TBL is the most generous and genius man in history. He could have dwarfed the Walton's and Gate's in wealth with this powerful program, but he chose to give it to the world for free. He sacrificed wealth for the freedom of information.
TBL is the most generous and genius man in history. He could have dwarfed the Walton's and Gate's in wealth with this powerful program, but he chose to give it to the world for free. He sacrificed wealth for the freedom of information.
TBL is the most generous and genius man in history. He could have dwarfed the Walton's and Gate's in wealth with this powerful program, but he chose to give it to the world for free. He sacrificed wealth for the freedom of information.
simple.. he invented the wheel! as thnksmarter puts it though Tim's generosity in giving the w3 to humankind instead of patenting it like google has enabled us to all benefit.
His brilliance doesn't come from ingenius ideas, it comes from simple but incredibly useful ideas. What he's suggesting in this talk would be tremendously helpful in advancing our society. I personally wish he would have spent more time on the subject of interdisciplinary research because one of the largest barriers to progress in many scientific fields is our focus on very specific professions at the highest levels of mastery. Our scientists train for depth of knowledge with no breadth.
@energysage very true.. it also adds to public confusion when they begin to hear so many varied insights...
I think the future of the scientist will however begin to broaden their knowledges mostly because of the internet and ease of access to content. Self edudcation is the way.. the days of standard institution based learning are over.
My own company is working ways to make interaction through content more easily. Linked Data is all about relevance to the person and their situation
How hard would it have been for WC3 to just include a credible and diverse group of real-world data technology pro's into their dev panel so that you don't get RDF syntax/languages (count 'em folks 3, and none of them sufficiently acceptable) that are in near total disconnect with real world, real web enterprise, commerce, and consumer use mechanics?!
TBL is the most generous and genius man in history. He could have dwarfed the Walton's and Gate's in wealth with this powerful program, but he chose to give it to the world for free. He sacrificed wealth for the freedom of information.
By creating a movement worldwide where everyday people YOU, ME, ENTERPRISE, and through CITIZEN JOURNALISM, USER GENERATED social networking content - all share raw data on the web - i.e. "grassroots stuff" - eventually the government will have to follow suit. Enterprise can share raw data and get their customers to run the business, develop company strategy. Govt can share raw data to get citizen contribution to policy making. Why is everyone always so pessimistic on these things!?
Berners-Lee's point about government and enterprise not wanting to share raw data, because they want to "make a beautiful website for it first..." but isn't it because it exposes so much that government's / enterprises either want to hide; or control how it is used/interpreted?!
There he is the sodding Shyster, selling us out to the UK Govt.
Soft soaping us in the UK with this 'Individual Government Web Page' crap.
It just a Govt database file that's in itself an ID card, that people will have to go to centres and be fingerprint scanned & face recognised & given a ID number to log on.
Web cam CCTV camera in our homes to get access to it.
hate to be negative, but 2 problems: 1 - political/economoical will - we already have contraints of access to ceratin data (videos etc.) due to 'not available in your country' - which is usually caused by companies, authors rights, privacy rights...
2 - data accuracy/reliability - if anyone can add info they have/want to add - not the same thing as if we quote Yale,Harvard,MIT source or someone else who TOOK PROFESSIONAL RESPONSABILITY for the data he/she's putting up on-line
@camilivel Every problem has a solution. I'm sure you have the ability to find someone that has a solution, someone that can produce a solution via appropriate research or perhaps develop one yourself.
Relations(DB Theory) are like tables of data, the terminology used in this talk goes over the heads of uninformed listeners. The whole experience of Web 3.0 for developers will be like having a complete encyclopaedia of information to use. I really like this idea, its terrible having a lot OOP skills and no data to use to create stuff.
There is a lot of data on the web, obviously. The problem is it's on their own "private" site. If you do not know their site you cannot access the data.
This is an extremely interesting idea. One, I hope will be implemented soon. Linked data will benignity everyone and thus provide more data to everyone.
they should put a susbscribe button on the page/video you're currently watching. the linked data idea .... absolutely amazing, just imagine how much clearer everything that's posted on the internet would be. imagine the increase in analysis efficiency ...
Actually, to be more accurate, he didn't, he only invented the World Wide Web and has helped develop Web 2.0 while he is also helping to develop Web 3.0... The internet was already in place in the form of the ARPAnet
Yeah, the net existed before Tim, but it was obscure. He put the widget on the map and invented the technology that revolutionized our world in ways that still haven't played out fully. We may end up with a global meta-government honestly capable of ruling our world equitably mostly because of what Tim invented. As far as I am concerned, his insight was as good as Darwins or Einsteins. It was likely that someone would stumble onto it, but that doesn't detract from the overwhelming significance.
@ananiasacts I think quite the opposite is true. The internet has generally been a threat to the consolidation of power within every country it is used. Using it as a tool for limiting the exchange of data and ideas is possible but extremely difficult due to its inherently democratic nature.
I'm not sure you're disagreeing with me. I think it will ultimately make it harder for governments to get away with as much as they're accustomed to. Case in point, the Iranian election. By meta-government I mean a body with no real power, but the authority of billions of people who are part of it in cyberspace. They're collective buying power is a far more powerful political force than their collective vote. Only the coordination is missing. The connections. Exactly what the net is good at.
@ananiasacts Yes, I simply misinterpreted the meaning of the text given the limited context available in youtube comments. Well there's certainly a huge incentive for both corporate and bureaucratic takeovers of the internet and we have seen efforts to make that happen. The internet and it all of its applications are technologies that can be used for either benevolent or nefarious purposes.
i came to the same conclusion u did about a global meta-government. its either that or a 1984 type scenario... depending on how the next 2 years go. but thats just imho. tell me what u think
@djindox3, First thing Obama did in office was the Open Government Directive, but won't pay off much for a while (opengov com is a good place to participate, anyone can, even foreigners.) I think governments do realize that if they don't create a place where we can audit them ourselves someone else eventually will. And that would be a lot worse.
