first of all its asante n not ashante its not because tht white man made it ashante tht errbody hs 2 say it like damn its asante ... second twi is a language n not a tribe
So, this is about bringing the other part of me to the forefront one that I can assimilate to.. not to get stuck in or to build a false idea of (although most of the euro history taught does just that) this is all fact. I used this to build a human internal pride as most people use their history..to build them up and push them forward..no one should be wronged for looking for their place and their history
@arab what I find interesting about your comment is the idea that the bloodline matters when it comes to this issue. If we were talking inheritance, maybe,but this is talking about an over all heritage and ancient history.. I must identify with what my skin tells me because there is no other reference.. I know irish and native american, but can I claim them as an identity? Not really because I don't look like them.. although I carry the blood. My skin says african, my hair and other attributes.
"olori oko" is the "farmer" the proverb is that the "farmer is coming to tend his folk" as in "jesus christ is coming back " .... its nothing to do with slavery.. period.
this is a yoruba proverb set to music, why is it being used here? as it has nothing to do with slavery in america.. ??????? fyi it is a christain song to boot..
It's funny how, whites want to criticize blacks for trying to connect with their past. And I applaud all black people for this. This is therapy for all blacks living in a white mans world. I don't see this trend among whites though. Is it because the white history is filled with homosexuality, bestiality, barbarianism, child molestation, murder and oppression? That's why it's for w easier for whites to go around and bash black videos. They see themselves as perfect and don't want therapy.
@bonnieG69 : Easy to say "GET OVER IT " Afterall it wasn't your forefathers that were enslaved. The problem is not the trade but the actions and behaviours of white slaves owners. The reaction to those actions are what we are seeing today, the outcome of your forefathers idiocy is affecting your kinds and it had made you to be an unfeeling evil moron.
man dont let this cracker deceive you. i dont beleive nothing the white man has to tell me.he is closely related to the devil.lies lies lies lies.white folks been changing history for years. yall still owe blacks for 400 years and refuse to pay. judgement is comming for yall. he is the best liar on earth. This is how they continue to fuck us up( i hate to curse but). dont beleive this.liar liar liar liar liar liar liar liar liar
People blow my mind with collective thinking. No whites actually inslaved Free African Men and Women. To think in this day and age that now the lingo is "Whites Bought Slaves" as to say they didn't plot and plan, is crazy. This is your view not mine, see your history and real history don't match all the way. Whites helped big time in the tricky of many tribes and also took well known waring tribes and place them with one another during slave raids. Why did you leave that out.
beleive it or not, theres a world-wide secret that has been kept for years, negros in west africa that were sold into slavery all over the world ARENT EVEN AFRICAN....although we have african influence in ancestry, ancient writtings as well as a few more recent writtings, and EVEN A FEW AFRICANS will tell you that NEGROS are not hammite africans by blood and identity,
FACT: JUST BECAUSE YOU LOOK LIKE YOU ARE AFRICAN DOESNT MEAN YOU ARE, PPL OF COLOR WERE ALWAYS WORLD WIDE BEINGS
OMG this hurts my heart.They are people they are not possions.They want to know the truth and they deserver the thuth what ever it may be.All colors have been slaves by the powerfull it must stop we are all people with feelings and a heart .I want to know where the heart is in these buyers of people?I am so sorry for slaves of all colors.we must all stand and say no more slaves of any color.May life treat you right.
This video is a eye opener, But the slave trade has to be debunked, NOT ALL BLACKS CAME FROM AFRICA, When Christopher Columbus landed on my land he was surprised to see Blacks already here! Indigenous Americans like our Great Ancestors THE OLMECS and many Indigenous of Tribes North and South America. You see North America is Ancient West Africa due to Continental Drift!
Cont. We tend to do alot of finger pointing without taking to search the internet for answers and the oldest accounts. Besides, the information you find is another person's account so how do you know the truth. When it is time for people to know the full account of slavery and be able to handle the full written book we all may be died by that time. Life is too short not to learn now about the African culture the truth will come in the wash.
Which story is correct? I don't think anyone really know since they didn't live at the time. It would be nice to except the full story with supporting evidence starting from Europe. Europe was involved in creating a new world agenda so it would make since for people to start research there for laws and doctrine of Columbus. If you want to know the truth start at the beginning. My objection with this video is with the attack on Islamic blacks as captures under the direction of whom?
@jackfire55 Actually its because the whites and arabs was weaker and died easily they even began trading 4 white slaves for 1 african! For the first 200 yrs of the slave trade africans were not enslaved eastern europeans made up the majority of the slaves thus the term slav = slave!
@yahshuah29 LOL O I get a kick out of that. That was some funny shit. U should really read up on the matter. Blacks enslaved other blacks and than sold them cheap to who ever would buy them.
@jackfire55 Ok? Did I make any reference to that tiny? Whites blacks and arabs sold whites for thousands of years also sooo you mean you did not know that? I should warn you that if you have not studied slavery thoroughly I am not the person you want to debate on the issue being I have studied the slave trade for 2 decades now. Slavery in the west began in 1492 & did not include africans in any significant amount until the late 1600s the term slave was coined from the term slav these are facts!
@yahshuah29 My good man I was pointing out how your statement was bull shit. The Actually its because the whites and arabs was weaker and died easily they even began trading 4 white slaves for 1 African! O but I love it. That was some funny shit. And yes i know all races where slaves at one point in time. Yes even whites as well. Hell we have made movies about white slaves. Look up the Gladiator.
@jackfire55 My dear brother after rereading my statement I see where I could have stated it in a less bigoted manner! I do not mean that whites or arabs are inferior I am actually giving a direct quote from a book on the subject they are not my words. Whites and other groups made up the majority of slaves in America for hundreds of years however the general public is unaware of this fact something I think that needs to change to free whites from their guilt & blacks from being victims!
@yahshuah29 O yes! The cult of white guilt and cult of black victimization. Nothing has keep black people down as much as them 2 groups. Man do not get me started on that. And even if the general public was aware of the fact. It would not really change anything. Some people have made a living out of thes cults. Take the NAACP. They need blacks to be the victims to stay up and running. If the cult of white guilt and cult of black victimization end. So does the NAACP.
Thanks for your research and posting the video, however with 80 million+ Africans and Isrealites stolen and the trauma and destruction of an entire continent, not to mention the horrors and suffering our ancestors endured, the most response from the video is an argument among people upholding the Quran. Well Who Gives a Damn to those of us who have been kidnapped, where is the sympathy. The focus should not be which book(s) was involved, but who, who were(are) the people who did this.
Yeah unfortunately our ancestors were taken from all over Africa. They like to limit it to just West Africa but they took us from north and East-South and West. They like to hide the fact that because they don't want it to come out how they stole those 22 tablets out of Egypt and used them to create America along with slave labor.
@chukwuemeka23456 Yes...they stole the knowledge left behind by our ancient ancestors....the symbolism is everywhere. The scale symbol for the courts is one (which is Maat scale of truth and justice) the back of the dollar bill just to name a few....and I was referring to the Emerald tablets of Thoth...I can provide more info if you like but I will need to send you a private message on here.
Africans were enslaving each other long before the advent of Islam, kind of like clientage but did the know what waited in store when they handed these captured people over. I think they didnt ...but I could be wrong
I like how at the end, he he says we are his brothers and sisters with that stupid smiley face. Nah whoever made this vid, is telling a big lie. 1) Slaves were not sold by Africans in the start of all this, they were captured...by Europeans who turn other Africans tribes against each other. 2) He failed to mention that Africans fought the Europeans. 3) There was Zero mention of how the W.Africans wanted to trade(Gold, materials, etc NOT HUMANS).
WHAT!...Africans was sold by their AFRICAN KING 6:25, I notice YAH only spoken of the slavery in Israel that were doing to the Hebrews, I will research my Holy Book again because I have to know the truth and YAH word do not lie. Notice they didnt say anything about these SLAVES was not in EGYPT because only the Hebrews were in salves in Egypt at that time. On 7:44 the Obamas went there because Michelle people were slaves sold from there.
On 2:42 was the real JEW, notice the part of Africa they fled to where med to dark people lived not people that looked like the GENTILES. WOW!...Horses came from the Arabs from Arabia ...cool. WOW look how BLACK those guys were, now that's black. Maybe they need to change the name calling of the Black man here in the US and make it the "all shades of BROWN man" because I see BLACK and that's not here in the US. .
Brother, know that I dispute with you not as mere apologetics but out of intellectual honesty. There are some strong flaws in your thesis and your assertions just don't hold water. But most dangerous in what you are doing is the externalization of evil. This is the very core human failing whence racism derives.
You can not speak of Arab/Euro injustices against Africans without addressing the accounts African enslavement of Europeans and other Africans.
First of all it is NOT MY video. Secondly the video adequately "addresses the accounts African enslavement of Europeans and other Africans".
What exactly am I doing with the externalisation of evil? You've just summarised my argument for me, precisely because religion did and still does externalise its perception of evil is why we have racism that is my thesis! Please READ before you COMMENT!
To say Islam externalizes evil is to speak from a point of absolute ignorance about the doctrine of the Quran. The first and highest jihad (struggle) is with the nafs(self). Quran goes on the outline various nafs equivalent to the ego, eid, and super eid, as well as others. There is no topic more thorough discussed in the Quran than the "self" and the struggle to know and control the self.
