Everyone in the world knew who the rightful winners were that night, it was a shame & a disgrace on the IOC's part that this cheating by certain countries still goes on...
This reminds me of Olga Korbut in 72 at the Munich games; when she go the silver in the bars, the crowd booed for 35 minutes & held up the competition,but the judges had a;ready decided the medals & where(which countries) they were going to award them to, this kind of thing has gone on in skating for years, there was a Canadian judge back in the 90's that reported to the CFSA that she was approached, the CFSA fired her, they didn't want to hear about it, this forced all of skating to face it !!
Well this reminds me of Olga Korbut in 72 at the Munich games; when she got silver in the bars, the crowd booed for 35 minutes & held up the competition, but the judges had already decided the medals & where (which countries) they were awarded, this kind of judging has gone on in skating for years, there was a Canadian Judge back in the 90's that reported to the CFSA that she, the CFSA fired her, so even then they didn't want to hear about, this forced all of skating to face it !!
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Oh that spilled milk you mentioned is still around. It soured an entire sport-thanks largely to these 2. Read " Frozen Assets," by Mark Lund and you'll see I'm not the only one who feels that way.Many are World Class Skaters who went on the record w/their remarks.A lean an edge-that's what skating is all about.Scott and Sandra are mentioned as zealots in this book and that's exactly what they were.Just let the announcers decide from now on. They were spoiled sports-sorry.
gold medal skate... to bad the french judge and the other eastern bloc countries spent years ... underminding the system with their trading votes...( like they did in gymnastics so sad).. with the likes of the french ice dance team getting the gold and even that horrible italian ice dance team which got a world championship out of it...
Ils étaient vraiment les meilleurs aux J.O. 2002. Avec Isabelle Brasseur et Lyod Asler, ce sont les meilleurs couples que le Canada a présenté sur la scène mondiale!!!! BRAVO!!
The comments about the Russians (they took such a public beating) and they are/were fantastic; but IF this were in EUROPE _ even if the Russians fell; they'd get the GOLD.
Keep in mind - oh we forget when it's convenient.
The French judge who was hauled up - and YES - THANKS to the AMERICANS!
They had NOTHING to gain; they did not have a pair in the standings. So, for what it was worth: they moved heaven and earth for their northern neighbour.
Controversy aside... irregardless of the placements and medals... irregardless of how B&S skated... irregardless of the drama that brewed after... irregardless of the collision tension...
This was a terrific skate! Beautifully phrased to the music, dramatic, playful, and technically superb. This skate really can stand on its own as one of the greatest skates ever. Just as a performance by itself, I loved it.
Well, by the amount of comments and votings by everyone I can say I am shocked. The number of negative comments favoring the russians speak for itself. Still, when I watched this program I felt the canadians were robbed since the russian pair lost unison and had less passion than the canadians. I think the final decision of awarding a pair of golds was right. If both teams were that well matched, why a tie is not possible. Still, the canadians did it cleanly and the russians did not.
I'm just reading everyone's comments and if any of you actually watched these Olympics what actually happened involved the French judge. Sale and Pelletier were awarded a gold medal in the end along with the Russian pair. Before we start pointing fingers at any particular country (i.e. blaming the US for 'bribing the judges') let's look at the facts and remember what actually happened. They had an excellent performance and I'm glad they were rightly awarded the gold in the end.
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And what actually happened? Russians finished first in very close 5-4 split (they had one more minor mistake so they got lower technical marks but higher marks for presentation than Canadians because their program was more difficult and original)and B&S won the SP .There were many more controvercial results in this sport, enough cases of banning judges but to add champions based on public opinion is just so wrong and ridiculous.
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This was perfect? No. If you don't see the mistakes it doesn't mean they don't exist. BOTH pairs had a bad catch on twist and a throw landed forward. In addition Anton had a step out of the axel (-0.1 in technique) ,David lost the synch on the spins and had an illegal lift which should have been deducted in both marks.
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It was so ridiculous wasn't it. Reminded one of the 2000 presidential election. Just eleminate the judges and let a screaming, shrieking mob along with self righteous announcers decide from now on. Have "flutzes,"instead of " lutzes" Take off on a wrong edge-nobody will know. Why practice and have a perfect program?These quadrennial skating fans are a real pain. Hatula87 is absolutely right.
And hatula87-does anyone remember the CANADIAN Judge placed S&P first in the OP in spite of a stumble? What a shame for B&S that this mob mentality and moronic announcers-Scott had no business saying-during the program-"one more throw and the gold is theirs." And Sandra's ' ' " they FACED their demons! " ' She never mentioned who those demons were. And her ' " Perfect. Absolutely perfect." ' yes? Who designated HER as the great almighty know it all?
Just like Isabelle and Paul Duchesnay that broke ground with the alltime favoured Russian Bolschoi ballet performances in figure skating Jamie and David didn`t go the easy way - the year before they were much mor classic and got therefore obviously higher marks for presentation marks. Jamie is indeed not the type of the "cold ice princess" we are supposed to watch in figure skating. Jamie radiates a god given beauty. Always a pleasure to watch because Jamie inspires, creates and excites.
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i have to say no female pairs skater could surpass the charm and presence of katia gordeeva. she may be russian, but she has never been the classic "cold ice princess" stereotypical of russian champs.
something more people THIS VIDEO WAS PRETTY MUCH POSTED TO BE WATCHED BY THE PEOPLE WHO LIKED THE CANADIANS PERFORMANCE!!! and since we liked the canadians performance, we like to show our suport by posting HERE... so all u guys that think the russians should have won, go back to B&S video and enjoy urself watching it... dont come with all ur hate to bother us... get a life
they got gold at the end... yay!!!... lol... hummm, this is music from the movie "love Story", right?... well i would like to know what is the name of the songs, specially the one that is at the middle of the program (i know its also form that movie), when they do their footwork (like in the movie, playing with the snow)... if someone knows the name i would appreciate it a lot... THANX!!!
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The desicion had nothing to do with the sport neither with justice - a fairy tell made up by USA TV to please the crowd.Stop being so naive and check some facts- French judge didn't cheat more than American or Canadian,she denided cheating officially,S&P got their medal based on "media and an audience not pleased with the results" from ISU declarartion- there was no word about judging or justice or sport.The investigation started TWO monthes later!
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Every person may like or not any performance and Canadian pair was easy to like -their program was lovely. But to make a statements like they were robbed and deserved gold medals more than B&S? "I personally liked it more"- would be much more correct.
So before you write who deserved what learn something about the subject - about the sport ,the skaters,what really happened and not the lies that you saw on TV
well that's ur opinion,but let me tell u that from my point of view S&P should have definitely won, and i would appreciate if u actually stop that against the media, specially WITH ME... b/c u have NO idea of how i came to think what i think... so dont come up with conclusions, cuz in this case u r totally wrong... b/c back in 2002 i was kindda too young to be interested in olympics and media ( i was 12)... i came up to think what the canadian deserved the gold when i watched them...
and the russian (by the way i decided to watch the russians first b/c since i started watching figure skating i always liked the russian school... actually my favorite women's figure skater is russian... Irina Slutskaya... and one of my favorite pairs r Totmianina & Marinin)... after watcing the russians HERE on youtube, i watched the canadians and i thought the canadians had got the gold, i actually got surprised that the didnt get the gold after that performance... so stop with that dumb hate
i know many people have different issues going on against the US, im not going to say its a perfect country, but its a great one... and this whole "US MEDIA's fault" is just s result of that hate... so people stop hating...
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I just wanted to say thank you for your defense of the United States, particularly because I see you're not American. I am and I'm so proud of it. Whenever there's a controversy in any Olympic sport it's always the fault of our media or people claim we bribed the judges. No other country is suspected of foul play as we are; it's sickening and I'm tired of listening to it. I don't mean to whine but hearing lies spouted continuously about my home has made me a bit bitter, I suppose.
I, too, believe S&P should have won from the first. I loved B&S's LP (the music of Meditation from Thais is just sooooo beautiful and the choreography was exquisite!), but they had at least three flaws whereas this one was powerful, dynamic, and PERFECT!!!! I'm glad they both ended up with gold medals, but I think history will write that this was really the Olympic winning performance.
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U r welcome, and i know, the US is always getting criticized for everything, then again it's not a perfect country, and NO other country is either... i think that if people, believes in something or that something is wrong they have the right to express it, not only Americans, but people from all nationalities (including myslef, born in Peru, lived there until may 2006) believed that S&P won... and that was b/c we saw a beautiful performance. period, NO COUNTRIES FAULT... :D
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Oh it wasn't only' " this whole US MEDIA'S Fault." ' Sandra Bezic is Canadian. I'm a proud American. I was NOT proud of the way this event was settled-it wasn't just the US Media but the IOC,ISU ...all playing to the international media along w/S&P. Thank you S&P for the current insane judging system we have in place now.The stretch,the lean,the edges that B&S had in their program were GOLD.Well Canada will get their chance in 2010 in Vancouver. Who knows?Maybe 3 Gold Medals this time around!
@AvaPozen - I'm disgusted that Jamie w/her crocidile tears helped implement a 'new' system that makes no sense.It's even worse now.Almost 1,500 atletes at the top of their game and an entire week is spent on the' happy couple.' BTW-the happy," Love Story" pair are getting a divorce.
One gets credit for "attempting" an element and not completing it?!
