The Election Must Be Overturned

[Bigone5555J]

@TheBibleIsLame, Only pointing out that the principle of requiring the President be a natural born citizen is ages old, in terms he can understand.

[RollinSoloPiru]

Thank you very much for clearing that up. And they both are US citizens for over 30 years.

PS, luv the videos.

[RollinSoloPiru]

Sorry for being late to the show. I read two pages of your comments, and no one asked anything like this. I was born, raised and never stepped foot out of the US. But both my mother and father are from Haiti. When I am 35, can I ran for President? And if not, do I have to have a child with a female that was born in the US so my kid (Who would be born here in the US.) can ran for President? Please get back to me on this. I would LOVE to know.

[Bigone5555J]

@RollinSoloPiru, Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. If your parents became US citizens prior to your birth then you will be eligible to run for President.

[Angie2343]

@Bigone5555J And unfortunately, my father was a permanent resident at the time I was born; he became a naturalized citizen when I was six years old.

[Bigone5555J]

@Angie2343, So now your hope of becoming President is gone?

[Angie2343]

@Bigone5555J Yep, pretty much nailed it Joe. Besides, it's very hard work. I'd step down before I can throw my hat in the ring because I know I'm not qualified myself, because MY faather was just a legal permanent resident at the time I was born and not yet a citizen. He got naturalized when I was six years old.

[singerbt]

Wait LIMITS isnt a US military base considered to be US soil?

[Bigone5555J]

The US State Department guidelines on immigration 7 FAM 1116.1-4 states, "Despite widespread popular belief, U.S. military installations abroad and U.S.diplomatic or consular facilities are not part of the United States within the meaning of the 14th Amendment. A child born on the premises of such a facility is not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States and does not acquire U.S. citizenship by reason of birth."

[rossdaboss1959]

So are we to put another white man back in the office? Would that make everybody happy? I wonder. If we don't turn to God, we won't be a nation anyway. Jesus is coming back soon and that's what matters.

[Bigone5555J]

You claim our faith should be all that matters, yet you try to make this issue about race? The Constitution requires the President to be a natural born citizen, which Obama clearly is not.

[Bigone5555J]

Deu 17:14-15 " When thou art come unto the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, and shalt possess it, and shalt dwell therein, and shalt say, I will set a king over me, like as all the nations that are about me; Thou shalt in any wise set him king over thee, whom the LORD thy God shall choose: one from among thy brethren shalt thou set king over thee: thou mayest not set a stranger over thee, which is not thy brother."

[almartin77]

Our nation is not built on the rule of law, but only on the "elision" of the rule of law. The Supreme Court will not hear "any" case that would threaten the power of the Federal Reserve Bank and the "globalist elite". That is why so many people rot in prison for refusing to pay the "income tax". The Constitution is clear. No "direct" tax shall be laid unless apportioned among the states. The 16th amendment does not contain the words "direct taxes". The 16th is for "indirect taxes".

[Bigone5555J]

Our nation was built on the rule of law. It is what the liberals have done that has always brought damage.

[almartin77]

I understand completely. The American way of life has been usurped and that is really my point. We are heading head first right into communism. The income tax is the 2nd plank of the communist manifesto and the most dangerous. The Federal Reserve bank is in control of the government including the U.S. Supreme Court.

[almartin77]

The Supreme Court will never hear any case that involves defining the 16th Amendment because the only legal conclusion they could reach is the same one reached in the Stanton case. The court is stacked with fascist puppets.

[TBaker1964]

Obama keeps the media alive with new policies to keep them busy with something to talk about so they'll avoid his birth certificate issue.

[IMPLR1369007]

McCain is a natural born citizen, because he was born to a service member deployed overseas and two U.S. citizens in a military hospital on a U.S. military facility.

[Bigone5555J]

McCain was born in the City of Colon, Panama, which is outside the Canal Zone. The base hospital was built 5 years after McCain was born. Even the law declaring the children born to US citizens in the Canal Zone as US citizens was not passed until John McCain was 11 months old. If you obtain citizenship through the application of an immigration law, then you are not a natural born citizen.

[Bigone5555J]

Current State Department policy:7 FAM 1116.1-4 Not Included in the Meaning of "In the United States" (TL:CON-64; 11-30-95) "Despite widespread popular belief, U.S. military installations abroad and U.S. diplomatic or consular facilities are not part of the United States within the meaning of the 14th Amendment. A child born on the premises of such a facility is not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States and does not acquire U.S. citizenship by reason of birth."