Well Islam is simply not just limited to the Quran, now is it! You think it is, yet intolerant fatawa's are passed all the time? Besides the fact I critize all three Abrahamic religions yet you choose to defend Islam is rather interesting. Whether adherents to islam are practicing it correctly is also mute, as it is the interpretation and subsequent action based and empowered by that, that is important! I'd say you speak from an absolute point of ignorance regarding reality!
@chukwuemeka23456 Two of the largest slave markets in the medieval world existed in Egypt and Marakesh, both run and operated by Arab, Berber, and African Emirs. The primary routes of importation were from North to South. Iberians from Spain and Slavs from Eastern Europe were the majority of slaves being sold in Muslim lands. Indeed, blonde slave women were considered exotic treasures.
Ibn Batuta mentioned European, Arab, and Ethiopian slave girls amongst the concubines of the Mansa of Mali.
@chukwuemeka23456 Furthermore, Cheik Ante Diop, himself a critic of Islam, cites this massive importation of European slaves and captives of war as the reason for the "lightening" of many North and West African populations; read "Pre-Colonial Black Africa".
Regardless of your religious beliefs, if we persist in externalizing evil and painting this idealistic picture of Africa we will never rise from our current state.
So go and watch this video is your evidence? Just make sure you don't ever become a defence lawyer, because cherry picked quotes from obscure books to further your own agenda. For all I know the author has presented two viewpoints to the historical context and you've just written down the side which suits your own views.
I have the descriptions parallell what is in the video. It mentions NOTHING on why the arabs could not sell slaves. In fact all it mentions is wealth generated by slavery for the British empire. My point still remains the British merely exploited the existing infrastructure which the arabs and other muslims through the various islamic caliphates had created. The British were not rich or powerful prior to the slave trade.
And my video response "Reminder of the epicenes of the African slave trade" showed that it continued even when the "Sultan" was cooperating with the English
Your video takes quotes from 1795 such as William Pitt commenting on the slave trade and then you claim this applies to 1875, 80 years later. Simply taking quotes out of context from your google book search is laughable at best. How ironic though the quotes you use all come from "europeans" lamenting at the immorality of slavery and their own countries. Also you don't mention Sultan Said at all; it doesn't show anything at relavant or any proof other than you saying it did.
@robhiengler You are looking at the wrong video. The video I'm talking about quotes Robert Norris (1791) and shows no other nation could carry on the slave trade except Brittan
You don't even know your own videos! That one is titled "Forces more powerful than religion - The African slave trade" and that still doesn't refer to Sultan Said. Also it is absolutely pathetic you have to quote me out of context to further your own agenda. I guess lying is natural to you, my god sir I do believe you owe me an apology.
"Arabization of Swahili,slave trade and the British"
This quote is from Livingston and confirms what John Newton said
"It is well known that the slave trade in this country is carried on almost entirely with his money and that of other Banian British subjects. The Banians advance the goods required, and the Arabs proceed inland as their agents, perform the trading, or rather murdering...The Banians pocket the price, and adroitly let the odium rest on their agents
Yet Livingston also wrote of the Pacific slave trade which was already existed mainly due to the Arabs from the 9th Century
"To overdraw its evils is a simple impossibility ... We passed a slave woman shot or stabbed through the body and lying on the path. [Onlookers] said an Arab who passed early that morning had done it in anger at losing the price he had given for her, because she was unable to walk any longer."
Exactly why are you attempting to absolve any Arab responsibility is beyond me.
Actually we can see this stems from early Christianity in the 2nd Century Epistle of Barnabas equated blackness with Satan and depictions of Satan being African. This is also replete in Islamic Hadiths and Quran with numerous references to Mohammad. So actually today's anti-african attitudes merely stem from religious indoctrination not western imperialism. Just to clarify this type of racism was not apparent in the pre-christian Greco-Roman empires.
How awfully convenient, because of mistranslations. Just like all those mistranslations in the Quran by Pickthall which in the recent revised english edition seem to be "dumbed down" right. Your video merely mentions that the european viewpoint is that in late "african islamic" literature they mention the africans in a more favourable light. Ibn Kathir of course was entirely mistaken when he comments on Q 3:107. Who in reality is mistranslating what - it wasn't Pickthall.
You overlook that the most destructive and demonizing effort in Africa was carried out by King Leopold of Belgium in Kongo and it was a purely secular effort.
Also, early Christianity was replete with "Black" imagery. The greatest being the Black Madonna and her accompanying statement "Negra sum sed formosa" (She is black and she is beautiful).
In Islam, Muhammad said of Bilal the Ethiop that he had a special blessing from God that no other Muslim possessed.
Leopold's crimes were carried out in the late 1800's well after Africa has started being demonised.
Also there are several "black" madonnas yet they have european features; "Non-white" is not a synonym for "black"; even amongst scholars there is no consensus. In addition this doesn't negate the fact that the devil has been portrayed more often than not with black skin and afrocentric features.
Thirdly you're telling me Bilal was more highly regarded than Mohammad himself in the eyes of Allah?
Furthermore, negative hadiths about Africans were often motivated by the fact that they were the the most successful opponents to Arab imperialism. The Zanj rebellion and the Nubian victory are just a couple examples.
Many Hadith were authored by powers seeking to legitimize their dictatorships. This is partly why the Maliki school, dominant in Africa, ignores most hadith as irrelevant.
Quran (15:26): "Verily, we created man out of potter's clay of BLACK mud altered."
Yet markellion claims there are no negative hadiths.
Yes (15:26) does say Hamaa=BLACK. But if the first man Adam was black; then why is Mohammad described as a white man with a ginger beard if he's a direct descendant. Not only that but in Islamic artwork he is clearly portrayed as white and Iblis is a black man akin to Persian divs. The fact that Bukhari, Ishaq and Tabari have overtly racist verses would further support my position of religion engendering racism.
Lets view this in its proper linguistic and cultural context.
Mohammad's grandfather was described as "Black as Midnight and magnificent". He had 10 sons known as the "10 crows" of Mecca. Baydah (white) in reference to skin, at that time, meant a smooth complexion. There was a different term for a fair skinned person. Depictions of Mohammad come almost exclusively from Persia and are all long after his death.
You've no evidence of any religious bias against Black which is your thesis.
Apart from the fact I didn't make this video and YOU couldn't be bothered to read the info section before going on your 5 post rant about defaming islam and how Mohammad couldn't be black - which really is an indictment of your own racial prejudice - I don't see how it matters what his skin colour was at all.
The Quran was also written long after mohammads death, shall I dismiss that as well? Evidence for religious bias: Race and Slavery in the Middle East by Dr. Bernard Lewis writes that Ahmad ibn Tulun separated his slave corps into black and white units with the white calvary units considered more elite not to mention the civil war at the end of the Fatimids or the treatment by the Mamluks. Racial prejudice was already ingrained as black slaves were not treated equal to white slaves.
You really need to do more research. The Quran was written during the life of the Prophet. Himself illiterate, when he would have moments of revelation everyone present would record what he had said. By this means there were several copies of the Surah that were originals. All the Surah were then gathered into a single text for mass production only 12 years later by Khalif Uthman.
Recitation, by many Muslims, of the Qur'an was the main means of conversion. How do you recite what isn't written?
As mohammad was illiterate the truth is most of it was "memorised" and recited not written down - that is how you recite was is not written. Either way what you had was a collection of suras not a Quran.
Uthman decided to codify the Quran after the death of Mohammad - which meant he decided what was to be included and the Quran's eventual layout NOT mohammad.
Therefore it was written after his death regardless.
Once again another point on which you are ignorant. The Quran was not just memorized. There were scribes who wrote the Quran as it was spoken along side professional memorizers, just like griots in Africa. Many followers of Mohammad converted to Islam after "reading" surah from the Quran.
Uthman didn't decide what goes in. The followers and all those present at the revelations pulled their collective records. How is this any different from the text of an African religion such as Ifa?
Actually YOU're the one who seems to be completely IGNORANT of the fact that Uthman had compiled at least 7 versions of which only one HE decided on. Even Bukhari (9:93:640) explicity implies there were suras which were different. Even today the Shia Quran is different to the Sunni one with Surah of Wilaya and Nurayn added. You even admit no codified Quran existed when Mohammad died and at least you admit people memorised it, yet minds aren't perfect are they.
@robhiengler What you're implying requires a vast conspiracy involving every single person who was close to the Prophet. Thousands of people memorized and wrote the Quran in his presence over the course of about 30 years. There was a war fought between those close to the Prophet so collusion is implausible. Uthman was knifed to death while reading the composed Quran. He couldn't have chosen the Quran and imposed it on people because he was long powerless and confined to his home then killed.
Edip Yuksel says that the idea Mohamed was illiterate was a myth and based on a mistranslation of (7:158) . I'll send you a link iArsalan do you think her argument has any merit?
Furthermore, why must Mohammad be completely black in complex simply because he is a direct descendant from the first man whom the Quran describes as black?
Do you realize that all those people you call "white" are themselves direct descendants from so-called black people?
Why is Mohammad's complexion at all relevant?
Why would you judge a religion by the complexion of it's messenger? Do you not see the hypocrisy of opposing racism while upholding such a contradictory view?
So you don't think that Mohammad being portrayed as white is relavant? My point was the DEVIL is portrayed in abrahamic religious art as being black with clear afrocentric features whilst MOHAMMAD is depicted as WHITE - hence the association in islam. How is this hypocrisy at all? I am judging a religion by the content of its message and the subsequent actions of its adherents. I personally couldn't care less what color mohammad's skin or pubes were I'm merely stating facts.
