I'm just a bit too young to have experienced the Apple II firsthand (born in 88) but I love seeing aspects of classic computing, and would love an oppertunity to play with something like this. Thanks for the vid.
what kind of hardware did you use to conect your apple ii to ethernet? Is there a network card for applle ii? I have one here, and never have seen one! Thanks.
@legobaxter Yeah, and once you figure out 95% of all the home routers in the world use 192.168.1.0/24 as their address range, you'll figure out your comment was not nearly as clever as you though.
btw - this video was recorded in 2003. apple2.org is a regular web site. The contiki browser just ignores all graphics. You can get still get apple II nic's google search for a2retrosystems :)
Wow, I wondered if such a thing was possible. I figured that the servers wouldn't even accept such a slow connection, thinking it was from a malfunctioning computer. I see that the website is customized though. What would happen if CNN's website were entered?
Somehow this gives me feelings of despair. But it is really dang cool also!
Simply amazing. Could you imagine a completely text based internet? You could probably still perform the most essential activities. Social networking would still be feasible, though far less interesting. You could still read articles online. You'd still be able to use email.
I wonder how much of this the old Apple II could handle if the web was built to be compatible with text based browsers.
@poshko41 - Obviously you've never heard of the Lynx web browser, current version 2.8.7. It runs under DOS and first appeared when Lose3.1 - I mean, Windows 3.1 - was new and Mosaic was the main graphics browser. It still works. Go to [ lynx DOS isc DOT org ] to get a copy.
I used it heavily in college and browsing on FreeNets through Kermit, and still test my webpages on it. A blind guy I know is still using it with a Kurzweil text reader. Graphics are useless to a blind person.
I was so inspired by this video that I decided to get my vic 20 online. Of course I used a terminal emulator to do it but it was an interesting experience.
Over the past several days, i have been wondering what the first mac with web capabilities was... I asked the question twice on yahoo answers and i was thinking it was something in the 1996 era, because that's when IE for mac came out. Someone answered that they thought it was the mac plus. I thought that was too old. Now i stumble upon this :D
@198952572 Wasn't that what you was asking, or was you asking what version of Apple II it was, like II or IIe or IIc. from what it looks like (a mono screen) its just a Apple II but i could be wrong.
Monochromatic text only screen for web browsing, the digital equivalent of self flagellation followed by a vow of silence. Why does he feel the need to punish himself?
This is pretty awesome, but it seems like more of a proof of concept than a useful browser.
Don't get me wrong- I often use text-based browsers such as elinks and they work just fine for me.
However, contiki is even more limited in what pages it can visit. A "contiki compatible" page is not a common thing. It it is probably possible to create a more focused browser rather than complete os that would has better compatibility with most websites.
@toomanyhobbies42 - You should look up what people are trying to do for third world countries.
The MOS 6502 chip design (Apple II, C64, Atari400/800) fell into public domain, and some people are trying to build US$10-20 computers with the 6502 and Contiki. Forget Nicolas Negroponte's overpriced OLPC or the EeePC, a $20 6502 computer with Contiki and a modem could be put in the homes of third world countries - many in India already own TVs, so it could work.
@zxcv1234vcxz why do we want ppl in 3rd world countries to have pc's? Would pc's helped us in the wild west? People need to understand that darwinism is the true order of life and ppl in the 3rd world should die off so ppl like us can inhabite their land and properly use their resources, but mankind will never get it. Just keep giving computers and guns to monkeys, see what happens.
@KrazyKuul111 It's a good thing we didn't say that when 1200 bps was the best we could get, or we wouldn't be having this conversation, and you might actually be reading a book somewhere.
A Model T is nothing compared to today's cars, even compared to a 100bhp subcompact. But at a time when everyone was driving a horse and cart, a Model T was an amazing feat. You would have bought a Model T in the 1920s, and you would have bought a DOS PC in 1985 if you had been aware of it then.
I was using computers when it was 300baud (about 28 letters per second, as fast as you can read) and it was great in its time.
there is another project for the apple gs that also can render images. its a gsos app. to bad i no longer have a gs to test it on being i finnly found a way to send data from a pc to one as well as a site that still sells the 800kb 3.5 floppys as well as the 360kb 5/12 ones. those are disk a apple2 serise can read.
@miraeja - So what's your point? You talk like this is a problem.
Nobody rags on people being nostalgic for classic cars, vinyl records or 1950s music. What's wrong with being nostalgic for the first generation of home computing?
