Tired of the Hitler remarks. No, just because the majority of Germans didn't oppose the holocaust doesn't mean that their standpoint on morality was right, because -other- people got killed and hurt due to that, which just strengthens Dan Barker's argument: the base of morality is to not cause harm. If you cause harm to other people, you are immoral. Simple as that.
“There may be fairies at the bottom of the garden. There is no evidence for it, but you can't prove that there aren't any, so shouldn't we be agnostic with respect to fairies?”
“Many of us saw religion as harmless nonsense. Beliefs might lack all supporting evidence but, we thought, if people needed a crutch for consolation, where's the harm? September 11th changed all that.”
@Spined1234, you are a really sick human being if you think any human being deserves eternal torture for what they think! And you seem to revel in the thought too, which is just your way to make yourself feel superior. Your statement embodies what I hate most about theists. You disguise your hatred with piety.
Great job by Barker, and epic FAIL by the theist. All he does is keep making the assertion that God is absolute and limitless. You cannot assert something into existence.
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this debate has increased my contempt for dogma for what it does to nice humans. this muslim guy needs to be told that that just by raising your voice doesn't make you right; his "arguments" totally messed up.
So the atheist would rather go through agonizing pain through all eternity than to obey God? Well I guess he can't complain if God does throw him into Hell.
I'm sure he'll have wonderful conversations with his skin being roasted over and over again.
i love how hypocritical he is when he accuses rajab ali of "attacking" him, when he is the one attacking all the time.. and how rajab ali just laughs at his ignorance, 33:59
"Still, I have to conclude that Rajabali won the debate, if we assess it on its technical merits. Though Rajabali did slip away from a few unanswered points, Barker failed to adequately rebut Rajabali’s two principal arguments, and since that was necessary to meet the burden of disproving the existence of God, God was not disproved that day. But we all learned a lot." - Richard Carrier, fellow Atheist, in his review of the debate...
@truebeliever786 I think I would be better for the world to be without religion because it would teach humanity not to accept preposition without proof, it would help humanity think better and more clearly.
@AverhoffAlexander It wouldn't help humanity at all, humanity would still continue in their crimes. Atheism didn't stop Stalin, Mao Zi Dong and others from murdering millions... Its not lack of religion which helps the world, what would help the world is to raise children in a nice peaceful manner and teach them to be good, kind and generous regardless of religion...
@truebeliever786 What you say its true however but it doesn't disproof what I said, I think you are refuting a different argument. One that you may have heard from another person. If you really stop and read what I wrote you would see that you are not responding to what I wrote.
Again the world would be better without the indoctrination of religions because it would teach men to think better, I never said that religion is the factory of psychopaths in this world,
@AverhoffAlexander Well it won't make them think better at all, it'll just make them self centred and make them think about themselves and no one else...
@truebeliever786 Your argument contradicts itself, because a men that thinks better cares about other for a simple reason, It helps the species survive.
@AverhoffAlexander Why would man care about keeping the species alive? That's how animals think, men don't...
Man needs guidance, righteousness and morals in a proper and befitting manner and religion, when taught properly, gives that... Otherwise, they believe they have the right to do as they please... Why should we keep alive if we'll end up as nothing anyway and not exist and just finish eventually, everyone of us? Doesn't make any sense...
@truebeliever786 This debates about religions are so funny, the mere existence of the debate is a proof that the is no proof for the god existence. That's why you have to debate it.
@AverhoffAlexander Not really, just because God doesn't reveal himself doesn't mean he isn't there. Our very existence and design is the proof of an Absolute Creator, who must exist in such a way that none can exist without Him and He has no beginning or end... That's how I see it... Existence and Life can never be explained, what gives Life and consciousness? I think its God, there's no other answer I think.
@truebeliever786 What you say its true however it doesn't disproof what I said, I think you are refuting a different argument. One that you may have heard from another person. If you really stop and read what I wrote you would see that you are not responding to what I wrote.
Again the world would be better without the indoctrination of religions because it would teach men to think better, I never said that religion is the factory of psychopaths in this world,
Religion has no negative effect on man, its man who uses religion to justify his own negative effects. Man has greed, lust for power, urge to sin and all these weaknesses which will remain even if religion goes. In fact its religion which does at times prevent many men from giving in to crime and other things.
Kafar Fk you for making fun of other peoples religion. Who the Fk do you think you are? Making fun of other peoples beliefs make you feel better? Your a sad kid and your mum fails to educate you to be a moral person. So piss ass you fking prick.
"You are either an atheist or a theist on a subject"
IMO ur Wrong. My position depends entirely on how God is defined. If it's defined in a way that can't be verified by our senses, we must remain agnostic because by definition, we can never know of or about it. Agnostic is a position held when a thing can't be known.
It's just a game of semantics, and I use this nuanced tactic for the DEEPAKS of the world who try to use scientific words but really don't say or mean a fucking thing. That's all.
@K11IKB First of all, I'm not an atheist but just because there is no God doesn't necessarily mean there is no moral code, rather, moral principles. Atheists rely on virtue, what you define to be good may be bad in other cases, what you may define to be bad may be good simultaneously. In the case of freeing slaves, it's a rather a conception on how we as individuals perceive it. While some countries in this world accept slavery, an individual may not varying on their personal cases.
@superhamzah85 slavery is still present today. The UN practices it the most. The UN is a puppet of the US and in the US the boss/owner is the master while the worker is the slave. Islam teaches strongly against slavery.
@superhamzah85 DRY. the quran promotes slavery NOWHERE in the quran lmao..and in arabia the slavery that was practiced was completely different. a "slave" could hold high ranking positions in the government and society..it is apparent that you have not done any research on this matter and are just spitting whatever you read/saw somewhere.
@superhamzah85 we have? hamza u seem to have a complex, if ur of arab/middleastern descent your beloved UN will lock you up, strip you of your rights and approve the destruction of your motherlands. STFU. go suck some white racist dick.
to be honest, as sad as this athiest was to see the light, i do give im props for having the more stronger arguments. i say this becuase the islamic debater wasnt able to satisfactorly provide answers to the points the athiest was bringing. and to a non believer this video would seem like a total win from the Athiests Stand point.
my point here is as brilliant as the Muslim was (mashahalah) he was NOT properly equipped for this Harami Kafir Ki Aulad penchod.
Hassanain likes to use the exam analogy, so I will use it too.
Here we have a teacher (God) who has whispered in the ear of one of his students (prophet) the entire course. The student wrote down the course in a language that most other students don't even understand. This unusable text book for most students have been passed down among several batch of new students and now there is absolutely no way to verify the original content or the examination date.
So the guy's whole point was morality and that atheists hate religion. With Dan's responses, it should have been clear about morality's limitations and atheists do not want no religion, just that it isn' t imposed on others who do not believe in that god as truth.
Love can be measured ? ok , give me a number, or a chemical or physical equation.
one thing that all atheists fail to understand is that god is not bound by time or space because he created them. when you really understand this concept i mean really then you can debate with a muslim. All scientific evidence point to intelligent design, but they dismiss it from any logical reasoning, so what's the point debating with an atheist if he refuses the most logical and physical evidence ?
This ignorant Muslim doesn't answer half the questions, delves deeper into utter bull and expects to win? He doesn't even answer a really important question, 'won't god treat all equally good men equally', bloody prick, no wonder fully religious people are uptight about themselves, they care more about an imaginary being than the progression of the human race.
According to the theists God gives free will to believe or not to believe, but if you choose not to believe you are condemned. That is like a robber pointing a gun at you and giving you the option to give him your wallet or not to give him your wallet but if you choose not to give him your wallet he will shoot you.
@AmmoBravo Very bad example you put there, God gave you everything and you refuse to believe in him, he did not ask you to give him your kidney or your eyes even if he gave them to you. only believe and follow the religion he gave humanity for their own good, because if they don't follow it there will be great corruption on earth from their actions, just how many people died and suffered from world's wars ? without rules there is only chaos. and human rules have flaws.