That depiction of by an independent artist who bases his depiction purely on his own cultural bias. Where in the QURAN is the devil described as black? Where in the QURAN is Mohammad described as white? The only references in the whole of the Quran to skin color is the description of Adam and Eve as black and attributing the variety of colors as a beautiful diversity.
I will say it again: Present your evidence from the QURAN. Until you cad do this, your arguments are fallacious.
Hardly fallacious when the argument here is pictorial representation which you just admitted was true. As for the description of Mohammad I refer to the hadiths: Sahih Bukhary Volume 2, Book 17, Number 141 - do black people have white armpits? there are many more references. As for his treatment of his black slaves Sahih Bukhary Book 9, Number 3901 - he considered of less worth than other slave colours.
Also the Quran doesn't explicity say that Adam & Eve were black, just made from black clay
Furthermore I request it once more, produce your evidence from the QURAN. Not the hadith, which are not universally accepted as authentic, not the behavior of certain Muslims; the QURAN.
That is a point that you continually avoid and in any case that it contradicts your cited hadith you minimalize it.
All pictorial representations of Allah, the Prophets, the Angels, are forbidden in Islam so those that exist do not reflect the religion but a cultural view.
Yet my argument wasn't specifically about the Quran was it? So what we have further agreed that the Hadiths which are religious texts contain racism. Furthermore isn't islam everything as Nonie Darwish says? Does that not include culture or do you deny this?
If you consider the Jews as a race then the Quran villifies them (5:13), (2:61), (2:96), (4:52), (4:160). I pretty much see that as racial descrimination and btw I use the UN definition.
In addition how does saying Adam and Eve were made from black clay contradict the Hadiths which indicate that Mohammad treated his black slaves with less regard, or the fact he was described as essentially white? They don't and you saying they do doesn't change that fact. You're clutching at thin straws: let's all pretend the bad stuff doesn't exist because it suits iArsalan's argument.
@robhiengler The Hadith are a collection of fairy tales. Most of the hadith were created by men who wanted to legitimize their power or push a set agenda. Abu Huraira who narated more hadith than any other was a proven liar and bigot. The Maliki school of thought doesn't even consider hadith valid, which is the dominant school in Africa. Furthermore, any hadith contradicted by the Quran is invalid. I notice so much attention is given to the hadith but no one debates the text of the Quran.
@robhiengler The Hadith are a collection of fairy tales. Most of the hadith were created by men who wanted to legitimize their power or push a set agenda. Abu Huraira who narated more hadith than any other was a proven liar and bigot. The Maliki school of thought doesn't even consider hadith valid, which is the dominant school in Africa. Furthermore, any hadith contradicted by the Quran is invalid. I notice so much attention is given to the hadith but no one debates the text of the Quran.
@robhiengler But all this is a matter of what you choose to believe versus what I choose to believe, since none of this can be definitively proven. The question then remains: What do you hope to achieve with this? There is an amazing corpus of scholarly works on science, society, political theory, poetry, philosophy and much more, rotting from neglect in Timbuktu. In your hate, would you allow our legacy to be lost, gaining from it no benefit simply because it's authors were Muslims?
@robhiengler You should read the works of Ahmed Baba, Ahmadou Bamba, Samori Toure, El Hajj Umar Tal, Uthman dan Fodio, Mohammad Bello and Nana Asmau. All of these scholars were engaged in the struggle against slavery and Arab/European colonialism. Their works and names are unknown to much of the diaspora. They constitute the single greatest concerted effort of resistance and political organizing in the modern era. Almost all of them were defeated by other Africans in collusion with Europe.
@curatrix2008 Sigh... why do I even waste my time. I'm not arguing with fools like you anymore. I'm about real change and progress. People have their beliefs and weather I agree with them or not, it's going to take all of us working together to overcome the problems afflicting We. There's a lot of good men and women doing beautiful work, Muslim, Christian and otherwise. That's all that matters to me.
I'm for those who are doing something, not shiftless fools who just SIT and complain.
In Islam, the Qur'an is the only true source and authority on Islamic doctrine. Not mullahs, not clerics, not scholars, not the hadith, and certainly not Arabs.
I've yet to see anyone make a strong attack on the Qur'an itself. All I've seen have been misinterpretations and sophisticated reinterpretations of text without context or thoughtful insight.
An objective observation: Nothing in this video places a firm indictment upon the religion, but against some of its practitioners.
and its interesting that you try to absolve the Arabs of any involvement in the slave trade. Actually the originally author merely points out that the slave trade was not just limited to "white" people using slaves on plantations, but actually has some historical context to it.
Most of the African slavery started with the Dutch and later the British. The Arabs were too primitive to carry on the slave trade to any significant extent and didn't have a sense of racism like we have today (most of these ideas come from mistranslations)
The Arabs were too primitive yet the Ottoman empire was at its peak in the 1600's? Lets not mention the fact that the trans-Saharan slave trade is a proven fact, just an example: Sultan Moulay Ismail raised a slave army of 150,000 in 1627. Absolutely farcical to say the arabs were too primitive.
The British just decided to commercialize it in the best representation of human greed and avarice exploiting an already existent slave procuring system.
@robhiengler I'm talking about modern banking and everything. According to Robert Norris it was after 1688 that Brittan could carry on the slave trade to it's fullest extent
Watch this video and you'll see what I meant by the Arabs being to primitive
"The African holocaust required more resources than most nations had"
I watched it and it wasn't explained. So why don't you spell it out. I mean its all very good and everything saying watch this video but it really doesn't say anything to support your position.
You are wrong on few of the things you wrote. Firstly the tribes adopted Islam they did not mixed with Arabs. In Fact it was fulani Jihad that converted alot of African tribes way before the slave trade. Fulani's are not mixed, some are but the vast majority are not. The slave trade happened because certain tribes wanted weapons to defeat other tribes. So they raided other tribes, to gain military strength. the Akan people raided tribes as well as other tribes raiding others. It was for power.
Listen white boy. when did I say Africans didn't war before the slave trade??? I said we sold each other for better weapons to conquer and war against one another. of course we were forced into the slavery. no one never said that we weren't.
Guns wasn't the reason. the reason was for power and control over other Africans. Just look at the roman and Mongol empires. They were so large because of their lust for control and power. Same thing was going on in Africa.
@rpgking1989 I wasn't talking about the reason I was talking about how they were able to operate the slave trade. They did so by economic manipulation
"I verily believe, that the far greater part of the wars, in Africa, would cease, if the Europeans would cease to tempt them, by offering goods for slaves....
if many of these wars are kindled by the incentive of selling their prisoners ; what an annual accumulation of blood must there be, crying against the nations of Europe concerned in this trade, and particularly against our own!"
Also please watch "The Myth of the Sultans in the Western Indian Ocean"
Brittan was behind the East African slave trade too. The Indians that financed it were British subjects, everyone involved in that slave trade was in someway subordinate or in debt to Brittan
No doubt the British had a hand in the East African slave trade but this was well established by the Arabs back in the 9th century. Considering this reached its climax in the 19th century the Omani arabs were the ones selling for profit to european colonies not out of debt to the British. Clove Plantations in Tanzania were owned and run exclusively by arabs using black slaves look up Saleh bin Haramil. British abolished slavery in 1833 and didn't take Tanzania until 1890.
Again Markellion your video itself actually supports the notion that Sultan Said was involved in slavery and that the British in 1812 after the Slavery Trade Act 1807 which prohibited slave trading in the British Empire tried to limit his (Sultan's) actions. Again all you've proven is you don't know your own material please stop spamming this board with "go see this video" answers.
No permission needed as I'm not the original author and she's (Afrochoc) is no longer on youtube. Feel free to put in on your site provided you don't alter the material.
Actually the video showed how slaves continued to be sold to Christians, how the "sultan" was a puppet of the British, and how Indian British subjects were financing the whole thing
Actually your video claims the British Government pressured the Sultan to STOP selling slaves in YOUR OWN WORDS. Check your dates as well; tell me what bills were passed in 1807,1833 and 1845. I wouldn't also be blaming the Indians as actually it was "East India Company" Territories were exempt not India itself, that still made export of slavery illegal from Africa. Sultan Said was motivated by profit and not because he was a puppet - so stop trying to excuse his OWN actions.
What makes you think he didn't? All you offered is a hearsay quote from an unamed sailor which is more opinion than fact. In fact you have offered very little that is historically relevant or of substance.
The descriptions box is limited but this is confirmed by Livingston and Frere that the people involved were all in debt to Indian subjects of the British. The quote and source see descriptions box of this video:
"Forces more powerful than religion - The African slave trade"
What it confirms is Livingston "believed" that the Arabs were all too happy to find and sell the slaves (which was my point in the first place) but LACKED the capital for a large scale trafficking operation to india which would have been financed by the Banians . In no sense were the arabs indebted to the Indians; they didn't owe them any money: that idea my simple minded friend you have just pulled from betwixt your ass cheeks. Again you're twisting facts to suit your agenda.
were the true israelites of the bible not originating from africa however israel. get it straight the dmn africans(hamites) captured and sold us into slavery
Q2:177 Righteousness is not turning your faces towards the east or the west. Righteous are those who believe in GOD, the Last Day, the angels, the scripture, and the prophets; and they give the money, cheerfully, to the relatives, the orphans, the needy, the traveling alien, the beggars, and to free the slaves; and they observe the Contact Prayers. Q2:178 Anyone who transgresses beyond this incurs a painful retribution.YOU TAKE ONLY PARTS THAT PROVE WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT ISLAM NOT WHAT IS TRUE!