I'm just hoping that google is just waiting until they are too big to squish to do it themselves. But a needed bit of tech is just not ready.
@djindox3, In just the last two weeks I read an article in the economist (or was it Nature.... can't remember) about how the intelligence community can't use the data they're already drowning in and have major hurdles to overcome. I think the growth rate was 60%/year. Half a million names on the no-fly list.. A Joke. It left me feeling like we're worse off with computers in that one area. If they were using pencils and paper, the Christmas bomber would have been caught before boarding a plane.
the more linked data a system can model, the higher entropic character it will have. Nature favours entropy... and information is entropy
So yes the higher our ability to assimilate data (i.e. linked data) the better chance of us having a successful existence... existence/life is data/information assimilation in one or another.
Bob Kahn and Vint Cerf invented the Transmission Control Protocol (TCP) which moves data on the modern Internet, in 1972 and 1973.
If any two people "invented the Internet," it was Kahn and Cerf - but they have publicly stated that "no one person or group of people" invented the Internet.
The concept of the internet could be said to have been thought of by one person first (probably Berners-Lee) but that's not to say that somebody else would have thought of it anyway.
Anyway, to say that Kahn and Cerf invented the internet is like saying John Logie Baird invented satellite TV.
TCP (Transmission Control Protocol), is a checking protocol for transmission of data across the Internet (Inter connecting networks), it comes from the ARPANET in the early 70s.
Advanced Research Projects Agency Network, for the US government to talk to the military, due to the cold war against the former soviet union, they feared a nuclear fall out, so it became more distributed (the form the net works on now).
Most of us know that the US military invented the internet. The military invented the internet but this Tim invented the world wide web. Larry G. Roberts could be labeled as one of the people who invented the internet because he built its first links: between the University of California and Stanford Research Institute in 1969. Known as ARPANET, the network was gradually expanded to link military, scientific and educational institutions all over the country.
@dinogrower the very internet service that people use is world wide web otherwise internet is just for military use. so we can easily say berners lee invented internet.
@manicdepressive88 not to mention his awesome manly accent .... ;p its like im listening to some fuckface at the library telling me i will get a warning next time if i continue to return the books late....
respect for the man tho! : )) if it wasnt for him i would not be posting this message now.....
@manicdepressive88 I didn't get that. It seemed like he tested for the moment, but, realizing he didn't get the grab, moved smoothly along. that's a very large claim to ask to be reacted to.
@manicdepressive88 I can only imagine he had already had a 30 min satnding ovation amidst several panties being hurled onto the stage and the recording starts after he begins for a second time (or fith) "I invented the world wide web".. that's what must have happened.
Its all good in theory. But the fundamental reason why this will never work because people hang on to their data since they don't want to give up their competitive edge. The only way people make money is through what they can do that no one else can. Corporations make money because they have vast amounts of data that no one else does "competitive edge." Once their data is released their edge over the average person is non existent. Therefore no money!!!
I agree. But there is also a lot of data from the government that is never released. That data really -should- be out there.
And these private corporations also have a lot of obsolete data that they're no longer using, but it's still not out on the web for us to see and use. It's just thrown in the bin, which is really devistating.
@superchan not all work in life is for money...not too that your not right...but there are many people who dream to do things and working as groups can help.
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I understand the topic and the reasoning and I completely agree, but these are corporations making money now, and they aren't going to play ball unfortunately.
Tim needs to work on his presentation skills a bit too. :)
Luckily, Corporations don't matter in distributed networks.
As long as some significant group or groups make use to and contribute to this, it will grow in spite of those against it or in the way of it.
Scientist, mathematicians, academics, hobbyists, developers, designers, and prosumers will make use of the semantic web and linked data. I know I will contribute to it as I become able.
He's really on to something. However, I think institutions are too protective of data. So I don't see how this could be made a reality to the point of usefulness. Too many control freaks.
Doing things faster doesnt make them better at all. TBL was operating in an era when "universal operating systems" were being discussed. Everyone else failed except Apple and Digital Equipment Corporation who had standardised colleges globally on PDP mainframes and Macintosh workstation. Hypertext as we know it was born from a software called Hypercard. Networkable Colour Hypercard was never released ... it became the first browser and the first web-server. Great myth exists on this topic.
I am sorry about that experience, sounds almost like 1984 gone corporate. Gatica, and other filsm have ilustrated this problem. A corporation could be seen as living organism that uses humans as part of the cells that make it work. There is no one human responsible, and most humans on an individual level would agree, but im sure, who ever questioned you... did so because it was his job to do so. About the pig who caused you anger... you should find footage against him.
I recently ended a contract with a company because my atempts to TALK to a male manager with whom I gathered loads of data from would not stop treating me like a toy. He would only provide data if I returned his flirtations. After leaving his office one day, a corporate camera caught my angry expression and muttering under my breath and questioned me. I lost income because I expressed anger on my face. I love data-it's my job, but I am also human. Data can be used to hurt people. beware.
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I intuitively feel that would be adding more complications to an idea that could only gain significant strength if used by the many. Originally, communities have evolved and defined ethics and moral, because it made common sense, now I feel we either have a lawyer babysitting our every move and/or pre-approving our every decision. How can we go about forging simple piece of advice that will make sense to people, and click into the system?
Well, we have much of our data being collected, essentially ..free, and the very ones who collect it wall off their own data.
I'm not sure it's going to be difficult, if presented correctly, to convince the masses that it's a good idea to protect the appropriate access to their data. Of course we all seem fairly comfortable just handing much of it out for free. Knowing the security goes both ways, it could warm enterprise/business/govt up to the idea of "open data".