[Bigone5555J]

Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. In other words, they are 2nd generation, US citizens, and can not claim, or be claimed, to be under the jurisdiction of any nation other than the United States.

[Angie2343]

I'm not a full-fledged NBC, BUT my father WAS a permanent resident.

[Angie2343]

I fear for my nation now...

[ChrisCharismaI]

I was under the impression that the Hay—Bunau-Varilla Treaty made the Panama Cane Zone an area that was operated as a US territory. Thus, John McCain would be a natural born citizen, and the Naturalization Act of 1795 would not apply to him. Barack Obama, however, based on the evidence does not appear to be. Barack Obama should not be inaugurated on January 20th.

[Bigone5555J]

In 1937 Congress passed a statute, the Act of Aug. 4, 1937(now codified at 8 U.S.C. § 1403(a)) granting citizenship to any person born in the Canal Zone on or after February 26, 1904 who had at least one U.S. citizen parent. This Act made John McCain a U.S. citizen when he was 11 months old. McCain is not a natural born citizen.

You cannot aquire natural born status, 11 months after you are born. If you are not a natural born citizen, at the moment of your birth, you can never become one.

[yewkalaylee]

Why don't all our servicemen and women, sworn to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution take care of this?

[ConstantLuvSinging]

The servicemen & women who are brave, &

I hope the secret service people too, will step in & do what is right: to preserve, protect & defend the USA Constitution & America against OBAMA & ANY of our gov leaders who have become out of control, corrupt, & insane in many dangerous ways!

This means to get BARRY out of the White House USA Military force might even be needed! PATRIOTS in the government & civilians will come forth & get the job done to get TRAITOR USURPER OBAMA out of AMERICA!

[zyou8er]

I will die happy the day after this happens.

[Angie2343]

Yes, Bigone, the election must be overturned, but now it's only for one side.

[wtchuu]

UPDATE: Wrotnowski case denied at US Supreme Court Dec 15. It is all over. But, what if SCOTUS recognized the merit of Cort/Leo cases, but they did not want to take the hit for deciding an invalid election? But, prefer that the solution be political rather than judicial? So they buy time with an anthrax ploy last week on Wrotnowski case 'til Dec 15. Too late for their action b/c Electoral College now meets. Problem of Obama being qualified can only be solved by Cheney & Congress. Will they? No.

[Bigone5555J]

Both of these cases, were only requesting a stay, of the electors. They have yet to apply for a Writ of Certiorari. They are not over.

[wtchuu]

UPDATE: Donofrio case denied at US Supreme Court - Now, the WROTNOWSKI case was referred to Full Court by Justice SCALIA - Distributed for Conference on Dec 12 - this case concerns "natural born citizen" requirement as stated in US Constitution for President. See: naturalborncitizen(dot)wordpre­ss(dot)com/

[az10101010]

millions of us voted for obama believing someone did their job verifying obama's eligibility and they didn't.. i DEMAND my vote for obama be taken back..041

[4merCIA]

I agree but only a revolution will stop this foreign (Israeli/Zionist) occupation of our government!

[mitch629]

Lol...the really funny thing to me is that all these "intelligent" African-American/Black HUSSEIN Obama supporters that voted for him did so only because they wanted a BLACK President, we all know that and it would be refreshing if just one of you admitted it (wont hold my breath). Here's the punch line Obama-Zombies...you voted for a BI-RACIAL thug & con-man, hi mother was all WHITE/CAUCASIAN. Show the DAMN BC HUSSEIN Obama...and all this controversy stops.

[alancook01]

Georgia is having a do over election for senator, why can't the country have a do over for president? Biden vs. Palin since both are natural born citizens (i hope). President Palin in 2009. I like it :)

[Bigone5555J]

Yes, I hope that Palin can recover from all the false stories, the media ran. The trouble is that once the story is out, true or false it sticks in peoples minds like superglue. You tell them about all the stupid things Obama has said, and they think it was Palin. Most people still think that Obama's father was a goat herder, and that he posted his real Birth Certificate. I think they get their facts from SNL.

