I'm 25 and a PhD student, I also write exclusively with fountain pens and draft everything I write. I have a kindle too!
I think there is a good degree of sensationalism in what you are saying. You are arguing that cursive letter forms are so far removed from printed text that they cannot be universally understood. I would argue that some digital fonts are harder to read than cursive.
All of this while average literacy levels are rising, people are more likely to read in future.
Hmmm... this man is saying something so real, in time we'll lose a part of ourselves, or better said, a part of our humanity; writing it's more instintive than pushing buttons.
So you can't just "rub it out", you have to pour some white gunk on the paper! and that is not nearly as attractive. what other alternative is there? doing it once in pencil and redoing it in pen? That's almost twice the time! And like I said, go look at any physics book, all the crazy symbols are there. If scanning them would have been better they would have done it don't you think?
But that's just my opinion, if you're happy writing everything by hand by all means go for it.
irrational,unnecessary? Open your eyes, the only handwriting you see on a day to day basis is your own. I never said anything about the prolems, I normally do those by hand. I was talking about my projects as an engineer. I wouldn't dare to hand in a project written by hand because there's normally an abundance of graphs,long ecuations and possible errors. If you ever have to do something of the sort you will understand how irrational it would be to write that all out besides it has to be in pen
@BetaCircuit Well, Im studying to become an engineer, and I can assure you that all those characters are present on your computer even though they're not on your keyboard, for that you can get a virtual keyboard with all those symbols right on your screen. All of my books seem to have no problem with it.
Scanners are nice but it still doesn't solve the problem, if you want to touch up something you have to REDO it, on a computer you can re-arrange, erase, copy etc. easy as pie
I'm a network engineer. I do almost no written communication that involves a pen in my professional life, other than to sign a document, or fill in my time card. Everything else is electronic. Still, I keep a vintage Esterbrook dip-less pen on my desk, with some Noodler's 5 O'Clock Shaddow ink in it, to sign said documents and fill out my time card. If I'm jotting notes in a meeting, it's with one of my vintage fountain pens.
I mean, every once in a while I find someone who has trouble reading my non-cursive handwriting, but that doesn't mean that they don't know how to read.
(That also doesn't mean that my handwriting is sloppy, I value having an esthetic font)
Writing on a computer is faster and more practical, if you want to add something in, you can. If you spelled something wrong, you can fix it. If you want to make copies of something, it takes seconds.Plus it's always legible.In the future, we will surely type more than we write.
Anyway, reading cursive isn't hard (its easier than writing it!), but theres always bound to be someone who can't, that doesn't mean that kids aren't learning cursive nowadays! Theres no need to over-react =P
Ditto. I'm a member of more than one fountain pen board/list, and there are still people just discovering writing with fountain pens as well as the art of calligraphy. Art will always require pens and pencils--computer-generated art is just not the same; no offense to computer-based artists. There's just something about the feeling of the instrument gliding/sliding/scratching across the surface of your paper or canvas that computers can't duplicate or simulate.
It could mean the end of the Graphologist :-) But not in France, where an application, for a job, must be written by hand, not word processed. That's one way for France to keep the Americans out of their job market.
You just have an odd dislike of Americans. Know how many American teenagers choose French as their language to study in high school? I bet you haven't got a clue. Or how many study French in college? or how many Americans study a second or third language as adults? Believe it or not, it actually happens. And your snarky little smiley is just plain unnecesssary.
As a member of the International Association of Master Penmen, Engrossers, and Teachers of Handwriting, I can happily report to you that our membership is as large as it ever was and is growing rapidly year after year.
Also, in the Elementary school where I am the music teacher, we still have cursive writing instruction starting in second grade; and, by fourth grade, all written work is to be submitted using it. Fortunately, I get to assist students who need extra help with their penmanship.
What technology takes away is often given back. There are now devices that allow input using a stylus and sensor pad. As technology improves the clunky monitor-keyboard-cpu computers of today might more resemble paper and books. As long as humans have an urge to doodle,there will be a place for penmanship.
