@St0pTheInsan1ty1 You wouldn't understand..you're an idiot remember? At least you knew Blue was color, so we can assume you've passed finger painting.
@cvd13ent Yes sir, sealed the game for us!! I was however holding my breath when it was him? or Floyd that got burnt before the interception? Anyway, yes! We are back and now Urban is the most hated man in Michigan. Good luck with that Spread Urban, take a note from RichRod...and good luck NOT getting away with what the SEC allows. OH! And have fun with the NCAA wrath too!
fucking florida was after him a week ago, if that doesn't say sleeper I don't know what does. And guess what....the star system says he's not good. This '10 class is solid!
Florida never extended an offer to him according to rivals. His biggest offer other then Michigan was Stanford. Otherwise, he had offers from the likes of Army, Bowling Green, and Eastern Michigan. On top of that, he's not ranked among the top cornerbacks, and he's only ranked as the 51st player in Ohio. So no, he's not a slam dunk sleeper. He MIGHT be a sleeper. Or he might be the next James Rogers. I hope its the former
The 2010 class is the worst class in over a decade, so the fact
According to the "know it all"recruiting sites, maybe the class does look bad against the star system, but all of the athletes coming in makes this a very good class. Florida WAS sniffing around at Avery, the fact that Florida was interested deflates your entire dumbfuck "logic or reason",so stick that one in your boyfriends ass Lisper!
"you refuse to see logic or reason"
LOL, no, I just refuse to look at your idealology...you're an unmedicated, idealist...oh yeah,and a PUSSY!!
The fact that you're typing so fast and making 10:1 typo errors shows how much of an effect my reasoning has on you laddy-buck....
I bet your face was all red and you were mashing the keys when you seen my post (once again) made you look like a horses ass....you're losing it schitzo, take your meds!
1. even in an attempt to capitalize on a mistake that I often make (typing errors) you fail miserably. In the two posts I made yesterday, I only mistyped one word (excited), and that was only cause the X and the Z are right next to eachother.
2. The fact that you are resorting to calling out typing errors I might have shows that you have run out of ANYTHING vald to say to me and are just making pathetic straw mans arguments. I have wasted your arguments about dickrod, and now you're just
throwing hay at me like the fat, mid life-crisis riddent cunt that you are.
Now, about what you said with the recruiting class: what evidence do you have that this is a very good class? The only bonafidly good athletes that we have are Devin Gardner and Marvin Robinson. I'm sure one of the 3 star sorts (probabaly Austin White) is a sleeper, but law of probablity says that most 3 star guys are not gonig to be playmakers, and considering we have mostly 3 star guys, this class is NOT a good
@Poole1Dan "The only bonafidly good athletes that we have are Devin Gardner and Marvin Robinson" Opinion. "but law of probablity says that most 3 star guys are not gonig to be playmakers" Opinion. "this class is NOT a good" Opinion. "he's an average talent" Opinion. "He's likely not gonig to be a playmaker" Opinion. "If he reads this, then may my words be motivation for him to go out there and kick ass" I highly doubt Avery gives a shit what a shitty Michigan fan like you thinks!
1. All these opinions are backed up with facts and reasoning. Robinson and Gardner are the only blue chip athletes int he class, ergo, they are the only bonafidly good athletes. The rest are either average or just plain old bad athletes, as they are 3 stars and 2 stars.
2. look it up: the majority of the playmakers in college football are blue chip recruits. the law of probability about most 3 stars not being playmakers is a fact, not an opinion.
This kid will provide better competition at Michigan than they currently have, open your eyes cocknuckle! Florida knew this, we real fans know this,you do not. And just mute your"vocie crying in the wilderness"crap, it sounds more like a baby being wiened of the nipple.Support the efforts being put into the program or step aside, your negative ass-essment is not needed.
NONE of those examples you gave disprove my argument, because you're talking about production, not talent. The star system measures talent, not future college production. Harris, Riley, Englemon and all those guys were COACHED UP to be great players by Carr and friends. Carr did WAY MORE with the talent he had then dickrod did. Carr had as much talent as dickrod did the past two seasons, and he produced an annual top 20 team out of it. *kisses*
"Then STFU about the recruits coming in whistle dick!"
Not gonna happen. This 2010 class is dangeriously short on talent compared to previous Michigan classes. and the talent drop seen in the 2010 class and early forcastings for the 2011 class is an indictment on dickrods performance at Michigan. Blue chippers don't want sto play for a team that perenially losses, ehcne why you see them go to, you know, the top teams.
"the 2007 class had 13 out of 20 commits that were 3 stars or below"
and the 2007 class was considered a below average class compared to previous classes. This 2010 class is ranked almost 10 spots lower then the 2007 class and has few blue chippers and a much fewer percentage of the total commits who are blue chippers. the 2007 class was below average, and the 2010 class is just plain bad.
BTW, I must point out some other flaws you made with your examples:
1. Charles Stewart was never a starter. He redshirted in 04, was the dimeback in 05 (4th cornerback), was the nickelback in 06 (3rd cornerback), then substituted at SS in 07 and 08.