Probably because vinyl records are largely enjoyed by audiophiles....people who feel that vinyl/analog give superior upper bound audio playback compared to digital.
People who listen to 1950s music oftentimes prefer 1950s music due to superior songwriting or the enjoyment of a talented musician. Is it fair to say that Mozart is more appreciable than "In my White T?"
Alternately, I don't see what is making the experience of Apple 2 web browsing more enjoyable, aside from novelty.
@Redfingers - "LPs sound better" is a lie and I love the lightness of MP3s and players. But I miss the 12" albums artwork of people like Roger Dean or Hugh Syme. Tiny pictures on CD liners don't compare.
As I said in another post, the 6502 chip in the Apple is out of copyright. $20 computers with low energy use could be produced for the third world using old technology. Bicycles are sufficient for Africa instead of cars, and cheap computers are what's needed, not high end game machines.
@zxcv1234vcxz LPs might sound better- if they're in mint condition with no scratches or wear.
I presume by the 6502 computers for the Third World you mean the Playpower things (which are largely aimed as educational machines for kids)? That's the only one I've heard of. These are a good idea, though of course it would be good to extend the concept to more serious uses as here. And maybe make them available in the First World as well, though I doubt they'd have more than limited appeal.
I had a friend who checked his email on campus with an Apple ][e using the serial port tied into his linux box. I'm sure you could do the same to surf the web without a modem or NIC. Seeing that was just too cool. You have to think that Apple would never had thought that the ][ would ever be used for such things.
@bannedbyMusloons - There is a new device made by the fan community for the Tandy Model 100. It allows direct connection of RAM for storage or connecting the Model 100 to a PC.
I'm interested in your dos version. Could you give me more details? I'm aiming to create an universal bootdisk to work with all DOS games, but the project has pretty much been put on hold because of some issues i had with the guys at MSFN and because i decided to learn more coding before i return to it. Could you give me a hand with some utils? Thx.
Btw, Arachne is a very good DOS web browser, and can display the full Web with images on a 386 and up.
wel, im still in development with my os, but show me some code, what do you use to program it, but heres te problem, i will be off for two months to develop and learn more assembly, but when i come back will be of very good resource for you.
i have yet to get out of real mode. but when i come back we will talk and we can buld one of our own, and you can sho me some code.
Of course, i wouldn't have a original ][ as my primary computer (After all, it'd take 100,000+ 5 1/4 disks just to install firefox, flash and all the games)...Not to mention the problem of transferring files between home and school. Of course, a ]['d be great in my retrocomputing collection.
Also, what i'm trying to say in a nutshell is that although i could use a ][ as my main computer, the impracticality of the whole thing would be insane. a ][ would be on display with my other 2 antique computer systems!
The II and II+ could have as little as 4k of RAM. DOS 3 required at least 32k. Most (if not all) of the DOS 3.3 clones—incl David-DOS (shown in this vid) and DiversiDOS—required 48k. By 1980, 64k was common. Come the mid '80s There was at least one card (involving a 65C816 or 65C802) that supported up to 16 megs of RAM on ANY Apple II. :D
i am useing adt pro to transfer programs to my apple 2e through my cassete in and out jacks but can i get on the internet useing the cassete in and out jacks? does any one know?
It might be possible to use the cassette i/o as a modem, but would be way more trouble than it's worth.
It would make a lot more sense to just use a normal telephone modem. There were at least 2400 b/s internals, and any RS-232C attached external modem (including V.92 units) will work with a SuperSerial or other RS-232C serial port card.
I've been looking for an internet adapter for old apple systems such as the apple 2 and I can not find anything such as eithernet dialup card/adapter. How did you get an apple to system hooked to the internet and what kind of device did you use and also where can I get one of these devices?
I had NO idea that the Apple II could do this! Well, it *was* expandable, so some geek propably came and made an internet card for it. Quoting TupolevTech, You did it, you nerds!
Yeah,I just recently started to upgrade my IIgs,they are suprisingly very expandable..you can even get a compact flash card and use it as and internal hd.There's upgrades to enhance the speed as well.. from 2.8mhz to 50!...Which for today's standards might not seem like much...but when you consider this thing came out in 1986..it's pretty serious.
There definitely is an Apple III. Why don't you use the Internet what it is best used for: search! Enter "Apple III" in a search engine and you'll discover a whole new world!
The Fat Mac was the 512k version of the original (otherwise identical) 128k model.