At least,as far is known the 2010 medals were earned with superior athleticsm. It would help to know what country you're from.
Jamie and David's program was well-skated and something that they were comfortable with. It sent chills through me, something I didn't get from the Russians at all (I found their program to be bland and boring). There had to be a skating fan anywhere in the world at that time who thought that what went down that night wasn't right at all. It was satisfying to see Jamie and David get the gold they truly deserved and to see justice done
totally agree with u, not saying that the russians r bad, but they just didnt do THIS, i mean, u can tell when someone is skating from his/her heart, cuz u feel it, u get excited with the skater, and they both skated from their heart, they left their heart on the ice, with that performance, i believe that a gold medal isnt enough to thank them for this, yes, thank them, cuz this was a gift, this performance was passion, and romanticism, and love... something that touches u every time u watch it.
I truly believe that the Canadians were better than the Russians. However, that's why we have the new scoring system, so that the judging is quantifiable. At least now we can see in writing where the skaters lost and gained marks. The 2002 scandal was very unfortunate, but the result has been very healthy for figure skating. Hopefully this new system will stop some of this useless bickering. What's done is done. They both won the gold, so we should be happy with that.
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There was a mistake from Anton ,but Russians won with the second mark - most of people don't really get what the second mark is about -basic skating skills,choreography,transitions,unison and body expression - all of these in favor of russians.
and the canadians had it, the had interpretation of the music, had feeling, but even in the technical merit, some marks could have been higher, it was just a way for the corrupt judges to make sure the canadians didnt win... and i dont want to blame just the judges that favored the russians, cuz probably the the ones that favored the canadians did the same to the russians, but still overall, the canadians should have got that gold medal
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Every team out of the top ten had the interpretation of the music and some feeling (?).The marks are given for UNISON,speed,skating skills ,tranzitions, choreography,body lines - Russians were the best there in all of these,including an innovative interpretation of Thais.
I really don't understand what iluvbutters thinking about..!! Sorry but for me it's clear that the canadian won I'm sure that the russian are very good skater too and I don't blame them.. But you know if you look the russian program, you will see the fault that they do and you will know that the canadian have to win... and you know sale and pelletier had their gold medal few day later..!!
Any reason you question my nationality? FYI, I never make stupid comments. Why don't YOU make some comments without injection emotion so that you'd have some credibility and respect from other Youtube users?
If you had a dream to win Olympic Gold. Which program would you skate in your dream? I guarantee that your dream program has no blemish in it. This is why they had such support. Believe it or not, it has nothing to do with citizenship, media, etc. It's just that you choose to blame it on that because you have a prejudice against the country.
How many of the posters here actually follow figure skating?
You would know that this program beat B&S at the grand prix final of that same skating year, earning 5.9 as presentation marks across the board. B.S got some 5.8 in presentation, I believe they made a slight mistake. So same thing happens and suddenly, this program isn't good enough to get 5.9 anymore? Come on.
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How many of the posters know that Tamara Moskvina has changed this program since Gran Prix, and what is more important - IT WAS NEW.Canadians knew they would lose in the second mark with the 2-years old program.
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It's obvious from the comments that Canadians have an inferiority-complex and have used this skating "scandal" as an excuse to say the world is against them. As an American I can attest that true, we don't have the highest respect for Canada, but stop acting like cry-babies and see the truth. The Russians won it fair and square.
well im not north american, im italian, and i still believe that the canadians won... the performance, was clean techniquely, and had such a great feeling, completely sure they won... so dont take it like its a matter of place where u r from, cuz its not... this is about being fair, and being honest, and im pretty sure some judges in that occasion werent
Respect for people, NateTheOkay! Respect for the diversity, the different cultures, languages and opinions. And respect for the long hours all athletes have spent in training so that we can witness performances of this level.
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After hearing the harsh comments by Bezic when the Canadians came in 2nd, I wonder how she would've reacted had Sale had a problem landing a jump & B&S skated cleanly. Would she have justified S&P getting the silver? I think not. She would've excused the error saying Sale had an accidental run-in with Anton practicing on the ice just minutes before her skate. Notice no one in the N.America media pointed out that perhaps Anton was shook-up by the collision & made the small error due of it.
look, the point is, judging corruptions went on for decades, and it was going to be exposed sooner or later. people aren't dumb. they really protected them for olympics and gave others worlds sometimes. but you can go on and on debating over who should have won or not, but corruption was the game. so no point in debating. just discuss about corruption. as for skating during that sad era and old system, we can only tell what were the good performances and ignore the marks most of the time.
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Strange, Mishkutenok & Dmitriev came 2nd to Gordeeva & Grinkov in '94 despite G&G making several errors and there wasn't an uproar about it. The audience did jeer when they heard G&G's high scores, but the N. American media considered the judging to be fair. B&S made an error or 2 and the outcome was as unpopular with the fans but in this case the Canadians were given the gold as well. Some nationalism was involved. FYI, Kwan, Witt, Hamilton were all protected due to their big names.
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Would you rather see a van Gogh painting in which parts of the canvas are not covered, colors are straight from the tube then smudged here and there, or a painting by a painter who could never be as great but whose canvases are covered, smooth, and colors mixed on the palette then put on neatly, then making his paintings look more finished with glazes? The genius is in the stroke, passion, and vision, not neatness. The wrath of tigers are better than horses of instruction. B&S won.
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Look at the transitions and footwork. Their choreography was way too simple compared to B&S's LP. Had they been judged based on the current system, they would've still gotten the silver and there wouldn't have been any bitching from the N. American media.
I just wanted to add that I really think the commentators were far too Over the Top and really too ominous with their comments.They skated beautifully but fate can be a bitch. Throw 3-loop and the gold is theirs? They still had full minute left of the program, and they never heard the saying "it ain't over till it's over"?
I think Bezic was worse than Hamilton. A Canadian, she was clearly biased from the start and made harsh comments when they were awarded the silver. Her comments tinged viewers' view of the outcome. Ironically, under the new system, B&S would still have won the gold. In Russia they quipped, "What would you rather have? A perfect Volvo or a Ferrari with a little dent on it?" Most would prefer the Ferrari.
under the new system, sale and pelletier would have won because 1. their landings and qualities were so sharp while b&s were shaky on a few things plus the double axel error, 2. the artistry and style, which is a big thing in s&p's natural skating
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S landed on one foot and got back into timing for the next jump which he landed perfectly. The difficulty of their routine which includes SPEED, UNISON, transition of movements, and lyricism would've given them the gold. No pair can beat the Russians in artistry and style.
Its unfortunate that a block of judges left a tinge of doubt that this was on of those moments in figure skating history, on par with Torvill and Deans '84 skate. We should have seen 6.0's.
6.0's for this? This program was well skated but choreographically it had too many stops and poses. Far too much skating apart without touching and relatively few moves in the field. Too much of this program was skated on 2 feet They skated cleanly and had terrific expression, but that's not necessarily what the judges count in the presentation mark
well michelle kwan doesnt exactly have that many transition elements, not inculting her, at all, cuz i like her skating a lot... its just that she has a great prescence on the ice, and is capable of bringing the audience to her feet... well this time, the canadians did the same, they got the audience to their feet... and that should have got them 6's
Getting the audience to their feet has no real bearing on either mark. There are reasons why one may agree or disagree with this result,but do not fall into the pattern of using this as the measuring stick.
Brilliant skate! Jamie and David deserved the gold, and B&S should have been stripped of theirs to truly rectify the fact that corruption played into this outcome. Instead, the "Russian streak" continues, which I feel minimizes the truly extraordinary job Jamie & David did. Looking forward to seeing them in Stars on Ice!
Oh really? You thing B&S should have been stripped of their medal?? For what?? They did absolutely nothing!!Why should they be punished?? Get a grip!! Their skating was superior and had more difficulty ALL THE WAY AROUND!!
That's what I said (about being stripped of their medal). I also stated my reason why. I have a grip thanks. If you'll notice, I made my comments without the multiple exclamation marks, caps, etc. Mark it down to a difference of opinion, but I didn't think B&S's was that superior.
A "shit-dump country like Russia" has produced some of the best pairs ever, has won more medals than any other country and its contribution to the sport is enormous. But I doubt an ignorant like you knows anything about figure skating history. Lucky B&S didn't compete under the new judging system, coz they would have won by a larger margin than they did, no controversy whatsoever! Respect please...
Respect russia? I stand by my comment-- if anything, calling it a "shit-dump" is too polite.
I don't care how many figure skating medals they've won; after all, it must be easy racking up the wins when they can get together with their old commie chums in the former soviet bloc and basically pick the winners.
To all you naive idiots out there: the sport has been corrupted for years. Another Canadian (ice dance) pair, Bourne and Kratz, were robbed their entire careers and nothing was done to solve the problem.
The sport has always been dominated by the Russians because they've almost always had a hand in fixing the results. Besides there is indisputable PROOF that the fix was in on this one, so everybody defending the judges here is making themsleves look even more pathetically stupid.
Bourne and Kratz were never robbed of ANYTHING in their careers EVER!! If anything they were held up year after year. winning world medals with falls, getting a top four placement in Nagano despite a horrendous OD. I'm more than willing to admit that certain skaters may have been on the wrong end of the judging panel, but B&K... yeah right!
The fact that the Russians were allowed to keep their medal was a disgrace to not only the sport, but the Olympics in general. It just goes to show that politics outrank pure athletic and technical ability even at an event like this.