[alancook01]

Agreed. I don't know what the solution is there. A lot of liberals will be angry as it is if obama can't be president. It's amazing how many people i've talked to don't care if he's legally allowed to be president. Maybe President Bush just needs to stay in office another four years and we can try this election thing again in 2012 :)

[Bigone5555J]

Yes, or a special election in 2010.

[Lingerfoot]

As of today Dec 1, 2008 any new developments with this?

[Bigone5555J]

Nothing yet. Obama may not even bother to respond to the suit. He is not required to do so. Berg's case will probably get thrown out of Court. He never had the legal standing to bring the case to court to begin with. I honestly think he has been working for Obama.

[Angie2343]

Well, okay. Maybe Alan Keyes should be President.

[Bigone5555J]

At least he met the Constitutional requirements.

[Angie2343]

And at least he is a REAL black man.

[courag1]

Why does it matter? If the person is able to pass a security clearance, and has two legal citizen parents and it born here, why is RACE the primary reason to vote for someone?

[atlantisburning]

Unless you challenge, and overturn, USCS1401 which defined Amendment 14 and what constitutes a "Natural Born American" your argument is not feasible or credible. Please cite legal references that prove me wrong not merely your opinion.

[Bigone5555J]

The 14th Amendment does not use the phrase "natural born".

[atlantisburning]

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Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.

Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national

Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year

These provisions allow the children of military families to be considered natural-born,

[Bigone5555J]

No, they do not. Anyone born outside the borders of the United States, since January 1795, have been only considered as citizens-not natural born.

[atlantisburning]

Not enough space to provide entire UScode S1401 which DEFINES 14th Amendment; so partially:

Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years

Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President. These provisions allow the children of military families to be considered natural-born,

[Bigone5555J]

No, they do not.

[atlantisburning]

. Please note that all amendments become part of the original constitution. 200 years ago when it was written it did not include the Bill of Rights as that was the first amendment. You are saying that if I were to quote from the Bill of Rights I would not be referring to the Constitution when in fact I would be. We are on the same side but in a court of law you would be asked to cite your position and that is all I am asking. You could not merely state It will become clear to you.

[Bigone5555J]

This is what you stated, and falsely claimed as a quote from the Constitution. "All persons born in the United States,

except those not subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S. government (such as children of foreign diplomats) are citizens under the Fourteenth Amendment. Persons born in the United States, and persons born on foreign soil to two U.S. parents, are born American citizens and are classified as citizens at birth under 8 USC 1401." Where are these lines in the Constitution?

[Bigone5555J]

It is clear that you were not quoting the Constitution, but rather a commentary on immigration law. You seem to forget that I am not in a Court of Law. Are you now claiming that I cannot have an original thought? That if I cannot quote from someone else, and cite that reference, that my original thought is not valid, because no one had this thought before me, or if they did it was not recorded for my future reference?

[atlantisburning]

I know when the Constitution was written, thank you. I asked you to cite your former inference. I agree that natural born SHOULD mean as you imply but 8 USC 1401 indicates otherwise. I feel like I am now asking you to do what you are asking of Obama.simply cite your source where the words you formerly stated are provided. Please note that all amendments become part of the original constitution.

[Bigone5555J]

I told you, read the naturalization Acts of 1790 and 1795, and then apply common sense. This is all that I have done. It is clear in the Constitution, that a natural born citizen is not just any citizen. If it was then why use the phrase natural born? Natural born citizens are citizens who have allegiance by birth to only the United States because their parents were US citizens who also had no other allegiance than to the USA.

watch?v=bp2kKNTjH70

[atlantisburning]

My former quote is from the constitution...although the constitution states, "A natural born" it did not qualify or define it as you have done and forwarded to me. I would appreciate you citing your source.

[Bigone5555J]

No you were not quoting the Constitution. The Constitution was written 221 years ago, and did not refer to "8 USC 1401" which was written many years later. If a natural born citizen, is just a citizen, why did the framers bother to use the phrase? A natural born citizen, is someone that is born with allegiance to only the nation in which he was born. Read the first 2 naturalization Acts of 1790 and 1795 and it will become clear to you. It is only common sense.

[atlantisburning]

I believe the following commentary makes clear that John McCain is elegible whereas Obama is not.

All persons born in the United States,

except those not subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S. government (such as children of foreign diplomats) are citizens under the Fourteenth Amendment. Persons born in the United States, and persons born on foreign soil to two U.S. parents, are born American citizens and are classified as citizens at birth under 8 USC 1401.