The Lisa was not a Macintosh—though the two sport very similar user interfaces. Nor is the Mac a descendant of the Lisa; they were developed concurrently (though the Lisa was released first).
This is very cool. First did e-mail on a IIe over 20 some-odd years ago in the mid-80's...I thought more people should've been using e-mail even back then. But this text browser is awesome. Of course, you always could upload and download all kinds of files and programs back then, including those with graphics. But I'd think that even a graphics-based browser for the IIe would be possible, though I have no idea as to the technical aspects or how it would work.
Amazing. Who the hell is writing TCP/IP packet drivers and network drivers for Apple II? Not to mention a friggin' web browser. I want one for my old Apple II.
Network drivers existed in the mid to late 80's. We had two Apple //e's on the test floor that were hooked up to HyperBUS (or Hyperchannel) and I think they connected using an Ethernet 10 card.
Until the company became connected to the internet I could sit at my P.C., manually connect over the network to a modem across the street, dial and log onto a BBS, and send/receive mail and posts.
true, the actual INTERNET didn't come around until 1994, (the same year i was born!:) )
everyone would tell me that back then, the internet was only pictures and text, and simple animations, which would have been just enough for me, but i was only a fetus, so yeah..... Sounded like good times...
The first 2 nodes of the ARPANET were between UCLA and Stanford in Nov 1969, which grew to 4 nodes by Dec, 57 by 1975, and 213 by 1981. The term "Internet" started being used around 1974-75. I think the name was officially adopted in 1982. But 1994? Cute, but the Internet had long been established by then.
No, the internet has been around for 30-40 years, starting out as ARPAnet. The World Wide Web (using a browser to browse web pages) has been around since 1990. Theres no 1994 involved, sadly :P
@ratsouffle - Browsing is only 20 years old, but Telnet has been around since 1969. Telnet, FTP, Gopher and NNTP usenet were as effective for navigating sites (in the original sense) to read and upload or download software as are browsers.
If HTML and web pages had never been invented, internet use may not have spread as widely or as quickly, but it still would have become massively popular.
I know you think it is not possible. But gmail works ok with text based browser (I used it under elinks) so I think there's a very high chance it would work on that apple II too :)
I'm just a bit too young to have experienced the Apple II firsthand (born in 88) but I love seeing aspects of classic computing, and would love an oppertunity to play with something like this. Thanks for the vid.
pikaporeon 4 weeks ago
Thumbs up if after this you went to Apple2.org
luke4090 1 month ago
only a geek could enjoy this ... count me in! thanks!
mariothepookster 2 months ago
Thumbs up if you came here because of steve jobs biography
dinosaurmusicfreak 2 months ago
That is cool! Thanks for sharing!
Decrovis 3 months ago
Web 1.0?
getgot1 3 months ago
Fancy IIe computers with their fancy lowercase letters
bduganify 3 months ago
@oOionzOo Ohhh :D
Wait lol i made that comment 1 year ago?
SHIIIIIIT
GamerMaster2041 3 months ago
I'd like to see porn on this.
freakylocz14 4 months ago
The reflection in the screen keeps creeping me out and makes me feel like there's someone behind me........
cypeapplejuice 4 months ago
I may not be a hardcore vintage computer enthusiast but this is really cool.
selenite1 4 months ago
Now try youtube...
colt45126 4 months ago
Wow. This was how the browsing experience must have been like 20 years ago.
Gunner3210 4 months ago
what kind of hardware did you use to conect your apple ii to ethernet? Is there a network card for applle ii? I have one here, and never have seen one! Thanks.
anonimoculto 4 months ago
Now do tell me, what exactly is Contiki? o.o I'm guessing it's a lightweight OS, but I'm not sure :P Thank you xD
DarkBallYE 4 months ago
contiki dash os dot org
wellivea1 3 months ago
Sorry if I sound like a retard, but what type of connection are you using for the TCP/IP? I assume a dial up modem of some sort? I
nyc14gauge 4 months ago in playlist apple II
"Your a retard". Whose a retard?
VeilReinMidnight 4 months ago
@VeilReinMidnight He bought an "a retard" at Walmart last night, so obviously his a retard.
Gameboygenius 4 months ago
thats a nice ip adress u have there o.o
legobaxter 5 months ago
@legobaxter Yeah, and once you figure out 95% of all the home routers in the world use 192.168.1.0/24 as their address range, you'll figure out your comment was not nearly as clever as you though.
zenkeys 4 months ago
@zenkeys its a creeper quote
legobaxter 4 months ago
@legobaxter Yeah. And?