I couldn't care less if Russia boycotted. We should have taken the medal away. Who needs a shit-dump country like Russia there anyway?
Well... I don' know if you knew this. The reason why the Canadians were second was because this French judge claimed she was pressured to give the victory to the Russians so the Russian judge would give victory to the French pair in dance competition. So yes, the Russians' program was new, but it wasn't emotional. As for the Canadians, their program was flawless in terms of the technical and the presentation. The Russian will never admit the Canadians were the best.
Amazing...I am so glad that they ended up getting a gold medal also they totally deserved it!! I love all of their programs...they are too cute together...and will make some really cute babies in a few years!!
N.America or not,there was outcry cuz fans had enough,not just S/P's result but for past years.Judging corruptions came out in mid90s when one was tapping their foot as signal.About S/P winning 01 Worlds,they were best,but corruption is also giving worlds to someone else then giving protected ones the Olympics next year.About S/P's "outdated program",Petrenko used the same LP from 90-92.He still won.Who cares about ordinals and votes,judges fixed results for protected ones like russians for yrs.
Petrenko may have reused the program for those seasons, but it remained every bit as competitive, in structure and choreography over those seasons as it was when he first introduced it. S&P's love story was simply not the best program to bring to the Olympics, it lacked the difficult construction of their previous programs.and it lacked the choreography of what was done by Elena and Anton. a five to four split was fair
Here again one part of the deal was to ensure a gold medal for the French ice dancing team, since the Russians knew their team was not going to win, but the Russians also knew that their pairs team could possibly lose to the Canadians. The French judge said she was pressured into voting for the Russians, but later she recanted that she had voted for them to honor this deal. But why mention it unless she felt guilty ?
meanwhile, The French Dancers won on a five to four split ahead of a Russian dance team and they most certainly did not get votes of the eastern bloc. Why mention it? maybe it's because she was being badgered by certain officials who were lobbying for S&P. Saying you were being pressured is not the smae thing as saying you made a deal
Still, I think focusing on the skaters and not on the judges is the problem here. Both teams are great and both skated great programs. I think this was the best pairs' competition I have ever seen, even topping 1994 when GG won gold again. This was the culminaton of the judging scandals that started in Nagano during the ice dancing competition.
BS's program was more difficult, but SP had some very challenging moves also, such as the lifts, every bit as good as the Russian's. Also, unlike many non Russian pairs skaters, SP know how to skate fast. Still, the Russians are more artistic, the Canadians perhaps more athletic. But the sport supports both types of skaters. The Russians have better footwork, the Canadians better spirals. Otherwise, their jumps and throws are about equal.
Funny that no one protested&no one complained when S&P were gifted the gold medal @ the 2001 Worlds! And, of course the crowd were ecstatic! The hall was packed with Canadian fans, plus, you don't expect them to go crazy over Massenet's "Méditation"! Ice skating is more than jumps and spins! Look at B&S skating skill, their lines, their positions, their arms! Mere perfection! Yes, they had some minor flaws, BUT they took much more risk and presented a more innovative and classy program!
I totally agree: the Olympics were held in North America and it's natural the crowd was cheering for Canadians. I read an interview with Rodnina (I guess she knows about pair figure skating more than anybody else) and she said that B/S had a more difficult program and totally deserved their Gold. If you look at each element separately and compare both programs, it's clear that Elena and Anton totally outskated S/P, not to mention their incredible artistity which Canadians always lacked!
The fact is Sale and Pelletier skated flawlessly. Anton and Yelena did not. Thus the Canadians outskated the Russians and deserve the gold medal. Anything less is unfair to the skaters, the fans, and the sport.
a Flawless perfomance does not always mean you should win over one that has faults. The fact is, there was enough merit in the other program to justify the result going the other way.
there were flaws... they were overlooked. illegal lift in the middle where he holds her up by her thighs. and when he threw and caught her it was "caught" she merely landed and he just held her. you're supposed to "catch" her.
And now compare this routine to the Russian program, which had more glaring errors. You're really nit-picking here in order to justify this.
This was as close to perfection as you can get. Anyone who thinks the Russians deserved the gold is kidding themselves. And to let them keep it was a joke and an embarassment.
Strange there's little or no mention of the pairs competion in the '94 olympics. Mishketonok & Dmitriev skated flawlessly both in their SP and LP whereas Gordeeva & Grinkov made errors in both SP & LP yet were awarded the gold. Grinkov bobbled a landing and did a single jump instead of a double in the LP. But the judges felt their technical supremacy in other areas--flow, unison, finess, speed--were enough to edge out M&D.
To be the winner, you must have both the skills and the artistry but also the impact with the audience. Not all have this even if they tried. Sale and Pelletier always had this. Also, skating fans and people have been putting up for years with the judging controversies at world's and olympics and I think this time they weren't going to let this get away. It was bound to happen sooner or later. No co-golds, Sale and Pelletier - GOLD Olympics 2002.
Of course Sale & Pelletier drew the fans and entire building into their performance when the competition was held in Salt Lake,and they are from Canada.Isn't that obvious?It is to me.
This program was flawless in terms of the 6.0 jusdging system. Sale and Pelletier drew the fans and the entire buiding into that performance... something the russians did not do. How many times are commentators scilenced in awe of a performance? However this incident did lead to an implementation of a new system which is great for the sport.
well, if the games were in russia or some other east european country, then everybody would cheer up for russian couple and wouldn't even look on the canadien performance
The French judge ADMITTED to being pressured. If she was so sure that the Russians were first, why admit guilt to anything? Doesn't that cast a shadow of doubt? BTW, the world championships in 2003 were held in the states, and the whole arena was on their feet before Shen and Zhao finished their gold medal program. People in North America know a winning skate when they see it, even if they are from ANOTHER continent.
I think that yes, the Russians did have harder technical skills and I agree with Jamieinwonderland about patriotism, however not on this particular competition. Jamie and David deserved the gold, the program was beautiful and the viewers loved every moment.Although the Russians were really good, it was the Canadians who wowed everyone, which is what skating perfectly is about, not how you can jump the best but still look ugly doing it
Wowing the crowd is and should not be a factor on who wins. If that were the case then Olympic fig. skating will be reduced to exhibition-style programs. S&P's program was a crowd-pleaser but it lacked the difficulty of B&S's program. They weren't in unison for much of their skating: she skated too far from him and they skated on 2 feet. Also, they didn't skate with the same speed of B&S and speed is also a factor in technical merit marks.
Also, does anyone remember the 1994 pairs skate? When Katia and Sergei won gold when Sergei bobbled on his double flip and singled a double, against Natalia and Artur, who had a perfect program? Both pairs were Russian. Where was the controversy?
The Russians did have more than one flaw. She was barely holding the landings the throws and finished the twist on the ground.
Granted, the Canadians had a much easier program. They spent too much time skating apart. However, everything they did was flawless.
I couldn't argue against the B & S result at first. IMO, once you do all the adding and subtracting it's thisclose. I preferred S&P because I think better performance should rate over better choreography. This is a SPORT.
Don't forget, it was the JUDGE who cheated. It wasn't only this one judge behind it. The results could not be allowed to stand. A corrupt mark could not be allowed to stand. The Ref's mark was for S&P, under the rules S&P would have been the sole winners.
I am glad both teams got Gold. NONE of this was their fault. People want to gripe about THEIR behavior? Considering both teams had their dream stolen and were put through hell, their behavior was gracious. Stop blaming the victims!
Ummm, you seem to be a little bit lost on both the story and the rules in SLC. First, The French judge admitted to being pressured by her Fed but she never mentioned any other judge.Second, neither the Referee's marks, nor the substitute judges marks, nor the assitant referee's marks could be used once the results were official.There was no protocol in place for this to occur. Like it or not, the only thing they could do for S&P under the rules was make to them equal
I take it that you agree that there was cheating. My point stands. The cheating voided anything "Official" about the results. We can disagree about the number of corrupt judges. That doesn't matter. It only takes one.
I think that she was presured but ultimately she cast her own vote and had to answer for her results. She should have reported that her Federation head was pressuring her because that may have really called her objectivity into question .She didn't and was suspended for misconduct.Even if you think she cheated without a doubt, there was NO rule that allowed for her marks to be voided nor any other marks to be used in her place. (In particular a Ref's marks couldn't be used)
for your information, "canadians" DID NOT even what you call HOLD their own landing pose. take a look yourself again and you'll see... they don't ever HOLD their landing position.
There was controversy among the fans. The people who knew skating did say, "Now, wait a minute!"
It's true that unfair judging has been going on for years and no one kicked up a fuss. That doesn't mean it was right. It also does not mean that it was ok to cheat in SLC because judges always cheated.
It had been building up for years. SLC was just the breaking point.
When Scott Hamilton was throwing a fit about this, all he showed was Anton's double axel and then comparing the techninal marks. There is more to the techninal mark than just jumps and throws. Lifts, spins, death spiral, foot work, and speed are all a factor in the techninal score.
Don't you realise that patriotism works both ways? Why do you think they awarded Canada gold? Yelena and Anton only had one mistake. He fell out the the double axel, he was back on in 2 seconds. You can also say that Yelena "hung on" to all her throws. Yeah, yeah. You don't dock someone points for landing her throw. Also, they had a more difficult program. Their "difficulty level" was 2 while Elena & Anton's was 4.