This is not a suggestion to implement DRM. We're not talking about rights management here, we're talking USE management. There are certain data environments that certain institutions should not have the ability to USE. With a digital access trail, they would leave behind "bread crumbs" that would prevent certain abuses. Also, certain institutions would not be allowed the use of certain types of data unless THEY allow the same access to THEIR data. And even then, use would be limited.
I'm sorry, I should have been specific. DRM is digital RIGHTS management. Typically it is used to control who can access certain data (usually digital media, music, films, etc), when and/or for how long. In this sense, I was pointing out that something like digital USE management would help protect individuals in an open data world. Data tagged and certified, open but APPLIED in a limited sense. (i.e. Your friends and your boss can look at your party pics, but your boss can't use it against you)
If the person trying to contextualize your data attempts to use the data in an inappropriate context, the data is ignored by the cloud and by the legal system/human resources dept./reporter, etc. People could opt out and use the info anyway, but face legal action if the data is used in an unauthorized manner. We'd need something like a data bill of rights and ethics. I'm not all that up to date on related technologies, but I think the ideas are sound.
This could be huge! I can esaily see the value in linking the data about price variations for consumers for exemple. You could tell imediately when a product is overpriced, or where to find the cheapest services/products... it's already happening on the web but there still are walls between the datasources and the effort to build comparison apps is still very high... I'm definitely willing to participate into this... where do we start?
Web 2.0 will change EVERYTHING. IT will be restricted. Web 2.0 is a nightmare. RESEARCH it for yourself if you care anything about free speech, and open communication EASILY accessible by all.
So, web 2.0, OS CMS´s, Wikis, and now Linked Data (Demanding Raw Data to be shared). The point: Sinergy of Making it easier to access relevant information... . I would like to know more about hot to go about linking this data, copyrights in general and its side effect, the end of privacy.
Is the whole talk just pushing people to demand data linking... some reassurance of what the concrete actions promoted here would help.
Copyright will face a huge challenge related to this. (i.e. owning data that is made up of data that should not be owned.. genomic data, etc) And privacy is a huge concern. But 18 minutes just didn't allow for airing of concerns, answers to hard questions. I would PAY for a followup q&a.
Don't waste time posting it seems our comments are censored. I compared Linked Data to Web 2.0 and my comment was removed :|. And don't think of critizing Tim's speech even if you have arguments :(
I wouldn't worry about China (did you compare them to hitler??) when it comes to public data. They already have all that. This will just make the data that is public already accessible, easier to analyze and contextualize. Secret data will remain secret, in the same WAY that it is now. (whatever that implies)
ooo niiicee! i really like the music in this video.. it gives the whole thing a better feeling and makes it more.. um.. i dont wanna say entertaining because it was very entertaining.. but it gave it a little more something .. ya know.
TO ALL THE RETARDED KIDS POSTING STUPID COMMENTS THAT THIS GUY IS NOT THE INVENTOR OF THE WORLD WIDE WEB.
Use the god damn World Wide Web to look it up and you'll come to the factual realization that he IS in fact its inventor. Or you can just continue being a retard which is probably much easier for you.
If he comes up with the concept and design but has to employ the use of others to write code, he's still THE inventor. Do you get it? If not I don't care to take the time to explain this simple concept further.
Nothing will change your opinion because it's just that - an opinion. Your statement was pulled out of thin air with no factual basis whatsoever. It's just how you felt it must be, that he couldn't possibly be the only inventor of the Web based on.......nothing!
Facts can skew the truth. Ever notice one of those situations: "don't bother me with the facts because my mind is already made up?" This is one of those situations. But it takes plain common sense to understand a simple idea; X "invents" the web, an idea that's still in it's infantile stage, and in addition countless other Y's collaborate to bring X's idea, (did I mention its in it's infantile stage?), to life, X, who pulled the idea out of thin air, gets all the credit for Inventing the web?
"...X, who pulled the idea out of thin air, gets all the credit for inventing the web?" - YES. It's a very simple concept of the originator of the idea who then creates the first working (whatever), is the inventor. If others add to that idea, they are simply developing an invention further, not inventing it themselves.
Oh, brilliant answer. Did you forget that the web is still in a process of creation? Do you know what it will look like in 50 years? Does the "inventor" know? Perhaps the inventor can take credit for that vision as well. pfft. This isn't sliced bread we're talking about is it? Knock knock, anybody home?
So with your sub-moronic logic; anything ever invented which is improved upon over time no longer has one 'original' inventor but the very many who add to it through the ages. Clearly you are giving the brilliant answers here. Luckily history is ignoring your 'brilliance' and giving this man his credit. For the continued success of our species please do the responsible thing and do not breed.
It's the same battle between Steve Jobs, Wozniak and Bill Gates for example. We'll never know the truth. The only thing we can rely on are facts, stories and fairytales ;)
I bet not. I don't think anyone can take full credit for the web. Most likely it was the collaboration of many hackers and freaks. he's an arrogant pompous ass for taking full credit.
Don't be ridiculous with your "hackers and freaks" nonsense. This IS the inventor of the Web. He did it here in Geneva. Use the Web and look up the facts before sounding so silly.
New idea every day wow :)
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TBL is the most generous and genius man in history. He could have dwarfed the Walton's and Gate's in wealth with this powerful program, but he chose to give it to the world for free. He sacrificed wealth for the freedom of information.
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TBL is the most generous and genius man in history. He could have dwarfed the Walton's and Gate's in wealth with this powerful program, but he chose to give it to the world for free. He sacrificed wealth for the freedom of information.
Nourycruise 1 month ago
thanks about the video
osama5739 1 month ago
this guy SOOO does not deserve to claim that he invented the worldwide web...
vannevar bush 1945, douglas englebart 1968 both preceded him significantly.