I completely agree with this. This fast growing technological world is making us forget a lot of things. The beautiful art of penmanship is one of these. We must not depend on technology for our every need, coz if we do we will end up in a time when we will look back and say - "Oh!, I can't remember the past, I think I have seen it somewhere, or may be I am mistaken". When I see kids now sharpening their pencil with electric sharpener, I just can't take it. All I say is "What the F**K.
What is happening to script penmanship in Mexico for example is that many teachers find it confusing to teach, Many teachers themselves do not have a good method of teaching it, and when giving homework they tend to discourage students to use it, implying that it is difficult and unreadable. I am teaching script through art class, so perhaps that is what will eventually happpen to script. It will become something useful to teach in artclass. I will talk more about this later, greetings to you.
i'm 30 and the only time i write in cursive is when i sign my name. i learned cursive in 4th grade and we only did it for 3 months. when the teacher said we didn't have to do it anymore i stopped and haven't done it since. i wasn't very good at it. some of the letters were so different from the letters in print that i never really made them correctly. i could barely read my own handwriting
Very interesting. You struck a very crucial point... The Declaration of Independence. It is no secret that the British oligarchy along with their financial oligarchy, are openly seeking to suppress creative development across the globe. The U.S. has been under "attack" since its conception, in various ways. The development and proliferation of scientific universal principles is a threat to their establishment. What better way to control communication of ideas than to phase out the skills needed
I'm 25 and a PhD student, I also write exclusively with fountain pens and draft everything I write. I have a kindle too!
I think there is a good degree of sensationalism in what you are saying. You are arguing that cursive letter forms are so far removed from printed text that they cannot be universally understood. I would argue that some digital fonts are harder to read than cursive.
All of this while average literacy levels are rising, people are more likely to read in future.
MrEdlei 4 weeks ago
Cursive became unnecessary when the ball point pen became prominent.
thedork01 1 month ago
Hmmm... this man is saying something so real, in time we'll lose a part of ourselves, or better said, a part of our humanity; writing it's more instintive than pushing buttons.
1ManuelAlejandro99 2 months ago
dude that makes me sad its like people who can't read analogue clocks its like really?.........
ninja29mv 4 months ago
So you can't just "rub it out", you have to pour some white gunk on the paper! and that is not nearly as attractive. what other alternative is there? doing it once in pencil and redoing it in pen? That's almost twice the time! And like I said, go look at any physics book, all the crazy symbols are there. If scanning them would have been better they would have done it don't you think?
But that's just my opinion, if you're happy writing everything by hand by all means go for it.
0HK4N 5 months ago
irrational,unnecessary? Open your eyes, the only handwriting you see on a day to day basis is your own. I never said anything about the prolems, I normally do those by hand. I was talking about my projects as an engineer. I wouldn't dare to hand in a project written by hand because there's normally an abundance of graphs,long ecuations and possible errors. If you ever have to do something of the sort you will understand how irrational it would be to write that all out besides it has to be in pen
0HK4N 5 months ago
@BetaCircuit Well, Im studying to become an engineer, and I can assure you that all those characters are present on your computer even though they're not on your keyboard, for that you can get a virtual keyboard with all those symbols right on your screen. All of my books seem to have no problem with it.
Scanners are nice but it still doesn't solve the problem, if you want to touch up something you have to REDO it, on a computer you can re-arrange, erase, copy etc. easy as pie
0HK4N 5 months ago
I'm a network engineer. I do almost no written communication that involves a pen in my professional life, other than to sign a document, or fill in my time card. Everything else is electronic. Still, I keep a vintage Esterbrook dip-less pen on my desk, with some Noodler's 5 O'Clock Shaddow ink in it, to sign said documents and fill out my time card. If I'm jotting notes in a meeting, it's with one of my vintage fountain pens.
rhonan 5 months ago
I mean, every once in a while I find someone who has trouble reading my non-cursive handwriting, but that doesn't mean that they don't know how to read.
(That also doesn't mean that my handwriting is sloppy, I value having an esthetic font)
=P
0HK4N 6 months ago
Writing on a computer is faster and more practical, if you want to add something in, you can. If you spelled something wrong, you can fix it. If you want to make copies of something, it takes seconds.Plus it's always legible.In the future, we will surely type more than we write.