-S&P landed all of their jumps cleanly, including a triple toe and a double axel-double toe. B&S did the same jumps, but S stepped out of the double axel.
-S&P executed 4 lifts, including a one arm overhead life with a 1 1/2 twist dismount. B&S performed 4 lifts but with less complex position changes and a simple dismount from overhead.
The whole story is a disgrace to the judges ... These two are the real winners and always will be. The Russians made many mistakes in that performance and did not deserve the Gold. They should feel lucky that they could keep it! Yet, how ungraceful they were about sharing the Gold with Canadians!
Ungraceful? You're kidding, right? And, no, not everyone in the world agreed. Look at some of the comments above. They are all not myself. Have you listened to Irina Rodnina's Russian commentary? She was positive the Russian's deserved gold. She is one of the greatest pairs skaters of all time. Everyone in Russia thought it was crap that everyone here was throwing a fit.
You made me laugh, thanks. Naturally Russia thought it was all crap - have you heard of patriotism? Lets focus on the performance and not nationalities! Canadians MADE NO MISTAKE, Russians MADE SEVERAL. The difference was that evident that the judges were questioned... Yes, the Russians were ungraceful! Review their comments after the announced that the Canadians will be awarded Gold as well. If the judgement was not bodged the Russians would have never got the Gold at a first place. Cheers
everyone in the world? are you kiddin me? you what don't count russia a part of the world or something? (and i bet their more countries who liked elena and anton more) ok, may be the judges don't count how old the programme is, but they deffinatly take a look at a "difficulty level"... oh yeah, and let's just get over it.
Dudes...this is why you ain't judges. Besides, I know they didn't truly win the gold, it was their golden personalities that won. The Russians were all crabby afterwards in their puffy, gay clothing. The canadians were fun to watch and thats why everyone loved them.
I agree. The Russians weren't pleasurable to watch. They were all garish tackiness. The Canadians looked and skated with a simplicity and grace that the Russians did not.
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No it doesn't, all we're saying it that judges usually don't mark older programs as high. They've seen it before, and they aren't impressed that they've come back to an old program that they know inside and out. Compared to a pair with a new program, who had to learn to put everything they had into it.
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Well, yes, it was common back then because the figures were worth so much. 60%. And if you don't remember Petrenko's win was also a controsversy, Paul Wylie was better that night.
It was really close between Wylie and Petrenko though. If Paul had done the combination, it would have made all the difference.
What I am saying about the age of the programs is that you can't deduct for doing something that isn't against the rules and has been done so many times before.
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What if a skater always used the same music? What if Michelle Kwan's long program was always "Salome"? If she came back again and again with the same program, would she have won the Olympics? Hey! According to you, then yes! GO MICHELLE!
If this is supposed to be a fair sport, then what happens the night of the competition is all that counts. The OGM is not a lifetime achievement award. The judges who base marks on anything but that night's competition are corrupt. People who encourage that mentality lessen the sport.
Peggy Fleming skated the same program for most of her Senior career. Petrenko skated Carmen several seasons. It's only relatively recently that skaters started changing programs often.
All the "the program was old" remarks are senseless. You don't judge a competition based on anything but what happened during the performance. Saying the age of the program matters is just an admission that you can't find a GOOD reason for the original results.
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About shizukawa, she skates to VERY different rules than they did. Nowadays all you have to do is finish flawless with enough technicals than others and you should win.
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Pairs need to skate in UNISON NOT just skating IN SYNC but skating together as ONE. Mid of the program, they skate apart for SO long until sale merely taps pelletier on the shoulder. This program offers VERY LITTLE TO WATCH and is not only OLD but very EASY. I've seen them do more difficult and beautiful program, but I don't understand why they chose this. To go safe, probably. Then they have to go whine and bitch to win a gold, how lame.
Just to be clear, they never whined and bitched about not winning - they were classy and humble throughout every press conference and interview after the event. It was the North American skating establishment and news media that went ballistic.
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They were classy about it but she cried on the podium and they played into the scheme to get the gold they wanted--they were on cover of Newsweek and Time when they had the option to decline to be featured and stay quiet.
Not exaclty true. Actually, they were quite hypocritical. While they said they accepted it, they granted interview after interview and did everything in their power to gain sympathy and support. It's the only thing I didn't like about them. They were so insincere about their 'humbleness'. If you think you were robbed(and they definitely did)then say so.
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their illegal lift never mentioned, biased judging from U.S. and Cananda judges nevermentioned, "landing" not "catching" sale from a throw never mentioned. I dunno what's so perfect about their program and the favored judging towards THEM. disgusting...
Complete bs. Illegal, my ass, not catching my ass. The only bias was from the Russians and French CHEATING which you conveniently forget to mention. The Canadians were superior in every way. And, it doesn't matter that it was 'old'. THe judges are supposed to judge what is in front of them. The Canucks ripped it and were robbed by the thieving Russians.
Everyone in the world knew who the rightful winners were that night, it was a shame & a disgrace on the IOC's part that this cheating by certain countries still goes on...
Zelinna12 4 months ago
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This reminds me of Olga Korbut in 72 at the Munich games; when she go the silver in the bars, the crowd booed for 35 minutes & held up the competition,but the judges had a;ready decided the medals & where(which countries) they were going to award them to, this kind of thing has gone on in skating for years, there was a Canadian judge back in the 90's that reported to the CFSA that she was approached, the CFSA fired her, they didn't want to hear about it, this forced all of skating to face it !!
Marchjoy1963 1 year ago
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The new judging system rocks... no more ordinals and cheating.. althought they could remove the eastern block judges for a few years...
jokerwildest 2 years ago 9
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Well this reminds me of Olga Korbut in 72 at the Munich games; when she got silver in the bars, the crowd booed for 35 minutes & held up the competition, but the judges had already decided the medals & where (which countries) they were awarded, this kind of judging has gone on in skating for years, there was a Canadian Judge back in the 90's that reported to the CFSA that she, the CFSA fired her, so even then they didn't want to hear about, this forced all of skating to face it !!
Marchjoy1963 2 years ago
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Thanks for posting the beautiful program!
Bethjoybollywood 2 years ago
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Oh that spilled milk you mentioned is still around. It soured an entire sport-thanks largely to these 2. Read " Frozen Assets," by Mark Lund and you'll see I'm not the only one who feels that way.Many are World Class Skaters who went on the record w/their remarks.A lean an edge-that's what skating is all about.Scott and Sandra are mentioned as zealots in this book and that's exactly what they were.Just let the announcers decide from now on. They were spoiled sports-sorry.
libralady1010 2 years ago
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gold medal skate... to bad the french judge and the other eastern bloc countries spent years ... underminding the system with their trading votes...( like they did in gymnastics so sad).. with the likes of the french ice dance team getting the gold and even that horrible italian ice dance team which got a world championship out of it...
karrtt1234 2 years ago
beautiful performance!!!!!!!!
triciamatsuda 2 years ago
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even if this wasn't "technically" perfect you have to admit it was beautiful and moving to watch.
fashionsleep 3 years ago
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Ils étaient vraiment les meilleurs aux J.O. 2002. Avec Isabelle Brasseur et Lyod Asler, ce sont les meilleurs couples que le Canada a présenté sur la scène mondiale!!!! BRAVO!!
ocicat13 3 years ago 5
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The comments about the Russians (they took such a public beating) and they are/were fantastic; but IF this were in EUROPE _ even if the Russians fell; they'd get the GOLD.
Keep in mind - oh we forget when it's convenient.
The French judge who was hauled up - and YES - THANKS to the AMERICANS!
They had NOTHING to gain; they did not have a pair in the standings. So, for what it was worth: they moved heaven and earth for their northern neighbour.
THANKS!!
62reasons 3 years ago 4
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Controversy aside... irregardless of the placements and medals... irregardless of how B&S skated... irregardless of the drama that brewed after... irregardless of the collision tension...
This was a terrific skate! Beautifully phrased to the music, dramatic, playful, and technically superb. This skate really can stand on its own as one of the greatest skates ever. Just as a performance by itself, I loved it.
(This will probably get a -. LOL!)
juaquino 3 years ago 8
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Well, by the amount of comments and votings by everyone I can say I am shocked. The number of negative comments favoring the russians speak for itself. Still, when I watched this program I felt the canadians were robbed since the russian pair lost unison and had less passion than the canadians. I think the final decision of awarding a pair of golds was right. If both teams were that well matched, why a tie is not possible. Still, the canadians did it cleanly and the russians did not.
espinaca79 3 years ago 2
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I'm just reading everyone's comments and if any of you actually watched these Olympics what actually happened involved the French judge. Sale and Pelletier were awarded a gold medal in the end along with the Russian pair. Before we start pointing fingers at any particular country (i.e. blaming the US for 'bribing the judges') let's look at the facts and remember what actually happened. They had an excellent performance and I'm glad they were rightly awarded the gold in the end.
andrewt06 3 years ago 5
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And what actually happened? Russians finished first in very close 5-4 split (they had one more minor mistake so they got lower technical marks but higher marks for presentation than Canadians because their program was more difficult and original)and B&S won the SP .There were many more controvercial results in this sport, enough cases of banning judges but to add champions based on public opinion is just so wrong and ridiculous.
hatula87 3 years ago
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It was several mistakes andone big one, far from perfect.
This was perfect.
The IOC made the right choice or else the sport would have lost serious credibility.
Plus this skate was better then the Russian, and to deny that it stupid.
