As a former trombonist, I object to not mentioning Honore Dutrey as the trombone player. - Seriously: I think no jazz historian in his right mind coud deny the importance of this band and of Oliver himself. Beside to Armstrong's brilliant, glamouros style and Beiderbecke's balladesque lyrical style, Oliver's bluesy, earthbound way of playing (often sounding as if he was hitting the notes a bit too low) was a significant inspiration of many later trumpeters.
@ziggykelly YES I AGREE,THERE'S ALWAYS ONE OR MAYBE TWO,BUT I SUPPOSE IT WOULDN'T DO FOR US ALL TO LIKE THE SAME MUSIC.BUT TO ME ITS BRILLIANT N.O. JAZZ.
@TorontoEd7 there is a book out there, "Jazz a History of Americas Music" by Ken Burns, covers son part of the history before this, and of course to way after!
I'm reading a very old book that has several of his final letters to family and friends in it. Joe was a genuinely kind and generous man, yet his career ended in a hurry in his later years. Most people forgot his name and his influence on Louis, and he died in poverty, alone, stranded in Savannah, Georgia. His story gives me the Sobbin' Blues.
There is a certain energy to this music unlike any other. It is called " sobbing blues", but I feel like they are just about to get on their feet again, and keep on living. The musicians play together in such an awesome, natural way! Thank you for posting this.
If you wanted to call it that, you could, but it wouldn't probably be what most jazz musicians would think of if you said combo. For me, this is some of my favorite stuff!! I only wish more musicians could be into the early records like I am, then they would see how powerful jazz really is!!! As old as these records sound, they are miles ahead of most "progressive" sounding records, at least for me, because they don't have to TRY to be groundbreaking, they just ARE!!!
Wonderful!! An interesting fact: Maurice Ravel was a huge fan of jazz, and the clarinet playing of Johnny Dodds in particular, and incorporated Dodds' style into some of his pieces.
Great !! They were such brilliant musicians, but the clarinet playing of Johnny Dodds is beyond description. I know it is subjective, but I think he was THE best.
I think their place in jazz history is pretty secure. They were a great band and while Joe Oliver isn't a household name he will forever be linked to Louis Armstrong who played second cornet in the band. And the recent re-issue of all the King Oliver band sides by Archeophone on CD will ensure that these sounds keep on being heard.
@GS336 I don'agree ... they usually are correctly regarded as one of the most important band in jazz history ! I wouldn't say the band is underrated :)
@jmatthewgallant Beethoven too died poor, and Schubert or Charlie Parker ... are these musicians underrated??? I think not - there is a lot of people that still listens this music and talk about it. joe Oliver is considered a master in jazz history and this band as great as hot five or Parker's quintet or Ornette's early quartet.
@jmatthewgallant people may speak of Beethoven but the other greats in classical music are often lost, at least in name. But their legacy lives on through the stretches they made in music, not in their supposed popularity. It could easily be said Jazz wouldn't be if it wasn't for King Oliver. Hell, Armstrong may have not ever left New Orleans if it wasn't for him.
Muchas gracias por compartirlo.
sirjuandabicho 1 month ago
Beautiful and heartbreaking-
thx
ragtimemarkbirnbaum 8 months ago
As a former trombonist, I object to not mentioning Honore Dutrey as the trombone player. - Seriously: I think no jazz historian in his right mind coud deny the importance of this band and of Oliver himself. Beside to Armstrong's brilliant, glamouros style and Beiderbecke's balladesque lyrical style, Oliver's bluesy, earthbound way of playing (often sounding as if he was hitting the notes a bit too low) was a significant inspiration of many later trumpeters.
ErnieHollerhagen 8 months ago
I like so much.!
GinnaPaolaM 8 months ago
its actually armstrong on the slide whistle.. Read the Baby Dodds story and he tells you all about it
jmatthewgallant 10 months ago
Which two people, devoid of any soul or wisdom, disliked this beautiful music?
ziggykelly 11 months ago
@ziggykelly i don't know but i'm pretty sure they know each other
Nerudah 11 months ago
@ziggykelly YES I AGREE,THERE'S ALWAYS ONE OR MAYBE TWO,BUT I SUPPOSE IT WOULDN'T DO FOR US ALL TO LIKE THE SAME MUSIC.BUT TO ME ITS BRILLIANT N.O. JAZZ.
drjazzisme 8 months ago
whew.... wow.... that was a delightful experience
BluRondoAlaTurk 1 year ago
soon a slide whistle will be very famous! u will hear:)
rybonukleinoza 1 year ago
slide whistle ftw
jtwizzle5 1 year ago
OMG is that a slide whistle!??
z0rrito 1 year ago
Sounds like background music to a Charlie Chaplin early movie!
harsishava 1 year ago
To me they created jazz music. Do you know what group was before them, if any?
TorontoEd7 1 year ago
@TorontoEd7 I believe the New Orealns Rhythm Kings where one
gregaxx81 1 year ago
@TorontoEd7 there is a book out there, "Jazz a History of Americas Music" by Ken Burns, covers son part of the history before this, and of course to way after!