2. John Thompson was NOT a reliable starter. He was disgustingly bad as the starting SLB in 2008. he was slow, immobile, and completely unfit to be a starting linebacker for Michigan. He might have made a decent MLB, but sucked at OLB
no he wasn't. In 05, the starting cornerbacks were Leon Hall and Grant Mason, and the starting safeties were Willis Barringer and Jamar Adams. In 06, the CB's were Hall and Morgan trent, and the safeties were Adams and Barringer. In 07 the CB's were Trent and Donovan Warren, and the safeties were Adams and Englemon. In 08, the CB's were Trent and Warren, and the safeties were Stevie Brown and Brandon Harrison. Look it up
I already shot this argument down, but I'll do it again:
Englemons productive career at Michigan does not prove that he was talented nor does it prove that the star system doesn't matter. why? Because the star system doesn't reflect projected college production. It reflects pure raw talent. And Englemon definitely lacked in talent. He was slow, immobile, and couldn't jump that high. Hence why he was a 2 star lacking in any type of rankings whose only other offer was Kentucky.
"Then you have no argument about how players with low recruiting stars cannot be stars in college."
Yes I do. Check out the latest Dr. Saturday article called 'Mister Relevant: Why you shouldn't dismiss recruiting rankings.' In this article, you will find that 1 in 358 two star recruits becomes an All American, 1 in 147 three stars becomes an all american, 1 in 54 fouyr stars becomes an AA, and 1 in FIFTEEN 5 stars becomes an all american
I'm not saying there isn't a bigger up-side to 4-5 star recruits, but you soley base how well a kid will/can do on their star status alone and you're DEAD WRONG!
Stop forming your ideals from blogs, they're somewhat imformative, but they're inaccurate.
"I'm not saying there isn't a bigger up-side to 4-5 star recruits"
there you go again contraditcing yourself. You said that I shouldn't put weight in the so called 'silly' star system, but now you admit the star system is valid once I throw the FACTS in your fat face. you said that 'all of the athletes coming in makes this a very good class,' even though you acknowledge that blue chip recruits are way more likely to become successful then the podunk MAC recruits in the 2010 class.
"you soley base how well a kid will/can do on their star status alone"
No I don't. The star system has a proven hisotry of success, so i'm simply following the odds. and the ODDS are that this 2010 class will not produce alot of good production. It is a class made up mostly of contributors and decent backups or subsitutes. The star system makes concious what is already suspected subconciously: that the more talent you have (higher star rating), the more likely you are to produce. (=
This isn't even an opinion from myself or from mgoblog. Its empricial research, and it just so happens to destroy your rediculous claim that the star system is silly. You WANT to beleive that this 2010 class is good. You WANT to believe its talented. but you've got nothing to back yourself up. sucks to be you!
""this 2010 class will not produce alot of good production"
Opinion...again!"
No, its not opinion. I said that the odds are that the 2010 class will not be good, and as you can see with the Dr. Saturday article, that is a statement of fact. did your mommy not teach you how to do math?
Read the article. Dr. Saturday didn't pull anything out of his ass. he conducted research and published the results. but you hate the truth, and thats your problem. the fact remains that blue chippers are much more likely to become playmakers then the 2 and 3 star guys who compose the 2010 class
@Poole1Dan Who would you have hired as head coach in 2008? Second, put Threet/Sheridan at quarterback in 2007. How many wins do we get? Finally, put a finished product Rich Rod team against Michigan in 2007. As a hardcore Michigan fan during those days, the last coach I wanted to face was Rich Rod.
"Who would you have hired as head coach in 2008? "
I would have hired an innovative head coach from the schembechler tree such as Jim Harbaugh, Cam Cameron, or Brady Hoke.
"put Threet/Sheridan at quarterback in 2007"
I say we get 6 or 7 wins in that case. We definitely would not have beaten Illinois or Michigan State had it not been for Henne's heroics, and we might not have beaten Northwestern. Whats your point? 6 or 7 wins is good enoigh for a Bowl game and a winning record
If we lose all three, that's 5 wins, not a winning record, and no bowl. The point is that team was loaded with experienced, talented seniors on offense probably wouldn't have gotten to a bowl with Threet, and likely the same with Mallett who was awful. But we expect Rich Rod to do better with Sheridan/Threet and few experienced starters in a new system or with a true freshman quarterback? It's not really fair to expect the same results when the conditions are very different.
"The point is that team was loaded with experienced, talented seniors on offense probably wouldn't have gotten to a bowl with Threet"
But you are making the false assumption that the problems with the 2007 team were the inexperience of mallet at QB. Mike Hart was also injured. The offensive line was in limbo all year due to injuries. Our very solid defense unfortunately did not show up until the 3rd game against ND, which cost us the first two games against App state and Oregon.