Motigflames 3 years ago 6
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This was perfect? No. If you don't see the mistakes it doesn't mean they don't exist. BOTH pairs had a bad catch on twist and a throw landed forward. In addition Anton had a step out of the axel (-0.1 in technique) ,David lost the synch on the spins and had an illegal lift which should have been deducted in both marks.
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aaprato4 3 years ago 5
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It was so ridiculous wasn't it. Reminded one of the 2000 presidential election. Just eleminate the judges and let a screaming, shrieking mob along with self righteous announcers decide from now on. Have "flutzes,"instead of " lutzes" Take off on a wrong edge-nobody will know. Why practice and have a perfect program?These quadrennial skating fans are a real pain. Hatula87 is absolutely right.
libralady1010 2 years ago
And hatula87-does anyone remember the CANADIAN Judge placed S&P first in the OP in spite of a stumble? What a shame for B&S that this mob mentality and moronic announcers-Scott had no business saying-during the program-"one more throw and the gold is theirs." And Sandra's ' ' " they FACED their demons! " ' She never mentioned who those demons were. And her ' " Perfect. Absolutely perfect." ' yes? Who designated HER as the great almighty know it all?
lammfan123 2 years ago
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They weren't awarded the gold they were robbed of it , and had to share it.
yescanto 2 years ago
these people also performed for Andrea Bocelli in Vivo per Lei - they are ice skating to Vivo Per Lei as well! they are beautiful!
leslitatorres 3 years ago
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Just like Isabelle and Paul Duchesnay that broke ground with the alltime favoured Russian Bolschoi ballet performances in figure skating Jamie and David didn`t go the easy way - the year before they were much mor classic and got therefore obviously higher marks for presentation marks. Jamie is indeed not the type of the "cold ice princess" we are supposed to watch in figure skating. Jamie radiates a god given beauty. Always a pleasure to watch because Jamie inspires, creates and excites.
L11ourdes 3 years ago 7
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i have to say no female pairs skater could surpass the charm and presence of katia gordeeva. she may be russian, but she has never been the classic "cold ice princess" stereotypical of russian champs.
zilam98 3 years ago
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Jamie is cold for sure but the one thing she doesn't do is radiate. It's more " don't mess with me or I'll crash into you during the warm-up."
libralady1010 2 years ago
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The ABSOLUTE best and GOLD MEDAL WINNERS for sure :)
azsk8fan 3 years ago 8
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u r totally right... the gold medal winners for sure!!!
luchito345 3 years ago 8
something more people THIS VIDEO WAS PRETTY MUCH POSTED TO BE WATCHED BY THE PEOPLE WHO LIKED THE CANADIANS PERFORMANCE!!! and since we liked the canadians performance, we like to show our suport by posting HERE... so all u guys that think the russians should have won, go back to B&S video and enjoy urself watching it... dont come with all ur hate to bother us... get a life
luchito345 3 years ago
they got gold at the end... yay!!!... lol... hummm, this is music from the movie "love Story", right?... well i would like to know what is the name of the songs, specially the one that is at the middle of the program (i know its also form that movie), when they do their footwork (like in the movie, playing with the snow)... if someone knows the name i would appreciate it a lot... THANX!!!
luchito345 3 years ago
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Yea, they got the gold at the end .With some help from Canadian Federation and American TV.
hatula87 3 years ago
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they got the gold, b/c they DESERVED IT
luchito345 3 years ago 5
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The desicion had nothing to do with the sport neither with justice - a fairy tell made up by USA TV to please the crowd.Stop being so naive and check some facts- French judge didn't cheat more than American or Canadian,she denided cheating officially,S&P got their medal based on "media and an audience not pleased with the results" from ISU declarartion- there was no word about judging or justice or sport.The investigation started TWO monthes later!
hatula87 3 years ago
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Every person may like or not any performance and Canadian pair was easy to like -their program was lovely. But to make a statements like they were robbed and deserved gold medals more than B&S? "I personally liked it more"- would be much more correct.
So before you write who deserved what learn something about the subject - about the sport ,the skaters,what really happened and not the lies that you saw on TV
hatula87 3 years ago
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well that's ur opinion,but let me tell u that from my point of view S&P should have definitely won, and i would appreciate if u actually stop that against the media, specially WITH ME... b/c u have NO idea of how i came to think what i think... so dont come up with conclusions, cuz in this case u r totally wrong... b/c back in 2002 i was kindda too young to be interested in olympics and media ( i was 12)... i came up to think what the canadian deserved the gold when i watched them...
luchito345 3 years ago 11
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and the russian (by the way i decided to watch the russians first b/c since i started watching figure skating i always liked the russian school... actually my favorite women's figure skater is russian... Irina Slutskaya... and one of my favorite pairs r Totmianina & Marinin)... after watcing the russians HERE on youtube, i watched the canadians and i thought the canadians had got the gold, i actually got surprised that the didnt get the gold after that performance... so stop with that dumb hate
luchito345 3 years ago 10
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i know many people have different issues going on against the US, im not going to say its a perfect country, but its a great one... and this whole "US MEDIA's fault" is just s result of that hate... so people stop hating...
luchito345 3 years ago
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I just wanted to say thank you for your defense of the United States, particularly because I see you're not American. I am and I'm so proud of it. Whenever there's a controversy in any Olympic sport it's always the fault of our media or people claim we bribed the judges. No other country is suspected of foul play as we are; it's sickening and I'm tired of listening to it. I don't mean to whine but hearing lies spouted continuously about my home has made me a bit bitter, I suppose.
frostdiamond1 3 years ago
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I, too, believe S&P should have won from the first. I loved B&S's LP (the music of Meditation from Thais is just sooooo beautiful and the choreography was exquisite!), but they had at least three flaws whereas this one was powerful, dynamic, and PERFECT!!!! I'm glad they both ended up with gold medals, but I think history will write that this was really the Olympic winning performance.
frostdiamond1 3 years ago 4
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U r welcome, and i know, the US is always getting criticized for everything, then again it's not a perfect country, and NO other country is either... i think that if people, believes in something or that something is wrong they have the right to express it, not only Americans, but people from all nationalities (including myslef, born in Peru, lived there until may 2006) believed that S&P won... and that was b/c we saw a beautiful performance. period, NO COUNTRIES FAULT... :D
luchito345 3 years ago
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Oh it wasn't only' " this whole US MEDIA'S Fault." ' Sandra Bezic is Canadian. I'm a proud American. I was NOT proud of the way this event was settled-it wasn't just the US Media but the IOC,ISU ...all playing to the international media along w/S&P. Thank you S&P for the current insane judging system we have in place now.The stretch,the lean,the edges that B&S had in their program were GOLD.Well Canada will get their chance in 2010 in Vancouver. Who knows?Maybe 3 Gold Medals this time around!
libralady1010 2 years ago
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Bethjoybollywood 2 years ago
@libralady1010 We had the most gold medals in the 2010 games. You must've been disappointed.
AvaPozen 1 month ago
@AvaPozen - I'm disgusted that Jamie w/her crocidile tears helped implement a 'new' system that makes no sense.It's even worse now.Almost 1,500 atletes at the top of their game and an entire week is spent on the' happy couple.' BTW-the happy," Love Story" pair are getting a divorce.
One gets credit for "attempting" an element and not completing it?!
At least,as far is known the 2010 medals were earned with superior athleticsm. It would help to know what country you're from.
libralady1010 1 month ago
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Jamie and David's program was well-skated and something that they were comfortable with. It sent chills through me, something I didn't get from the Russians at all (I found their program to be bland and boring). There had to be a skating fan anywhere in the world at that time who thought that what went down that night wasn't right at all. It was satisfying to see Jamie and David get the gold they truly deserved and to see justice done
fieldsfan336 4 years ago 10
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totally agree with u, not saying that the russians r bad, but they just didnt do THIS, i mean, u can tell when someone is skating from his/her heart, cuz u feel it, u get excited with the skater, and they both skated from their heart, they left their heart on the ice, with that performance, i believe that a gold medal isnt enough to thank them for this, yes, thank them, cuz this was a gift, this performance was passion, and romanticism, and love... something that touches u every time u watch it.
luchito345 3 years ago 5
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wow the best love story i have ever seen..
justasaying 4 years ago 5
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USA, Canada, Germany, Japan voted #1
Russia, Poland, Ukraine, China, France voted #2'
It's like the Cold War again (just add France to the Communist side)
nuck44 4 years ago 5
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I´m glad they got the gold, they deserved it.
due70 4 years ago 8
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I truly believe that the Canadians were better than the Russians. However, that's why we have the new scoring system, so that the judging is quantifiable. At least now we can see in writing where the skaters lost and gained marks. The 2002 scandal was very unfortunate, but the result has been very healthy for figure skating. Hopefully this new system will stop some of this useless bickering. What's done is done. They both won the gold, so we should be happy with that.
enriqueecsj 4 years ago 5
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There was a mistake from Anton ,but Russians won with the second mark - most of people don't really get what the second mark is about -basic skating skills,choreography,transitions,unison and body expression - all of these in favor of russians.
hatula87 4 years ago
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and the canadians had it, the had interpretation of the music, had feeling, but even in the technical merit, some marks could have been higher, it was just a way for the corrupt judges to make sure the canadians didnt win... and i dont want to blame just the judges that favored the russians, cuz probably the the ones that favored the canadians did the same to the russians, but still overall, the canadians should have got that gold medal
luchito345 3 years ago 7
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Every team out of the top ten had the interpretation of the music and some feeling (?).The marks are given for UNISON,speed,skating skills ,tranzitions, choreography,body lines - Russians were the best there in all of these,including an innovative interpretation of Thais.
hatula87 3 years ago
I really don't understand what iluvbutters thinking about..!! Sorry but for me it's clear that the canadian won I'm sure that the russian are very good skater too and I don't blame them.. But you know if you look the russian program, you will see the fault that they do and you will know that the canadian have to win... and you know sale and pelletier had their gold medal few day later..!!
wetwillow 4 years ago 2
iluvbutters : What a stupid comment! And you must know it...