I don't have Pals in Sudan! Especially those who participate in killing their own people. It's sad that you are blind to what is actually going on in the world, Man on this planet is a disease to themselves. Go ahead and keep floating on cloud nine, Christian, Jews, Muslims, atheist, woman and Man, All people are killing each other, It is in the nature of Man, So keep being foolish and close your eyes to the truth.
"33:50 O Prophet! Lo! We have made lawful unto thee thy wives unto whom thou hast paid their dowries, and those whom thy right hand possesseth of those whom Allah hath given thee as spoils of war,"
The Quran doesn't abolish or admonish slavery either; I agree it does say to treat your slaves well; free/marry those who are believers - but IMO this is a method of recruiting people to islam. 4:92, 2:221, 4:32-33 etc. etc.
In order to understand the passage you must read the whole thing, These passages are suggested for giving different solutions for freedom to the slaves or even those fleeing from there husbands or masters. Some people of those times were not willing to let go of slaves, The Quran does not Abolish Slavery, Man has to be willing to do so. The Quran however speaks Against it and warns those who do not free the slaves of their judgment.
christopher columbus never stepped FOOT in the USA, he landed in hisponlia what is called today haiti/dominican republic.
only 4% of the so called africans came to the United States, I don't know why you assholes try to make so called african americans the poster child for this ordile.
Islam does not condone slavery rather it encourages freeing slaves, however humans, lazy low life humans who don't want to work hard use slaves to their advantage. Slavery is not a religious institution but humans will use religion to justify it and to oppress. This video point out groups and other religions that are so called responsible for slavery, but a wise person would be able to identify that humans are responsible for slavery not one particular group or religion.
Forget about healing and forgiveness and being good to one another, we still like to point fingers and promote hate and racism, not progress for the better of human beings. We know the past, what are we doing to make things better? Talking about the negative and only the negative does not promote peace it only promotes hate and ignorance.
the video that this is in response to is with a man that does not want you to know the truth. After I placed passages in the Koran which outwardly allows slave trading to refute what he said, the miserable coward had me blocked. Again you know the truth.
Not all christians want to hide the facts of slavery.Many like my self see it as a sin tored almighty God,and those who are inslaved.Some christians chews to egnor it,but not all.
This is an EXCELLENT video. Many would love to deny that a certain population did not partake in slave trading. I knew most of the info given in the video and it is very accurate. The muslims would capture sub saharan blacks and then traded with jews who owned the ships, hired the crews, provided weapons and chains and insured the boats and the human cargo.
I believe the name of the movie was SANKOFA. For those of you who have not seen it is a must see. Its nore than ten years old but with a little bit of research you should be able to locate it.
excellent video! :) i have looked in numerous books and internet articles and i have found very similar information african history is indeed rich i hope to travel to west africa for cultural reasons and learned the all the language there very exciting! :)
gloryus84 thanks for your comments, please read the info section; the video was made by afrochoc so any comments concerning factual accuracy should be made to her; but yes taken on board - thanks again!
I think the sender of this clip does'nt have historical facts.
Now where Jihadist attack nation for gaining slaves. I know you can agree with me that there had been a trade relation between the Arab and Africans. Can you notify our relationship with westerns of that time, it is through wars.
First of all read the info section; is that really too hard. Secondly the trans-saharan slave trade is well documented, if you can't be bothered to do your some research. Thirdly look up the Barbary wars; islam never taking slaves???? - you are clearly one delusional individual, lets not even get into the fact that "prophet" muhammad piss be upon him regularly took women as slaves though violence as recorded in the hadiths and even the Quran i.e. 33:50, 23:5, 70:30, 24:34, 4:24 ad nauseum!
yes thank you, its sad, but its not black and white, it good and evil, rich and poor, but i actually seen a video on an african prince that was captured and was put to work on the field, ran, then came back because he realized there was no hope, he didn't speak the language and he stood out like a thumb in white society. anyone have the title of this movie?
Thanks for taking the initiative to repost this video. It's important to have an objective presentation of this subject, when so much misinformation and misrepresentation is out there. Well done!
first of all its asante n not ashante its not because tht white man made it ashante tht errbody hs 2 say it like damn its asante ... second twi is a language n not a tribe
TheCKandy 5 months ago
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@TheCKandy i agree with you cos im ghanaian too :)
maryy902 1 week ago
arabs never intoduced horses to africans. africans have been riding horses with bridal and saddle for more than 25,000 years.
SunGodGlow 6 months ago
So, this is about bringing the other part of me to the forefront one that I can assimilate to.. not to get stuck in or to build a false idea of (although most of the euro history taught does just that) this is all fact. I used this to build a human internal pride as most people use their history..to build them up and push them forward..no one should be wronged for looking for their place and their history
kaloniaj 7 months ago
@arab what I find interesting about your comment is the idea that the bloodline matters when it comes to this issue. If we were talking inheritance, maybe,but this is talking about an over all heritage and ancient history.. I must identify with what my skin tells me because there is no other reference.. I know irish and native american, but can I claim them as an identity? Not really because I don't look like them.. although I carry the blood. My skin says african, my hair and other attributes.
kaloniaj 7 months ago
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Poeple, you should watch this video: youtube.com/watch?v=ONEaBvF6_Pc&feature=related
prjibaro1 8 months ago
"olori oko" is the "farmer" the proverb is that the "farmer is coming to tend his folk" as in "jesus christ is coming back " .... its nothing to do with slavery.. period.
SuperQueenofAfrica 9 months ago
this is a yoruba proverb set to music, why is it being used here? as it has nothing to do with slavery in america.. ??????? fyi it is a christain song to boot..
SuperQueenofAfrica 9 months ago
@SuperQueenofAfrica What's the name of the music to in the second half of the video???!!!!
chukwuemeka23456 6 months ago
It's funny how, whites want to criticize blacks for trying to connect with their past. And I applaud all black people for this. This is therapy for all blacks living in a white mans world. I don't see this trend among whites though. Is it because the white history is filled with homosexuality, bestiality, barbarianism, child molestation, murder and oppression? That's why it's for w easier for whites to go around and bash black videos. They see themselves as perfect and don't want therapy.
Doctorlg 10 months ago
The slaves brought over here were captured and enslaved by other african tribes and then sold off as trade. End of story....GET OVER IT!!!!
bonnieG69 11 months ago
@bonnieG69 : Easy to say "GET OVER IT " Afterall it wasn't your forefathers that were enslaved. The problem is not the trade but the actions and behaviours of white slaves owners. The reaction to those actions are what we are seeing today, the outcome of your forefathers idiocy is affecting your kinds and it had made you to be an unfeeling evil moron.
Spongyb 9 months ago 2
@bonnieG69
Oh no! This is part of an heritage we do want to remember.
Just because you have forgotten when you were enslaved by other European tribe in Europe doesn't mean we wanna do the same.
mosofelagwada 9 months ago
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@bonnieG69
Oh no! This is part of an heritage we do want to remember.
Just because you have forgotten that you were enslaved by other European tribe in Europe doesn't mean we have to do the same.
mosofelagwada 9 months ago
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@bonnieG69 Oh no! This is part of an heritage we do want to remember.
Just because you have forgotten that you were enslaved by other European tribe in Europe doesn't mean we have to do the same.
mosofelagwada 9 months ago
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@bonnieG69 Oh no! This is part of an heritage we do want to remember.
Just because you have forgotten that you were enslaved by other European tribe in Europe doesn't mean we have to do the same.
mosofelagwada 9 months ago
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@bonnieG69 Oh no! This is part of an heritage we do want to remember.
Just because you have forgotten that you were enslaved by other European tribe in Europe doesn't mean we have to do the same.
mosofelagwada 9 months ago
man dont let this cracker deceive you. i dont beleive nothing the white man has to tell me.he is closely related to the devil.lies lies lies lies.white folks been changing history for years. yall still owe blacks for 400 years and refuse to pay. judgement is comming for yall. he is the best liar on earth. This is how they continue to fuck us up( i hate to curse but). dont beleive this.liar liar liar liar liar liar liar liar liar
rod14525 11 months ago
People blow my mind with collective thinking. No whites actually inslaved Free African Men and Women. To think in this day and age that now the lingo is "Whites Bought Slaves" as to say they didn't plot and plan, is crazy. This is your view not mine, see your history and real history don't match all the way. Whites helped big time in the tricky of many tribes and also took well known waring tribes and place them with one another during slave raids. Why did you leave that out.
germanyinthehouse 11 months ago
beleive it or not, theres a world-wide secret that has been kept for years, negros in west africa that were sold into slavery all over the world ARENT EVEN AFRICAN....although we have african influence in ancestry, ancient writtings as well as a few more recent writtings, and EVEN A FEW AFRICANS will tell you that NEGROS are not hammite africans by blood and identity,
FACT: JUST BECAUSE YOU LOOK LIKE YOU ARE AFRICAN DOESNT MEAN YOU ARE, PPL OF COLOR WERE ALWAYS WORLD WIDE BEINGS
arab3515 1 year ago
@robhiengler what's the name of the song from 5:25 onward??!!!
chukwuemeka23456 1 year ago
from 5:25 onward, what's the name of the song???
chukwuemeka23456 1 year ago
OMG this hurts my heart.They are people they are not possions.They want to know the truth and they deserver the thuth what ever it may be.All colors have been slaves by the powerfull it must stop we are all people with feelings and a heart .I want to know where the heart is in these buyers of people?I am so sorry for slaves of all colors.we must all stand and say no more slaves of any color.May life treat you right.