[Bigone5555J]

McCain is a citizen, but he is NOT a natural born citizen. To be a natural born citizen, you have to be born to 2 US citizens on US soil. In 1937 Congress passed a statute, the Act of Aug. 4, 1937(now codified at 8 U.S.C. § 1403(a)) granting citizenship to any person born in the Canal Zone on or after February 26, 1904 who had at least one U.S. citizen parent. This Act made John McCain a U.S. citizen when he was 11 months old. McCain is not a natural born citizen.

[ladyanimaldr]

HOW CAN OBAMA GET INTO THE U.S. PRESIDENT'S OFFICE WHEN HE CLEARLY IS NOT ELIGIBLE TO GET INTO OFFICE? People MUST protest & have state-wide marches NOW to STOP THIS FRAUD! OBAMA should be put in PRISON for committing felonies on the U.S. GOVERNMENT & the AMERICAN PEOPLE! OBAMA IS NOW HIDING HIS CREDENTIALS & RECORDS BY HAVING ALL OF HIS CREDENTIALS & RECORDS SEALED FROM THE PUBLIC!! OBAMA IS FINANCIALLY BACKED BY TERRORISTS WHO WANT HIM IN THE WHITE HOUSE TO TAKE OVER THE U.S. & WORLD!!

[CArchivist]

Bad news for everyone here. Its been proven beyond a doubt that our new President was indeed born in the United States. He was even born after Hawaii was made a state, so you cannot even use that as justification. So keep saying stuff like he is hiding his documents or that they don't exist does not means its true. So time to get over this myth and move on.

[Bigone5555J]

It does not matter if Obama was born it Hawaii or not. A natural born citizen, is the child of 2 US citizens, born on US soil, holding no citizenship anywhere else except the United States. Obama's father was not a US citizen, so even if he was born in Hawaii, he was born a citizen of the UK/Kenya. He is not a natural born citizen. That is a fact, and there is nothing that can be said or done to change it.

[rambo2700]

President Sarah.

[ladyanimaldr]

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[ladyanimaldr]

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[ObamaSecrets]

Um for one thing, The Panama Canal was part of the US and McCain was born there. Years later, it didn't become part of the U.S anymore. Barack Obama though, isn't a natural born citizen in the U.S

[Bigone5555J]

No so. The canal was operated by the US, but it was never considered part of the United States. In 1937 Congress passed a statute, the Act of Aug. 4, 1937(now codified at 8 U.S.C. § 1403(a)) granting citizenship to any person born in the Canal Zone on or after February 26, 1904 who had at least one

U.S. citizen parent. This Act made John McCain a US citizen when he was 11 months old. McCain is not a natural born citizen.

You cannot aquire natural born status, after you are born.

[lorrainegate]

Seems like Nobody even cares anymore!

So sad!!

[Cecilia0515]

Well, there are 47 comments on this thread. Not that they're all in agreement, but at least some people care!

[IIMoses740II]

Hey Big,

Serious question - mind if I ask what would you say to those who ask the all too obvious & common questions like, "Don't you think the FBI would have said something about it?" in these cases over the constitution & births?

I just see this coming in the future

[Bigone5555J]

If the FBI checks the citizenship of all the candidates, as many contend, perhaps they could explain to me, how Roger Calero got on the ballot, as a cadidate for US President in both 2004 and 2008. He also ran for the US Senate in New York State in 2006. He was born in Nicaragua in 1969. He and his family fled to Los Angeles, CA in 1985. Calero is now a permanent resident alien (holding a green card) since 1990. The fact is many officials are not doing their jobs.

[IIMoses740II]

Simply put - that comment blew my mind. I knew as a society that nations as a whole have not learned from history, but this changes te meaning of the phrase

Thank you - I have been getting that type of reply a lot over the past few weeks

[RSNLGUNRZ]

Usurper Obama

[MrLuigi1968]

I believe McCain is complicit in this, and I believe McCain set up conservatism in his choice of Palin. She was the only one of the 4 who was viciously attacked by the corrupt corporate media. She (conservatism) was falsely labeled as ignorant.

I think we have a crisis at hand, and we can not look to either party for help. The only question remaining is whether or not the SCOTUS is in on this. We will find out shortly.