@elsarih777 Morality (rules) in society doesn't come from religion. The human being is a social being. We need other humans to coexist with us to be healthy. In other words morality doesn't come from a book but it comes from human instinct that tells us that in order to keep people around you, you can't kill them or hurt them... You have to help them. And to give you a tip about WW2... Hitler was a Roman Catholic who believed in the purity of race, not an atheist.
I am morally superior to your god, Muslims (and all gods I have ever known of). I'm sorry it is so. I wish your holy book was better. But, since it isn't, I hope you will come to see that it provides no moral framework for anything positive. I appreciate this debate. Thanks for posting it.
@superhamzah85 There were many times where the Prophet tried to abolish slavery by wanting to show people that black people were their equals. For example, umme Ayman (a black woman) was like a second mother to him and he respected her greatly, Bilal (a black man)was the first ever to recite the call to prayer (which was one of the most prestigious event in Islam), one of the rulings in Islam in recompense for missing an Islamic action was to free a slave, in a time where slavery was abundant.
@superhamzah85 "Let the dearest of your treasuries be the treasury of righteous action... Infuse your heart with mercy, love and kindness for your subjects. Be not in the face of them a voracious animal, counting them as easy prey, for they are of two kinds: either they are your brothers in religion or your equals in creation." - Imam Ali, cousin of the Prophet, and successor (Quoted by Kofi Anan, the General Secretary of Human Rights, on the 50th anniversary of the Declaration of Human Rights)
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Anyone on here who claims that the declaration of human rights or any documents in the UN are the product of any religious texts or beliefs really needs to check their history books. The Western Enlightenment is what primarily influenced these documents, much like many other Western nations and their laws. Separation of Church and State is very much an Enlightenment inspired principle, caused by observation of the negative impact/weakness of centralized governments, kingship, and theocracies.
Does god exist or not exist? is a meaningless question. In order to proceed with a rational discussion, one must first provide a coherent definition of what is meant by 'god'. If that definition is unfalsifiable, then there can be a meaningful discussion. We can then proceed with the next question, does god exist or not exist?
Sadly, many people skips the first step and directly goes on to the second step. That's why theists and atheists usually end up having an endless circular discussion.
@12InchesUnBuffed <--- everything this guy wrote (at least so far) is solid. If you're reading this, you should be reading his / her comment. I would just like to add that to pose the question "does god *not* exist?" is even more meaningless than asking "does god exist" without having defined god. The later question requires elaboration, but the former is only asked by one who has no understanding of the laws of logic.
@AR333 Thanks AR333. I wanted to say more, however 500 characters max aren't enough to vent out all the things I wanted to say. I wish I can have a rational discussion with both atheists and theists.
@2eelShmeal """2. If its a personal God, I'm an atheist
3. If it's an outside-space-and-time-deepak-chopra-the-universe-is-love God, I'm agnostic.. lol"""
Atheist and agnostic isnt two different positions. Atheist= Dont believe. Agnostic= Dont know. You are either an atheist or a theist on a subject. And you are always agnostic or gnostic towards something.
@12InchesUnBuffed But they addressed that question in the beginning of the video (1/3). Just because the title says "Does God Not Exist?" does not directly mean they skipped to the second question, it just means they're getting to the main point. No one is going to a lecture or watch a video that says "What is God?" or "What is meant by the word "God"?
@X3sAiiDaDaB0MBx3 They did not skip to the 2nd question but just getting to the main point? ... Not sure what you mean there? How do you get to the main point without answering the first question? I'm confused now.
"No one is going to a lecture ..."
-No one? How do you know? Do you mean everyone in the world will never watch a video about this? Or do you mean "You yourself won't therefore, no one else should?" Cuz u know, I sure damn would.
@12InchesUnBuffed "No one" is a cliche for most people wouldn't. Maybe you would, but that's much beside the point. I meant on part 1 of 3, the debaters defined what God is. If the argument is on the existence of God, then it is expected God is already defined, which is what I was trying to get across- thus I meant "getting to the main point".
@12InchesUnBuffed so what is a coherent definition of "god"? wouldnt be... god is absolute? he doesnt exits without a place, has no partner and was not born, for if he was, that doesnt make him god.. am i correct? we cant shapeshift our own god in our own minds bcuz that would be meaningless? and to say, why isnt god stoping all the evil things? why doesnt he come down from his throne, to earth and help us, i want to see this god.. would that not make him a vulnerable being?
@Musclekay I do not know the answer to those questions. I am deeply sorry. I am an agnostic myself. A coherent definition of god, I do not know... I do not know whether god exists or not or what even god would look like. To me, what's most important is not whether god exists or not but rather for humanity to get along with each other and understand one another, rather than have disputes based on an individual's faith or differences in beliefs.
@l3g10nw Um you're not an animal or an insect, so I don't really know how you would judge that, in addition that's an incomplete, invalid, and a weak argument. So basically, what you're trying to say is, you judge on the so-called "perception" made by an animal, insect, and a plant on how they perceive God (which you also cannot provide evidence for) and assume it's correct? lol fail.
god is a myth. It's already in the 3rd Millenium , that's 100% obvious, unless you are born with a dysfunctional brainwashed brain. The ape-brain of Believers deserve my mockery.
@superhamzah85 Your statements are neither logically sound nor are they factually. First of all, when you say 'slave' you must put the word in its proper context because it's the same lexicon as reformed and described by Islamic Law. For instanceslavery has no racial component in Islamic Law. Also, the modern day conception of slavery in the 20th Century HAS been banned and arbitrated tobe un-islamic, that is against the teachings of the Qura'n--thus banned by the Qura'n. Don't be anachronistic
Religion is a hard to be affirmative when debating on since all the evidence is against it and supports the negative speaker (dan). It's a lot harder to think and debate abstractly and out of pure faith then think and debate logically and provide evidence through truth and reason. Much the reason why the Atheist point of view in this debate and many debates is so strong. I give props to the religious debater (not gonna attempt his name :) ) debated well considering the evidence is against him
"How does a relative universe come into existence by itself? Whatever that answer you give me, has to be god". Well there ya go folks, blinkered religious tripe. Lets take the easy route and say god did it cos we just aint got the brain power to understand anything else.
moral ethics come from the 'want' to survive you fucking fool... seen in pretty much EVERY animal species walking, crawling, swimming, flying, slithering about the planet...
Science & New Science & New Thinking & New Possablitys Dont Limit The Mind of Possability. but the God Thing Limitss the Mind, Not knowning How the Trick is Done still dose not make it Magic or God, when people dont understand, They just Call it God and they stick with the Simple Answer, so God Keeps the Child like Mind Believing in santa claus, God Limits Thinking,
No...it did not, the Islamic world was the last place to abolish slavery, in Arabia, the birth place of Islam, slavery was abolished in the 60s....When the Beatles were practising their numbers, black people were slaves in Arabia.
Tell me one hadeeth or Qur'anic verse that says "Slavery is haram"
my favourite was how he claimed, it would be a bad thing if, let's say in a country, people (kinda) vote for their "moral rules". (the 51 out of 100 people)
... i mean terrible outcomes would be possible!
like giving women equal rights for example,.. or to never let it come that far..
@ppdrum If you examine the Quran and hadith, that is not true. That "death"sentence to apostates was set for certain hypocrites and spies in the time of the prophet, that claimed to be muslims, and intervened for their advantage to attack the muslims. That's who and why. It is wrong that some schools of thought or fanatic systems take it literally without refering to the history.
@ppdrum I mean they would act as muslims in groups, then anounce leaving it, and it was discovered that it was a plot by the enemy, in order to try and lure the muslims and divide them.
If a woman goes about alone and without the head-to-toe potato sack, Muslim men claim she's 'asking to be raped'. Only disgusting less-than-human savages behave so.
Even if she went about 100% UNCLOTHED, nobody who claims to be moral has the right to touch her without her permission.