1Littleagger 1 year ago
This video is a eye opener, But the slave trade has to be debunked, NOT ALL BLACKS CAME FROM AFRICA, When Christopher Columbus landed on my land he was surprised to see Blacks already here! Indigenous Americans like our Great Ancestors THE OLMECS and many Indigenous of Tribes North and South America. You see North America is Ancient West Africa due to Continental Drift!
chink34 1 year ago
Cont. We tend to do alot of finger pointing without taking to search the internet for answers and the oldest accounts. Besides, the information you find is another person's account so how do you know the truth. When it is time for people to know the full account of slavery and be able to handle the full written book we all may be died by that time. Life is too short not to learn now about the African culture the truth will come in the wash.
zjones1222 1 year ago
@zjones1222 Amen
PeopleliexDontheweb 1 year ago
Which story is correct? I don't think anyone really know since they didn't live at the time. It would be nice to except the full story with supporting evidence starting from Europe. Europe was involved in creating a new world agenda so it would make since for people to start research there for laws and doctrine of Columbus. If you want to know the truth start at the beginning. My objection with this video is with the attack on Islamic blacks as captures under the direction of whom?
zjones1222 1 year ago
LOL I heard blacks become the mean slave race. Be cuz of how cheap they would sell each other.
jackfire55 1 year ago
@jackfire55 Actually its because the whites and arabs was weaker and died easily they even began trading 4 white slaves for 1 african! For the first 200 yrs of the slave trade africans were not enslaved eastern europeans made up the majority of the slaves thus the term slav = slave!
yahshuah29 1 year ago
@yahshuah29 LOL O I get a kick out of that. That was some funny shit. U should really read up on the matter. Blacks enslaved other blacks and than sold them cheap to who ever would buy them.
jackfire55 1 year ago
@jackfire55 Ok? Did I make any reference to that tiny? Whites blacks and arabs sold whites for thousands of years also sooo you mean you did not know that? I should warn you that if you have not studied slavery thoroughly I am not the person you want to debate on the issue being I have studied the slave trade for 2 decades now. Slavery in the west began in 1492 & did not include africans in any significant amount until the late 1600s the term slave was coined from the term slav these are facts!
yahshuah29 1 year ago
@yahshuah29 My good man I was pointing out how your statement was bull shit. The Actually its because the whites and arabs was weaker and died easily they even began trading 4 white slaves for 1 African! O but I love it. That was some funny shit. And yes i know all races where slaves at one point in time. Yes even whites as well. Hell we have made movies about white slaves. Look up the Gladiator.
jackfire55 1 year ago
@jackfire55 My dear brother after rereading my statement I see where I could have stated it in a less bigoted manner! I do not mean that whites or arabs are inferior I am actually giving a direct quote from a book on the subject they are not my words. Whites and other groups made up the majority of slaves in America for hundreds of years however the general public is unaware of this fact something I think that needs to change to free whites from their guilt & blacks from being victims!
yahshuah29 1 year ago
@yahshuah29 O yes! The cult of white guilt and cult of black victimization. Nothing has keep black people down as much as them 2 groups. Man do not get me started on that. And even if the general public was aware of the fact. It would not really change anything. Some people have made a living out of thes cults. Take the NAACP. They need blacks to be the victims to stay up and running. If the cult of white guilt and cult of black victimization end. So does the NAACP.
jackfire55 1 year ago
@jackfire55 hey, WE WERE VICTIMS!!!!! ;) BUT WE FUCKING ROSE (AND ARE STILL RISING)!!!!! ;)
chukwuemeka23456 1 year ago
@jackfire55 I agree with you 10000% this probably surprises you but its true fuck the naacp & jessie jackson & the rest of the bums!
yahshuah29 1 year ago
@yahshuah29 They are a modern day cargo cult. Crying about how the evil white people stole there planes.
jackfire55 1 year ago
@yahshuah29 @yahshuah29 damn!!!!!! THAT EXPLAINS ALOT!!!!!! ;)
chukwuemeka23456 1 year ago
Thanks for your research and posting the video, however with 80 million+ Africans and Isrealites stolen and the trauma and destruction of an entire continent, not to mention the horrors and suffering our ancestors endured, the most response from the video is an argument among people upholding the Quran. Well Who Gives a Damn to those of us who have been kidnapped, where is the sympathy. The focus should not be which book(s) was involved, but who, who were(are) the people who did this.
ConsciouslyCreate211 1 year ago
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IncanMaroon 1 year ago
Yeah unfortunately our ancestors were taken from all over Africa. They like to limit it to just West Africa but they took us from north and East-South and West. They like to hide the fact that because they don't want it to come out how they stole those 22 tablets out of Egypt and used them to create America along with slave labor.
dismissed7 1 year ago
@dismissed7 22 tablets??!!!
chukwuemeka23456 1 year ago
@chukwuemeka23456 Yes...they stole the knowledge left behind by our ancient ancestors....the symbolism is everywhere. The scale symbol for the courts is one (which is Maat scale of truth and justice) the back of the dollar bill just to name a few....and I was referring to the Emerald tablets of Thoth...I can provide more info if you like but I will need to send you a private message on here.
dismissed7 1 year ago
@dismissed7 ok, i would like to have a private message about this, ty!!!!!
chukwuemeka23456 1 year ago
@chukwuemeka23456 ok...I'll send it to you...
dismissed7 1 year ago
Well done Robhiengler very good video. May i ask what songs you used in this video?
Shaluwm
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AbaryManIam 1 year ago
Africans were enslaving each other long before the advent of Islam, kind of like clientage but did the know what waited in store when they handed these captured people over. I think they didnt ...but I could be wrong
hummingbird975 1 year ago
We just have another HENRY LOUIS GATES IN THE HOUSE!
lmarr07 1 year ago
I like how at the end, he he says we are his brothers and sisters with that stupid smiley face. Nah whoever made this vid, is telling a big lie. 1) Slaves were not sold by Africans in the start of all this, they were captured...by Europeans who turn other Africans tribes against each other. 2) He failed to mention that Africans fought the Europeans. 3) There was Zero mention of how the W.Africans wanted to trade(Gold, materials, etc NOT HUMANS).
lmarr07 1 year ago
Yeah this vid is so far form the truth...
lmarr07 1 year ago
WHAT!...Africans was sold by their AFRICAN KING 6:25, I notice YAH only spoken of the slavery in Israel that were doing to the Hebrews, I will research my Holy Book again because I have to know the truth and YAH word do not lie. Notice they didnt say anything about these SLAVES was not in EGYPT because only the Hebrews were in salves in Egypt at that time. On 7:44 the Obamas went there because Michelle people were slaves sold from there.
MsCuriousCat 1 year ago
On 2:42 was the real JEW, notice the part of Africa they fled to where med to dark people lived not people that looked like the GENTILES. WOW!...Horses came from the Arabs from Arabia ...cool. WOW look how BLACK those guys were, now that's black. Maybe they need to change the name calling of the Black man here in the US and make it the "all shades of BROWN man" because I see BLACK and that's not here in the US. .
MsCuriousCat 1 year ago
Thank you! arabs are to blame for all my problems! LOL! All the racism, ive received in the world!
Katelnine 2 years ago
Brother, know that I dispute with you not as mere apologetics but out of intellectual honesty. There are some strong flaws in your thesis and your assertions just don't hold water. But most dangerous in what you are doing is the externalization of evil. This is the very core human failing whence racism derives.
You can not speak of Arab/Euro injustices against Africans without addressing the accounts African enslavement of Europeans and other Africans.
That is hypocrisy.
iArsalan 2 years ago
@iArsalan
First of all it is NOT MY video. Secondly the video adequately "addresses the accounts African enslavement of Europeans and other Africans".
What exactly am I doing with the externalisation of evil? You've just summarised my argument for me, precisely because religion did and still does externalise its perception of evil is why we have racism that is my thesis! Please READ before you COMMENT!
robhiengler 2 years ago
To say Islam externalizes evil is to speak from a point of absolute ignorance about the doctrine of the Quran. The first and highest jihad (struggle) is with the nafs(self). Quran goes on the outline various nafs equivalent to the ego, eid, and super eid, as well as others. There is no topic more thorough discussed in the Quran than the "self" and the struggle to know and control the self.
iArsalan 2 years ago
Well Islam is simply not just limited to the Quran, now is it! You think it is, yet intolerant fatawa's are passed all the time? Besides the fact I critize all three Abrahamic religions yet you choose to defend Islam is rather interesting. Whether adherents to islam are practicing it correctly is also mute, as it is the interpretation and subsequent action based and empowered by that, that is important! I'd say you speak from an absolute point of ignorance regarding reality!
robhiengler 2 years ago
@iArsalan what do you mean Africans enslaving European's????!!!
chukwuemeka23456 1 year ago
@chukwuemeka23456 Two of the largest slave markets in the medieval world existed in Egypt and Marakesh, both run and operated by Arab, Berber, and African Emirs. The primary routes of importation were from North to South. Iberians from Spain and Slavs from Eastern Europe were the majority of slaves being sold in Muslim lands. Indeed, blonde slave women were considered exotic treasures.