[muffin1559]

This is very interesting! I have one more thing to add: WE ARE SCREWED!

[Soldier0016]

not even fox news would post the real dirty secrets about obama after all the media works for the government

[Soldier0016]

Bigone5555J i agree 100% the left right parody is a farce it's an illusion this election was planned the whole government was in on it this was staged.

[snowqueendesert]

I agree with you 100% that this election was an Insult, Falsehood, and total distruction, devaluation of what the Founding Fathers of this Country laid the blueprint to many years ago. I can't believe it has come to this point, its so shocking that it takes a persons breath away. BigOne I am a big fan of yours and mean NO disrespect by bringing up the Senate Resolution. Obviously it is one more issue to add to the MOUNTAIN of Obstacles that are holding up Justice and Truth for WE THE PEOPLE.

[elgcpa]

Bigone5555J

You seem to contradict yourself. You reply to one comment that S Res 511 means nothing because the US Senate does not have the power to over ride the Constitution. But then you turn around and refer to a law passed in 1795. How can that law over ride the Constitution?

[Bigone5555J]

The law in 1795, did not over ride the Constitution, it over rided a prior immigration law. It also replaced the same law that was quoted in the Senate resolution. What I'm saying is that the Constitution requires our President to be a natural born citizen. The Senate can not just pick someone, that is not qualified, and declare that he is qualified now, because between March of 1790 and January of 1795, he would have been qualified. We must follow the Constitution.

[elgcpa]

You're correct, we must follow the Constitution. And it does NOT define "natural born citizen", that's the rub. What now?

[Bigone5555J]

Did you not read the comment you responded to? We read the Naturalization Act of 1790, that was written just 3 years after the Constitution, and find that a natural born citizen is the child of US citizens. In 1795, the law was changed, stating that children born to US citizens, outside the USA are only citizens-not natural born. US citizens at the time, were not allowed to hold dual citizenship.

[Bigone5555J]

So after reading these two laws, we find that a natural born citizen, is the child of US citizens, born on US soil, and having no citizenship, loyality, interest or debt to any other country or foreign power. Obama admits that he held UK/Kenyan citizenship until he was 21. He has demonstrated his ties to Kenya, by taking part in Odinga's campaign, while he claimed to be on a fact finding trip in Kenya, as a US Senator. Odinga is a communist and a terrorist, and Obama campaigned for him.

[Cecilia0515]

Absolutely. The Constitution is always the ultimate controlling authority, and the Supreme Court has the last word on its interpretation.

It would be interesting to know the basis for removing the phrase in 1795. But overturning the election based on the Supreme Court's post-election interpretation of an unclear phrase, preventing the inauguration of a President duly elected by the citizens? Not a chance.

[Bigone5555J]

The President is not elected by the people. He is elected by the Electorial College, which meets on Dec 15th, and those votes are not counted until Jan 6th.

[Cecilia0515]

Yes, of course you're right. So I'll change the question. Do you think EITHER the Congress or the Supreme Court would conceivably overturn the results of the election (if it had gone to either Obama or McCain)? The electoral college delegates would have to ignore the results of their states, or the Supremes would have to throw out a candidate based on a new and restrictive interpretation of "natural born." Not a snowball's chance in Hades.

[Bigone5555J]

The Electors are required to check the qualifications of candidates. Not all states require the electors to cast their votes for the candidate that received the popular vote of the public. The question is, will they properly do their job, or will they just tow the party line. Will the Supreme Court follow the law? If they will not, they shouldn't be there.

[elgcpa]

Cecilia0515

I agree with you. I don't think the Supreme Court will overturn the election results. I don't even think they'll touch this case with a 10 foot pole. The Constitution itself does NOT define "natural born citizen". The Supreme Court must define this phrase and then apply this definition going forward.

[MrLuigi1968]

Cecilia0515,

Citizens don't elect the President, they elect the electors.

[snowqueendesert]

In answer to your question, NO I would NOT be happy if the Senate Passed Obama. That wasn't what I was getting at... I was pointing out the Senate although going against Constitution on John McCain REFUSED to do the same for Obama although he was going thru the Exact same thing.

I hear YOU BigOne. So what you are saying is that the Binding Resolution is Nul and Void or that Senate OverStepped their boundaries with John McCain obviously. If this was brought to light SENATE would be in CaCa? YES??