While atheist could have done better on some points, theist made baseless assertion after assertion. His ranting at times against straw men and the crazy 'unmoved mover' line appealed to ignorance.
Most fundies reject evolution, which is proved over and over. Not only are we descended from animals, we are animals that can alter our instinctive behaviors to promote social harmony.
lmao, the UN? Seriously man, you need to do your homework. I am not a Muslim, however the Theist here won the debate as they often seem to do... I question your knowledge on religion and how its been used/exploited in the past. I don't want to come off as talking down to you, but when you take things from the UN and try to tell me that they are morally superior to anything I find it laughable. You are ignorant now, but that can be fixed...Peace.
How did the theist win? He didn't give any evidence for his claim at all, and the only one who used strawman arguments and ad hominem attacks.
Read the UN Declaration of Human Rights, seriously, go and read it. Then come back and tell me which religion matches it, the UN as an organization is not what I'm debating, I'm talking about modern freedom and ethics as a principle to be aspired to, read the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, then tell me a religion that matches it. Good luck.
@harmonicamajor and since the failure is a "fantastic one," much stronger evidence should be available with much more ease for such a "fantastic" phenomenon, yet you dont present one.
Also you behold that "only after secularization did our concept of human rights ... took full effect." Really? What about the human rights violation in Guantanamo bay? I do not see any "effect taking place." If full effect had taken place in secular countries, I'd expect secular countries to be free of violence.
@harmonicamajor and you have made an assumption that slavery has been abolished, since secularization. Oh really? How do you define slavery? I do not see that slavery has been abolished at all in developed secular countries. Violent slavery, as practiced by whites on blacks, has been replaced with material and capitalistic slavery. Humans have been forced to participate in capitalistic markets if they are to survive by earning! If you do not think this is bondage, you need medical evaluation.
@harmonicamajor Ok, and I'm not defending Barker. This started off a reply to a comment that said that all atheists are hate/fear god, and choose not to believe so that we can just do whatever we want without a guilty conscience. Barker and I are two different people, even though we might share a few similar beliefs.
@tamu77095 idk where your getting ur info on islam but if you want a quran i can point yu in where to get a quran for free no charge... islam derives from the root word salam meaning peace islam is obtaining peace through the submission of one god Allah... if you read quran plenty of science in it before western scientist had instruments to observe and their studies have only proved the quran right... so what point are you trying to make brother? as for murder it is considered non-muslim to kill
@AR333 actually many muslims know the bible better than a christian and thats good for you but what do you know of islamic history?... if u read a history book from UK it wuld say america did wrong to Britain but in US history books says we were oppressed and took control for the better of the people... so just going off of history is bias and incorrect approach brother/sister
Wow!! MashAllah Br.Hasanain Rajabali, you are AMAziNG mashAllah!! Dan Barker better find stronger arguments because his arguments were like a wall filled with termites, unstable and empty within.
its funny how don barker says he only read SOME of the quran... okay how can you debate against an ideology a religion if you havent even read the base scripture for the religion... the quran is without contradictions... you read a few pages but you havent read the rest of the answers to your questions
@giofig40 Well let's be objective shall we not? Muslims reject christianity, did they all read ALL of the bible? No, they would say that since they read the quran, and are convinced of its truth, they don't have to. But this goes both ways: christians would say the same.
Furthermore, one doesn't exactly need to read the scripture to consider it false. I mean take mormonism, I don't have to read the book of mormon, I just have to know history, to know that its claims are false.
@giofig40 how can Rajabali argue from a stand point of science having studied only SOME science. I haven't done extensive research but I doubt he's a renowned biologist, geneticist, chemist, cosmologist, and an astrophysicist. Quran teaches to hunt the infidel does it not? That's REAL humanitarian-like. Expect to be called on bullshit. I mean what is your argument because religious scripture of the islamic faith is responsible for bigotry,murder,mass-murder, etc. The bad outweighs the good sir
Dan Barker looks angry, why so angry Mr Atheist? He keeps attacking "God" and feeling angry at something done to him by God. I think most Atheist are angry people who lost hope in God along the way after they suffered some loss or great trial they couldn't explain or handle. Basically they can't cope with life.
@girlyimage Wrong. That's an extremely biased statement. I have a great life, I do great things, and as Dan said in the first part of this debate, "The only difference between you and I, is that I believe in one less god than you do." Humans are creatures of reason. So we, or I, at least, choose to stop imagining outside of reason, because that's what any kind of thought with a creature without the laws of reason is, imagining.
I'm angry with people who worship these god's like veloci-raptors..."THEY SHOULD ALL BE DESTROYED!" And as for Megaramsey2010....I love how you say "some" commit suicide or end up in mental hospitals. When the majority are christians, or follow a judea faith (muslim jew christian) And as for mental unstable. What makes a mad man sane if it is not the groups of fools following him.
i was brought to being by nothing for nothing to do nothing, and then i die and become nothing and nothing .. hum then you just EAT, SLEEP shit HAVE SEX .and then die JUST LIKE AN ANIMAL IF YOU ARE AN ATHEIST DON'T BE OFFENDED BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT ANIMALS DO NOTHING MORE THAN AN ATHEIST.its understandable why some atheist windup in mental hospitals or committing suicide.
@megaramsey2010 just because the idea that you are not 'special'' hurts your feelings does not mean that you should make up fairytales to delude yourself into believing these fairytales . you do not like the idea of there being no heaven, there being no purpose , the universe being created for you and you not being special? well you know what , GET OVER IT!! stop worshipping a mythological being with absolutely no evidence of existence simply because you do not like reality. GROW THE F*CK UP!!!
@megaramsey2010 (contiuing from previous) no matter what, I do not believe that he will punish for no reason other than a lack of belief. Sure, I might not get to go to heaven, but if an all-loving god does exist, then there is no Hell. Even if I were to convert to any religion, I would not believe that such an evil place could exist. Even the Islamic guy said this "Evil exists to reveal to us what is good". When we die, we no longer need this difference, therefore I can't see it existing at all
People if u wana know more about islam i strongly advise u not to look at particular groups and traditions becouse sometimes they maybe mislead for example extremists. Islam is a religion of piece and submission to god, and it cannot be forced onto anyone as it is a sin, if u want to know more about islam take a step back and look into the qur'an , and the life of our beloved prophet Mohamad(pbuh) and be open to it. Inshallah may allah guide us to the right path.
Saying atheism is a religion is like saying I have a hobby of not collecting stamps. Or my favourite sport is not playing cricket. Ooooo I LOVE playing no cricket! its my favourite sport! And I have so much fun not collecting stamps.
@EnvYzSniping I know exactly what I said, thank you very much. I am not changing my mind about the comment. Religion is MAN MADE.FAITH in JESUS CHRIST is to PRACTICE HIS TEACHINGS in order to reach SALVATION. " LOVE one another like HE loves us" . So there for, you are loved too, no matter how much you are trying to challenge me. Have a blessed day!
Hassanain keeps mentioning that Dan is angry. When he talks though, he has clenched fists, snappy fingers, and a raised voice. Dan kept his cool all through out the debate and proved Hassanain wrong in a lot of what he said.
In the end, Hassanain cannot come up with empirical evidence to support his claim of Allah. He is also confused on what atheism means.
@000NubianPrincess000 No not all Muslims go to Heaven. It helps because it gives you the steps to heaven. Anyone can get into heaven, whether Muslim, Atheist, Jewish, etc.
@quontrolteqnology If you cheat on your wife you are dishonoring your vows(promise) you made to her before you married her. Your therefore lying! So yes it is wrong. Now if you made vows that you would be in an open relationship type marriage then no, your not doing anything wrong because that was a part of your vows.
I have a question to all atheists: if I am a married persion and I cheat my wife and get away with it, would it be moral? coz I am not "hurming" my wife, coz she doesnt know about it.
@qontrolteqnology of course it's immoral, where does this moral accusations that people with faith bring about come from? who said that faith equals good morals and the no faith equals bad morals? i find such accusations both ridiculous and childish.