Anyway, reading cursive isn't hard (its easier than writing it!), but theres always bound to be someone who can't, that doesn't mean that kids aren't learning cursive nowadays! Theres no need to over-react =P
0HK4N 6 months ago
@0HK4N
Not trying to hate but you are over-using commas in the first paragraph.
antmayfield 6 months ago
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CanItAlready 6 months ago
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CanItAlready 6 months ago
The end of the pen??? I dont think so, pens and pencil are always going to be here,,, i am SURE of it.
thecapone45 9 months ago
@thecapone45
Ditto. I'm a member of more than one fountain pen board/list, and there are still people just discovering writing with fountain pens as well as the art of calligraphy. Art will always require pens and pencils--computer-generated art is just not the same; no offense to computer-based artists. There's just something about the feeling of the instrument gliding/sliding/scratching across the surface of your paper or canvas that computers can't duplicate or simulate.
CanItAlready 6 months ago
It could mean the end of the Graphologist :-) But not in France, where an application, for a job, must be written by hand, not word processed. That's one way for France to keep the Americans out of their job market.
charlessmyth 10 months ago
@charlessmyth
Really? Are Americans really moving to France in droves to take their jobs? Really? Really?
CanItAlready 6 months ago
@CanItAlready Pretty unlikely, since they would also have to learn to speak and write in French :-)
charlessmyth 6 months ago
@charlessmyth
You just have an odd dislike of Americans. Know how many American teenagers choose French as their language to study in high school? I bet you haven't got a clue. Or how many study French in college? or how many Americans study a second or third language as adults? Believe it or not, it actually happens. And your snarky little smiley is just plain unnecesssary.
CanItAlready 6 months ago
@CanItAlready Yes, tens-of-thousands of Americans successfully learn and implement foreign languages :-)
charlessmyth 6 months ago
As a member of the International Association of Master Penmen, Engrossers, and Teachers of Handwriting, I can happily report to you that our membership is as large as it ever was and is growing rapidly year after year.
Also, in the Elementary school where I am the music teacher, we still have cursive writing instruction starting in second grade; and, by fourth grade, all written work is to be submitted using it. Fortunately, I get to assist students who need extra help with their penmanship.
bplatt1069 10 months ago
Sure we use computers a lot, but you have to be really dumb to not be able to read CURSIVE for Christ sakes.
VibrantCompromise 10 months ago
What technology takes away is often given back. There are now devices that allow input using a stylus and sensor pad. As technology improves the clunky monitor-keyboard-cpu computers of today might more resemble paper and books. As long as humans have an urge to doodle,there will be a place for penmanship.
gammondog 11 months ago
I completely agree with this. This fast growing technological world is making us forget a lot of things. The beautiful art of penmanship is one of these. We must not depend on technology for our every need, coz if we do we will end up in a time when we will look back and say - "Oh!, I can't remember the past, I think I have seen it somewhere, or may be I am mistaken". When I see kids now sharpening their pencil with electric sharpener, I just can't take it. All I say is "What the F**K.
deeptheonlyone 1 year ago
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What is happening to script penmanship in Mexico for example is that many teachers find it confusing to teach, Many teachers themselves do not have a good method of teaching it, and when giving homework they tend to discourage students to use it, implying that it is difficult and unreadable. I am teaching script through art class, so perhaps that is what will eventually happpen to script. It will become something useful to teach in artclass. I will talk more about this later, greetings to you.
PyroFenix69 1 year ago
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PyroFenix69 1 year ago
i'm 30 and the only time i write in cursive is when i sign my name. i learned cursive in 4th grade and we only did it for 3 months. when the teacher said we didn't have to do it anymore i stopped and haven't done it since. i wasn't very good at it. some of the letters were so different from the letters in print that i never really made them correctly. i could barely read my own handwriting
boelvira 1 year ago
Very interesting. You struck a very crucial point... The Declaration of Independence. It is no secret that the British oligarchy along with their financial oligarchy, are openly seeking to suppress creative development across the globe. The U.S. has been under "attack" since its conception, in various ways. The development and proliferation of scientific universal principles is a threat to their establishment. What better way to control communication of ideas than to phase out the skills needed
MYTHIRDSHADOW 1 year ago
thanks
jasonmarke 1 year ago