[Bigone5555J]

Yes, I think that the entire election was staged from day one. There has been a movement from the being of our nation, to destroy it's sovereignty. It must happen to bring about the North American Union or a One World Government. What better way than to destroy the Constitution up which our nation is founded, by putting in a President that breaks the very law he has sworn to uphold and protect, no matter who won the election. The Senate knew this when they passed the resolution.

[Cecilia0515]

"putting in a President that breaks the very law" -- are you talking about Obama, Bush, or McCain here? I'd say that Bush/Cheney have ***demonstrably*** broken the law they swore to uphold. Right?

[Bigone5555J]

I was talking about the requirements of the President being a natural born citizen in the video. This video is not about FISA.

[Soldier0016]

your right this election was my final awakening i started to awake while the election was going on but i think this is the new world order presidents are being selected not elected i think both republicans and democrats are really one party and it's adding up.

[Bigone5555J]

Yes, and so many things just don't add up. Obama picks Biden? Biden was low man on the list in the primaries and even stated that was not ready for the job. McCain doesn't even put any energy into the campaign until the last week, and Palin was the only one that really tried to win. Then the media trashes her, all the rumours were untrue, but they are now stuck in everyones memory like glue, and McCain stood silent while they did this.

[courag1]

Hopefully the Supreme Court will overturn the election as there is more than just a Constitutional crisis involved with Obama. He has agendas which are nothing like what the framers intended: communist, socialist and even Sharia Finance.

Sadly I think that there needs to be a literacy requirement for citizens. That citizens which cannot pass a test of general knowledge about the Constitution & our gov't are not qualified to make an informed decision.

[snowqueendesert]

BigOne, I understand what you are saying BUT... Senate PASSED a Binding Resolution to Accept Senator John McCain's Standing as POTUS. This was done Months ago when he was also involved in a court case over his Citizenship. Senate has NOT done the SAME for OBAMA, they had over 3 months prior to Nov 4th since the First Court Case was fied, to do so. NO Senator submitted a Motion to Start proceedings to accept Obama, not even the Dem's. Once again, I understand what has been said Senate Screwed Up

[Bigone5555J]

Yes, I am aware of S Res 511, but the US Senate does not have the power to over ride the Constitution. The Constitution can only be changed by an amendment, that has to be agreed upon in every state of the union. Are you going to be happy if the Senate just passes a resolution stating that Obama can be President?

[Bigone5555J]

Also, in that resolution they refered to the Naturalization Act of 1790, by stating "as evidenced by the First Congress's own statute defining the term `natural born Citizen';", but as I stated in the video, the law they are quoting was repealed and replaced in 1795.

If it is true, as so many contend, that a Military base is US soil, the resolution would not have been needed. Why did 6 Democrats sponsor this resolution? What did THEY gain from it? This election was a farce.

[Cecilia0515]

Close but no ceegar:

An amendment to the United States Constitution must be ratified by three-quarters of either the state legislatures, or of constitutional conventions specially elected in each of the states, before it can come into effect.

[Bigone5555J]

Yes, you are right. My point is that we are not going to amend the Constitution, before the electors meet on Dec 15th.

[Cecilia0515]

That's certainly true. Just speaking practically here, do think it's actually conceivable that the US Supreme Court would overturn an election won by EITHER Obama or McCain based on a new and definitive ruling on the meaning of "natural born?" That's what it would turn on, correct?

[Bigone5555J]

There is no new meaning of natural born required. If you read the Naturalization Act of 1790, it becomes clear that a natural born citizen, was the child of US Citizens, no matter where they were born. In 1795 the law stated that children born outside the USA, were only citizens, and the natural born phrase was dropped. So, a natural born citizen, must be the child of US citizens, that was born in the USA. Remember that the framers just fought a war for independence.

[Bigone5555J]

They did not want to give the highest office, to anyone that might have loyalty to a foreign power. Obama had UK/Kenyan citizenship, until at least his 21st birthday. If he were a natural born citizen, that would not have been so. He also had Indonesian citizenship, by virtue of his adoption by Lolo Soetoro. Read the text of these two laws, the Naturalization Act of 1790 and 1795, and you will gain a better understanding, of the loyality requirements, of citizenship.