@doritoesPLAY Morals are determined by society to better co exist with each other. Laws are what keep us from doing anything we want to do with no consequence! Plus morals change with time(evolve).We learn how to better co exist over time! That's a part of natural selection. What do you think would happen in a world without morals? Chaos right? So what would happen to our species? Extinction!
@doritoesPLAY I don't get you people!! Are you grown?? If so then you need no one watching you. If the only reason you are a good person is because you think some magical sky daddy is watching your every move then I feel sorry for you!! The bible borrowed morals from the homarabi! And they vary based on society, family upbringing, and religion. What kind of world do you live in?
With Respect to both speakers, I'm sorry but Dan Barker made very weak points and often misinterpreted Hassanain's claims. If some of you are saying that Hassanain was "aggressive," I say no, he was FIRM. But no doubt was Barker condescending and rude. Hassanain's arguments were beautifully constructed, with both impeccable logic and reason.
Believing in god is like believing in the easter bunny and santa clause. Sure tell your kid that he's fake but if someone tells you that god is fake you'll argue until you realize otherwise. So don't don't tell me santa clause isn't real because i have presents. And i won't tell you that god is real because you have life.
Tired of the Hitler remarks. No, just because the majority of Germans didn't oppose the holocaust doesn't mean that their standpoint on morality was right, because -other- people got killed and hurt due to that, which just strengthens Dan Barker's argument: the base of morality is to not cause harm. If you cause harm to other people, you are immoral. Simple as that.
Mahdai 1 week ago
“There may be fairies at the bottom of the garden. There is no evidence for it, but you can't prove that there aren't any, so shouldn't we be agnostic with respect to fairies?”
― Richard Dawkins
Nietzschean1000 2 weeks ago
“Many of us saw religion as harmless nonsense. Beliefs might lack all supporting evidence but, we thought, if people needed a crutch for consolation, where's the harm? September 11th changed all that.”
― Richard Dawkins
Nietzschean1000 2 weeks ago
“Religion is about turning untested belief into unshakable truth through the power of institutions and the passage of time.”
― Richard Dawkins
Nietzschean1000 2 weeks ago
“We are all atheists about most of the gods that societies have ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further.”
― Richard Dawkins
Nietzschean1000 2 weeks ago
@Spined1234, you are a really sick human being if you think any human being deserves eternal torture for what they think! And you seem to revel in the thought too, which is just your way to make yourself feel superior. Your statement embodies what I hate most about theists. You disguise your hatred with piety.
JonasGrumby71 3 weeks ago
Great job by Barker, and epic FAIL by the theist. All he does is keep making the assertion that God is absolute and limitless. You cannot assert something into existence.
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JezusSlave 3 weeks ago
this debate has increased my contempt for dogma for what it does to nice humans. this muslim guy needs to be told that that just by raising your voice doesn't make you right; his "arguments" totally messed up.
MrMaverickOne 1 month ago
So the atheist would rather go through agonizing pain through all eternity than to obey God? Well I guess he can't complain if God does throw him into Hell.
I'm sure he'll have wonderful conversations with his skin being roasted over and over again.
Spined1234 1 month ago
@Spined1234 it's funny how you fear what you love
afshinvf 1 month ago
i love how hypocritical he is when he accuses rajab ali of "attacking" him, when he is the one attacking all the time.. and how rajab ali just laughs at his ignorance, 33:59
Musclekay 1 month ago
"Still, I have to conclude that Rajabali won the debate, if we assess it on its technical merits. Though Rajabali did slip away from a few unanswered points, Barker failed to adequately rebut Rajabali’s two principal arguments, and since that was necessary to meet the burden of disproving the existence of God, God was not disproved that day. But we all learned a lot." - Richard Carrier, fellow Atheist, in his review of the debate...
truebeliever786 1 month ago
@truebeliever786 Sorry I think the opposite is true. I don't think he won and I think it is a good cause to try to free the world from religion.
AverhoffAlexander 1 month ago
@truebeliever786 I think I would be better for the world to be without religion because it would teach humanity not to accept preposition without proof, it would help humanity think better and more clearly.
AverhoffAlexander 1 month ago
@AverhoffAlexander It wouldn't help humanity at all, humanity would still continue in their crimes. Atheism didn't stop Stalin, Mao Zi Dong and others from murdering millions... Its not lack of religion which helps the world, what would help the world is to raise children in a nice peaceful manner and teach them to be good, kind and generous regardless of religion...
truebeliever786 1 month ago
@truebeliever786 What you say its true however but it doesn't disproof what I said, I think you are refuting a different argument. One that you may have heard from another person. If you really stop and read what I wrote you would see that you are not responding to what I wrote.
Again the world would be better without the indoctrination of religions because it would teach men to think better, I never said that religion is the factory of psychopaths in this world,
AverhoffAlexander 1 month ago
@AverhoffAlexander Well it won't make them think better at all, it'll just make them self centred and make them think about themselves and no one else...
truebeliever786 1 month ago
@truebeliever786 Your argument contradicts itself, because a men that thinks better cares about other for a simple reason, It helps the species survive.
AverhoffAlexander 1 month ago
@AverhoffAlexander Why would man care about keeping the species alive? That's how animals think, men don't...
Man needs guidance, righteousness and morals in a proper and befitting manner and religion, when taught properly, gives that... Otherwise, they believe they have the right to do as they please... Why should we keep alive if we'll end up as nothing anyway and not exist and just finish eventually, everyone of us? Doesn't make any sense...
truebeliever786 1 month ago
@truebeliever786 In that we agree a man might need guidance, But not lies.
AverhoffAlexander 1 month ago
@AverhoffAlexander Yep................
truebeliever786 1 month ago
@AverhoffAlexander Yep.
truebeliever786 1 month ago
@truebeliever786 This debates about religions are so funny, the mere existence of the debate is a proof that the is no proof for the god existence. That's why you have to debate it.
Why don't we discuss if the sun is real?
AverhoffAlexander 1 month ago
@AverhoffAlexander The mere question do you believe in God, I cannot answer it.
it Is a logical impossibility, How could I think god is real if I have no proof to do so.
AverhoffAlexander 1 month ago
@AverhoffAlexander Not really, just because God doesn't reveal himself doesn't mean he isn't there. Our very existence and design is the proof of an Absolute Creator, who must exist in such a way that none can exist without Him and He has no beginning or end... That's how I see it... Existence and Life can never be explained, what gives Life and consciousness? I think its God, there's no other answer I think.
truebeliever786 1 month ago
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@truebeliever786 What you say its true however it doesn't disproof what I said, I think you are refuting a different argument. One that you may have heard from another person. If you really stop and read what I wrote you would see that you are not responding to what I wrote.
Again the world would be better without the indoctrination of religions because it would teach men to think better, I never said that religion is the factory of psychopaths in this world,
AverhoffAlexander 1 month ago
Hassanain is simply amazing...
truebeliever786 1 month ago
@truebeliever786 He really is very good, a con artist
AverhoffAlexander 1 month ago
@AverhoffAlexander What will freeing this world from religion do?
Religion has no negative effect on man, its man who uses religion to justify his own negative effects. Man has greed, lust for power, urge to sin and all these weaknesses which will remain even if religion goes. In fact its religion which does at times prevent many men from giving in to crime and other things.
Hassanain clearly won, see the debate...
truebeliever786 1 month ago
Kafar Fk you for making fun of other peoples religion. Who the Fk do you think you are? Making fun of other peoples beliefs make you feel better? Your a sad kid and your mum fails to educate you to be a moral person. So piss ass you fking prick.
xevr123 2 months ago
maybe there is a God, but Allah is SATAN, not the God, Muslims are son of the satan
KafarMorted 2 months ago
"You are either an atheist or a theist on a subject"
IMO ur Wrong. My position depends entirely on how God is defined. If it's defined in a way that can't be verified by our senses, we must remain agnostic because by definition, we can never know of or about it. Agnostic is a position held when a thing can't be known.