What I'm saying is your logic that dickrod couldn't be expected to succeed with Threet at QB doesn't fly because the problems that the 2007 team faced go way beyond inexperince at QB.
lol the most important position on the field is qb u dumbass ask usc how a freshman qb affects your team and matt barkley is better than both sheridan and threet and there team was filled with wayy more talent this past year than michigan had in 08
"the most important position on the field is qb u dumbass"
thankyou captain obvious. This still does not disprove my point that Michigans problems in 2008 went way beyond that of inexperience at QB. You had wretched offensive line play, bad defensive schemes, horrible tackling, no pass rush aside from Brandon Graham, wrong playrs on the field at receiver and tailback, an offense that didn't fit the skillset of the players, special teams breakdowns, fumbles, and more. And all of this shit can
be traced back to horrible coaching from dickrod an friends, as I've explained numerous times on numerous youtube videos. So no, Threets inxperience was NOT the reason michigan went 3-9, and to sue it as an excuse for dickrod is Grade-A pathetic
"ask usc how a freshman qb affects your team"
USC's problem in 2009 was defense you retard! They went from ranking 2nd nationally in total defense in 2008 to 40th in 2009. Scoring wise they went from 1st to 22nd, giving up twice as many PPG
Are you implying that he was not talented or that he played poorly? Cause if its the former, then you're factually wrong. Threet was a mid level 4 star recruit and a top 10 rated QB nationally and a top 10 player in the state of Michigan. But if its the latter, then you can't blame that on Threet cause he was a redshirt freshman with the wrong starters around him at the skill positions, and dickrod forced him to run an offense that didn't suit him.
who cares what he was ranked in highschool lol are you a moron ??? the matter of fact if a player is good or not is what he does on the field and threet didnt do shit nor will he ever do shit
"who cares what he was ranked in highschool lol are you a moron"
read an article by Dr. Saturday called "Mister Relevant: Why you shouldn't dismiss recruiting rankings" and tell me again that recruiting ranksings don't matter. dumbass
" is what he does on the field"
and how well a player does on the field is mostly a matter of the coachnig he receives. He must be developed properly. He must be put in the right system. and in the case of Threet, he must not have his coach surround
him with inexperienced freshmen when there are plenty of experiencedm proven players at the coaches disposal. Threet never had a chance in hell of suceeding thanks to dickrod. Never mind the fact that redshirt freshmen QB tend to go through growing pains (perfect example: Jimmy Clausen).
"nor will he ever do shit"
If he does well with Arizona state this season, you and his other haters will be my youtube bitch for years to come!
lol clausen was never a red shirt freshman for one and for two threets problem wasnt growing pains the guy didnt have ONE good game not ONE in fact in the wisconsin game i think our offense had negative yards int he first half that is horribile and it didnt happen this past year cuz we had a qb who could actually play a TRUE FRSHMAN
shit. my bad. you're right, Clausen was not a redshirt freshman. I shou;dn;t have puit redshirt in there. what I meant to say was freshmen quarterbacks in general (redshirt freshmen or true freshmen) bith struggle all the time. why? well, a big part is cause they are totally inexperienced. So when you say Threet sucks and won't do shit, thats just an ignorant statement that disregards Threets situation.
LIE. Threet went 16-23 for 175 yards, 1 TD and 0 picks. His yards per attempt was 7.6, and his completion percentage was a Sam Bradford like 69%. Then against Penn State, Threet went 9-13 for 84 yards before having to leave cause he got injured. This is also a 69% completion percentage, and its 6.5 YPA. and against Purdue, although he had a bad completion percentage, he still threw 2 TD to no picks and led the team to 42 points.
Against Illinois, he 18-35 for 250 yards, 2 TD and no picks, which is a pedestrian completion percentage but is also 7.1 YPA. Hell, aside from one bone headed play against Toledo, he was a respectable 7-10 for 55 yards qith 1 TD to no more picks in one half. He was statistically bad against Utah and Wisconsin but led the team to the biggest Big House comeback ever against wisky and came up just short of a 15 point comeback against Utah.
threet had 3-5 good games statistically in 2008 depending on how you view the Purdue and toledo games. Given that he started 8 games, bneing successful in rouyghly half of them is about what anyone would expect from a freshmen QB.
"we had a qb who could actually play a TRUE FRSHMAN"
and we still went 5-7, so there goes your diea that QB has been our problem.
@Poole1Dan the toledo game??? the same game where he through a pic that went 100 yards the other wayy ?? lol your a fool and yea we still went 5 and 7 because our defense was horrible and forcier showed he was a true freshman in many possesions but showed he was wayyy better than threet bye actually starting and keeping his job over a walk on lol hahahha
@Poole1Dan and having a qb freshman not be able to handle away games and defensive pressure and dont give me that bs about completion percentage cuz if its 3 and 10 and he completes a 4 yard pass that completion didnt mean shit so go ahead and keep that statistic and shove it up your ass
"if its 3 and 10 and he completes a 4 yard pass that completion didnt mean shit"
go back and watch everu USC game and tell me how many times that happened. i'm betting it didn't happen much at all. so shut you're fucknig mouth. Every football fan knows that completion percentage matters, whether its a 4 yard pass or a 40 yarder. The problem here is you, like many others, are a braindead dickrod supportwer comnig up with ludicrous reasons to shift the blame off him.