TheQedqubit 3 months ago
@TheQedqubit nah, he actually invented(made) it though, they gave ideas etc :)
omartron 2 months ago
Funny how Tim says "Bing!" almost like the Microsoft Bing! ads, and this was uploaded 15 days before bing.com was unveiled. 2:48
Scripterrific 3 months ago
simple.. he invented the wheel! as thnksmarter puts it though Tim's generosity in giving the w3 to humankind instead of patenting it like google has enabled us to all benefit.
netsight 3 months ago
His brilliance doesn't come from ingenius ideas, it comes from simple but incredibly useful ideas. What he's suggesting in this talk would be tremendously helpful in advancing our society. I personally wish he would have spent more time on the subject of interdisciplinary research because one of the largest barriers to progress in many scientific fields is our focus on very specific professions at the highest levels of mastery. Our scientists train for depth of knowledge with no breadth.
energysage 7 months ago 2
@energysage very true.. it also adds to public confusion when they begin to hear so many varied insights...
I think the future of the scientist will however begin to broaden their knowledges mostly because of the internet and ease of access to content. Self edudcation is the way.. the days of standard institution based learning are over.
My own company is working ways to make interaction through content more easily. Linked Data is all about relevance to the person and their situation
TheTechController 6 months ago
@energysage would help the world work together :)
omartron 2 months ago
Did anyone else think of the Star Trek computer during his speech? 'Cause I know I did.
BriceJF 7 months ago
thanks for the internet, TimBL
xavieramont 11 months ago
All respect paid,
How hard would it have been for WC3 to just include a credible and diverse group of real-world data technology pro's into their dev panel so that you don't get RDF syntax/languages (count 'em folks 3, and none of them sufficiently acceptable) that are in near total disconnect with real world, real web enterprise, commerce, and consumer use mechanics?!
BLived 1 year ago
TBL is the most generous and genius man in history. He could have dwarfed the Walton's and Gate's in wealth with this powerful program, but he chose to give it to the world for free. He sacrificed wealth for the freedom of information.
thnksmarter 1 year ago 45
@thnksmarter awesomeness
nirajchandan 5 months ago
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Ormaaj 1 year ago
@Ormaaj woh interesting. What is your alternative to help computers understand semantics on the web?
VincentBlouin 1 year ago
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Ormaaj 1 year ago
i created redtube hshshhs
kyungsu01 1 year ago
Doesn't he talks and move like a retarded? lol
rozekei 1 year ago
By creating a movement worldwide where everyday people YOU, ME, ENTERPRISE, and through CITIZEN JOURNALISM, USER GENERATED social networking content - all share raw data on the web - i.e. "grassroots stuff" - eventually the government will have to follow suit. Enterprise can share raw data and get their customers to run the business, develop company strategy. Govt can share raw data to get citizen contribution to policy making. Why is everyone always so pessimistic on these things!?
jkdb 1 year ago
Berners-Lee's point about government and enterprise not wanting to share raw data, because they want to "make a beautiful website for it first..." but isn't it because it exposes so much that government's / enterprises either want to hide; or control how it is used/interpreted?!
jkdb 1 year ago
"We want the raw unadulterated data" - Have you considered they don't want you to have the raw data...
puddingpimp 1 year ago
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ThailandLawyer 1 year ago
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vastell 1 year ago
There he is the sodding Shyster, selling us out to the UK Govt.
Soft soaping us in the UK with this 'Individual Government Web Page' crap.
It just a Govt database file that's in itself an ID card, that people will have to go to centres and be fingerprint scanned & face recognised & given a ID number to log on.
Web cam CCTV camera in our homes to get access to it.
STUFF the bloody scheme, it's Fascism.
It'll be the end of our freedoms.
Bloody traitor Berners-Lee.
It's the mark of the Beast.
blastarrbollaxIII 1 year ago
@blastarrbollaxIII they got to him, yes..... look how 'confident' the man is with his amazing speech and movements.......
sebaz1982 1 year ago
hate to be negative, but 2 problems: 1 - political/economoical will - we already have contraints of access to ceratin data (videos etc.) due to 'not available in your country' - which is usually caused by companies, authors rights, privacy rights...
2 - data accuracy/reliability - if anyone can add info they have/want to add - not the same thing as if we quote Yale,Harvard,MIT source or someone else who TOOK PROFESSIONAL RESPONSABILITY for the data he/she's putting up on-line
camilivel 2 years ago
@camilivel Every problem has a solution. I'm sure you have the ability to find someone that has a solution, someone that can produce a solution via appropriate research or perhaps develop one yourself.
RosenzweigBenjamin2 1 year ago
Relations(DB Theory) are like tables of data, the terminology used in this talk goes over the heads of uninformed listeners. The whole experience of Web 3.0 for developers will be like having a complete encyclopaedia of information to use. I really like this idea, its terrible having a lot OOP skills and no data to use to create stuff.
javonoUTube 2 years ago
There is a lot of data on the web, obviously. The problem is it's on their own "private" site. If you do not know their site you cannot access the data.
This is an extremely interesting idea. One, I hope will be implemented soon. Linked data will benignity everyone and thus provide more data to everyone.
This is what I consider Web 2.0.
RuinsofHatred 2 years ago
Hail communism & sharing! Data, for starters, then we can share income and I'll be a partial owner of your land & houses, comarades. ;)
z0nt21 2 years ago
Communism is a system of government using committee driven entities to control different segments of state. You are very misguided.
javonoUTube 2 years ago
so U don't like the idea, comrade? :) what's the contra-proposal?
camilivel 2 years ago
they should put a susbscribe button on the page/video you're currently watching. the linked data idea .... absolutely amazing, just imagine how much clearer everything that's posted on the internet would be. imagine the increase in analysis efficiency ...
nestemata 2 years ago
Just remember history when you go to put "all your data" on the web.
stevenredwards 2 years ago
"Invented the Internet". Wow that would be pretty cool to put on your resume!
reqqingcrew 2 years ago 14
Actually, to be more accurate, he didn't, he only invented the World Wide Web and has helped develop Web 2.0 while he is also helping to develop Web 3.0... The internet was already in place in the form of the ARPAnet
Anantko 2 years ago
Yeah, the net existed before Tim, but it was obscure. He put the widget on the map and invented the technology that revolutionized our world in ways that still haven't played out fully. We may end up with a global meta-government honestly capable of ruling our world equitably mostly because of what Tim invented. As far as I am concerned, his insight was as good as Darwins or Einsteins. It was likely that someone would stumble onto it, but that doesn't detract from the overwhelming significance.
ananiasacts 2 years ago
@ananiasacts I think quite the opposite is true. The internet has generally been a threat to the consolidation of power within every country it is used. Using it as a tool for limiting the exchange of data and ideas is possible but extremely difficult due to its inherently democratic nature.