It's just a game of semantics, and I use this nuanced tactic for the DEEPAKS of the world who try to use scientific words but really don't say or mean a fucking thing. That's all.
2eelShmeal 2 months ago
Umm
So you do agree LOL
daanish24 2 months ago
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X3sAiiDaDaB0MBx3 2 months ago
@K11IKB First of all, I'm not an atheist but just because there is no God doesn't necessarily mean there is no moral code, rather, moral principles. Atheists rely on virtue, what you define to be good may be bad in other cases, what you may define to be bad may be good simultaneously. In the case of freeing slaves, it's a rather a conception on how we as individuals perceive it. While some countries in this world accept slavery, an individual may not varying on their personal cases.
X3sAiiDaDaB0MBx3 2 months ago
@superhamzah85 slavery is still present today. The UN practices it the most. The UN is a puppet of the US and in the US the boss/owner is the master while the worker is the slave. Islam teaches strongly against slavery.
alameriki123 3 months ago
@alameriki123
One of the last places on earth to abolish slavery was Arabia, the birthplace of Islam.
FAIL
superhamzah85 3 months ago
@superhamzah85 DRY. the quran promotes slavery NOWHERE in the quran lmao..and in arabia the slavery that was practiced was completely different. a "slave" could hold high ranking positions in the government and society..it is apparent that you have not done any research on this matter and are just spitting whatever you read/saw somewhere.
alameriki123 2 months ago
@alameriki123
I honestly am not interested, because we have something that bans slavery OUTRIGHT, anything else is INFERIOR. End of. Now go fuck yourself.
superhamzah85 2 months ago
@superhamzah85 we have? hamza u seem to have a complex, if ur of arab/middleastern descent your beloved UN will lock you up, strip you of your rights and approve the destruction of your motherlands. STFU. go suck some white racist dick.
alameriki123 2 months ago
@alameriki123
I'm in Europe, you're in-sane.
superhamzah85 2 months ago
islamic ideology got destroyed... again ;)
gemmo 3 months ago
"Let's worship God for the sake of God"?
dimmuimortis 3 months ago
to be honest, as sad as this athiest was to see the light, i do give im props for having the more stronger arguments. i say this becuase the islamic debater wasnt able to satisfactorly provide answers to the points the athiest was bringing. and to a non believer this video would seem like a total win from the Athiests Stand point.
my point here is as brilliant as the Muslim was (mashahalah) he was NOT properly equipped for this Harami Kafir Ki Aulad penchod.
thankyou for my 2 cents
asamayub 4 months ago
On top of that, the teacher has disappeared from the classroom.
Hitchens would have destroyed this guy's arguments.
atulawasthi1 4 months ago
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atulawasthi1 4 months ago
Hassanain likes to use the exam analogy, so I will use it too.
Here we have a teacher (God) who has whispered in the ear of one of his students (prophet) the entire course. The student wrote down the course in a language that most other students don't even understand. This unusable text book for most students have been passed down among several batch of new students and now there is absolutely no way to verify the original content or the examination date.
atulawasthi1 4 months ago
So the guy's whole point was morality and that atheists hate religion. With Dan's responses, it should have been clear about morality's limitations and atheists do not want no religion, just that it isn' t imposed on others who do not believe in that god as truth.
DerpdaDerp1 4 months ago
Infinite debate.But at least i understand that no one can claim:" There is no God".
babkrani 4 months ago
Love can be measured ? ok , give me a number, or a chemical or physical equation.
one thing that all atheists fail to understand is that god is not bound by time or space because he created them. when you really understand this concept i mean really then you can debate with a muslim. All scientific evidence point to intelligent design, but they dismiss it from any logical reasoning, so what's the point debating with an atheist if he refuses the most logical and physical evidence ?
elsarih777 4 months ago
This ignorant Muslim doesn't answer half the questions, delves deeper into utter bull and expects to win? He doesn't even answer a really important question, 'won't god treat all equally good men equally', bloody prick, no wonder fully religious people are uptight about themselves, they care more about an imaginary being than the progression of the human race.
XxImm0rtallityxX 4 months ago
im an alien and there is no god
MsReefmaster 4 months ago in playlist atheist debate
According to the theists God gives free will to believe or not to believe, but if you choose not to believe you are condemned. That is like a robber pointing a gun at you and giving you the option to give him your wallet or not to give him your wallet but if you choose not to give him your wallet he will shoot you.
AmmoBravo 4 months ago
@AmmoBravo Very bad example you put there, God gave you everything and you refuse to believe in him, he did not ask you to give him your kidney or your eyes even if he gave them to you. only believe and follow the religion he gave humanity for their own good, because if they don't follow it there will be great corruption on earth from their actions, just how many people died and suffered from world's wars ? without rules there is only chaos. and human rules have flaws.
elsarih777 4 months ago
@elsarih777 Morality (rules) in society doesn't come from religion. The human being is a social being. We need other humans to coexist with us to be healthy. In other words morality doesn't come from a book but it comes from human instinct that tells us that in order to keep people around you, you can't kill them or hurt them... You have to help them. And to give you a tip about WW2... Hitler was a Roman Catholic who believed in the purity of race, not an atheist.
AmmoBravo 4 months ago
I am morally superior to your god, Muslims (and all gods I have ever known of). I'm sorry it is so. I wish your holy book was better. But, since it isn't, I hope you will come to see that it provides no moral framework for anything positive. I appreciate this debate. Thanks for posting it.
TKStoddart 4 months ago
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wanna know atheism morality ?? see how Dan Barker went to shake hassanian's hand whereas he's the guest
""ex-Muslim ""
mideastatheist 5 months ago
Commmmmon people it is 2011 Religion is Bullshitt George Carlin is (was) the man youtube DOT com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o
ultimafreak 5 months ago
@superhamzah85 There were many times where the Prophet tried to abolish slavery by wanting to show people that black people were their equals. For example, umme Ayman (a black woman) was like a second mother to him and he respected her greatly, Bilal (a black man)was the first ever to recite the call to prayer (which was one of the most prestigious event in Islam), one of the rulings in Islam in recompense for missing an Islamic action was to free a slave, in a time where slavery was abundant.
Azadari4Evaa 5 months ago
@superhamzah85 "Let the dearest of your treasuries be the treasury of righteous action... Infuse your heart with mercy, love and kindness for your subjects. Be not in the face of them a voracious animal, counting them as easy prey, for they are of two kinds: either they are your brothers in religion or your equals in creation." - Imam Ali, cousin of the Prophet, and successor (Quoted by Kofi Anan, the General Secretary of Human Rights, on the 50th anniversary of the Declaration of Human Rights)
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TheServiceWeb 5 months ago
Anyone on here who claims that the declaration of human rights or any documents in the UN are the product of any religious texts or beliefs really needs to check their history books. The Western Enlightenment is what primarily influenced these documents, much like many other Western nations and their laws. Separation of Church and State is very much an Enlightenment inspired principle, caused by observation of the negative impact/weakness of centralized governments, kingship, and theocracies.
AlexTheHumanist 5 months ago
sorry hassan but u got your ass handed to you bud!!
shuttsta 6 months ago
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Of course God is real. I found the Garden of Eden He Created. Look at my Channel and see it for yourself.
downyourtube 6 months ago
Does god exist or not exist? is a meaningless question. In order to proceed with a rational discussion, one must first provide a coherent definition of what is meant by 'god'. If that definition is unfalsifiable, then there can be a meaningful discussion. We can then proceed with the next question, does god exist or not exist?
Sadly, many people skips the first step and directly goes on to the second step. That's why theists and atheists usually end up having an endless circular discussion.
12InchesUnBuffed 6 months ago 20
@12InchesUnBuffed <--- everything this guy wrote (at least so far) is solid. If you're reading this, you should be reading his / her comment. I would just like to add that to pose the question "does god *not* exist?" is even more meaningless than asking "does god exist" without having defined god. The later question requires elaboration, but the former is only asked by one who has no understanding of the laws of logic.