Ibn Batuta mentioned European, Arab, and Ethiopian slave girls amongst the concubines of the Mansa of Mali.
iArsalan 1 year ago
@chukwuemeka23456 Furthermore, Cheik Ante Diop, himself a critic of Islam, cites this massive importation of European slaves and captives of war as the reason for the "lightening" of many North and West African populations; read "Pre-Colonial Black Africa".
Regardless of your religious beliefs, if we persist in externalizing evil and painting this idealistic picture of Africa we will never rise from our current state.
Hypocrisy from "Black" mouths is still hypocrisy.
iArsalan 1 year ago
@iArsalan where can i get the book "Pre-colonial Black Africa"?
chukwuemeka23456 1 year ago
@chukwuemeka23456 Amazon . com
iArsalan 1 year ago
Also the other video response shows that "Arabs" could not do it themselves
I'm satisfied I have shown enough evidence
markellion 2 years ago
@markellion
So go and watch this video is your evidence? Just make sure you don't ever become a defence lawyer, because cherry picked quotes from obscure books to further your own agenda. For all I know the author has presented two viewpoints to the historical context and you've just written down the side which suits your own views.
robhiengler 2 years ago
Youtube had a mechanism to limit copying quotes on comment. Look at the descriptions box of the video
markellion 2 years ago
I have the descriptions parallell what is in the video. It mentions NOTHING on why the arabs could not sell slaves. In fact all it mentions is wealth generated by slavery for the British empire. My point still remains the British merely exploited the existing infrastructure which the arabs and other muslims through the various islamic caliphates had created. The British were not rich or powerful prior to the slave trade.
robhiengler 2 years ago
Its the 2nd video response attached to this video. In it I specifically addressed some of the statement you made
markellion 2 years ago
Precisely the one I was looking at.
robhiengler 2 years ago
@markellion ok course arab didn't do it themselves!!!!!
chukwuemeka23456 1 year ago
And my video response "Reminder of the epicenes of the African slave trade" showed that it continued even when the "Sultan" was cooperating with the English
markellion 2 years ago
Your video takes quotes from 1795 such as William Pitt commenting on the slave trade and then you claim this applies to 1875, 80 years later. Simply taking quotes out of context from your google book search is laughable at best. How ironic though the quotes you use all come from "europeans" lamenting at the immorality of slavery and their own countries. Also you don't mention Sultan Said at all; it doesn't show anything at relavant or any proof other than you saying it did.
robhiengler 2 years ago
@robhiengler You are looking at the wrong video. The video I'm talking about quotes Robert Norris (1791) and shows no other nation could carry on the slave trade except Brittan
markellion 2 years ago
@Markellion
You don't even know your own videos! That one is titled "Forces more powerful than religion - The African slave trade" and that still doesn't refer to Sultan Said. Also it is absolutely pathetic you have to quote me out of context to further your own agenda. I guess lying is natural to you, my god sir I do believe you owe me an apology.
robhiengler 2 years ago
Also watch this video
"Arabization of Swahili,slave trade and the British"
This quote is from Livingston and confirms what John Newton said
"It is well known that the slave trade in this country is carried on almost entirely with his money and that of other Banian British subjects. The Banians advance the goods required, and the Arabs proceed inland as their agents, perform the trading, or rather murdering...The Banians pocket the price, and adroitly let the odium rest on their agents
markellion 2 years ago
Yet Livingston also wrote of the Pacific slave trade which was already existed mainly due to the Arabs from the 9th Century
"To overdraw its evils is a simple impossibility ... We passed a slave woman shot or stabbed through the body and lying on the path. [Onlookers] said an Arab who passed early that morning had done it in anger at losing the price he had given for her, because she was unable to walk any longer."
Exactly why are you attempting to absolve any Arab responsibility is beyond me.
robhiengler 2 years ago
About Arabs not being racist see my video
"When "Negroes" dominated "Arabs" part 1 (ignored aspect of history)"
Anti-African attitudes throughout the world today are rooted in western imperialism
markellion 2 years ago
Actually we can see this stems from early Christianity in the 2nd Century Epistle of Barnabas equated blackness with Satan and depictions of Satan being African. This is also replete in Islamic Hadiths and Quran with numerous references to Mohammad. So actually today's anti-african attitudes merely stem from religious indoctrination not western imperialism. Just to clarify this type of racism was not apparent in the pre-christian Greco-Roman empires.
robhiengler 2 years ago
@robhiengler Actually most of that is because of mistranslations. See video
"Arab / Muslim Literature on black people And "The Colonial Imaginary"
In the description box there is an article talking about mistranslations
markellion 2 years ago
How awfully convenient, because of mistranslations. Just like all those mistranslations in the Quran by Pickthall which in the recent revised english edition seem to be "dumbed down" right. Your video merely mentions that the european viewpoint is that in late "african islamic" literature they mention the africans in a more favourable light. Ibn Kathir of course was entirely mistaken when he comments on Q 3:107. Who in reality is mistranslating what - it wasn't Pickthall.
robhiengler 2 years ago
You overlook that the most destructive and demonizing effort in Africa was carried out by King Leopold of Belgium in Kongo and it was a purely secular effort.
Also, early Christianity was replete with "Black" imagery. The greatest being the Black Madonna and her accompanying statement "Negra sum sed formosa" (She is black and she is beautiful).
In Islam, Muhammad said of Bilal the Ethiop that he had a special blessing from God that no other Muslim possessed.
iArsalan 2 years ago
Leopold's crimes were carried out in the late 1800's well after Africa has started being demonised.
Also there are several "black" madonnas yet they have european features; "Non-white" is not a synonym for "black"; even amongst scholars there is no consensus. In addition this doesn't negate the fact that the devil has been portrayed more often than not with black skin and afrocentric features.
Thirdly you're telling me Bilal was more highly regarded than Mohammad himself in the eyes of Allah?
robhiengler 2 years ago
Furthermore, negative hadiths about Africans were often motivated by the fact that they were the the most successful opponents to Arab imperialism. The Zanj rebellion and the Nubian victory are just a couple examples.
Many Hadith were authored by powers seeking to legitimize their dictatorships. This is partly why the Maliki school, dominant in Africa, ignores most hadith as irrelevant.
Quran (15:26): "Verily, we created man out of potter's clay of BLACK mud altered."
iArsalan 2 years ago
Yet markellion claims there are no negative hadiths.
Yes (15:26) does say Hamaa=BLACK. But if the first man Adam was black; then why is Mohammad described as a white man with a ginger beard if he's a direct descendant. Not only that but in Islamic artwork he is clearly portrayed as white and Iblis is a black man akin to Persian divs. The fact that Bukhari, Ishaq and Tabari have overtly racist verses would further support my position of religion engendering racism.
robhiengler 2 years ago
Lets view this in its proper linguistic and cultural context.
Mohammad's grandfather was described as "Black as Midnight and magnificent". He had 10 sons known as the "10 crows" of Mecca. Baydah (white) in reference to skin, at that time, meant a smooth complexion. There was a different term for a fair skinned person. Depictions of Mohammad come almost exclusively from Persia and are all long after his death.
You've no evidence of any religious bias against Black which is your thesis.
iArsalan 2 years ago
@iArsalan
Apart from the fact I didn't make this video and YOU couldn't be bothered to read the info section before going on your 5 post rant about defaming islam and how Mohammad couldn't be black - which really is an indictment of your own racial prejudice - I don't see how it matters what his skin colour was at all.
robhiengler 2 years ago
The Quran was also written long after mohammads death, shall I dismiss that as well? Evidence for religious bias: Race and Slavery in the Middle East by Dr. Bernard Lewis writes that Ahmad ibn Tulun separated his slave corps into black and white units with the white calvary units considered more elite not to mention the civil war at the end of the Fatimids or the treatment by the Mamluks. Racial prejudice was already ingrained as black slaves were not treated equal to white slaves.
robhiengler 2 years ago
You really need to do more research. The Quran was written during the life of the Prophet. Himself illiterate, when he would have moments of revelation everyone present would record what he had said. By this means there were several copies of the Surah that were originals. All the Surah were then gathered into a single text for mass production only 12 years later by Khalif Uthman.
Recitation, by many Muslims, of the Qur'an was the main means of conversion. How do you recite what isn't written?
iArsalan 2 years ago
As mohammad was illiterate the truth is most of it was "memorised" and recited not written down - that is how you recite was is not written. Either way what you had was a collection of suras not a Quran.
Uthman decided to codify the Quran after the death of Mohammad - which meant he decided what was to be included and the Quran's eventual layout NOT mohammad.
Therefore it was written after his death regardless.
robhiengler 2 years ago
Once again another point on which you are ignorant. The Quran was not just memorized. There were scribes who wrote the Quran as it was spoken along side professional memorizers, just like griots in Africa. Many followers of Mohammad converted to Islam after "reading" surah from the Quran.