Gunner3210 4 months ago
@Gunner3210 forget it
legobaxter 4 months ago
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WOOOHOOO!!!! NERDS #LOL !!!!
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animeXfresh 6 months ago
Aww, I wanted to see what would happen if he selected 'view the images now' lol
Download via x-transfer maybe? :P
xiaochicash 6 months ago
My computer is faster than this... not impressed...
mrcoolr429 7 months ago
@mrcoolr429 Your a fucking retard.
superkrazywatermelon 7 months ago
@superkrazywatermelon No your a retard cause i was obviously being sarcastic... and who calls people retards anyway? ten year olds?!...
mrcoolr429 7 months ago
@mrcoolr429 I apologize, I couldnt tell you were being sarcastic since this is the internet.
superkrazywatermelon 7 months ago
Mobile safari is beter :p
aqworlddark893 7 months ago
@appleguy1227 xD You're nice!
KapriJohn 7 months ago
Can it run flash......?
MrBallmer 8 months ago
Can It Run Flash....?
MrBallmer 8 months ago
i wish the new contiki add ascii like that
nathanjames098 10 months ago
btw - this video was recorded in 2003. apple2.org is a regular web site. The contiki browser just ignores all graphics. You can get still get apple II nic's google search for a2retrosystems :)
a2retro 1 year ago
Wow, I wondered if such a thing was possible. I figured that the servers wouldn't even accept such a slow connection, thinking it was from a malfunctioning computer. I see that the website is customized though. What would happen if CNN's website were entered?
Somehow this gives me feelings of despair. But it is really dang cool also!
RpKingman 1 year ago
Does it have support for html5 and css3?
mario250987 1 year ago
@mario250987 Yeah :DDDD
vajksziget7a 1 year ago
Reminds me of the lynx browser for UNIX.
jb0177 1 year ago
Where can you get a NIC for an appleII?
also. How much memory does this use?
jb0177 1 year ago
AWESOME, I'm gonna rig my amiga 1200 up and go online! Inspired
zionsphere 1 year ago
Simply amazing. Could you imagine a completely text based internet? You could probably still perform the most essential activities. Social networking would still be feasible, though far less interesting. You could still read articles online. You'd still be able to use email.
I wonder how much of this the old Apple II could handle if the web was built to be compatible with text based browsers.
poshko41 1 year ago
@poshko41 the web *is* built to be compatible with text based browsers. Any site built with web standards in mind will work just fine.
ricardobeat 1 year ago
@poshko41 - Obviously you've never heard of the Lynx web browser, current version 2.8.7. It runs under DOS and first appeared when Lose3.1 - I mean, Windows 3.1 - was new and Mosaic was the main graphics browser. It still works. Go to [ lynx DOS isc DOT org ] to get a copy.
I used it heavily in college and browsing on FreeNets through Kermit, and still test my webpages on it. A blind guy I know is still using it with a Kurzweil text reader. Graphics are useless to a blind person.
zxcv1234vcxz 1 year ago
wow. Imagine doing email with that? I'll try gmail...
CaptainDarren82 1 year ago
Can you visit youtube with that :D
GamerMaster2041 1 year ago 18
@GamerMaster2041 I'm afraid Apple didn't support flash back then either :P.
elasticweed 3 weeks ago
Can I run this on an emulator?
oneUNITED7SS 1 year ago
a Metro PCS phone is better than that.
WickedV3ng3nc3 1 year ago
@WickedV3ng3nc3 a Metro PCS phone wasn't invented before your mom got her first period.
AceTracer 1 year ago
@AceTracer My moms 52 jackass.
WickedV3ng3nc3 1 year ago
@WickedV3ng3nc3 Ok fine, a Metro PCS phone wasn't invented when your mom was getting banged in high school.
AceTracer 1 year ago
@AceTracer lol she never went jackass.
WickedV3ng3nc3 1 year ago
@WickedV3ng3nc3 That explains a lot.
AceTracer 1 year ago
@AceTracer
Win!
ryzom125 1 year ago
I was so inspired by this video that I decided to get my vic 20 online. Of course I used a terminal emulator to do it but it was an interesting experience.
for anyone whos interested look up the following
vic 20 uses internet.
summer20105707 1 year ago
How good is the network card on this?