" i watched that orgeon game and that happend plenty of times"
In that game, Barkleys completion percentage was 5 points below his season average, and his QB rating of 108 was his 4th worst of the year. So if the oregon game is your example of short passes iinflating his completion percentage, then your example is a laughably shitty one
in 2009 (19) compared to 2008 (9). and Barkley? He completed 60% of his passes and led that epic GW drive against Ohio State. His 14 interceptions were not good, but to blame Barkley for USC's fall from grace in 2009 is absurd. You got another example?
@Poole1Dan wow he completed 60% of his passes wow omg ........lol he was the reason why they had a off year if mark sanchez was still there tell me it wouldnt be different??? exactly and that gw drive he so called led was actually led by mcknight who turned several little 5 yard passes into huge gains
hey dumbass: 60% is univerally considered to be a solid completion percentage. 60% was also Chad Henne's completion percentage in his sensational freshmen campaign of 2004. Are you going to bas Henne's brain in as well? Yeah, didn't think so.
"he was the reason why they had a off year"
did you even read a world of what I said about their regressing defense? I guess not. I'll repeat it agin for you:
They went from ranking 2nd nationally in total defense in 2008 to 40th in 2009. Scoring wise they went from 1st to 22nd, giving up twice as many PPG. in 2009 (19) compared to 2008 (9). DEFENSE was USC's problem-not to mention they suffered season ending injuries to their top tailback (Stafon Johnson) and their top receiver (Ronald Johnson). So your barkley argument is SHOT DOWN. Losing Sanchez hurt, but it was NOT the reason for USC's shortcomings last season
" if mark sanchez was still there tell me it wouldnt be different"
If Sanchez was still the QB, they still would have lost to Oregon and Stanford (hello, those games were blowouts), and probably would still have lost to arizona cause their defense collpaed late in the game, which you can't blame on any QB. So it would have been a little better, but not by much.
"who turned several little 5 yard passes into huge gains "
and who hit McKnight in perfect stride in order to make those plays, in the face of a roaring crowd and a vicious defense? Barkley. So yes, Barkley led that GW drive
"put a finished product Rich Rod team against Michigan in 2007."
I'd take the 2007 Wolverines over the 2005 Mountaineers easily, and against the 2006 and 2007 Mountaineers it'd be a toss-up that could go either way. Keep in mind that WVU's success under dickrod was bloated cause they were in the Big east, which is widely considred the weakest of the 6 BCS conferences.
these numbers make perfect sense, as having MORE TALENT makes you MORE LIKELY to become a productive college football player.
"I'm saying the star system is all about speculation"
No. its about measuring talent. the teams with the most 4 and 5 star recruits like Oklahoma and texas are also the MOST TALENTED teams. You're just mad at the star system cause the 2010 class that your husband dickrod has put together is composed of MAC level talent and not big ten quality talent. fucking loser!
Englemon had very little talent, but he was procutive because he had great football IQ, was a pretty solid tackler, and was coached up incredibly well by.....you guessed it, RON ENGLISH!!!!!
"was coached up incredibly well by.....you guessed it, RON ENGLISH!!!!!"
So what the fuck does this have to do with anything I'm talking about? Yet another sorry attempt to get off the subject.
This is the classic example of you not taking your meds, I can tell!!
Go write "I act like a idiot, when I do not take my meds" 2,500 times, then submit them to your parents. They're still responsible while you live at home in the basement.
I'm saying the star system is all about speculation, you FolybagDan, find it "rule of the thumb" and it is not.
How about Steve Schilling, a 5 star that received honorable mention this season. Now I'm not knocking Steve but by your silly rationale, this guy "should be" a solid NFL prospect. He was a 5 Star Recruit....unlikely the star actually means shit, except for speculation.
You don't know what Avery, or any of our prospects, have the potential to do, you're too busy looking pathetic.
Right now Schilling is projected as a late 7th round pick or as an undrafted free agent/practice squad player, The fact that he's not a first day prospect is indicative of poor coaching from Greg Frey, not his alck of talent.
Yes, I do have an idea of how good Avery will be, because I have HISTORY and empircal evidenc eto back myself up.
"Nothing to do with 2 different coaches in 2-3 years?"
Frey inhertied an o-line that, starter for starter, was as talented as the 2001 o-line and yet was half as effective as the 2001 o-line (I'll prove this to you if you want me to. Its a a bit detailed). Schilling was the anchor of that 2008 o-line. so yeah, its on Frey. The apples don't all far from the tree when it comes to dickrod
also, Brandon Minor had two different coaches in two years as well, and he was still a playmaker on the
touches he got. Its not a coaching transition. Many players go thorugh coaching transtions and come out better then before (see the entire Michigan defense in 2006 under English after Herrman was fired). its poor coaching. Schilling would probably bea muich better NFL prospect then he is right now if Andy Moeller was still the o-line coach. and if you disagree with this speculation, then prove it with your own logic and reasoning and, and try and collect facts that support your viewpoint.
"and try and collect facts that support your viewpoint. "
I'm not the one out here expressing my opinions, calling them "facts". You need to form your own ideas. Youu form your thoughts on everyone elses opinions. You don't come on here with facts, you throw your opinion on deaf ears, that right there should tell you you're wrong., Maybe, by the time you earn your shitty diploma from OU, you'll learn this...MAYBE!