So your american? :)
EmondRight 4 years ago
Any reason you question my nationality? FYI, I never make stupid comments. Why don't YOU make some comments without injection emotion so that you'd have some credibility and respect from other Youtube users?
iluvbutters 4 years ago 2
If you had a dream to win Olympic Gold. Which program would you skate in your dream? I guarantee that your dream program has no blemish in it. This is why they had such support. Believe it or not, it has nothing to do with citizenship, media, etc. It's just that you choose to blame it on that because you have a prejudice against the country.
trblz20 4 years ago
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How many of the posters here actually follow figure skating?
You would know that this program beat B&S at the grand prix final of that same skating year, earning 5.9 as presentation marks across the board. B.S got some 5.8 in presentation, I believe they made a slight mistake. So same thing happens and suddenly, this program isn't good enough to get 5.9 anymore? Come on.
trblz20 4 years ago 3
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How many of the posters know that Tamara Moskvina has changed this program since Gran Prix, and what is more important - IT WAS NEW.Canadians knew they would lose in the second mark with the 2-years old program.
hatula87 4 years ago
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It's obvious from the comments that Canadians have an inferiority-complex and have used this skating "scandal" as an excuse to say the world is against them. As an American I can attest that true, we don't have the highest respect for Canada, but stop acting like cry-babies and see the truth. The Russians won it fair and square.
iluvbutters 4 years ago
I remember watching this and feeling mad that they didn't win. It was absolutely amazing! (not crying and I'm not Canadian! :P)
Emokoi 4 years ago 2
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But like most of those who sided with the Canadians, you're North American. I'm in the minority in thinking that the Russians won.
iluvbutters 4 years ago
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well im not north american, im italian, and i still believe that the canadians won... the performance, was clean techniquely, and had such a great feeling, completely sure they won... so dont take it like its a matter of place where u r from, cuz its not... this is about being fair, and being honest, and im pretty sure some judges in that occasion werent
luchito345 3 years ago 6
Canada rules.... y'all drool
yvr604 4 years ago
Respect for people, NateTheOkay! Respect for the diversity, the different cultures, languages and opinions. And respect for the long hours all athletes have spent in training so that we can witness performances of this level.
Darkangel127 4 years ago
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After hearing the harsh comments by Bezic when the Canadians came in 2nd, I wonder how she would've reacted had Sale had a problem landing a jump & B&S skated cleanly. Would she have justified S&P getting the silver? I think not. She would've excused the error saying Sale had an accidental run-in with Anton practicing on the ice just minutes before her skate. Notice no one in the N.America media pointed out that perhaps Anton was shook-up by the collision & made the small error due of it.
iluvbutters 4 years ago
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What is better, a flawless Volvo or a Ferrari with a little dent on it?
iluvbutters 4 years ago
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look, the point is, judging corruptions went on for decades, and it was going to be exposed sooner or later. people aren't dumb. they really protected them for olympics and gave others worlds sometimes. but you can go on and on debating over who should have won or not, but corruption was the game. so no point in debating. just discuss about corruption. as for skating during that sad era and old system, we can only tell what were the good performances and ignore the marks most of the time.
lookscudkill 4 years ago 3
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Strange, Mishkutenok & Dmitriev came 2nd to Gordeeva & Grinkov in '94 despite G&G making several errors and there wasn't an uproar about it. The audience did jeer when they heard G&G's high scores, but the N. American media considered the judging to be fair. B&S made an error or 2 and the outcome was as unpopular with the fans but in this case the Canadians were given the gold as well. Some nationalism was involved. FYI, Kwan, Witt, Hamilton were all protected due to their big names.
iluvbutters 4 years ago
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Would you rather see a van Gogh painting in which parts of the canvas are not covered, colors are straight from the tube then smudged here and there, or a painting by a painter who could never be as great but whose canvases are covered, smooth, and colors mixed on the palette then put on neatly, then making his paintings look more finished with glazes? The genius is in the stroke, passion, and vision, not neatness. The wrath of tigers are better than horses of instruction. B&S won.
iluvbutters 4 years ago
They were no painting. Van Gogh is a piece of history, a legend that told stories through his craft.
lookscudkill 4 years ago
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History will say that B&S were superior skaters and won that night.
iluvbutters 4 years ago
I was making an analogy of skating to painting. Do you know what an analogy is?
iluvbutters 4 years ago
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Look at the transitions and footwork. Their choreography was way too simple compared to B&S's LP. Had they been judged based on the current system, they would've still gotten the silver and there wouldn't have been any bitching from the N. American media.
iluvbutters 4 years ago
I just wanted to add that I really think the commentators were far too Over the Top and really too ominous with their comments.They skated beautifully but fate can be a bitch. Throw 3-loop and the gold is theirs? They still had full minute left of the program, and they never heard the saying "it ain't over till it's over"?
escaflowne9282 4 years ago
I do agree with you about wait until the program is over, but he probably said that because they finished all their jumps
LOLGIRL2345 4 years ago
I think Bezic was worse than Hamilton. A Canadian, she was clearly biased from the start and made harsh comments when they were awarded the silver. Her comments tinged viewers' view of the outcome. Ironically, under the new system, B&S would still have won the gold. In Russia they quipped, "What would you rather have? A perfect Volvo or a Ferrari with a little dent on it?" Most would prefer the Ferrari.
iluvbutters 4 years ago
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under the new system, sale and pelletier would have won because 1. their landings and qualities were so sharp while b&s were shaky on a few things plus the double axel error, 2. the artistry and style, which is a big thing in s&p's natural skating
lookscudkill 4 years ago 2
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S landed on one foot and got back into timing for the next jump which he landed perfectly. The difficulty of their routine which includes SPEED, UNISON, transition of movements, and lyricism would've given them the gold. No pair can beat the Russians in artistry and style.
iluvbutters 4 years ago
Its unfortunate that a block of judges left a tinge of doubt that this was on of those moments in figure skating history, on par with Torvill and Deans '84 skate. We should have seen 6.0's.
djn134 4 years ago 2
6.0's for this? This program was well skated but choreographically it had too many stops and poses. Far too much skating apart without touching and relatively few moves in the field. Too much of this program was skated on 2 feet They skated cleanly and had terrific expression, but that's not necessarily what the judges count in the presentation mark
escaflowne9282 4 years ago
well michelle kwan doesnt exactly have that many transition elements, not inculting her, at all, cuz i like her skating a lot... its just that she has a great prescence on the ice, and is capable of bringing the audience to her feet... well this time, the canadians did the same, they got the audience to their feet... and that should have got them 6's
luchito345 3 years ago
Getting the audience to their feet has no real bearing on either mark. There are reasons why one may agree or disagree with this result,but do not fall into the pattern of using this as the measuring stick.
escaflowne9282 3 years ago
Brilliant skate! Jamie and David deserved the gold, and B&S should have been stripped of theirs to truly rectify the fact that corruption played into this outcome. Instead, the "Russian streak" continues, which I feel minimizes the truly extraordinary job Jamie & David did. Looking forward to seeing them in Stars on Ice!
ndirish79 5 years ago 3
Oh really? You thing B&S should have been stripped of their medal?? For what?? They did absolutely nothing!!Why should they be punished?? Get a grip!! Their skating was superior and had more difficulty ALL THE WAY AROUND!!
calipiect 4 years ago
That's what I said (about being stripped of their medal). I also stated my reason why. I have a grip thanks. If you'll notice, I made my comments without the multiple exclamation marks, caps, etc. Mark it down to a difference of opinion, but I didn't think B&S's was that superior.
ndirish79 4 years ago
A "shit-dump country like Russia" has produced some of the best pairs ever, has won more medals than any other country and its contribution to the sport is enormous. But I doubt an ignorant like you knows anything about figure skating history. Lucky B&S didn't compete under the new judging system, coz they would have won by a larger margin than they did, no controversy whatsoever! Respect please...
Darkangel127 5 years ago
Respect russia? I stand by my comment-- if anything, calling it a "shit-dump" is too polite.
I don't care how many figure skating medals they've won; after all, it must be easy racking up the wins when they can get together with their old commie chums in the former soviet bloc and basically pick the winners.
NateTheOkay 4 years ago
Respect any foreign culture, the effort of the athletes who delivered such an amazing performance and finally yourself! Is that too much to ask?
Darkangel127 4 years ago 4
To all you naive idiots out there: the sport has been corrupted for years. Another Canadian (ice dance) pair, Bourne and Kratz, were robbed their entire careers and nothing was done to solve the problem.
The sport has always been dominated by the Russians because they've almost always had a hand in fixing the results. Besides there is indisputable PROOF that the fix was in on this one, so everybody defending the judges here is making themsleves look even more pathetically stupid.