[Cecilia0515]

I read both Acts. You are right that the 1790 Act includes a phrase that the 1795 Act does not regarding the status of children born overseas to US parents. But the 1795 Act can't define "natural born" simply by omission of the phrase. Definition of the phrase remains unclear, unless and until it is tested in a case brought before the US Supreme Court. So again, is it conceivable that the court would overturn the election based on a definitive ruling on the meaning of the phrase?

[Bigone5555J]

Did you see what I was talking about, when I spoke of the loyalty required of citizens? There were even residency requirements for an alien father of a child, which if not met, would prevent a child from being considered a citizen, even though he was born here. This is detailed in the 1795 law. It is clear that a natural born citizen, is not just anyone born in the United States.

[Angie2343]

That's true.

[Angie2343]

John wasn't qualified? How can that be?

[Bigone5555J]

Read my above comments. I know. I voted for him too. When I read about all the lawsuits against him, I laughed, but I did not come across the 1795 law until yesterday. The point is that we have a real Constitutional crisis on our hands, and this is really no time to argue about our personal feelings, or party loyalties. The Constitution must be followed, or our nation stands for nothing.

[geargemartin]

when mccain was born. the panama canal zone was a soveriegn territory of the united states. therefore mccain is a natural born citizen of the united states.

[Bigone5555J]

As I ststed above, McCain's Birth Certificate was issued by the Panama Canal Commission. It is printed in English and Spanish. There is no exact location of the birth given, other than Colon, Panama.

[geargemartin]

john mccain is as qualified to be president as anyone born in any sovereign territory of the united states. your conclusions about mccain's qualifications are extraneous at best.

[Bigone5555J]

I voted for him too. When I read about all the lawsuits against him, I laughed, but I did not come across the 1795 law until yesterday. The point is that we have a real Constitutional crisis on our hands, and this is really no time to argue about our personal feelings, or party loyalties. The Constitution must be followed, or our nation stands for nothing.

[geargemartin]

this not personal. i'm being objective. mccains candidacy did not represent a constitutional crisis. but i suppose this argument can go on and on. so lets say i just disagree with your assessment on the validity of mccains qualifications. i just hope no one from the U.S. virgin is. ever runs for president they be subject to the same accusations.

[Bigone5555J]

No, the Naturalization Act of 1795, clearly states "the children of citizens of the United States born out of the limits and jurisdiction of the United States, shall be considered as citizens of the United States."

This replaced the Naturalization Act of 1790, which stated that they "shall be considered as natural born Citizens". After looking at both laws, it becomes clear that a natural born citizen, is born of 2 US citizens on US soil.

[LadyCitizen]

This is very closely worded. Took me a minute to understand the difference. It made me wonder when McCain and Obama were so buddy buddy in a private meeting the other day. We have been used and dummied down I'm afraid. People need to get past the parties and the backing of their candidates, and get to the bottom of this as Americans. Thank you.

[Bigone5555J]

Yes, and now I finally understand, why McCain didn't attack Obama about his citizenship, and why the MSM won't touch the story. They were all in on it.

[LadyCitizen]

I thought the same thing, he didn't seem to care if he won or not. As a soldier I thought he would have had more fight then that. He kept saying 'just to go out there and have fun.' I was a McCain supporter too, and would still vote for him over Obama. But I sometimes think it wouldn't matter who got in. Maybe they are just pawns and figure heads and socialism has been in place for years. But then again, maybe I'm thinking too much. LOL

[Cecilia0515]

I don't think the MSM could be involved in such a conspiracy. It's not that they wouldn't have loved the opportunity to put one over on us -- they're just not competent enough to pull it off.

[Bigone5555J]

LOL the media has been controlled by the CFR since the 1920's. Not competent to pull it off? They already did. Less than 2% of the public even knows there is a problem.

[elgcpa]

Sorry, but the quote you refer to above makes it clear to me that McCain can be President. The quote above states children "born out of the..jurisdiction of the U.S." How is an American military base out of the jurisdiction of the U.S.? It seems to me that McCain was born within the jurisdiction of the U.S. to 2 U.S. citizens. Where am I wrong?

[Bigone5555J]

You seem to have forgotten that McCain lost the election. McCain's Birth Certificate only states he was born in Colon, Panama, and the Certificate was issued by the Panama Canal Commission. It is printed in both English and Spanish. It was not issued by the military.

[reevaluate2008]

Wouldn't a American military base qualify as the jurisdiction of the United States?