RosenzweigBenjamin2 1 year ago
I'm not sure you're disagreeing with me. I think it will ultimately make it harder for governments to get away with as much as they're accustomed to. Case in point, the Iranian election. By meta-government I mean a body with no real power, but the authority of billions of people who are part of it in cyberspace. They're collective buying power is a far more powerful political force than their collective vote. Only the coordination is missing. The connections. Exactly what the net is good at.
ananiasacts 1 year ago
@ananiasacts Yes, I simply misinterpreted the meaning of the text given the limited context available in youtube comments. Well there's certainly a huge incentive for both corporate and bureaucratic takeovers of the internet and we have seen efforts to make that happen. The internet and it all of its applications are technologies that can be used for either benevolent or nefarious purposes.
RosenzweigBenjamin2 1 year ago
i came to the same conclusion u did about a global meta-government. its either that or a 1984 type scenario... depending on how the next 2 years go. but thats just imho. tell me what u think
djindox3 1 year ago
@djindox3, First thing Obama did in office was the Open Government Directive, but won't pay off much for a while (opengov com is a good place to participate, anyone can, even foreigners.) I think governments do realize that if they don't create a place where we can audit them ourselves someone else eventually will. And that would be a lot worse.
I'm just hoping that google is just waiting until they are too big to squish to do it themselves. But a needed bit of tech is just not ready.
ananiasacts 1 year ago
okay so then what would u make of the fusion centers in america?
djindox3 1 year ago
@djindox3, In just the last two weeks I read an article in the economist (or was it Nature.... can't remember) about how the intelligence community can't use the data they're already drowning in and have major hurdles to overcome. I think the growth rate was 60%/year. Half a million names on the no-fly list.. A Joke. It left me feeling like we're worse off with computers in that one area. If they were using pencils and paper, the Christmas bomber would have been caught before boarding a plane.
ananiasacts 1 year ago
@reqqingcrew He was the primary (of several people) to invent the world wide web, he did not invent the internet.
astralacuity 1 month ago
@astralacuity
Yes, people tend to confuse Internet and the services available on this network.
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LCServiceCorps 2 years ago
Another invention by the British. Like computers, radio, television, steam power, jet engine, pennicillen and even America itself.
Daddyclive 2 years ago
And a hell of a lot more than that.
Pettchyy 2 years ago
I meant to give you thumbs up, did thumbs down by accident, excellent video, excellent comment.
limeyamos 2 years ago
***VIDEO CHALLENGE***
Take a shot every time he says data.
kelfire23 2 years ago 2
"...I invented the world wide web"
*Pause for applause that never comes and turns into a horribly awkward silence*
Am I the only one who noticed that?
Not to sell the man short on his accomplishments but I found that hilarious.
cjla1987 2 years ago
He paused for just under a second
chrisgrainger 2 years ago
wots halarious is that u think u know difrent... who created the web genius ?
celebrityselftalk 2 years ago
Ummm...you did not understand my comment...
lol
cjla1987 2 years ago
you noticed that one right, brother!
timberlaxxx 2 years ago
I noticed it, but I figured he was playing on Algores famous line, and so was pausing for laughter.
Owm109 2 years ago
linked data has already happened naturally on the internet, though the questions aspect needs to be explored
nobleee357 2 years ago
sounds like there is a lot of good to unlock linked data.
for the information era
but at the same time leaves us exposed as individuals .
GuppieLove 2 years ago
the more linked data a system can model, the higher entropic character it will have. Nature favours entropy... and information is entropy
So yes the higher our ability to assimilate data (i.e. linked data) the better chance of us having a successful existence... existence/life is data/information assimilation in one or another.
tiberux 2 years ago
Don't know who invented internet but what he said is one of the secrets of Google.
youyaar 2 years ago
And now we can't sign off the web, we spend all of our time on data hunts.
I love it! smile
Frankie
me050652 2 years ago
MOAR data now!
ForzaInternazionale9 2 years ago
Bob Kahn and Vint Cerf invented the Transmission Control Protocol (TCP) which moves data on the modern Internet, in 1972 and 1973.
If any two people "invented the Internet," it was Kahn and Cerf - but they have publicly stated that "no one person or group of people" invented the Internet.
HE DID NOT INVENT THE INTERNET
sheriffofsw7 2 years ago
Al Gore invented the internet.
smuliman 2 years ago 3
he sure did, and hes gonna save us all by taking away our cars and making us pick up garbage
jtoptimistic 2 years ago
TCP != Internet.
The concept of the internet could be said to have been thought of by one person first (probably Berners-Lee) but that's not to say that somebody else would have thought of it anyway.
Anyway, to say that Kahn and Cerf invented the internet is like saying John Logie Baird invented satellite TV.
deadpassive 2 years ago
TCP (Transmission Control Protocol), is a checking protocol for transmission of data across the Internet (Inter connecting networks), it comes from the ARPANET in the early 70s.
Advanced Research Projects Agency Network, for the US government to talk to the military, due to the cold war against the former soviet union, they feared a nuclear fall out, so it became more distributed (the form the net works on now).
jsmith19810808 2 years ago
Leonard Kleinrock was the first to publish a paper about the idea of packet switching, which is essential to the Internet. He did so in 1961.