NateTheOkay 5 years ago
Bourne and Kratz were never robbed of ANYTHING in their careers EVER!! If anything they were held up year after year. winning world medals with falls, getting a top four placement in Nagano despite a horrendous OD. I'm more than willing to admit that certain skaters may have been on the wrong end of the judging panel, but B&K... yeah right!
escaflowne9282 4 years ago
This was robbery, fair and simple.
The fact that the Russians were allowed to keep their medal was a disgrace to not only the sport, but the Olympics in general. It just goes to show that politics outrank pure athletic and technical ability even at an event like this.
I couldn't care less if Russia boycotted. We should have taken the medal away. Who needs a shit-dump country like Russia there anyway?
NateTheOkay 5 years ago
Well... I don' know if you knew this. The reason why the Canadians were second was because this French judge claimed she was pressured to give the victory to the Russians so the Russian judge would give victory to the French pair in dance competition. So yes, the Russians' program was new, but it wasn't emotional. As for the Canadians, their program was flawless in terms of the technical and the presentation. The Russian will never admit the Canadians were the best.
fanieli 5 years ago
Amazing...I am so glad that they ended up getting a gold medal also they totally deserved it!! I love all of their programs...they are too cute together...and will make some really cute babies in a few years!!
Lauren2743 5 years ago
The skate was beautiful
mawkified 5 years ago
N.America or not,there was outcry cuz fans had enough,not just S/P's result but for past years.Judging corruptions came out in mid90s when one was tapping their foot as signal.About S/P winning 01 Worlds,they were best,but corruption is also giving worlds to someone else then giving protected ones the Olympics next year.About S/P's "outdated program",Petrenko used the same LP from 90-92.He still won.Who cares about ordinals and votes,judges fixed results for protected ones like russians for yrs.
lookscudkill 5 years ago
Petrenko may have reused the program for those seasons, but it remained every bit as competitive, in structure and choreography over those seasons as it was when he first introduced it. S&P's love story was simply not the best program to bring to the Olympics, it lacked the difficult construction of their previous programs.and it lacked the choreography of what was done by Elena and Anton. a five to four split was fair
escaflowne9282 5 years ago
love story lacked the choreograhpy? I don't know where you have been or what you were watching! it was a story on ice.
lookscudkill 5 years ago
Look at the transitions between movements of both pairs. S&P's transitions are just glides whereas B&S's transitions include some innovative tricks.
iluvbutters 4 years ago
Here again one part of the deal was to ensure a gold medal for the French ice dancing team, since the Russians knew their team was not going to win, but the Russians also knew that their pairs team could possibly lose to the Canadians. The French judge said she was pressured into voting for the Russians, but later she recanted that she had voted for them to honor this deal. But why mention it unless she felt guilty ?
jeffrisone 5 years ago
meanwhile, The French Dancers won on a five to four split ahead of a Russian dance team and they most certainly did not get votes of the eastern bloc. Why mention it? maybe it's because she was being badgered by certain officials who were lobbying for S&P. Saying you were being pressured is not the smae thing as saying you made a deal
escaflowne9282 5 years ago
Still, I think focusing on the skaters and not on the judges is the problem here. Both teams are great and both skated great programs. I think this was the best pairs' competition I have ever seen, even topping 1994 when GG won gold again. This was the culminaton of the judging scandals that started in Nagano during the ice dancing competition.
jeffrisone 5 years ago
BS's program was more difficult, but SP had some very challenging moves also, such as the lifts, every bit as good as the Russian's. Also, unlike many non Russian pairs skaters, SP know how to skate fast. Still, the Russians are more artistic, the Canadians perhaps more athletic. But the sport supports both types of skaters. The Russians have better footwork, the Canadians better spirals. Otherwise, their jumps and throws are about equal.
jeffrisone 5 years ago
Funny that no one protested&no one complained when S&P were gifted the gold medal @ the 2001 Worlds! And, of course the crowd were ecstatic! The hall was packed with Canadian fans, plus, you don't expect them to go crazy over Massenet's "Méditation"! Ice skating is more than jumps and spins! Look at B&S skating skill, their lines, their positions, their arms! Mere perfection! Yes, they had some minor flaws, BUT they took much more risk and presented a more innovative and classy program!
Darkangel127 5 years ago
I totally agree: the Olympics were held in North America and it's natural the crowd was cheering for Canadians. I read an interview with Rodnina (I guess she knows about pair figure skating more than anybody else) and she said that B/S had a more difficult program and totally deserved their Gold. If you look at each element separately and compare both programs, it's clear that Elena and Anton totally outskated S/P, not to mention their incredible artistity which Canadians always lacked!
IneZR 5 years ago
I was about to write the exact same thing musicfan. Jamie and David did their routine perfectly they had NO mistakes. That damn french judge sucks.
WKLvr 5 years ago
My sentiments exactly especially about that Judge.
Stinkyfart 5 years ago
The fact is Sale and Pelletier skated flawlessly. Anton and Yelena did not. Thus the Canadians outskated the Russians and deserve the gold medal. Anything less is unfair to the skaters, the fans, and the sport.
musicfan094 5 years ago
a Flawless perfomance does not always mean you should win over one that has faults. The fact is, there was enough merit in the other program to justify the result going the other way.
escaflowne9282 5 years ago
there were flaws... they were overlooked. illegal lift in the middle where he holds her up by her thighs. and when he threw and caught her it was "caught" she merely landed and he just held her. you're supposed to "catch" her.
stephiesays 5 years ago
And now compare this routine to the Russian program, which had more glaring errors. You're really nit-picking here in order to justify this.
This was as close to perfection as you can get. Anyone who thinks the Russians deserved the gold is kidding themselves. And to let them keep it was a joke and an embarassment.
NateTheOkay 5 years ago
Strange there's little or no mention of the pairs competion in the '94 olympics. Mishketonok & Dmitriev skated flawlessly both in their SP and LP whereas Gordeeva & Grinkov made errors in both SP & LP yet were awarded the gold. Grinkov bobbled a landing and did a single jump instead of a double in the LP. But the judges felt their technical supremacy in other areas--flow, unison, finess, speed--were enough to edge out M&D.
iluvbutters 4 years ago
To be the winner, you must have both the skills and the artistry but also the impact with the audience. Not all have this even if they tried. Sale and Pelletier always had this. Also, skating fans and people have been putting up for years with the judging controversies at world's and olympics and I think this time they weren't going to let this get away. It was bound to happen sooner or later. No co-golds, Sale and Pelletier - GOLD Olympics 2002.
delayedricochet 5 years ago
Of course Sale & Pelletier drew the fans and entire building into their performance when the competition was held in Salt Lake,and they are from Canada.Isn't that obvious?It is to me.
mjlodina 5 years ago 2
This program was flawless in terms of the 6.0 jusdging system. Sale and Pelletier drew the fans and the entire buiding into that performance... something the russians did not do. How many times are commentators scilenced in awe of a performance? However this incident did lead to an implementation of a new system which is great for the sport.
HenriksenD 5 years ago
well, if the games were in russia or some other east european country, then everybody would cheer up for russian couple and wouldn't even look on the canadien performance
briliantpantera 5 years ago
ONLY if they were in Russia. In most other E European countries, the crowd would have gladly cheered for the Canadians.
jeffrisone 5 years ago
The French judge ADMITTED to being pressured. If she was so sure that the Russians were first, why admit guilt to anything? Doesn't that cast a shadow of doubt? BTW, the world championships in 2003 were held in the states, and the whole arena was on their feet before Shen and Zhao finished their gold medal program. People in North America know a winning skate when they see it, even if they are from ANOTHER continent.
chalsr 5 years ago
I think that yes, the Russians did have harder technical skills and I agree with Jamieinwonderland about patriotism, however not on this particular competition. Jamie and David deserved the gold, the program was beautiful and the viewers loved every moment.Although the Russians were really good, it was the Canadians who wowed everyone, which is what skating perfectly is about, not how you can jump the best but still look ugly doing it
LOLGIRL2345 5 years ago
Wowing the crowd is and should not be a factor on who wins. If that were the case then Olympic fig. skating will be reduced to exhibition-style programs. S&P's program was a crowd-pleaser but it lacked the difficulty of B&S's program. They weren't in unison for much of their skating: she skated too far from him and they skated on 2 feet. Also, they didn't skate with the same speed of B&S and speed is also a factor in technical merit marks.
iluvbutters 4 years ago
Ugh Scott Hamilton was so goddamn smug, his cries when he sees the second place ordinals are music to my ears! :-D
escaflowne9282 5 years ago
Also, does anyone remember the 1994 pairs skate? When Katia and Sergei won gold when Sergei bobbled on his double flip and singled a double, against Natalia and Artur, who had a perfect program? Both pairs were Russian. Where was the controversy?
jamieinwonderland 5 years ago
The Russians did have more than one flaw. She was barely holding the landings the throws and finished the twist on the ground.
Granted, the Canadians had a much easier program. They spent too much time skating apart. However, everything they did was flawless.
I couldn't argue against the B & S result at first. IMO, once you do all the adding and subtracting it's thisclose. I preferred S&P because I think better performance should rate over better choreography. This is a SPORT.
lostineuphoria 5 years ago
Don't forget, it was the JUDGE who cheated. It wasn't only this one judge behind it. The results could not be allowed to stand. A corrupt mark could not be allowed to stand. The Ref's mark was for S&P, under the rules S&P would have been the sole winners.