[Bigone5555J]

No, I do not believe that is true. Of course the laws that are on the books now, may be quite different. You must remember that John McCain was born in 1936, and we are subject to the laws that were in effect at the time we are born, when it comes to citizenship.

[GivettheGAS]

I was always taught that a military base is considered land of the USA, so if you were born on a military base, you are a natural born citizen. That is something to look into as well. But the real problem is Obama, since there are multiple facets that say he isn't eligible. But you're right, you have to look to the law in place at the time to know if it's legal or not.

[ConservativeStudios]

Obama is an illegitimate 'president and a disgrace.

[CPAsheldon]

This is some good information here and underlines how important this issue is. We need to get this one right for now and for the future so that we all understand what our law is and who can run for President! Should we have a new election or should we allow the DNC to pick another POTUS?

[mfrantom]

First, I will say I was a McCain supporter. Now, Obama's birth is questionable, or maybe he was born in Hawaii. As for McCain, he was born on a U.S. base in Panama. That is considered U.S. soil. to deny him that fact is to slap all military members in the face. The millions that have been born on U.S. bases around the world (including my brother) can not be denied a chance at the Presidency.

[Bigone5555J]

I too, supported John McCain, but the fact is, that to change the Constitution, will require an amendment, that would need to be agreed upon in every state. The founders did not want to risk having to fight another war for independence, by putting someone in power, who might have allegiance to another country, such as Obama, and his ties to the UK, Kenya and Indonesia. In 1795, even if he was born here, he would not have been a citizen, because his father was a foreigner. Remember Obama/Odinga?

[mfrantom]

I agree about your comments on Obama, but I do not believe the Constitution forbids McCain's chance at the Presidency. A U.S. base in a foriegn country is considered U.S. soil. I know. I was raised on one. When I joined the Army, I spent time on one. As children on a military base, we were taught that this was fact.

[Vittorio515]

well John McCain was born to american parents which means he is a natural american by law, and he was also born on a military base....i think

[Raycheetah]

McCain was born in 1936 at Coco Solo Naval Air Station in the Panama Canal Zone. I haven't done the research regarding the territorial status of military bases at that time, so I can't comment with surety on his status as a natural-born citizen.

Obama appears (based on his Indonesian school records) to have been adopted by Lolo Soetoro, which would make him an Indonesian citizen; this also needs to be verified or denied, and must not be forgotten in the push to verify his birthplace. ='[.]'=

[Bigone5555J]

See my comment above, and compare the Naturalization Acts of 1790 and 1795. The 1795 law repealed the law of 1790, and dropped the natural born phrase.

[Vittorio515]

yeah, but if he was Born in a military base that is technically american soil....again, im not sure if he was or not

[Bigone5555J]

No, I do not believe so. A foreign embassy maybe, but, I don't think McCain was born on a military base as we have been told. His Birth Certificate was issued by the "Panama Canal Commission". It is printed in both English and Spanish. It states he was born in Colon, Panama. No exact location of the birth is recorded.

[Vittorio515]

well my Brother was born on a military base in England and he is a natural born citizen, or so it says on all of his documents

[Bigone5555J]

Was he born in 1936? Laws Change.

[Vittorio515]

yes....you are right...i do agree with you, but i dont know what the hell to think anymore

[dobe170]

You are painfully right, and the worst thing is, that our politicians put us there on purpose, possibly expecting all what you have said to happen!

America should be taken back from the bad hands...

dobe

[Soldier0016]

agreed about mccain as well as obama i find it funny how two people born outside of the us were nominated to begin with something is not right with the government

[Bigone5555J]

I agree. No matter who won, the President would not have been qualified according to the Constitution. This was no accident.

[rustygaver]

This country is going to hell in a hand basket! Praise the Lord and Pass the AMMUNITION!!

[MickieW]

I did that, wrote a letter to every justice of the supreme court. I even wrote URGENT IN RED LETTERS ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE LETTER AND AT THE TOP OF THE LETTER.

[Angie2343]

Obama must be stopped! We must call "foul" on this man and his racist wife.

[ObamaLiezEveryday]

Yes PLEASE overturn it. I LIED, I'm a FRAUD & I HOODWINKED every1. I'm a LOSER & A JOKE.

I'm Barack Hussein Obama & I approve this mssg!