Kin632 1 year ago
I know its a gui, but goddamn!!!!
julianbell90 1 year ago
I wonder if Contiki is W3C standards compliant ? :D
ShadowRSonic 1 year ago
i fuckin; hate apple but this was pretty cool
sprucepantherkmt 1 year ago
the unitasking, unflashable ipad/kotex aint much better
sprucepantherkmt 1 year ago
Over the past several days, i have been wondering what the first mac with web capabilities was... I asked the question twice on yahoo answers and i was thinking it was something in the 1996 era, because that's when IE for mac came out. Someone answered that they thought it was the mac plus. I thought that was too old. Now i stumble upon this :D
psychoclown420 1 year ago
@psychoclown420 There was the browsers Cyberdog and MacWeb as well. They ran on System 7 if I remember correctly.
MissSkymin 1 year ago
did you use a modem to do this
danny75461 1 year ago
what vintage is the computer?
198952572 1 year ago
@198952572 read the title of the video ?
madmax2069 1 year ago
@madmax2069 the title only says what kind of computer it is.
198952572 1 year ago
@198952572 Wasn't that what you was asking, or was you asking what version of Apple II it was, like II or IIe or IIc. from what it looks like (a mono screen) its just a Apple II but i could be wrong.
madmax2069 1 year ago
WOOOOOOOOOW!!
it's true :O
Makkek218 1 year ago
Got my Apple II running COD: Modern Warfare 2
umm im joking :P
hitman4567 1 year ago
Monochromatic text only screen for web browsing, the digital equivalent of self flagellation followed by a vow of silence. Why does he feel the need to punish himself?
fortunanike 1 year ago
OMG THAT'S AWESOME!!!
wilkes85 2 years ago 2
This is pretty awesome, but it seems like more of a proof of concept than a useful browser.
Don't get me wrong- I often use text-based browsers such as elinks and they work just fine for me.
However, contiki is even more limited in what pages it can visit. A "contiki compatible" page is not a common thing. It it is probably possible to create a more focused browser rather than complete os that would has better compatibility with most websites.
Now that would be really impressive.
toomanyhobbies42 2 years ago
@toomanyhobbies42 - You should look up what people are trying to do for third world countries.
The MOS 6502 chip design (Apple II, C64, Atari400/800) fell into public domain, and some people are trying to build US$10-20 computers with the 6502 and Contiki. Forget Nicolas Negroponte's overpriced OLPC or the EeePC, a $20 6502 computer with Contiki and a modem could be put in the homes of third world countries - many in India already own TVs, so it could work.
zxcv1234vcxz 1 year ago
@zxcv1234vcxz why do we want ppl in 3rd world countries to have pc's? Would pc's helped us in the wild west? People need to understand that darwinism is the true order of life and ppl in the 3rd world should die off so ppl like us can inhabite their land and properly use their resources, but mankind will never get it. Just keep giving computers and guns to monkeys, see what happens.
itwa5me 1 year ago
love the- [click here to see the images] message....priceless!
craigclanof4 2 years ago
I'd be like "screw the internet" if this is what it was like now
KrazyKuul111 2 years ago
@KrazyKuul111 It's a good thing we didn't say that when 1200 bps was the best we could get, or we wouldn't be having this conversation, and you might actually be reading a book somewhere.
imjinc2k 2 years ago
@KrazyKuul111 - Yeah, right.
A Model T is nothing compared to today's cars, even compared to a 100bhp subcompact. But at a time when everyone was driving a horse and cart, a Model T was an amazing feat. You would have bought a Model T in the 1920s, and you would have bought a DOS PC in 1985 if you had been aware of it then.
I was using computers when it was 300baud (about 28 letters per second, as fast as you can read) and it was great in its time.
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zxcv1234vcxz 1 year ago
strange feeling when i watch this video. quite and simple.
prodigious08 2 years ago
there is another project for the apple gs that also can render images. its a gsos app. to bad i no longer have a gs to test it on being i finnly found a way to send data from a pc to one as well as a site that still sells the 800kb 3.5 floppys as well as the 360kb 5/12 ones. those are disk a apple2 serise can read.
luther349 2 years ago
we're all nerds for watching with amazement and leaving comments lol
miraeja 2 years ago 4
We're nerds and DAMN PROUD OF IT.
tipoomaster 2 years ago 111
hehe yea
ChoclateSailor 2 years ago
@tipoomaster
The Nerd gods are proud of us! +1 for you.
44971719785648751978 8 months ago
@tipoomaster yup
GeminiSon 7 months ago
@miraeja - So what's your point? You talk like this is a problem.