J.C.R. Licklider was the first to describe an Internet-like worldwide network of computers, in 1962. He called it the "Galactic Network."
Larry G. Roberts created the first functioning long-distance computer networks
in 1965 and designed the Advanced Research Projects Agency Network (ARPANET), the seed from which the modern Internet grew, in 1966.
sheriffofsw7 2 years ago
He is soo devoted to this, wow simply brilliant stuff .. at last!
InventorGadget 2 years ago
I did that! Me!!
love that bit for some reason.
Angaraman 2 years ago
Haha yes, I think that about my own constributions to OSM.
XD
deadpassive 2 years ago
"..I invented the world wide web"
*pause for applause that never comes and turns into a horribly awkward silence*
Am I the only one who noticed that?
Not to sell the man short on his accomplishments but I found that hilarious
manicdepressive88 2 years ago 31
@manicdepressive88
Nope....that's your imagination
sammyn41 1 year ago
Most of us know that the US military invented the internet. The military invented the internet but this Tim invented the world wide web. Larry G. Roberts could be labeled as one of the people who invented the internet because he built its first links: between the University of California and Stanford Research Institute in 1969. Known as ARPANET, the network was gradually expanded to link military, scientific and educational institutions all over the country.
dinogrower 1 year ago
@dinogrower the very internet service that people use is world wide web otherwise internet is just for military use. so we can easily say berners lee invented internet.
polychronio 1 year ago
@manicdepressive88 not to mention his awesome manly accent .... ;p its like im listening to some fuckface at the library telling me i will get a warning next time if i continue to return the books late....
respect for the man tho! : )) if it wasnt for him i would not be posting this message now.....
sebaz1982 1 year ago
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tcasey001 1 year ago
@manicdepressive88 Yes i noticed that and thats weird...well done to the guy.
tcasey001 1 year ago
@manicdepressive88 I found it sad. The man is brilliant and deserves at least the humblest applause for his achievements and vision.
postblitz 1 year ago
@manicdepressive88 I didn't get that.
pikiwiki 10 months ago
@manicdepressive88 I didn't get that. It seemed like he tested for the moment, but, realizing he didn't get the grab, moved smoothly along. that's a very large claim to ask to be reacted to.
pikiwiki 10 months ago
@manicdepressive88 I can only imagine he had already had a 30 min satnding ovation amidst several panties being hurled onto the stage and the recording starts after he begins for a second time (or fith) "I invented the world wide web".. that's what must have happened.
Avidcomp 6 months ago
@Avidcomp I did mean standing
Avidcomp 6 months ago
@manicdepressive88 yeah so true... unbelievable....
nirajchandan 5 months ago
Why didn't they call him Sir Tim Berners-Lee?
monkeymox 2 years ago
Finally, someone championing 3D data on the web. Please give me data I can navigate like a landscape!
dismutased 2 years ago 2
Its all good in theory. But the fundamental reason why this will never work because people hang on to their data since they don't want to give up their competitive edge. The only way people make money is through what they can do that no one else can. Corporations make money because they have vast amounts of data that no one else does "competitive edge." Once their data is released their edge over the average person is non existent. Therefore no money!!!
superchan 2 years ago 4
I agree. But there is also a lot of data from the government that is never released. That data really -should- be out there.
And these private corporations also have a lot of obsolete data that they're no longer using, but it's still not out on the web for us to see and use. It's just thrown in the bin, which is really devistating.
TrunkZy 2 years ago 4
@superchan not all work in life is for money...not too that your not right...but there are many people who dream to do things and working as groups can help.
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iloveparamore369 2 years ago
This will be very difficult to do. Data can be so abstract at times, language & meaning can get lost very, very quickly & easily.
Also, everyone would need to agree on some objective way, but there is no objectively correct way! Think about local dialects and languages etc.
mdkbam 2 years ago
I understand the topic and the reasoning and I completely agree, but these are corporations making money now, and they aren't going to play ball unfortunately.
Tim needs to work on his presentation skills a bit too. :)
syncy2 2 years ago 4
Luckily, Corporations don't matter in distributed networks.
As long as some significant group or groups make use to and contribute to this, it will grow in spite of those against it or in the way of it.
Scientist, mathematicians, academics, hobbyists, developers, designers, and prosumers will make use of the semantic web and linked data. I know I will contribute to it as I become able.
KickAssClown 2 years ago 2
He's really on to something. However, I think institutions are too protective of data. So I don't see how this could be made a reality to the point of usefulness. Too many control freaks.
riceman1230 2 years ago
ninja 3:16
kryptilian 2 years ago 2
what a quirky guy!
myxomata 2 years ago
Very Nice Presentation.!!
An Inconvenient Truth:- Al Gore said he invented the Web/internet!!
See Wired News article by Declan McCullagh, Mar. 11, 1999
After reading his books & hearing Al Gore Speak, I can not really Trust this guy, Tim Berners-Lee, really.
*Satire*
Casmige 2 years ago
He's wearing nice jeans
moose0884 2 years ago
holy shit, this guy invented the internet
n9e9o9 2 years ago 4
web
acidwillburnyou 2 years ago
the world wide web, not the internet. amazing nonetheless.
mentalarmory 2 years ago 2
I envented the internet, fuker. look it up.
CaptainZeep 2 years ago
Ooo Baby I like it raw.
biggerflexible 2 years ago
i agree with pacoaguitta, this seems to bring 1984 that much closer. What about leaving chaos, mystery and anarchy live!
