from the sun life wouldn't exist, just as if it was closer, no need for clever science,

    I have no idea what you mean by your Moses argument?

  • @scienceevolution94 There are just too many things like those I listed that have to be very close to the way they are, otherwise life couldn't happen. That is evidence of intentional interference. It looks like a planned event.

  • @sarabellumm no, it is not evidence of intentional interference, you believe it is... your belief, no evidence, you could have listed thousands of cases I know, yet you still provide no evidence towards a designer, you believe it is planned, I don't, I don't say it wasn't but I say no evidence, or if I count what you said as evidence I still find it insufficient as it really tells me nothing

  • @scienceevolution94 "I have no idea what you mean by your Moses argument?"

    That was just in response to your question about Deut 24 and Isaiah 14. One was a law being given to the Israelites, the other was a prophecy about Babylon.

  • @sarabellumm also you say "evidence I gave you could support an intelligent designer or designers" but your evidence is indirect than in what way possible can you count it as evidence? like I said it could well say there is an intelligent designer, an intelligent unicorn or millions of intelligent designers,

    it must have been how it is for us to live, otherwise there wouldn't be any life if conditions were different, based on evidence without gravity there would be no planets and stars

  • By happy coincidences I mean:Say you leave your dorm room & your playing cards are neatly shuffled & stacked on a desk. When you return, they are now on the floor in 4 piles. If the piles are random, maybe the wind blew them off, a sudden gust from the A/C or a mouse ran by. But if the 4 piles are in exactly the hands that you won the college bridge tournament last month, you know intelligence did this.You don't know who, maybe a roommate, your bridge partner or someone else, but someone did it.

  • @sarabellumm "on the sudden appearance of life", don't really understand this comment as well but let me argue what I think you mean

    do you mean how life came up just suddenly 4 billion years ago? a designer must have started the process or something, not sure what you mean, but if you're asking how life just suddenly came up, we don't know, but if you say designer you're using GOD to fill the gaps of scientific knowledge...

  • Even the simplest life form is quite complex. We know how life changes over time through natural selection. But look at the first life form, the very first one, at least billions of years ago. The name for this happening is abiogenesis, but we really don't have a good idea how it could have happened on earth. There are so many obstacles that some are now proposing it may have come here as seeds or spores from somewhere more hospitable. We just don't know how that first life came to be.

  • @sarabellumm yes but why fill these scientific gaps with god? again who created god? god must be even more complex...

  • @sarabellumm I was wrong about evidence and proof it seems, surprisingly I learned something new,

    but in what way does that count as evidence for GOD that the universe has such laws? in what way? evidence? also who created GOD?, god must be much more complex, like an ultimate biological cell that is always there, you're basically telling me that because there is gravity there must be GOD, mainly because without gravity there would be no planets no stars etc.

  • @sarabellumm also according to your hypothesis with dreamed up evidence of an intelligent designer, like I said before why not intelligent designers, evil intelligent designers who create an evil world where they create an octopus which first paralyses its prey then its eat alive, your 'Evidence' can work as well towards my hypothesis as much as it can for yours, I say your evidence shows that there must be an intelligent unicorn which made up these laws

  • @scienceevolution94 The evidence I gave you could support an intelligent designer or designers. Add on the sudden appearance of life on earth and we have an intelligent designer or designers showing an interest in earth and the life here. One you admit that, you have to think a bit more to decide what you think that designer or designers are up to here.

  • @sarabellumm also answer this question for me, if an intelligent designer exists it must be the most complex and unimaginable machinery, machinery in a metaphorical sense, to have existed

    how did something so complex has been present for all time, or how did something so complex just arise?

    from previous argument, if the laws of physics were how they were life could have arisen no need for intelligent design, an intelligent designer is a much more complex idea

  • @sarabellumm also like I said before, disprove my idea of the unicorn? or intelligent designers and tell me please who created the intelligent designers? designers because I believe in designers not a designer?

  • @sarabellumm you know the bible hence explain this contradiction:

    ISA 14 21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities.

    DEU 2416The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.

    surely an intelligent person must see this?

  • Moses (or his scribe or Joshua) wrote Deuteronomy. Isaiah wrote the Book of Isaiah. Isaiah lived 700 yrs after Moses/Joshua. Moses was giving laws to Israel about how they should live. Right before your verse, Moses says: "Out of all the peoples on the face of the earth, the LORD has chosen you to be his treasured possession." That's Israel. Isaiah in chapter 14 is prophesying about Babylon, what will happen to it. Not giving laws to Israel. The next sentence is "I will wipe out Babylon's ...".

  • @sarabellumm also proof is the exact same thing as evidence in case you didn't know

  • @scienceevolution94 Proof is when the amount of evidence for a proposition or premise reaches a particular standard of proof. Usually, for any interesting question, there is evidence on both sides, or both for and against. Often we have some evidence, but just not enough to convict (if a criminal trial) or to assert a premise is proven in other cases. We may have a substantial amount of evidence, but just not enough to meet a burden of proof.

  • @sarabellumm but just as much that religious people have no reason to believe except they've been told to there will also be atheists but also have no reason, but at least they're not blindly following their religion like religious people do, they don't waste time on going to church for example, they waste no time on worshiping a supernatural force, hence it is worse blindly following your religion because you do activities related to it without much knowledge about your beliefs...

  • "at least they're not blindly following their religion like religious people do"

    I would agree with you that anyone who blindly follows Christianity might as well sleep in. It won't do them any good. There are Christians like that. In particular many of the old established religious institutions like Catholicism have many members I would call "cultural" Christians who are not true believers. If you came to my church you wouldn't see any cultural Christians or anyone blindly following anything.

  • @sarabellumm also you include the idea of GOD, singular being I suppose, also why do you believe in one GOD or whatever, whats your complicated reason to not believe in GODs? because truly there is no more evidence for your GOD then there is for GODs, except that if you're christian, muslim or sikh you have a much more complicated book compared to some other ones, but none truly gives evidence for GOD, the reason its called 'Faith' a belief in something with no evidence?

  • @scienceevolution94  Faith is belief without proof, not belief without evidence. Christians see many things in the universe and world around us that we consider evidence for God. We can't say we can prove he exists, but we can say the evidence supports our belief that he does.

  • What font did you use? It's awesome!

  • What font did you use? It's awsome!

  • Perhaps you have never seen the light of God in someone's eyes. You might enjoy the words of Rich Mullins who authored many great Christian songs (see "Rich Mullins Sharing" on youtube). This man gave all to God. He could have been wealthy but chose to live on a Navajo reservation and teach music to the children. He died, tragically, in 1997, but I had the honor of meeting him.

  • Pretty awesome quotes there.

    Where can I get all these great quotes in plain text?

  • As usual, Edward Abbey's is the best

  • Great job.

  • OMFG WTF IS THIS MUSIC IT"S AWESOME MUST HAVE!!

    Great video.

  • That last quote is just delightful

  • Uh.. tldr. =)

  • nice one!!!!

  • Love them... are they posted somewhere together?

  • Some excellent quotes there! Like and favorite!

  • Beautiful.

    Thank god for atheism eh? LOL

    I particularly liked the prattchet quote.

  • cool, thanks for posting and great background pic for these quotes :)

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