"So what the fuck does this have to do with anything I'm talking about?"
You are saying that Englemon was productive cause he somehow had good talent that the star system didn't pick up. That is a conspriacy theory on youy part. I, on the other hand, decided to take the logical route and look at intangibles such as his football IQ/awareness, his abilities as a tackler, and who was coaching him. get it? Probabaly not. But I don't care. its the truth. and its right on subject
3. What are you trying to prove by saying Carson Butler left? How is that even relevant to his talent or production? He left long after he had established himself as a productive TE, and he had also shown that he was a talented player who slipped through the cracks cause he didn't get his name into the recruyiting game until really late
4. ALL punters are 3 stars. So your argument about Meskos production proves nothing.
5. Orttman never garnered any type of all big ten honors (not even honorable mention). so now you'rre just making shit up, even when you're proving a point that has nothing to do with what the star system measures: talent. how pathetically embarrasing!
6. Mathews and Moutam weren't starrs cause they were under-utilized (Mathews), or received terrible coaching (Moutan).
7. Hemingway was a 3 star recruit, but even if he was a blue chipper, the fact remains that he's udner-utilzied as well
"Again there is NO WAY for you to know whos who on the practice field"
its not speculation. its an observation of fact. Mathews and Hemingway have not gotten the ball thrown there way much. when they HAVE (see Western Michigan Illinois, Notre Dame, and Penn State last year), they've been playmakers.
No, its not my opinion. watch the games: Mathews and hemingway don't get the ball thrown their way nearly enough times to be consistent playmakers. but when they do gt the ball thrown their way, they put up good stats.
8. you ahve bitched for a year now about how dickrod needed to bring in his own players and was sattled with Carrs unfit players, and yet here you are praising Orttman and Thompson, two players who ahd little talent and played like garbage the past two seasons. You are a HYPOCRITE!!!
I praise all players who can pack the gear to serve in Michigan's transition....if that makes me a "hypoicrite", Damm right I am! But do yourself a favor, look up the word before trying to put your community college education to work, you use it incorrectly too often!
You're a hypcorite because you say one thing when it justifies your argument, and then go the complete opposite way when it justifies your argument. You want to use Orttmans crappiness and his "awesomeness" for the same purpose of defending your boy, dickrod. its laughable!!!
Jonas-4 star(really living it up) same with your BOY MATTHEWS, 4 star, NOT living it up!
Brandon Graham, the only 5 star who lived up the hype!
'07...7 out hf 20 recruits were pegged by you as "Blue Chip" recruits (4 star or higher), this includes yet another prospect you LOVE to slurp on, Hemingway, a 4 star, who isn't living it up.
Your star system argument is dumb, you can't possibly know the true potential of any player, you're a DORK looking outside through the window, you have no clue what these kids can do that are being recruited, again, take you meds and go to bed!
"you have no clue what these kids can do that are being recruited"
\again, the star system measures talent. Future production in college is dependent on way more then just talent. Production is also dependent on developmental coaching, being in the right system, being given chances to succeed, having your head in the right place (unlike Kelly Baraka or James McKinney), being comfortable with the university you are attending, how much work you put in, and the like. the star system measures
"You got that right SLAPPY, so we'll see if these new recruits can get the job done."
this does nothing to take away from the fact that dickrod stupidly jammed his bullshit system down the players throats and hence fucked up the entire offense in 2008. it is retarted decisions like this that have resulted in the 8-16 record over the last two seasons. Like Mike Hart said: "If you're at Michigan not making a bowl game, you're not going to last."
NONE of that. It measures raw talent and raw talent alone. Thats why you can have two given highschool players put up similar stats in their highschool careers, but one player goes to USC and the other gets no scholarship offers. One player had collegel level talent, the other did not
dickrod DID inherit PLENTY of talent, and he WASTED it
you've deflated nothing. yuor examples were based on the players production (and you even got that wrong half the time). They had nothing to do with talent.
Let me repeat this again: 1 in 358 two star recruits becomes an All American, 1 in 147 three stars becomes an all american, 1 in 54 fouyr stars becomes an AA, and 1 in FIFTEEN 5 stars becomes an all american
You are 1 fucked up indivdual, how does this even say throwing stones? Geeez you're an idiot. I can tell you never get laid, what kind of woman would want to have a conversation with this kind of dribble.
You don't have a clue of a 2 stars abilities to produce in college, you put too much weight on the star system. It;'s not the only indicator, but please, continue to look like an ass...you are a FOOL.
3. 75% of the class is composed of 3 stars and 2 stars, whereas previous Michigan classes had half their classes composed of blue chippers. Ergo, this class is a bad class.
4. Avery is a 3 star not evenr ated among the top cornerbacks or among the top players in ohip. His only two big offers were michigan and Stanford. Avery is indeed an average talent
5. Most 3 starts do not become playmakers, so he's not likely to become a playmaker.
I ahve evidence to back up my opinions. you do not.
"I highly doubt Avery gives a shit what a shitty Michigan fan like you thinks!"