AR333 6 months ago
@AR333 Thanks AR333. I wanted to say more, however 500 characters max aren't enough to vent out all the things I wanted to say. I wish I can have a rational discussion with both atheists and theists.
12InchesUnBuffed 6 months ago
@AR333 Absolutely. !00%.
It's like the question we've been subjected to of "What proof do you have that atheism is accurate and correct?"
(which isn't valid as we know)
But if it were, to be able to answer it, I'd have to know what it is I do not believe exists. So:
#1. Define "God"
2. If its a personal God, I'm an atheist
3. If it's an outside-space-and-time-deepak-chopra-the-universe-is-love God, I'm agnostic.. lol
4. If God is defined as nature, I am a believer.
no one's automatic atheist
2eelShmeal 5 months ago
@2eelShmeal """2. If its a personal God, I'm an atheist
3. If it's an outside-space-and-time-deepak-chopra-the-universe-is-love God, I'm agnostic.. lol"""
Atheist and agnostic isnt two different positions. Atheist= Dont believe. Agnostic= Dont know. You are either an atheist or a theist on a subject. And you are always agnostic or gnostic towards something.
gulbirk 2 months ago
@12InchesUnBuffed But they addressed that question in the beginning of the video (1/3). Just because the title says "Does God Not Exist?" does not directly mean they skipped to the second question, it just means they're getting to the main point. No one is going to a lecture or watch a video that says "What is God?" or "What is meant by the word "God"?
X3sAiiDaDaB0MBx3 2 months ago
@X3sAiiDaDaB0MBx3 They did not skip to the 2nd question but just getting to the main point? ... Not sure what you mean there? How do you get to the main point without answering the first question? I'm confused now.
"No one is going to a lecture ..."
-No one? How do you know? Do you mean everyone in the world will never watch a video about this? Or do you mean "You yourself won't therefore, no one else should?" Cuz u know, I sure damn would.
12InchesUnBuffed 2 months ago
@12InchesUnBuffed "No one" is a cliche for most people wouldn't. Maybe you would, but that's much beside the point. I meant on part 1 of 3, the debaters defined what God is. If the argument is on the existence of God, then it is expected God is already defined, which is what I was trying to get across- thus I meant "getting to the main point".
X3sAiiDaDaB0MBx3 2 months ago
@X3sAiiDaDaB0MBx3 "If the argument is on the existence of God, then it is expected God is already defined"
-Huh? I don't get your logic here.
How can god be defined just because there is an argument about it? I don't understand...
Anyways, it's not my forte to argue over arguments.
I was just giving my 2 cents of why I think such a question was senseless.
Thank you for your input though.
12InchesUnBuffed 2 months ago
@12InchesUnBuffed so what is a coherent definition of "god"? wouldnt be... god is absolute? he doesnt exits without a place, has no partner and was not born, for if he was, that doesnt make him god.. am i correct? we cant shapeshift our own god in our own minds bcuz that would be meaningless? and to say, why isnt god stoping all the evil things? why doesnt he come down from his throne, to earth and help us, i want to see this god.. would that not make him a vulnerable being?
Musclekay 1 month ago
@Musclekay I do not know the answer to those questions. I am deeply sorry. I am an agnostic myself. A coherent definition of god, I do not know... I do not know whether god exists or not or what even god would look like. To me, what's most important is not whether god exists or not but rather for humanity to get along with each other and understand one another, rather than have disputes based on an individual's faith or differences in beliefs.
12InchesUnBuffed 1 month ago
@12InchesUnBuffed a being that is not absolute, to look like us, to come down and help us, when we are the ones in trial?
Musclekay 1 month ago
There is No god , there are no good nor evil , there is only people who make good and bad decisions.
Mackish 6 months ago
insect and animals do not believe in god. the only unhappy specie that believe in god and live on this planets are call humans.
there is no reason to believe in god, animals and plants are the example. DUMBASS
l3g10nw 6 months ago
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@l3g10nw
We do not know dumbass.
Beetleking22 6 months ago
@l3g10nw Um you're not an animal or an insect, so I don't really know how you would judge that, in addition that's an incomplete, invalid, and a weak argument. So basically, what you're trying to say is, you judge on the so-called "perception" made by an animal, insect, and a plant on how they perceive God (which you also cannot provide evidence for) and assume it's correct? lol fail.
X3sAiiDaDaB0MBx3 2 months ago
god is a myth. It's already in the 3rd Millenium , that's 100% obvious, unless you are born with a dysfunctional brainwashed brain. The ape-brain of Believers deserve my mockery.
Neueregel 7 months ago
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rockmyballsplease 7 months ago
@superhamzah85 Your statements are neither logically sound nor are they factually. First of all, when you say 'slave' you must put the word in its proper context because it's the same lexicon as reformed and described by Islamic Law. For instanceslavery has no racial component in Islamic Law. Also, the modern day conception of slavery in the 20th Century HAS been banned and arbitrated tobe un-islamic, that is against the teachings of the Qura'n--thus banned by the Qura'n. Don't be anachronistic
skaterboy21292 7 months ago
Religion is a hard to be affirmative when debating on since all the evidence is against it and supports the negative speaker (dan). It's a lot harder to think and debate abstractly and out of pure faith then think and debate logically and provide evidence through truth and reason. Much the reason why the Atheist point of view in this debate and many debates is so strong. I give props to the religious debater (not gonna attempt his name :) ) debated well considering the evidence is against him
WidilyScuds 7 months ago
Prayer helps nothing.
TomPark1986 7 months ago
"How does a relative universe come into existence by itself? Whatever that answer you give me, has to be god". Well there ya go folks, blinkered religious tripe. Lets take the easy route and say god did it cos we just aint got the brain power to understand anything else.
Haizum74 7 months ago
moral ethics come from the 'want' to survive you fucking fool... seen in pretty much EVERY animal species walking, crawling, swimming, flying, slithering about the planet...
this shit is so sickening to listen to.
turtle5181 7 months ago 2
Science & New Science & New Thinking & New Possablitys Dont Limit The Mind of Possability. but the God Thing Limitss the Mind, Not knowning How the Trick is Done still dose not make it Magic or God, when people dont understand, They just Call it God and they stick with the Simple Answer, so God Keeps the Child like Mind Believing in santa claus, God Limits Thinking,
realnameunknown2011 7 months ago
@superhamzah85 Islam abolished Slavery=]
MoeAlza 7 months ago
No...it did not, the Islamic world was the last place to abolish slavery, in Arabia, the birth place of Islam, slavery was abolished in the 60s....When the Beatles were practising their numbers, black people were slaves in Arabia.
Tell me one hadeeth or Qur'anic verse that says "Slavery is haram"
superhamzah85 7 months ago
my favourite was how he claimed, it would be a bad thing if, let's say in a country, people (kinda) vote for their "moral rules". (the 51 out of 100 people)
... i mean terrible outcomes would be possible!
like giving women equal rights for example,.. or to never let it come that far..
tr1bute1 8 months ago
The Muslim guy cant say he would change his mind because the punishment for leaving Islam is death.What a kind loving religion.
ppdrum 8 months ago
@ppdrum No any Muslim can leave his religion without death. Don't spread lies.
MoeAlza 7 months ago
@ppdrum If you examine the Quran and hadith, that is not true. That "death"sentence to apostates was set for certain hypocrites and spies in the time of the prophet, that claimed to be muslims, and intervened for their advantage to attack the muslims. That's who and why. It is wrong that some schools of thought or fanatic systems take it literally without refering to the history.
HijabulousTV 7 months ago
@ppdrum I mean they would act as muslims in groups, then anounce leaving it, and it was discovered that it was a plot by the enemy, in order to try and lure the muslims and divide them.