Nobody rags on people being nostalgic for classic cars, vinyl records or 1950s music. What's wrong with being nostalgic for the first generation of home computing?
zxcv1234vcxz 1 year ago 29
@zxcv1234vcxz settle down. go beat your wife or dog... or dog wife
miraeja 1 year ago
@zxcv1234vcxz
Nothing wrong with nostalgia for retro / vintage computing. I was part of the first generation in the 70s and 80s and treasure those times.
EgoShredder 8 months ago
@zxcv1234vcxz
Probably because vinyl records are largely enjoyed by audiophiles....people who feel that vinyl/analog give superior upper bound audio playback compared to digital.
People who listen to 1950s music oftentimes prefer 1950s music due to superior songwriting or the enjoyment of a talented musician. Is it fair to say that Mozart is more appreciable than "In my White T?"
Alternately, I don't see what is making the experience of Apple 2 web browsing more enjoyable, aside from novelty.
Redfingers 3 months ago
@Redfingers - "LPs sound better" is a lie and I love the lightness of MP3s and players. But I miss the 12" albums artwork of people like Roger Dean or Hugh Syme. Tiny pictures on CD liners don't compare.
As I said in another post, the 6502 chip in the Apple is out of copyright. $20 computers with low energy use could be produced for the third world using old technology. Bicycles are sufficient for Africa instead of cars, and cheap computers are what's needed, not high end game machines.
zxcv1234vcxz 3 months ago
@zxcv1234vcxz
You expect me to take you seriously when you say "'LPs sound better' is a lie" when you claim to enjoy MP3s?
MP3s suck. FLAC ftw.
Redfingers 3 months ago
@zxcv1234vcxz LPs might sound better- if they're in mint condition with no scratches or wear.
I presume by the 6502 computers for the Third World you mean the Playpower things (which are largely aimed as educational machines for kids)? That's the only one I've heard of. These are a good idea, though of course it would be good to extend the concept to more serious uses as here. And maybe make them available in the First World as well, though I doubt they'd have more than limited appeal.
thelyniezian 3 months ago
I had a friend who checked his email on campus with an Apple ][e using the serial port tied into his linux box. I'm sure you could do the same to surf the web without a modem or NIC. Seeing that was just too cool. You have to think that Apple would never had thought that the ][ would ever be used for such things.
ducksaregreat15 2 years ago 2
Can a COCO III run Contiki?
6364gg2 2 years ago
this is just nice...:D
taptoepat 2 years ago
ASCII GUI FTW!
jeexbit 2 years ago 39
Internet without any stupid pic ads, cool !
lepivert 2 years ago 4
Amazing. What kind of network interface were you using?
oldhatrs25 2 years ago
They should make a similar product for the Commodore and Tandy Color computer machines as well!
bannedbyMusloons 3 years ago
There's contiki for the C64, works great :)
Even has a working IRC Client.
1337Shockwav3 2 years ago
@bannedbyMusloons - There is a new device made by the fan community for the Tandy Model 100. It allows direct connection of RAM for storage or connecting the Model 100 to a PC.
zxcv1234vcxz 1 year ago
lol you have to type in the ip manually. Try youtube com on that computer.
privateworldofwarft 3 years ago
I don't think you quite got it.
He had to manually enter his IP settings. Not the webpage he tried to access, the DNS worked fine.
Smopiiac 2 years ago
Nice demo:)
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neephius 3 years ago
O.O wow never ever thought that was possible, Having an Classic II
legendofthefox 3 years ago
A Classic II can surf the web as well, you just need a modem or a NIC for it. I've surfed the web with an LC about a month ago.
Scioneer 2 years ago
oh my god havent u ever heard of a computer
axlord12000 3 years ago
That is incredible, my friend. Well done.
dcbandnerd 3 years ago 4
Wow, a 1979 machine (presuming it's a original ][, not a ][+ or ][e) browsing the internet?
64k doing what some thought it took 1gb to do?
Further proof that computers from back then are as versitile as computers nowadays, when it comes to the essentials.
poopskinTheLiar 3 years ago 2
its just cli its ok. my dos i built (assembly can do alot) can do much with just letters
GhostXoP 3 years ago
I'm interested in your dos version. Could you give me more details? I'm aiming to create an universal bootdisk to work with all DOS games, but the project has pretty much been put on hold because of some issues i had with the guys at MSFN and because i decided to learn more coding before i return to it. Could you give me a hand with some utils? Thx.