I doubt he cares what I think either. I'm just a vocie crying in the wilderness. But still, I hope he reads my critique of him and is motivated to go out and be a playmaker and prove his doubters (of which I am one of them) wrong.
It doesn't matter that Florida was "sniffing around" Avery. They never extended him an offer, which means they didn't think he was good enough to play for them. Which is no surprise. Avery is ranked as the 51st best player in Ohio and is not ranked among the cornerbacks for a reason: he's an average talent. He's likely not gonig to be a playmaker. If he reads this, then may my words be motivation for him to go out there and kick ass
@Bi-Polar1Dan "Avery is ranked as the 51st best player in Ohio and is not ranked among the cornerbacks for a reason: he's an average talent. He's likely not gonig to be a playmaker."
YET, another Recruit you were absolutely wrong on. By all accounts, it appears this kid has a starting position LOCKED UP! See what I mean about making lofty predictions? YOU KNOW NOTHING LISPER!
i still don't know why you guys say "go blue". Blue is a color it's not like were saying "go red".
St0pTheInsan1ty1 2 months ago
@St0pTheInsan1ty1 You wouldn't understand..you're an idiot remember? At least you knew Blue was color, so we can assume you've passed finger painting.
Brewhaman 2 months ago
@St0pTheInsan1ty1 Actually, people in Ohio DO in fact say "Go Red"
I live here, I know.
Oh, and that is why we beat Ohio this year.
So, GO BLUE!
ItsAnAliThing101 2 months ago
Michigan can't beat ohio, so hey mind as well recruit our athletes
St0pTheInsan1ty1 2 months ago
@cvd13ent Yes sir, sealed the game for us!! I was however holding my breath when it was him? or Floyd that got burnt before the interception? Anyway, yes! We are back and now Urban is the most hated man in Michigan. Good luck with that Spread Urban, take a note from RichRod...and good luck NOT getting away with what the SEC allows. OH! And have fun with the NCAA wrath too!
~GO BLUE!!
Brewhaman 2 months ago
@Brewhaman RichRod is a horrible coach. That is why it didn't work
St0pTheInsan1ty1 2 months ago
@St0pTheInsan1ty1 you're a dumbass, go back to school, learn to spell this time and try again, you're a faliure.
Brewhaman 2 months ago
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@Brewhama you have nothing to say to me because you know im right. Go suck your thumb and drink a juice box you little bitch.
St0pTheInsan1ty1 2 months ago
Time to step up kid, the team needs you!
~GO BLUE!!
Brewhaman 1 year ago
Well, he had a fantastic highschool career, so maybe he's a sleeper.
Go Blue!
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
@Poole1Dan
DUHHHHHH....
fucking florida was after him a week ago, if that doesn't say sleeper I don't know what does. And guess what....the star system says he's not good. This '10 class is solid!
Brewhaman 2 years ago
Florida never extended an offer to him according to rivals. His biggest offer other then Michigan was Stanford. Otherwise, he had offers from the likes of Army, Bowling Green, and Eastern Michigan. On top of that, he's not ranked among the top cornerbacks, and he's only ranked as the 51st player in Ohio. So no, he's not a slam dunk sleeper. He MIGHT be a sleeper. Or he might be the next James Rogers. I hope its the former
The 2010 class is the worst class in over a decade, so the fact
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
@Poole1Dan
According to the "know it all"recruiting sites, maybe the class does look bad against the star system, but all of the athletes coming in makes this a very good class. Florida WAS sniffing around at Avery, the fact that Florida was interested deflates your entire dumbfuck "logic or reason",so stick that one in your boyfriends ass Lisper!
"you refuse to see logic or reason"
LOL, no, I just refuse to look at your idealology...you're an unmedicated, idealist...oh yeah,and a PUSSY!!
Brewhaman 2 years ago
that you are so ezcited about it shows that you have dickrods dick so far up your vagina that you refuse to see logic or reason.
Go blue
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
The fact that you're typing so fast and making 10:1 typo errors shows how much of an effect my reasoning has on you laddy-buck....
I bet your face was all red and you were mashing the keys when you seen my post (once again) made you look like a horses ass....you're losing it schitzo, take your meds!
Brewhaman 2 years ago
1. even in an attempt to capitalize on a mistake that I often make (typing errors) you fail miserably. In the two posts I made yesterday, I only mistyped one word (excited), and that was only cause the X and the Z are right next to eachother.
2. The fact that you are resorting to calling out typing errors I might have shows that you have run out of ANYTHING vald to say to me and are just making pathetic straw mans arguments. I have wasted your arguments about dickrod, and now you're just
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
@Foole1Fan
Look at all your opinions outlined, that's all you offer in any post...
Biased, delusional, self serving opinions.
You're like a pathetic informercial at best Lisper!
Brewhaman 2 years ago
throwing hay at me like the fat, mid life-crisis riddent cunt that you are.