HijabulousTV 7 months ago
So frustrating to see a theologian nitpicking about minor details and trying to rebuke a valid argument with these nitpickings...pisses me off..
juuonse 8 months ago
No doubt who won this for me - THE "LAWLESS" INDIAN!)
SamuelRust 8 months ago
If a woman goes about alone and without the head-to-toe potato sack, Muslim men claim she's 'asking to be raped'. Only disgusting less-than-human savages behave so.
Even if she went about 100% UNCLOTHED, nobody who claims to be moral has the right to touch her without her permission.
psycotria 8 months ago
@psycotria is that why statistically speaking, woman in america are raped more than the entire middle east combined?
MoeAlza 7 months ago
While atheist could have done better on some points, theist made baseless assertion after assertion. His ranting at times against straw men and the crazy 'unmoved mover' line appealed to ignorance.
Most fundies reject evolution, which is proved over and over. Not only are we descended from animals, we are animals that can alter our instinctive behaviors to promote social harmony.
psycotria 8 months ago
Theist Mr Hasnain was clearer on his arguments and made more sense.
blueeagleTFL 8 months ago
Why to that ateist keep spouting nonsens
hansspurv 9 months ago
awwww... long comments -___-"
sLeighTkiLLa 9 months ago
@superhamzah85
lmao, the UN? Seriously man, you need to do your homework. I am not a Muslim, however the Theist here won the debate as they often seem to do... I question your knowledge on religion and how its been used/exploited in the past. I don't want to come off as talking down to you, but when you take things from the UN and try to tell me that they are morally superior to anything I find it laughable. You are ignorant now, but that can be fixed...Peace.
mouldsjr87 9 months ago
How did the theist win? He didn't give any evidence for his claim at all, and the only one who used strawman arguments and ad hominem attacks.
Read the UN Declaration of Human Rights, seriously, go and read it. Then come back and tell me which religion matches it, the UN as an organization is not what I'm debating, I'm talking about modern freedom and ethics as a principle to be aspired to, read the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, then tell me a religion that matches it. Good luck.
superhamzah85 9 months ago
@superhamzah85 LOL what? There are many ancient religions which did not advocate slavery at all. Check out some ancient African religions.
harmonicamajor 9 months ago
Apologies, African religions don't advocate slavery.
They have a whole new range of absurdities, distinct from Abrahamic ones.
superhamzah85 7 months ago
@superhamzah85 and from your name it seems you are an ex-Muslim. Congratulations, you are not my brother in Islam.
harmonicamajor 9 months ago
@harmonicamajor and since the failure is a "fantastic one," much stronger evidence should be available with much more ease for such a "fantastic" phenomenon, yet you dont present one.
Also you behold that "only after secularization did our concept of human rights ... took full effect." Really? What about the human rights violation in Guantanamo bay? I do not see any "effect taking place." If full effect had taken place in secular countries, I'd expect secular countries to be free of violence.
harmonicamajor 9 months ago
@harmonicamajor and you have made an assumption that slavery has been abolished, since secularization. Oh really? How do you define slavery? I do not see that slavery has been abolished at all in developed secular countries. Violent slavery, as practiced by whites on blacks, has been replaced with material and capitalistic slavery. Humans have been forced to participate in capitalistic markets if they are to survive by earning! If you do not think this is bondage, you need medical evaluation.
harmonicamajor 9 months ago
@harmonicamajor Ok, and I'm not defending Barker. This started off a reply to a comment that said that all atheists are hate/fear god, and choose not to believe so that we can just do whatever we want without a guilty conscience. Barker and I are two different people, even though we might share a few similar beliefs.
JesseIsASquirrel 9 months ago
@JesseIsASquirrel See, it only shows there is no absolute morality. What you think is right is probably wrong for me.
harmonicamajor 9 months ago
@tamu77095 idk where your getting ur info on islam but if you want a quran i can point yu in where to get a quran for free no charge... islam derives from the root word salam meaning peace islam is obtaining peace through the submission of one god Allah... if you read quran plenty of science in it before western scientist had instruments to observe and their studies have only proved the quran right... so what point are you trying to make brother? as for murder it is considered non-muslim to kill
giofig40 9 months ago
@AR333 actually many muslims know the bible better than a christian and thats good for you but what do you know of islamic history?... if u read a history book from UK it wuld say america did wrong to Britain but in US history books says we were oppressed and took control for the better of the people... so just going off of history is bias and incorrect approach brother/sister
giofig40 9 months ago
Wow!! MashAllah Br.Hasanain Rajabali, you are AMAziNG mashAllah!! Dan Barker better find stronger arguments because his arguments were like a wall filled with termites, unstable and empty within.
Coolnar13 9 months ago
its funny how don barker says he only read SOME of the quran... okay how can you debate against an ideology a religion if you havent even read the base scripture for the religion... the quran is without contradictions... you read a few pages but you havent read the rest of the answers to your questions
giofig40 9 months ago
@giofig40 Well let's be objective shall we not? Muslims reject christianity, did they all read ALL of the bible? No, they would say that since they read the quran, and are convinced of its truth, they don't have to. But this goes both ways: christians would say the same.
Furthermore, one doesn't exactly need to read the scripture to consider it false. I mean take mormonism, I don't have to read the book of mormon, I just have to know history, to know that its claims are false.
AR333 9 months ago
@giofig40 how can Rajabali argue from a stand point of science having studied only SOME science. I haven't done extensive research but I doubt he's a renowned biologist, geneticist, chemist, cosmologist, and an astrophysicist. Quran teaches to hunt the infidel does it not? That's REAL humanitarian-like. Expect to be called on bullshit. I mean what is your argument because religious scripture of the islamic faith is responsible for bigotry,murder,mass-murder, etc. The bad outweighs the good sir
tamu77095 9 months ago
lol hitler wasnt catholic he was lutheran
giofig40 9 months ago
Dan Barker looks angry, why so angry Mr Atheist? He keeps attacking "God" and feeling angry at something done to him by God. I think most Atheist are angry people who lost hope in God along the way after they suffered some loss or great trial they couldn't explain or handle. Basically they can't cope with life.
girlyimage 9 months ago
@girlyimage Wrong. That's an extremely biased statement. I have a great life, I do great things, and as Dan said in the first part of this debate, "The only difference between you and I, is that I believe in one less god than you do." Humans are creatures of reason. So we, or I, at least, choose to stop imagining outside of reason, because that's what any kind of thought with a creature without the laws of reason is, imagining.
JesseIsASquirrel 9 months ago
great answers Dan.. keep it up!!
SonofSivadas 9 months ago
Im an ex-muslim and what all Islam taught me is just obey,memorize, never think and ask. thanks to the proper education I got lately.
there is no way i will go to that darkness again.
Essa0601 9 months ago
Well at least its out in the open, dialectics are necessary. Though its requires patience, allot.
MexxPowers 9 months ago
I'm angry with people who worship these god's like veloci-raptors..."THEY SHOULD ALL BE DESTROYED!" And as for Megaramsey2010....I love how you say "some" commit suicide or end up in mental hospitals. When the majority are christians, or follow a judea faith (muslim jew christian) And as for mental unstable. What makes a mad man sane if it is not the groups of fools following him.
SpecterWSA 9 months ago
I'm angry with people who worship these god's like veloci-raptors..."THEY SHOULD ALL BE DESTROYED!"