I am glad both teams got Gold. NONE of this was their fault. People want to gripe about THEIR behavior? Considering both teams had their dream stolen and were put through hell, their behavior was gracious. Stop blaming the victims!
lostineuphoria 5 years ago
Ummm, you seem to be a little bit lost on both the story and the rules in SLC. First, The French judge admitted to being pressured by her Fed but she never mentioned any other judge.Second, neither the Referee's marks, nor the substitute judges marks, nor the assitant referee's marks could be used once the results were official.There was no protocol in place for this to occur. Like it or not, the only thing they could do for S&P under the rules was make to them equal
escaflowne9282 5 years ago
I take it that you agree that there was cheating. My point stands. The cheating voided anything "Official" about the results. We can disagree about the number of corrupt judges. That doesn't matter. It only takes one.
lostineuphoria 5 years ago
I think that she was presured but ultimately she cast her own vote and had to answer for her results. She should have reported that her Federation head was pressuring her because that may have really called her objectivity into question .She didn't and was suspended for misconduct.Even if you think she cheated without a doubt, there was NO rule that allowed for her marks to be voided nor any other marks to be used in her place. (In particular a Ref's marks couldn't be used)
escaflowne9282 5 years ago
for your information, "canadians" DID NOT even what you call HOLD their own landing pose. take a look yourself again and you'll see... they don't ever HOLD their landing position.
stephiesays 5 years ago
There was controversy among the fans. The people who knew skating did say, "Now, wait a minute!"
It's true that unfair judging has been going on for years and no one kicked up a fuss. That doesn't mean it was right. It also does not mean that it was ok to cheat in SLC because judges always cheated.
It had been building up for years. SLC was just the breaking point.
lostineuphoria 5 years ago
When Scott Hamilton was throwing a fit about this, all he showed was Anton's double axel and then comparing the techninal marks. There is more to the techninal mark than just jumps and throws. Lifts, spins, death spiral, foot work, and speed are all a factor in the techninal score.
jamieinwonderland 5 years ago
-S&P performed 2 death spirals flawlessly, one circling forward and one circling backward. The spiral by B&S was just as good but they only did one.
-S&P were comfortable executing their triple twist, triple Salchow, and triple loop throws. B&S did the same throws but B skittered on all 3 landings
ndirish79 5 years ago
Don't you realise that patriotism works both ways? Why do you think they awarded Canada gold? Yelena and Anton only had one mistake. He fell out the the double axel, he was back on in 2 seconds. You can also say that Yelena "hung on" to all her throws. Yeah, yeah. You don't dock someone points for landing her throw. Also, they had a more difficult program. Their "difficulty level" was 2 while Elena & Anton's was 4.
jamieinwonderland 5 years ago
Actually...
-S&P landed all of their jumps cleanly, including a triple toe and a double axel-double toe. B&S did the same jumps, but S stepped out of the double axel.
-S&P executed 4 lifts, including a one arm overhead life with a 1 1/2 twist dismount. B&S performed 4 lifts but with less complex position changes and a simple dismount from overhead.
ndirish79 5 years ago
You mean why everyone in North America loved them.
jamieinwonderland 5 years ago
No buddy, everyone in the World ...
The whole story is a disgrace to the judges ... These two are the real winners and always will be. The Russians made many mistakes in that performance and did not deserve the Gold. They should feel lucky that they could keep it! Yet, how ungraceful they were about sharing the Gold with Canadians!
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Josef65 5 years ago
Ungraceful? You're kidding, right? And, no, not everyone in the world agreed. Look at some of the comments above. They are all not myself. Have you listened to Irina Rodnina's Russian commentary? She was positive the Russian's deserved gold. She is one of the greatest pairs skaters of all time. Everyone in Russia thought it was crap that everyone here was throwing a fit.
jamieinwonderland 5 years ago
You made me laugh, thanks. Naturally Russia thought it was all crap - have you heard of patriotism? Lets focus on the performance and not nationalities! Canadians MADE NO MISTAKE, Russians MADE SEVERAL. The difference was that evident that the judges were questioned... Yes, the Russians were ungraceful! Review their comments after the announced that the Canadians will be awarded Gold as well. If the judgement was not bodged the Russians would have never got the Gold at a first place. Cheers
Josef65 5 years ago
Of course ROdnina did-she's totally biased.
zona999 4 years ago
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That's absolutely correct; in fact KATARINA WITT thought the Canadians were the rightful gold medal winners that night, not the Russians.
BelbinAgostoFan 2 years ago
everyone in the world? are you kiddin me? you what don't count russia a part of the world or something? (and i bet their more countries who liked elena and anton more) ok, may be the judges don't count how old the programme is, but they deffinatly take a look at a "difficulty level"... oh yeah, and let's just get over it.
briliantpantera 5 years ago
that's funny
LOLGIRL2345 5 years ago
Dudes...this is why you ain't judges. Besides, I know they didn't truly win the gold, it was their golden personalities that won. The Russians were all crabby afterwards in their puffy, gay clothing. The canadians were fun to watch and thats why everyone loved them.
canadienneshitface 5 years ago
I agree. The Russians weren't pleasurable to watch. They were all garish tackiness. The Canadians looked and skated with a simplicity and grace that the Russians did not.
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libralady1010 2 years ago
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No it doesn't, all we're saying it that judges usually don't mark older programs as high. They've seen it before, and they aren't impressed that they've come back to an old program that they know inside and out. Compared to a pair with a new program, who had to learn to put everything they had into it.
jamieinwonderland 5 years ago
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Well, yes, it was common back then because the figures were worth so much. 60%. And if you don't remember Petrenko's win was also a controsversy, Paul Wylie was better that night.
jamieinwonderland 5 years ago
It was really close between Wylie and Petrenko though. If Paul had done the combination, it would have made all the difference.
What I am saying about the age of the programs is that you can't deduct for doing something that isn't against the rules and has been done so many times before.
lostineuphoria 5 years ago
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What if a skater always used the same music? What if Michelle Kwan's long program was always "Salome"? If she came back again and again with the same program, would she have won the Olympics? Hey! According to you, then yes! GO MICHELLE!
jamieinwonderland 5 years ago
If this is supposed to be a fair sport, then what happens the night of the competition is all that counts. The OGM is not a lifetime achievement award. The judges who base marks on anything but that night's competition are corrupt. People who encourage that mentality lessen the sport.
Peggy Fleming skated the same program for most of her Senior career. Petrenko skated Carmen several seasons. It's only relatively recently that skaters started changing programs often.
lostineuphoria 5 years ago
All the "the program was old" remarks are senseless. You don't judge a competition based on anything but what happened during the performance. Saying the age of the program matters is just an admission that you can't find a GOOD reason for the original results.
lostineuphoria 5 years ago
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Read other people's posts and you'll see plenty of GOOD reasons for the original results.
iluvbutters 4 years ago
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The program is way too simple and OLD, not to mention how slow they are in comparison to Elena and Anton.
IneZR 5 years ago
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About shizukawa, she skates to VERY different rules than they did. Nowadays all you have to do is finish flawless with enough technicals than others and you should win.
stephiesays 5 years ago
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But artistry still counts, which is why Sasha won the SP in 2006 and those marks helped her get past Irina for the silver.
iluvbutters 4 years ago
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Pairs need to skate in UNISON NOT just skating IN SYNC but skating together as ONE. Mid of the program, they skate apart for SO long until sale merely taps pelletier on the shoulder. This program offers VERY LITTLE TO WATCH and is not only OLD but very EASY. I've seen them do more difficult and beautiful program, but I don't understand why they chose this. To go safe, probably. Then they have to go whine and bitch to win a gold, how lame.
stephiesays 5 years ago
Just to be clear, they never whined and bitched about not winning - they were classy and humble throughout every press conference and interview after the event. It was the North American skating establishment and news media that went ballistic.
voodoo4936 5 years ago
Agreed...they were totally classy about it.
ndirish79 5 years ago
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They were classy about it but she cried on the podium and they played into the scheme to get the gold they wanted--they were on cover of Newsweek and Time when they had the option to decline to be featured and stay quiet.
iluvbutters 4 years ago
Not exaclty true. Actually, they were quite hypocritical. While they said they accepted it, they granted interview after interview and did everything in their power to gain sympathy and support. It's the only thing I didn't like about them. They were so insincere about their 'humbleness'. If you think you were robbed(and they definitely did)then say so.
zona999 4 years ago
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their illegal lift never mentioned, biased judging from U.S. and Cananda judges nevermentioned, "landing" not "catching" sale from a throw never mentioned. I dunno what's so perfect about their program and the favored judging towards THEM. disgusting...
stephiesays 5 years ago
Complete bs. Illegal, my ass, not catching my ass. The only bias was from the Russians and French CHEATING which you conveniently forget to mention. The Canadians were superior in every way. And, it doesn't matter that it was 'old'. THe judges are supposed to judge what is in front of them. The Canucks ripped it and were robbed by the thieving Russians.
zona999 4 years ago 2
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Shizuka won when everyone fell. Remember, Sasha fell twice, and she was the silver medalist. All she had to do was skate clean.
jamieinwonderland 5 years ago
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They were awarded a gold medal. That isn't being robbed. And the program was old. It was from 2000.
jamieinwonderland 5 years ago
who cares if it was old...shizuka arakawa won the 2006 o