Btw, Arachne is a very good DOS web browser, and can display the full Web with images on a 386 and up.
uN1Qu3DZ 3 years ago
wel, im still in development with my os, but show me some code, what do you use to program it, but heres te problem, i will be off for two months to develop and learn more assembly, but when i come back will be of very good resource for you.
i have yet to get out of real mode. but when i come back we will talk and we can buld one of our own, and you can sho me some code.
GhostXoP 3 years ago
That's very true - why spend thousands on a modern car when a Model T will get you from point A to point B just as effectively?
BTW the original ][ had WAY less than 64k RAM
sadeviant 3 years ago
Of course, i wouldn't have a original ][ as my primary computer (After all, it'd take 100,000+ 5 1/4 disks just to install firefox, flash and all the games)...Not to mention the problem of transferring files between home and school. Of course, a ]['d be great in my retrocomputing collection.
poopskinTheLiar 3 years ago
Also, what i'm trying to say in a nutshell is that although i could use a ][ as my main computer, the impracticality of the whole thing would be insane. a ][ would be on display with my other 2 antique computer systems!
poopskinTheLiar 3 years ago
The II and II+ could have as little as 4k of RAM. DOS 3 required at least 32k. Most (if not all) of the DOS 3.3 clones—incl David-DOS (shown in this vid) and DiversiDOS—required 48k. By 1980, 64k was common. Come the mid '80s There was at least one card (involving a 65C816 or 65C802) that supported up to 16 megs of RAM on ANY Apple II. :D
ueberRegenbogen 2 years ago
Oops; correction: andy slotted Apple II—which counts out the IIc (but not the Laser 128 (IIc clone) which had a slot on the side).
ueberRegenbogen 2 years ago
i am useing adt pro to transfer programs to my apple 2e through my cassete in and out jacks but can i get on the internet useing the cassete in and out jacks? does any one know?
DRNEGOLICIS 3 years ago
It might be possible to use the cassette i/o as a modem, but would be way more trouble than it's worth.
It would make a lot more sense to just use a normal telephone modem. There were at least 2400 b/s internals, and any RS-232C attached external modem (including V.92 units) will work with a SuperSerial or other RS-232C serial port card.
There are also ethernet cards out there.
ueberRegenbogen 2 years ago
wow, reminds me of surfing the web with a text reader at the library in 1996... but the equipment was more modern than this, of course.
This is amazing! How did you figure out how to do this?
Rock on
whatheavensaid 3 years ago 2
by look'n at that, the Apple II is pretty powerful for a comp made in the 70's.
macosxrules 3 years ago
that was good times...
molas8 3 years ago
I've been looking for an internet adapter for old apple systems such as the apple 2 and I can not find anything such as eithernet dialup card/adapter. How did you get an apple to system hooked to the internet and what kind of device did you use and also where can I get one of these devices?
MickDundee747 3 years ago
can you watch youtube LOL
Pokedude45 3 years ago
Absolutely impressive!!! I didn't know an old ][e could handle this. My mum used to have one of these, but sadly the keyboard stuffed up on it.
wocko1 3 years ago
That was fast! You can use it with DSL?
Spottedear 3 years ago
It is only text, it loads much faster when you don't have to load pictures and all the modern formatting that today's browsers work with.
benjgvps 3 years ago 2
wowo incredible!!!
peteryagami 3 years ago
wow.. this is awesome!
ign74 3 years ago
I made the same with a MSX :P
NapalMSX 3 years ago
I had NO idea that the Apple II could do this! Well, it *was* expandable, so some geek propably came and made an internet card for it. Quoting TupolevTech, You did it, you nerds!
Vyggy 4 years ago 3
Yeah,I just recently started to upgrade my IIgs,they are suprisingly very expandable..you can even get a compact flash card and use it as and internal hd.There's upgrades to enhance the speed as well.. from 2.8mhz to 50!...Which for today's standards might not seem like much...but when you consider this thing came out in 1986..it's pretty serious.
thedelicatespider 4 years ago
lol you should try browsing youtube of myspace on this machine hahaha
coondogtheman1234 4 years ago
was there an apple 1? or was that the lisa thing
thegreatNEb 4 years ago
THE APPLE I WAS MADE IN 1977
Hildron101010 4 years ago
The Lisa is far newer.