SpecterWSA 9 months ago
i was brought to being by nothing for nothing to do nothing, and then i die and become nothing and nothing .. hum then you just EAT, SLEEP shit HAVE SEX .and then die JUST LIKE AN ANIMAL IF YOU ARE AN ATHEIST DON'T BE OFFENDED BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT ANIMALS DO NOTHING MORE THAN AN ATHEIST.its understandable why some atheist windup in mental hospitals or committing suicide.
megaramsey2010 9 months ago
@megaramsey2010 just because the idea that you are not 'special'' hurts your feelings does not mean that you should make up fairytales to delude yourself into believing these fairytales . you do not like the idea of there being no heaven, there being no purpose , the universe being created for you and you not being special? well you know what , GET OVER IT!! stop worshipping a mythological being with absolutely no evidence of existence simply because you do not like reality. GROW THE F*CK UP!!!
theUKatheist 9 months ago
@megaramsey2010 (contiuing from previous) no matter what, I do not believe that he will punish for no reason other than a lack of belief. Sure, I might not get to go to heaven, but if an all-loving god does exist, then there is no Hell. Even if I were to convert to any religion, I would not believe that such an evil place could exist. Even the Islamic guy said this "Evil exists to reveal to us what is good". When we die, we no longer need this difference, therefore I can't see it existing at all
JesseIsASquirrel 9 months ago
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megaramsey2010 9 months ago
People if u wana know more about islam i strongly advise u not to look at particular groups and traditions becouse sometimes they maybe mislead for example extremists. Islam is a religion of piece and submission to god, and it cannot be forced onto anyone as it is a sin, if u want to know more about islam take a step back and look into the qur'an , and the life of our beloved prophet Mohamad(pbuh) and be open to it. Inshallah may allah guide us to the right path.
MrAbdullahibdali 9 months ago
woooooooooooooooow! Why can't he just answere the question. All he did is circle around and barely noticed the questiones... stupid creationist.
Charlymaumushi 9 months ago
THEISTS FTW!!
neoseeker007 10 months ago
Hassanain is the type of guy who tucks it between his legs and dances round naked in front of the mirror.
He's rubbish at debating, he's unable to answer the question asked and overly excitable.
Some of those Q's were obvious plants too!
I thought Dan Barker showed real patience with him.
HarrysSecret 10 months ago
God Bless you Brother your doing such a huge job
ThePunisher014 10 months ago
God bless u brooooooooooooooo
saramelad 10 months ago
Saying atheism is a religion is like saying I have a hobby of not collecting stamps. Or my favourite sport is not playing cricket. Ooooo I LOVE playing no cricket! its my favourite sport! And I have so much fun not collecting stamps.
sufian2k6 10 months ago
a very biased muslim audience.
hopelessABD 10 months ago
RELIGION is MAN MADE. FAITH IN CHRIST IS A WAY OF LIVING AND THE ROAD OF SALVATION. CHRIST IS THE TRUTH, THE WAY AND THE LIFE .
truth7seeker 10 months ago
@truth7seeker Without religion there would have been NO faith . Think about what you just said .
EnvYzSniping 9 months ago
@EnvYzSniping I know exactly what I said, thank you very much. I am not changing my mind about the comment. Religion is MAN MADE.FAITH in JESUS CHRIST is to PRACTICE HIS TEACHINGS in order to reach SALVATION. " LOVE one another like HE loves us" . So there for, you are loved too, no matter how much you are trying to challenge me. Have a blessed day!
truth7seeker 9 months ago
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GOD IS ALPHA and OMEGA the BEGINNING and the END.
truth7seeker 10 months ago
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God does not exist. GOD WAS, IS, AND WILL ALWAYS BE
truth7seeker 10 months ago
The atheist debater was woefully irrational in most of his arguments. It is only good luck on his part that his opponent was unintelligent.
RuskePerson 10 months ago
morals are not dependent of religion, morals are man made.... and why is the religious guy not giving any evidence? ... oh ... that's right ...
UroborosComplex 10 months ago
Hassanain keeps mentioning that Dan is angry. When he talks though, he has clenched fists, snappy fingers, and a raised voice. Dan kept his cool all through out the debate and proved Hassanain wrong in a lot of what he said.
In the end, Hassanain cannot come up with empirical evidence to support his claim of Allah. He is also confused on what atheism means.
Dan Miller wins!
isengate 11 months ago
@isengate hahahah I know Dan didn't seam angry at all ... projection works in funny ways.
UroborosComplex 10 months ago
Muslim 0 Atheist 1
Good job Dan.
Klash92 11 months ago
@Klash92 Muslim 1 Atheist 0
Good job husni
SuperWolf707 10 months ago
@edlogotbanged those all sound pretty amazing to me sucks u dont get those morals hahaha have fun not eating pork, or porking girls for that matter!
godisadelusion16 11 months ago
@edlgotanged Thats what makes us great we have the freedoms to do whatvever the fuck we plz!
godisadelusion16 11 months ago
it is a shame that such good people can believe such awful and confused things. Reason is what all things should be based. not faith.
JBeezie428 11 months ago
One question to Muslims, do all muslims go to paradise? if no, then why is it important to be a muslim?
000NubianPrincess000 11 months ago
@000NubianPrincess000 No not all Muslims go to Heaven. It helps because it gives you the steps to heaven. Anyone can get into heaven, whether Muslim, Atheist, Jewish, etc.
MoeAlza 7 months ago
@quontrolteqnology If you cheat on your wife you are dishonoring your vows(promise) you made to her before you married her. Your therefore lying! So yes it is wrong. Now if you made vows that you would be in an open relationship type marriage then no, your not doing anything wrong because that was a part of your vows.
sexyAllen4u 11 months ago
I have a question to all atheists: if I am a married persion and I cheat my wife and get away with it, would it be moral? coz I am not "hurming" my wife, coz she doesnt know about it.
qontrolteqnology 11 months ago
@qontrolteqnology It depends on wether you think it's morally ok or wrong.
NiWiPe36 11 months ago
@qontrolteqnology of course it's immoral, where does this moral accusations that people with faith bring about come from? who said that faith equals good morals and the no faith equals bad morals? i find such accusations both ridiculous and childish.
UroborosComplex 10 months ago
@doritoesPLAY Morals are determined by society to better co exist with each other. Laws are what keep us from doing anything we want to do with no consequence! Plus morals change with time(evolve).We learn how to better co exist over time! That's a part of natural selection. What do you think would happen in a world without morals? Chaos right? So what would happen to our species? Extinction!
sexyAllen4u 11 months ago
@doritoesPLAY I don't get you people!! Are you grown?? If so then you need no one watching you. If the only reason you are a good person is because you think some magical sky daddy is watching your every move then I feel sorry for you!! The bible borrowed morals from the homarabi! And they vary based on society, family upbringing, and religion. What kind of world do you live in?
sexyAllen4u 11 months ago
With Respect to both speakers, I'm sorry but Dan Barker made very weak points and often misinterpreted Hassanain's claims. If some of you are saying that Hassanain was "aggressive," I say no, he was FIRM. But no doubt was Barker condescending and rude. Hassanain's arguments were beautifully constructed, with both impeccable logic and reason.
La Ilaha Il Allah, Muhammad Rasool Allah <3
optimisticautiously 11 months ago
Dan is Ridiculously Stupid n Made No Sense While Hasnain Was Logical n Make sense!
moeazysgc 11 months ago
I wasn't aware that 'hope' and 'God' were synonymous terms...
crazyvids786 11 months ago
haha "though shallt pull thy hand from the flames"
Kultmannen 1 year ago
The Muslim speaker got bruised eyes lol his wife must have beat him :D hence his so agressive
aghahowa11 1 year ago
The final remarks by the muslim were an unnecessary insult.
Why does he have to distort what Dan said and get the cheap dig in?
But I guess that is standard procedure for what passes as "debate" in muslim circles.
Derukugi2 1 year ago
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Dan makes sense and hasnain is making nonsense, and in a rude way.
Derukugi2 1 year ago
hasnain makes sense and Dan is making nonsense. . . .? ? ?
peacemaker571 1 year ago
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peacemaker571 1 year ago
I watched the 3 videos. I just find it hard to start something and not finish. This atheist mami sends you all nice hugs and love.
Jbo1996 1 year ago
Believing in god is like believing in the easter bunny and santa clause. Sure tell your kid that he's fake but if someone tells you that god is fake you'll argue until you realize otherwise. So don't don't tell me santa clause isn't real because i have presents. And i won't tell you that god is real because you have life.
Liqhtning 1 year ago