Uthman didn't decide what goes in. The followers and all those present at the revelations pulled their collective records. How is this any different from the text of an African religion such as Ifa?
iArsalan 2 years ago
Actually YOU're the one who seems to be completely IGNORANT of the fact that Uthman had compiled at least 7 versions of which only one HE decided on. Even Bukhari (9:93:640) explicity implies there were suras which were different. Even today the Shia Quran is different to the Sunni one with Surah of Wilaya and Nurayn added. You even admit no codified Quran existed when Mohammad died and at least you admit people memorised it, yet minds aren't perfect are they.
robhiengler 2 years ago
@robhiengler What you're implying requires a vast conspiracy involving every single person who was close to the Prophet. Thousands of people memorized and wrote the Quran in his presence over the course of about 30 years. There was a war fought between those close to the Prophet so collusion is implausible. Uthman was knifed to death while reading the composed Quran. He couldn't have chosen the Quran and imposed it on people because he was long powerless and confined to his home then killed.
iArsalan 1 year ago
Off topic. In
"QURAN A Reformist Translation"
Edip Yuksel says that the idea Mohamed was illiterate was a myth and based on a mistranslation of (7:158) . I'll send you a link iArsalan do you think her argument has any merit?
markellion 2 years ago
Furthermore, why must Mohammad be completely black in complex simply because he is a direct descendant from the first man whom the Quran describes as black?
Do you realize that all those people you call "white" are themselves direct descendants from so-called black people?
Why is Mohammad's complexion at all relevant?
Why would you judge a religion by the complexion of it's messenger? Do you not see the hypocrisy of opposing racism while upholding such a contradictory view?
iArsalan 2 years ago
@iArsalan
So you don't think that Mohammad being portrayed as white is relavant? My point was the DEVIL is portrayed in abrahamic religious art as being black with clear afrocentric features whilst MOHAMMAD is depicted as WHITE - hence the association in islam. How is this hypocrisy at all? I am judging a religion by the content of its message and the subsequent actions of its adherents. I personally couldn't care less what color mohammad's skin or pubes were I'm merely stating facts.
robhiengler 2 years ago
That depiction of by an independent artist who bases his depiction purely on his own cultural bias. Where in the QURAN is the devil described as black? Where in the QURAN is Mohammad described as white? The only references in the whole of the Quran to skin color is the description of Adam and Eve as black and attributing the variety of colors as a beautiful diversity.
I will say it again: Present your evidence from the QURAN. Until you cad do this, your arguments are fallacious.
iArsalan 2 years ago
Hardly fallacious when the argument here is pictorial representation which you just admitted was true. As for the description of Mohammad I refer to the hadiths: Sahih Bukhary Volume 2, Book 17, Number 141 - do black people have white armpits? there are many more references. As for his treatment of his black slaves Sahih Bukhary Book 9, Number 3901 - he considered of less worth than other slave colours.
Also the Quran doesn't explicity say that Adam & Eve were black, just made from black clay
robhiengler 2 years ago
Furthermore I request it once more, produce your evidence from the QURAN. Not the hadith, which are not universally accepted as authentic, not the behavior of certain Muslims; the QURAN.
That is a point that you continually avoid and in any case that it contradicts your cited hadith you minimalize it.
All pictorial representations of Allah, the Prophets, the Angels, are forbidden in Islam so those that exist do not reflect the religion but a cultural view.
Don't respond without a surah.
iArsalan 2 years ago
Yet my argument wasn't specifically about the Quran was it? So what we have further agreed that the Hadiths which are religious texts contain racism. Furthermore isn't islam everything as Nonie Darwish says? Does that not include culture or do you deny this?
If you consider the Jews as a race then the Quran villifies them (5:13), (2:61), (2:96), (4:52), (4:160). I pretty much see that as racial descrimination and btw I use the UN definition.
robhiengler 2 years ago
In addition how does saying Adam and Eve were made from black clay contradict the Hadiths which indicate that Mohammad treated his black slaves with less regard, or the fact he was described as essentially white? They don't and you saying they do doesn't change that fact. You're clutching at thin straws: let's all pretend the bad stuff doesn't exist because it suits iArsalan's argument.
robhiengler 2 years ago
@robhiengler The Hadith are a collection of fairy tales. Most of the hadith were created by men who wanted to legitimize their power or push a set agenda. Abu Huraira who narated more hadith than any other was a proven liar and bigot. The Maliki school of thought doesn't even consider hadith valid, which is the dominant school in Africa. Furthermore, any hadith contradicted by the Quran is invalid. I notice so much attention is given to the hadith but no one debates the text of the Quran.
iArsalan 1 year ago
@robhiengler The Hadith are a collection of fairy tales. Most of the hadith were created by men who wanted to legitimize their power or push a set agenda. Abu Huraira who narated more hadith than any other was a proven liar and bigot. The Maliki school of thought doesn't even consider hadith valid, which is the dominant school in Africa. Furthermore, any hadith contradicted by the Quran is invalid. I notice so much attention is given to the hadith but no one debates the text of the Quran.
iArsalan 1 year ago
@robhiengler But all this is a matter of what you choose to believe versus what I choose to believe, since none of this can be definitively proven. The question then remains: What do you hope to achieve with this? There is an amazing corpus of scholarly works on science, society, political theory, poetry, philosophy and much more, rotting from neglect in Timbuktu. In your hate, would you allow our legacy to be lost, gaining from it no benefit simply because it's authors were Muslims?
iArsalan 1 year ago
@robhiengler You should read the works of Ahmed Baba, Ahmadou Bamba, Samori Toure, El Hajj Umar Tal, Uthman dan Fodio, Mohammad Bello and Nana Asmau. All of these scholars were engaged in the struggle against slavery and Arab/European colonialism. Their works and names are unknown to much of the diaspora. They constitute the single greatest concerted effort of resistance and political organizing in the modern era. Almost all of them were defeated by other Africans in collusion with Europe.
iArsalan 1 year ago
@iArsalan now that i am here, nice.
AlQuran itself is NOT authentic.
MegaGreatAlexander 1 year ago
@iArsalan Isn't the Quran the handbook for child molestors like ol MO
curatrix2008 1 year ago
@curatrix2008 Sigh... why do I even waste my time. I'm not arguing with fools like you anymore. I'm about real change and progress. People have their beliefs and weather I agree with them or not, it's going to take all of us working together to overcome the problems afflicting We. There's a lot of good men and women doing beautiful work, Muslim, Christian and otherwise. That's all that matters to me.
I'm for those who are doing something, not shiftless fools who just SIT and complain.
iArsalan 1 year ago
In Islam, the Qur'an is the only true source and authority on Islamic doctrine. Not mullahs, not clerics, not scholars, not the hadith, and certainly not Arabs.
I've yet to see anyone make a strong attack on the Qur'an itself. All I've seen have been misinterpretations and sophisticated reinterpretations of text without context or thoughtful insight.
An objective observation: Nothing in this video places a firm indictment upon the religion, but against some of its practitioners.
iArsalan 2 years ago
The video was made by someone else. Its interesting how the original author blames all the slave trade on Arabs and Africans
markellion 2 years ago
@markellion
and its interesting that you try to absolve the Arabs of any involvement in the slave trade. Actually the originally author merely points out that the slave trade was not just limited to "white" people using slaves on plantations, but actually has some historical context to it.
robhiengler 2 years ago
I'm not saying it should be looked at in terms of blame but there was a significant shift in the 17th century that didn't exist in earlier times
markellion 2 years ago
Most of the African slavery started with the Dutch and later the British. The Arabs were too primitive to carry on the slave trade to any significant extent and didn't have a sense of racism like we have today (most of these ideas come from mistranslations)
markellion 2 years ago
The Arabs were too primitive yet the Ottoman empire was at its peak in the 1600's? Lets not mention the fact that the trans-Saharan slave trade is a proven fact, just an example: Sultan Moulay Ismail raised a slave army of 150,000 in 1627. Absolutely farcical to say the arabs were too primitive.
The British just decided to commercialize it in the best representation of human greed and avarice exploiting an already existent slave procuring system.
robhiengler 2 years ago
@robhiengler I'm talking about modern banking and everything. According to Robert Norris it was after 1688 that Brittan could carry on the slave trade to it's fullest extent
Watch this video and you'll see what I meant by the Arabs being to primitive
"The African holocaust required more resources than most nations had"
markellion 2 years ago
I watched it and it wasn't explained. So why don't you spell it out. I mean its all very good and everything saying watch this video but it really doesn't say anything to support your position.
robhiengler 2 years ago
WOW! that was very beautiful who ever put this together everything was accurate I enjoyed the music good work.
libking4life 2 years ago
You are wrong on few of the things you wrote. Firstly the tribes adopted Islam they did not mixed with Arabs. In Fact it was fulani Jihad that converted alot of African tribes way before the slave trade. Fulani's are not mixed, some are but the vast majority are not. The slave trade happened because certain tribes wanted weapons to defeat other tribes. So they raided other tribes, to gain military strength. the Akan people raided tribes as well as other tribes raiding others. It was for power.
rpgking1989 2 years ago
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jafalib 2 years ago
What does suuuut means?
rpgking1989 2 years ago
@rpgking1989 Don't be silly there were wars long before the slave trade and they didn't need to depopulate surrounding countries.
Africans were forced into the slave trade because of economic manipulation
markellion 2 years ago
Listen white boy. when did I say Africans didn't war before the slave trade??? I said we sold each other for better weapons to conquer and war against one another. of course we were forced into the slavery. no one never said that we weren't.
rpgking1989 2 years ago
@rpgking1989
Watch "Role of guns in the slave trade reconsidered"
What I meant was if it was just about weapons the slave trade wouldn't have been that big because the Africans would still prefer their own weapons
markellion 2 years ago
Guns wasn't the reason. the reason was for power and control over other Africans. Just look at the roman and Mongol empires. They were so large because of their lust for control and power. Same thing was going on in Africa.
rpgking1989 2 years ago
@rpgking1989 I wasn't talking about the reason I was talking about how they were able to operate the slave trade. They did so by economic manipulation
markellion 2 years ago
This is from John Newton
"I verily believe, that the far greater part of the wars, in Africa, would cease, if the Europeans would cease to tempt them, by offering goods for slaves....
if many of these wars are kindled by the incentive of selling their prisoners ; what an annual accumulation of blood must there be, crying against the nations of Europe concerned in this trade, and particularly against our own!"