Apple 1
Apple II
Apple III
Lisa (fat Mac)
Macintosh
McVaio 4 years ago
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theres no apple 3 ,the were remixes of apple 2s. .
nate9771 3 years ago
There definitely is an Apple III. Why don't you use the Internet what it is best used for: search! Enter "Apple III" in a search engine and you'll discover a whole new world!
McVaio 3 years ago
yes actually there was an apple III it was aimed towards buisness users
awsomeusername94 3 years ago
The Fat Mac was the 512k version of the original (otherwise identical) 128k model.
The Lisa was not a Macintosh—though the two sport very similar user interfaces. Nor is the Mac a descendant of the Lisa; they were developed concurrently (though the Lisa was released first).
ueberRegenbogen 2 years ago
Yeah I was wrong, it was later called the "Macintosh XL", not Fat Mac.
McVaio 2 years ago
That is brilliant.
wisteela 4 years ago
I have to check into this. Might need to set up the legacy system this weekend.
favorunmerited 4 years ago 2
my god! you did it, you nerds! you did it!
TupolevTech 4 years ago
This is very cool. First did e-mail on a IIe over 20 some-odd years ago in the mid-80's...I thought more people should've been using e-mail even back then. But this text browser is awesome. Of course, you always could upload and download all kinds of files and programs back then, including those with graphics. But I'd think that even a graphics-based browser for the IIe would be possible, though I have no idea as to the technical aspects or how it would work.
Bonkoz 4 years ago
terrific
Vyggy 4 years ago
WOW!
samgod 4 years ago
Amazing. Who the hell is writing TCP/IP packet drivers and network drivers for Apple II? Not to mention a friggin' web browser. I want one for my old Apple II.
muskypuckers 4 years ago
Network drivers existed in the mid to late 80's. We had two Apple //e's on the test floor that were hooked up to HyperBUS (or Hyperchannel) and I think they connected using an Ethernet 10 card.
Until the company became connected to the internet I could sit at my P.C., manually connect over the network to a modem across the street, dial and log onto a BBS, and send/receive mail and posts.
favorunmerited 4 years ago
Sweet :)
yaKC 4 years ago
i DIDN'T know the internet was that old. can you IM on that thing to?
avgadget 4 years ago
The Internet is about 30 years old. It used to be called the ARPAnet but that doesn't mean it didn't exist.
samgod 4 years ago
true, the actual INTERNET didn't come around until 1994, (the same year i was born!:) )
everyone would tell me that back then, the internet was only pictures and text, and simple animations, which would have been just enough for me, but i was only a fetus, so yeah..... Sounded like good times...
elportorican 4 years ago
The first 2 nodes of the ARPANET were between UCLA and Stanford in Nov 1969, which grew to 4 nodes by Dec, 57 by 1975, and 213 by 1981. The term "Internet" started being used around 1974-75. I think the name was officially adopted in 1982. But 1994? Cute, but the Internet had long been established by then.
samgod 4 years ago
The term internet appeared at least as early as 1970 (in RFC 60).
ueberRegenbogen 2 years ago
No, the internet has been around for 30-40 years, starting out as ARPAnet. The World Wide Web (using a browser to browse web pages) has been around since 1990. Theres no 1994 involved, sadly :P
ratsouffle 4 years ago
@ratsouffle - Browsing is only 20 years old, but Telnet has been around since 1969. Telnet, FTP, Gopher and NNTP usenet were as effective for navigating sites (in the original sense) to read and upload or download software as are browsers.
If HTML and web pages had never been invented, internet use may not have spread as widely or as quickly, but it still would have become massively popular.
zxcv1234vcxz 1 year ago
very cool stuff, :)
warriorvictor 4 years ago
Amazing! Can i use the Gmail with it?
decapattack 4 years ago
I know you think it is not possible. But gmail works ok with text based browser (I used it under elinks) so I think there's a very high chance it would work on that apple II too :)
takeda64 4 years ago
@decapattack - You can read mail with Pine the same way you could with Pegasus and Eudora or Microshit's LooKOut! (it's going to crash).
zxcv1234vcxz 1 year ago
STUNNING!
haerodinamiko 4 years ago
OMG! Doubted my eyes. Sweetest 6502!
moriyoshi 4 years ago
what was the default OS gor the apple II?
14vidal 5 years ago
If you just booted straight off the ROM, it was Integer BASIC on the original, AppleSoft BASIC on later models.
Disk software typically booted DOS 3.3 or ProDOS.
jakeharvey 5 years ago
MOS 6502 forever
cucho69 5 years ago
some good geekin'
carl201167 5 years ago