Now, about what you said with the recruiting class: what evidence do you have that this is a very good class? The only bonafidly good athletes that we have are Devin Gardner and Marvin Robinson. I'm sure one of the 3 star sorts (probabaly Austin White) is a sleeper, but law of probablity says that most 3 star guys are not gonig to be playmakers, and considering we have mostly 3 star guys, this class is NOT a good
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
Brewhaman 2 years ago
1. All these opinions are backed up with facts and reasoning. Robinson and Gardner are the only blue chip athletes int he class, ergo, they are the only bonafidly good athletes. The rest are either average or just plain old bad athletes, as they are 3 stars and 2 stars.
2. look it up: the majority of the playmakers in college football are blue chip recruits. the law of probability about most 3 stars not being playmakers is a fact, not an opinion.
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
That's great.
Youre Opinion.
No one cares! Especially the"real" M fans.
"Ergo",sigh..again with the"blog" terminology...
This kid will provide better competition at Michigan than they currently have, open your eyes cocknuckle! Florida knew this, we real fans know this,you do not. And just mute your"vocie crying in the wilderness"crap, it sounds more like a baby being wiened of the nipple.Support the efforts being put into the program or step aside, your negative ass-essment is not needed.
Brewhaman 2 years ago
"This kid will provide better competition at Michigan than they currently have"
Thats nice. any walkon can do that. The fact that Avery will provide 'better competition' does not make him an asset
'Florida knew this'
evidently not seeing as they did not offer him a scholarship.
'Support the efforts being put into the program or step aside'
i'll do that if i see that they are, you know, WORKING. otherwise, fuck it! I'm not going to be a blind disciple to dickrod or anyone else!
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
@Poole1Dan
"I'm not going to be a blind disciple to dickrod"
Biggest Fairweather Fan Response of 2010...congratulations!
everything else you wrote is again, opinion and spectulation, YAWN!!...
Brewhaman 2 years ago
Just because I like making you look stupid, i did some research. Look at the weight you put on the silly star system-
Just look at this list of recruits starting in 2002.
Ruben Riley-3 star-Starter-All B10
David Harris-3 star-All B10, Roger Zatkoff Award, Semi Finalist for the Butkis.
'03
Brandent Engleman-2 star-All B10 and became a legitimate starter.
2004
Charles Stewart-3 star-All B10, Starter
Jamar Adams-3 star, All B10, Starter (part of the '07 stellar defense of yours)
Brewhaman 2 years ago
This is going to be a one-shot kill for me:
NONE of those examples you gave disprove my argument, because you're talking about production, not talent. The star system measures talent, not future college production. Harris, Riley, Englemon and all those guys were COACHED UP to be great players by Carr and friends. Carr did WAY MORE with the talent he had then dickrod did. Carr had as much talent as dickrod did the past two seasons, and he produced an annual top 20 team out of it. *kisses*
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
"The star system measures talent, not future college production"
Then STFU about the recruits coming in whistle dick!
Brewhaman 2 years ago
"Then STFU about the recruits coming in whistle dick!"
Not gonna happen. This 2010 class is dangeriously short on talent compared to previous Michigan classes. and the talent drop seen in the 2010 class and early forcastings for the 2011 class is an indictment on dickrods performance at Michigan. Blue chippers don't want sto play for a team that perenially losses, ehcne why you see them go to, you know, the top teams.
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
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" This 2010 class is dangeriously short on talent"
Opinion...again.
the 2007 class had 13 out of 20 commits that were 3 stars or below, get your head out of your lovers lap sonny boy!
Brewhaman 2 years ago
"the 2007 class had 13 out of 20 commits that were 3 stars or below"
and the 2007 class was considered a below average class compared to previous classes. This 2010 class is ranked almost 10 spots lower then the 2007 class and has few blue chippers and a much fewer percentage of the total commits who are blue chippers. the 2007 class was below average, and the 2010 class is just plain bad.
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
" the 2010 class is just plain bad"
Opinion.
Brewhaman 2 years ago
its an opinion backed up by facts. go back and read what i said if you need claification. fag
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
BTW, I must point out some other flaws you made with your examples:
1. Charles Stewart was never a starter. He redshirted in 04, was the dimeback in 05 (4th cornerback), was the nickelback in 06 (3rd cornerback), then substituted at SS in 07 and 08.
2. John Thompson was NOT a reliable starter. He was disgustingly bad as the starting SLB in 2008. he was slow, immobile, and completely unfit to be a starting linebacker for Michigan. He might have made a decent MLB, but sucked at OLB
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
#1. BULLSHIT, check out a roster once in a while, Stewart WAS the starter thumb dick!
Brewhaman 2 years ago
"Stewart WAS the starter thumb dick!"
no he wasn't. In 05, the starting cornerbacks were Leon Hall and Grant Mason, and the starting safeties were Willis Barringer and Jamar Adams. In 06, the CB's were Hall and Morgan trent, and the safeties were Adams and Barringer. In 07 the CB's were Trent and Donovan Warren, and the safeties were Adams and Englemon. In 08, the CB's were Trent and Warren, and the safeties were Stevie Brown and Brandon Harrison. Look it up
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
And you also realize that Englemon is/was a 2 STAR PROSPECT, yet he was a star at Michigan...once more, your stupid logic has been proven wrong!