"our own" meaning Brittan
markellion 2 years ago
What John Newton's quote shows is that it was more about economic manipulation
However firearms were still very important
markellion 2 years ago
@rpgking1989
Also please watch "The Myth of the Sultans in the Western Indian Ocean"
Brittan was behind the East African slave trade too. The Indians that financed it were British subjects, everyone involved in that slave trade was in someway subordinate or in debt to Brittan
markellion 2 years ago
@ markellion
No doubt the British had a hand in the East African slave trade but this was well established by the Arabs back in the 9th century. Considering this reached its climax in the 19th century the Omani arabs were the ones selling for profit to european colonies not out of debt to the British. Clove Plantations in Tanzania were owned and run exclusively by arabs using black slaves look up Saleh bin Haramil. British abolished slavery in 1833 and didn't take Tanzania until 1890.
robhiengler 2 years ago
@robhiengler Please watch my video
"The Myth of the Sultans in the Western Indian Ocean"
markellion 2 years ago
@ markellion
Again Markellion your video itself actually supports the notion that Sultan Said was involved in slavery and that the British in 1812 after the Slavery Trade Act 1807 which prohibited slave trading in the British Empire tried to limit his (Sultan's) actions. Again all you've proven is you don't know your own material please stop spamming this board with "go see this video" answers.
robhiengler 2 years ago
robhiengler May I permission to copy this video and post it up on my site?
kadashkushaiah7 2 years ago
No permission needed as I'm not the original author and she's (Afrochoc) is no longer on youtube. Feel free to put in on your site provided you don't alter the material.
robhiengler 2 years ago
Thawada(Thank you).
yea,afrochoc used to be YT friend of mines. I miss her
kadashkushaiah7 2 years ago
Actually the video showed how slaves continued to be sold to Christians, how the "sultan" was a puppet of the British, and how Indian British subjects were financing the whole thing
markellion 2 years ago
@markellion
Actually your video claims the British Government pressured the Sultan to STOP selling slaves in YOUR OWN WORDS. Check your dates as well; tell me what bills were passed in 1807,1833 and 1845. I wouldn't also be blaming the Indians as actually it was "East India Company" Territories were exempt not India itself, that still made export of slavery illegal from Africa. Sultan Said was motivated by profit and not because he was a puppet - so stop trying to excuse his OWN actions.
robhiengler 2 years ago
What makes you think this "Sultan" even had any power to do anything?
markellion 2 years ago
What makes you think he didn't? All you offered is a hearsay quote from an unamed sailor which is more opinion than fact. In fact you have offered very little that is historically relevant or of substance.
robhiengler 2 years ago
The descriptions box is limited but this is confirmed by Livingston and Frere that the people involved were all in debt to Indian subjects of the British. The quote and source see descriptions box of this video:
"Forces more powerful than religion - The African slave trade"
markellion 2 years ago
What it confirms is Livingston "believed" that the Arabs were all too happy to find and sell the slaves (which was my point in the first place) but LACKED the capital for a large scale trafficking operation to india which would have been financed by the Banians . In no sense were the arabs indebted to the Indians; they didn't owe them any money: that idea my simple minded friend you have just pulled from betwixt your ass cheeks. Again you're twisting facts to suit your agenda.
robhiengler 2 years ago
Very interesting, Rob, extremely informative, very well done. As a teacher, I give you an "A" on this presentation. Thank you.
Amalgamaite 2 years ago
were the true israelites of the bible not originating from africa however israel. get it straight the dmn africans(hamites) captured and sold us into slavery
truword64 2 years ago
Q2:177 Righteousness is not turning your faces towards the east or the west. Righteous are those who believe in GOD, the Last Day, the angels, the scripture, and the prophets; and they give the money, cheerfully, to the relatives, the orphans, the needy, the traveling alien, the beggars, and to free the slaves; and they observe the Contact Prayers. Q2:178 Anyone who transgresses beyond this incurs a painful retribution.YOU TAKE ONLY PARTS THAT PROVE WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT ISLAM NOT WHAT IS TRUE!
bilqiys1 2 years ago
No where in the Quran where it says it is ok to have a Slave, that is the truth!
bilqiys1 2 years ago
Tell that to your good Muslim pals in Sudan
MongoloidBabyUSA 2 years ago 2
I don't have Pals in Sudan! Especially those who participate in killing their own people. It's sad that you are blind to what is actually going on in the world, Man on this planet is a disease to themselves. Go ahead and keep floating on cloud nine, Christian, Jews, Muslims, atheist, woman and Man, All people are killing each other, It is in the nature of Man, So keep being foolish and close your eyes to the truth.
bilqiys1 2 years ago
Actually it does:
"33:50 O Prophet! Lo! We have made lawful unto thee thy wives unto whom thou hast paid their dowries, and those whom thy right hand possesseth of those whom Allah hath given thee as spoils of war,"
not to mention 4:23, 4:24
The Quran doesn't abolish or admonish slavery either; I agree it does say to treat your slaves well; free/marry those who are believers - but IMO this is a method of recruiting people to islam. 4:92, 2:221, 4:32-33 etc. etc.
robhiengler 2 years ago
In order to understand the passage you must read the whole thing, These passages are suggested for giving different solutions for freedom to the slaves or even those fleeing from there husbands or masters. Some people of those times were not willing to let go of slaves, The Quran does not Abolish Slavery, Man has to be willing to do so. The Quran however speaks Against it and warns those who do not free the slaves of their judgment.
bilqiys1 2 years ago
christopher columbus never stepped FOOT in the USA, he landed in hisponlia what is called today haiti/dominican republic.
only 4% of the so called africans came to the United States, I don't know why you assholes try to make so called african americans the poster child for this ordile.
SavageBarbarians 2 years ago
Islam does not condone slavery rather it encourages freeing slaves, however humans, lazy low life humans who don't want to work hard use slaves to their advantage. Slavery is not a religious institution but humans will use religion to justify it and to oppress. This video point out groups and other religions that are so called responsible for slavery, but a wise person would be able to identify that humans are responsible for slavery not one particular group or religion.
bilqiys1 2 years ago
Forget about healing and forgiveness and being good to one another, we still like to point fingers and promote hate and racism, not progress for the better of human beings. We know the past, what are we doing to make things better? Talking about the negative and only the negative does not promote peace it only promotes hate and ignorance.
bilqiys1 2 years ago
If you think you know too much...why don't you put up your own video about slavery.....
Ehisa20 2 years ago
the video that this is in response to is with a man that does not want you to know the truth. After I placed passages in the Koran which outwardly allows slave trading to refute what he said, the miserable coward had me blocked. Again you know the truth.
dantej32 2 years ago
Not all christians want to hide the facts of slavery.Many like my self see it as a sin tored almighty God,and those who are inslaved.Some christians chews to egnor it,but not all.
qweensarah 2 years ago
Beautiful, informative video, thank u!
rdawta 2 years ago
beautiful video
PrinceNoirAmericain 2 years ago
This is an EXCELLENT video. Many would love to deny that a certain population did not partake in slave trading. I knew most of the info given in the video and it is very accurate. The muslims would capture sub saharan blacks and then traded with jews who owned the ships, hired the crews, provided weapons and chains and insured the boats and the human cargo.
dantej32 3 years ago
I believe the name of the movie was SANKOFA. For those of you who have not seen it is a must see. Its nore than ten years old but with a little bit of research you should be able to locate it.
dclark98 3 years ago
excellent video! :) i have looked in numerous books and internet articles and i have found very similar information african history is indeed rich i hope to travel to west africa for cultural reasons and learned the all the language there very exciting! :)
violetsareblue14 3 years ago
gloryus84 thanks for your comments, please read the info section; the video was made by afrochoc so any comments concerning factual accuracy should be made to her; but yes taken on board - thanks again!
robhiengler 3 years ago
I think the sender of this clip does'nt have historical facts.
Now where Jihadist attack nation for gaining slaves. I know you can agree with me that there had been a trade relation between the Arab and Africans. Can you notify our relationship with westerns of that time, it is through wars.
SYAliero 3 years ago
First of all read the info section; is that really too hard. Secondly the trans-saharan slave trade is well documented, if you can't be bothered to do your some research. Thirdly look up the Barbary wars; islam never taking slaves???? - you are clearly one delusional individual, lets not even get into the fact that "prophet" muhammad piss be upon him regularly took women as slaves though violence as recorded in the hadiths and even the Quran i.e. 33:50, 23:5, 70:30, 24:34, 4:24 ad nauseum!
robhiengler 3 years ago
THANX FOR THIS VID!
vixxy02 3 years ago
yes thank you, its sad, but its not black and white, it good and evil, rich and poor, but i actually seen a video on an african prince that was captured and was put to work on the field, ran, then came back because he realized there was no hope, he didn't speak the language and he stood out like a thumb in white society. anyone have the title of this movie?
pglove69 3 years ago
Thanks for taking the initiative to repost this video. It's important to have an objective presentation of this subject, when so much misinformation and misrepresentation is out there. Well done!
sicsempertyrannis12 3 years ago