Quu911 2 years ago
Doing things faster doesnt make them better at all. TBL was operating in an era when "universal operating systems" were being discussed. Everyone else failed except Apple and Digital Equipment Corporation who had standardised colleges globally on PDP mainframes and Macintosh workstation. Hypertext as we know it was born from a software called Hypercard. Networkable Colour Hypercard was never released ... it became the first browser and the first web-server. Great myth exists on this topic.
watzupdawg 2 years ago
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jonsuther 2 years ago
He is a real scientist. He speaks in terms of ideas.
watzupdawg 2 years ago 2
Thanks Tim. I like WEB.
mrmaciejm 2 years ago
I am sorry about that experience, sounds almost like 1984 gone corporate. Gatica, and other filsm have ilustrated this problem. A corporation could be seen as living organism that uses humans as part of the cells that make it work. There is no one human responsible, and most humans on an individual level would agree, but im sure, who ever questioned you... did so because it was his job to do so. About the pig who caused you anger... you should find footage against him.
pacoaguitta 2 years ago
I recently ended a contract with a company because my atempts to TALK to a male manager with whom I gathered loads of data from would not stop treating me like a toy. He would only provide data if I returned his flirtations. After leaving his office one day, a corporate camera caught my angry expression and muttering under my breath and questioned me. I lost income because I expressed anger on my face. I love data-it's my job, but I am also human. Data can be used to hurt people. beware.
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Dennisfghf 2 years ago
I intuitively feel that would be adding more complications to an idea that could only gain significant strength if used by the many. Originally, communities have evolved and defined ethics and moral, because it made common sense, now I feel we either have a lawyer babysitting our every move and/or pre-approving our every decision. How can we go about forging simple piece of advice that will make sense to people, and click into the system?
pacoaguitta 2 years ago
Well, we have much of our data being collected, essentially ..free, and the very ones who collect it wall off their own data.
I'm not sure it's going to be difficult, if presented correctly, to convince the masses that it's a good idea to protect the appropriate access to their data. Of course we all seem fairly comfortable just handing much of it out for free. Knowing the security goes both ways, it could warm enterprise/business/govt up to the idea of "open data".
gotilk 2 years ago
Yes... but how to present it?. And what to present exactly?. I will continue this later... its good converstaion.
pacoaguitta 2 years ago
Mmm, data... better than cocaine, but twice as expensive.
Truthiness231 2 years ago
Also...
This is not a suggestion to implement DRM. We're not talking about rights management here, we're talking USE management. There are certain data environments that certain institutions should not have the ability to USE. With a digital access trail, they would leave behind "bread crumbs" that would prevent certain abuses. Also, certain institutions would not be allowed the use of certain types of data unless THEY allow the same access to THEIR data. And even then, use would be limited.
gotilk 2 years ago
Just to beat anyone else to it, digital USE management would be ...
D. U. M.
lol
GOT to find a better name.
Implementation?
D.I.M.
I give up. Hey smart people.
gotilk 2 years ago
Relevant question for those who are following your discourse: What is DRM mean in this context?.
pacoaguitta 2 years ago
I'm sorry, I should have been specific. DRM is digital RIGHTS management. Typically it is used to control who can access certain data (usually digital media, music, films, etc), when and/or for how long. In this sense, I was pointing out that something like digital USE management would help protect individuals in an open data world. Data tagged and certified, open but APPLIED in a limited sense. (i.e. Your friends and your boss can look at your party pics, but your boss can't use it against you)
gotilk 2 years ago
(continued)
If the person trying to contextualize your data attempts to use the data in an inappropriate context, the data is ignored by the cloud and by the legal system/human resources dept./reporter, etc. People could opt out and use the info anyway, but face legal action if the data is used in an unauthorized manner. We'd need something like a data bill of rights and ethics. I'm not all that up to date on related technologies, but I think the ideas are sound.
gotilk 2 years ago
How about contextual data tagging with certificates? Consider the idea of tagging information with things like...
1. Personal, but public.
2. Professional/Business
3. Scientific (with additional certs/verification)
4. Public, non-personal and disclosed.
That way, when data is included, there are appropriate uses and inappropriate uses.
Inappropriate use would be restricted/ignored.
Say an employer/stalker/activist/prosecutor decides to use public but personal data (continued)
gotilk 2 years ago
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Horrible speaking skills. I wonder how many in the audience he lost. Interesting topic, bad presentation
sta821 2 years ago
This could be huge! I can esaily see the value in linking the data about price variations for consumers for exemple. You could tell imediately when a product is overpriced, or where to find the cheapest services/products... it's already happening on the web but there still are walls between the datasources and the effort to build comparison apps is still very high... I'm definitely willing to participate into this... where do we start?
Juntoos 2 years ago 3
Web 2.0 will change EVERYTHING. IT will be restricted. Web 2.0 is a nightmare. RESEARCH it for yourself if you care anything about free speech, and open communication EASILY accessible by all.
putittogether 2 years ago
So, web 2.0, OS CMS´s, Wikis, and now Linked Data (Demanding Raw Data to be shared). The point: Sinergy of Making it easier to access relevant information... . I would like to know more about hot to go about linking this data, copyrights in general and its side effect, the end of privacy.
Is the whole talk just pushing people to demand data linking... some reassurance of what the concrete actions promoted here would help.
pacoaguitta 2 years ago
Copyright will face a huge challenge related to this. (i.e. owning data that is made up of data that should not be owned.. genomic data, etc) And privacy is a huge concern. But 18 minutes just didn't allow for airing of concerns, answers to hard questions. I would PAY for a followup q&a.
gotilk 2 years ago
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This talk is crap and this guy is an ass
mrkvamaster 2 years ago
Don't waste time posting it seems our comments are censored. I compared Linked Data to Web 2.0 and my comment was removed :|. And don't think of critizing Tim's speech even if you have arguments :(
goa103 2 years ago
I grok the fullness of it
thunderpants10 2 years ago
THE 7 STEPS OF FREE DATA OF THE WORLD TODAY!
1.Data >>2 .Corruption>>3. Power>> 4.Information>> 5.Control>> 6.Invention>> 7.Solution = THE WORLD
WHAT IT SHOULD BE!