JACSjazz 11 months ago
@JACSjazz Thanks Jacs. I will try to find it!
TorontoEd7 11 months ago
Love Pops' slide whistle solo.
profhoneycat 1 year ago
awsome - I like them
passa179 1 year ago
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Hey, you cut out the string players in the picture.
mastashaker916 1 year ago
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mastashaker916 1 year ago
To me, King Oliver's Creole Jazz Band represent the perfect traditional jazz sound/
TheUnbreakableOtaku 1 year ago 2
I love this picture of them.
(Also it's on the cover of Dope & Glory, which is an awesome album.)
cholocharile 1 year ago
I'm doing a report on him and school and he is probably one of the most interesting men i have ever researched.
hullaballooify 1 year ago 2
@hullaballooify
I'm reading a very old book that has several of his final letters to family and friends in it. Joe was a genuinely kind and generous man, yet his career ended in a hurry in his later years. Most people forgot his name and his influence on Louis, and he died in poverty, alone, stranded in Savannah, Georgia. His story gives me the Sobbin' Blues.
DrummerAmericain 1 year ago
I so lucky to take this jazz course. I always liked jazz but I am learning more about jazz and music
laddybug3 2 years ago
sounds hawwiian
worlord12136 2 years ago
Could anyone direct me to a source of sheet music for King Oliver, Bunk Johnson, Jelly Roll Morton, etc.?
teraheht 2 years ago
A king & a master piece of all musicians.
Without his kind of way, what's blues is ???
peredhur 2 years ago
amazing piece of americana
silverbaal 2 years ago
erwigaudio, you have performed a public service by posting these historic recordings.
Julian9ehp 2 years ago
Just beautiful music
sonicvilleras 2 years ago
cool
MrDylanJG 2 years ago
Very nice!!
alexanderlinden 2 years ago 2
There is a certain energy to this music unlike any other. It is called " sobbing blues", but I feel like they are just about to get on their feet again, and keep on living. The musicians play together in such an awesome, natural way! Thank you for posting this.
999road 2 years ago 6
I just wanted to know...would this be considered combo jazz? Thanks if you know the answer
gmosley609 2 years ago
If you wanted to call it that, you could, but it wouldn't probably be what most jazz musicians would think of if you said combo. For me, this is some of my favorite stuff!! I only wish more musicians could be into the early records like I am, then they would see how powerful jazz really is!!! As old as these records sound, they are miles ahead of most "progressive" sounding records, at least for me, because they don't have to TRY to be groundbreaking, they just ARE!!!
ToddCMorgan 2 years ago
Wonderful!! An interesting fact: Maurice Ravel was a huge fan of jazz, and the clarinet playing of Johnny Dodds in particular, and incorporated Dodds' style into some of his pieces.
nicodagger 2 years ago 6
I thought Armstrong played the slide in this one.
hoopdancer01 3 years ago
Yes, Louis played the slide whistle, according to michaelminn:
Oliver, Joe "King" (Cornet, Leader)
Armstrong, Louis (Cornet, Slide Whistle)
Dutrey, Honore (Trombone)
Dodds, Johnny (Clarinet)
Hardin, Lil (Piano, Arranger)
Scott, Bud (Banjo)
Dodds, Baby (Drums)
The tune was written by Arthur Kassell and Victor Burton, and the arrangement was by Lil Hardin (piano, Armstrong's wife).
fillra 2 years ago 5
excellent...bravo
ERICROBILLARD1 3 years ago 4
Excellent!
Oliver was so limber in his composition. Like the swaying of grass in the wind.
northwoods47 3 years ago 6
Great !! They were such brilliant musicians, but the clarinet playing of Johnny Dodds is beyond description. I know it is subjective, but I think he was THE best.
Thanks for sharing this gem.
Corrie121 3 years ago 8
I think their place in jazz history is pretty secure. They were a great band and while Joe Oliver isn't a household name he will forever be linked to Louis Armstrong who played second cornet in the band. And the recent re-issue of all the King Oliver band sides by Archeophone on CD will ensure that these sounds keep on being heard.
Grouchy2day 3 years ago 15
Very underated for such a great band
GS336 3 years ago 11
@GS336 I don'agree ... they usually are correctly regarded as one of the most important band in jazz history ! I wouldn't say the band is underrated :)
yourockets3 11 months ago
@yourockets3
ya is that why king Oliver died in povery? how many people play this stuff now a days, or talk about it??
jmatthewgallant 10 months ago
@jmatthewgallant Beethoven too died poor, and Schubert or Charlie Parker ... are these musicians underrated??? I think not - there is a lot of people that still listens this music and talk about it. joe Oliver is considered a master in jazz history and this band as great as hot five or Parker's quintet or Ornette's early quartet.
yourockets3 10 months ago
@jmatthewgallant people may speak of Beethoven but the other greats in classical music are often lost, at least in name. But their legacy lives on through the stretches they made in music, not in their supposed popularity. It could easily be said Jazz wouldn't be if it wasn't for King Oliver. Hell, Armstrong may have not ever left New Orleans if it wasn't for him.
HerrBrewer 10 months ago