1.Data>> 2.Information>> 3.Invention>> 4.Solution>> 5.Control>> 6.Power>> 7.Corruption = THE WORLD
i could go on but i hope this inspires more data :D
wwwhexxycom 2 years ago
shame this guys, such a bad speaker, the message may be worth hearing but i'll never know
kahnicles 2 years ago
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niupaidanui 2 years ago
Would require a bigger bandwidth.
davewatcher 2 years ago
two things
1. what would hitler (lower case) have done with this 'DATA' or China
2. how worried would govenments be reveling there secret data for ' The Disclosure Project'
daisy3067 2 years ago
I wouldn't worry about China (did you compare them to hitler??) when it comes to public data. They already have all that. This will just make the data that is public already accessible, easier to analyze and contextualize. Secret data will remain secret, in the same WAY that it is now. (whatever that implies)
gotilk 2 years ago
someone should tell him about wikipedia
feeithepain78 2 years ago
lol i did think that too!
rackslap 2 years ago
feeithepain78, did you even watch the video? at 0:28 he mentions wikipedia
suchAnoob 2 years ago
EPIC video!
RAW DATA NOW!
watchingher86 2 years ago
ooo niiicee! i really like the music in this video.. it gives the whole thing a better feeling and makes it more.. um.. i dont wanna say entertaining because it was very entertaining.. but it gave it a little more something .. ya know.
Chick6517 2 years ago
its a gud idea but its extremely vulnerable
ebird97 2 years ago
I want the raw data of clinical trials in atom format so I can compare my single patient to those populations in clinical trials.
damondouglas 2 years ago
I can see right through your insults.
HigherPlanes 2 years ago
Glad I didn't flunk math.
HigherPlanes 2 years ago
TO ALL THE RETARDED KIDS POSTING STUPID COMMENTS THAT THIS GUY IS NOT THE INVENTOR OF THE WORLD WIDE WEB.
Use the god damn World Wide Web to look it up and you'll come to the factual realization that he IS in fact its inventor. Or you can just continue being a retard which is probably much easier for you.
jasonlajoie 2 years ago 4
fail
maxxamtml 2 years ago
Bah, everyone knows Al Gore invented the Internet...
ttano173 2 years ago
Fake and untrue. Blizzard Entertainment invented the internet some 18 years ago.
brucewalker67 2 years ago 2
hahahaha
xawesomexelix 2 years ago
I'm not being ridiculous, he's taking full credit for something that wasn't his sole invention. I think you need to do some research yourself pal.
HigherPlanes 2 years ago
If he comes up with the concept and design but has to employ the use of others to write code, he's still THE inventor. Do you get it? If not I don't care to take the time to explain this simple concept further.
jasonlajoie 2 years ago 3
If you want to give the guy full credit, go ahead. Won't change my opinion.
HigherPlanes 2 years ago
Nothing will change your opinion because it's just that - an opinion. Your statement was pulled out of thin air with no factual basis whatsoever. It's just how you felt it must be, that he couldn't possibly be the only inventor of the Web based on.......nothing!
jasonlajoie 2 years ago 4
Facts can skew the truth. Ever notice one of those situations: "don't bother me with the facts because my mind is already made up?" This is one of those situations. But it takes plain common sense to understand a simple idea; X "invents" the web, an idea that's still in it's infantile stage, and in addition countless other Y's collaborate to bring X's idea, (did I mention its in it's infantile stage?), to life, X, who pulled the idea out of thin air, gets all the credit for Inventing the web?
HigherPlanes 2 years ago
"...X, who pulled the idea out of thin air, gets all the credit for inventing the web?" - YES. It's a very simple concept of the originator of the idea who then creates the first working (whatever), is the inventor. If others add to that idea, they are simply developing an invention further, not inventing it themselves.
jasonlajoie 2 years ago 4
Oh, brilliant answer. Did you forget that the web is still in a process of creation? Do you know what it will look like in 50 years? Does the "inventor" know? Perhaps the inventor can take credit for that vision as well. pfft. This isn't sliced bread we're talking about is it? Knock knock, anybody home?
HigherPlanes 2 years ago
So with your sub-moronic logic; anything ever invented which is improved upon over time no longer has one 'original' inventor but the very many who add to it through the ages. Clearly you are giving the brilliant answers here. Luckily history is ignoring your 'brilliance' and giving this man his credit. For the continued success of our species please do the responsible thing and do not breed.
jasonlajoie 2 years ago 6
Knock knock, anybody home? Do you know how stupid you sound right now??
Knock Knock!!! So when I changed the video card in my computer, and increased its capibilities I INVENTED THE COMPUTER, by your foolish logic!
Can101276 2 years ago
This argument is getting old and lame. The only thing I said is that he did not invent the web, other people helped. Research it for yourself.
HigherPlanes 2 years ago
It's the same battle between Steve Jobs, Wozniak and Bill Gates for example. We'll never know the truth. The only thing we can rely on are facts, stories and fairytales ;)
goa103 2 years ago
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Exactly, and this fluke is taking full credit for "inventing" the web. Ridiculous.
HigherPlanes 2 years ago
What's ridiculous is your ignorance and incredible inability to type in "inventor of World Wide Web" into any search engine to enlighten yourself.
jasonlajoie 2 years ago 6
I bet not. I don't think anyone can take full credit for the web. Most likely it was the collaboration of many hackers and freaks. he's an arrogant pompous ass for taking full credit.
HigherPlanes 2 years ago
Don't be ridiculous with your "hackers and freaks" nonsense. This IS the inventor of the Web. He did it here in Geneva. Use the Web and look up the facts before sounding so silly.
jasonlajoie 2 years ago 3
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HigherPlanes 2 years ago
Well the only history we know is made up by the facts but it doesn't make it true. It's even worse considering facts are made up by humans.
goa103 2 years ago