Brewhaman 2 years ago
I already shot this argument down, but I'll do it again:
Englemons productive career at Michigan does not prove that he was talented nor does it prove that the star system doesn't matter. why? Because the star system doesn't reflect projected college production. It reflects pure raw talent. And Englemon definitely lacked in talent. He was slow, immobile, and couldn't jump that high. Hence why he was a 2 star lacking in any type of rankings whose only other offer was Kentucky.
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
@Poole1Dan
"Because the star system doesn't reflect projected college production"
Then you have no argument about how players with low recruiting stars cannot be stars in college. Stop wasting my time.
Brewhaman 2 years ago
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"Then you have no argument about how players with low recruiting stars cannot be stars in college."
Yes I do. Check out the latest Dr. Saturday article called 'Mister Relevant: Why you shouldn't dismiss recruiting rankings.' In this article, you will find that 1 in 358 two star recruits becomes an All American, 1 in 147 three stars becomes an all american, 1 in 54 fouyr stars becomes an AA, and 1 in FIFTEEN 5 stars becomes an all american
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
@Poole1Dan
I'm not saying there isn't a bigger up-side to 4-5 star recruits, but you soley base how well a kid will/can do on their star status alone and you're DEAD WRONG!
Stop forming your ideals from blogs, they're somewhat imformative, but they're inaccurate.
Brewhaman 2 years ago
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"I'm not saying there isn't a bigger up-side to 4-5 star recruits"
there you go again contraditcing yourself. You said that I shouldn't put weight in the so called 'silly' star system, but now you admit the star system is valid once I throw the FACTS in your fat face. you said that 'all of the athletes coming in makes this a very good class,' even though you acknowledge that blue chip recruits are way more likely to become successful then the podunk MAC recruits in the 2010 class.
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
"you soley base how well a kid will/can do on their star status alone"
No I don't. The star system has a proven hisotry of success, so i'm simply following the odds. and the ODDS are that this 2010 class will not produce alot of good production. It is a class made up mostly of contributors and decent backups or subsitutes. The star system makes concious what is already suspected subconciously: that the more talent you have (higher star rating), the more likely you are to produce. (=
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
"Stop forming your ideals from blogs"
This isn't even an opinion from myself or from mgoblog. Its empricial research, and it just so happens to destroy your rediculous claim that the star system is silly. You WANT to beleive that this 2010 class is good. You WANT to believe its talented. but you've got nothing to back yourself up. sucks to be you!
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
" Its empricial research"
LMFAO...ok.
"so i'm simply following the odds"
I know, you're a follower, not a leader, so I see some sense in that delusional logic.
"this 2010 class will not produce alot of good production"
Opinion...again!
"The star system makes concious what is already suspected subconciously"
Are we in Psychology class now? LMFAO!!
Keep 'em coming shaggy, real M fans are laughing our asses off at you!
Brewhaman 2 years ago
""this 2010 class will not produce alot of good production"
Opinion...again!"
No, its not opinion. I said that the odds are that the 2010 class will not be good, and as you can see with the Dr. Saturday article, that is a statement of fact. did your mommy not teach you how to do math?
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
"No, its not opinion"
Yes it is...you're full of speculated opinions, period.
Brewhaman 2 years ago
"Dr. Saturday article"
It's funny that you think BLOGS are fact. Again, stop reading Blogs like they are law of the land you dumb fucking adolecent.
Brewhaman 2 years ago
Read the article. Dr. Saturday didn't pull anything out of his ass. he conducted research and published the results. but you hate the truth, and thats your problem. the fact remains that blue chippers are much more likely to become playmakers then the 2 and 3 star guys who compose the 2010 class
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
"but you hate the truth, and thats your problem"
You not taking your perscribed meds is the problem fruitcake.
That and iyou can't see the entire forrest, you spend your life looking at the individual tree.
Brewhaman 2 years ago
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"Dr. Saturday didn't pull anything out of his ass"
Of course he didn't, he's the law of the land for you...keep your stupid opinions to yourself and off the prospects page, no one cares.
Brewhaman 2 years ago
again, read the article and see the evidence for yourself. if you can't read, thats not my problem.
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
"thats not my problem. "
No...not taking your meds is the problem Looney Tunes, we've already covered that!
Brewhaman 2 years ago
@Poole1Dan Who would you have hired as head coach in 2008? Second, put Threet/Sheridan at quarterback in 2007. How many wins do we get? Finally, put a finished product Rich Rod team against Michigan in 2007. As a hardcore Michigan fan during those days, the last coach I wanted to face was Rich Rod.
sportsfreak800 2 years ago
"Who would you have hired as head coach in 2008? "
I would have hired an innovative head coach from the schembechler tree such as Jim Harbaugh, Cam Cameron, or Brady Hoke.
"put Threet/Sheridan at quarterback in 2007"
I say we get 6 or 7 wins in that case. We definitely would not have beaten Illinois or Michigan State had it not been for Henne's heroics, and we might not have beaten Northwestern. Whats your point? 6 or 7 wins is good enoigh for a Bowl game and a winning record
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
If we lose all three, that's 5 wins, not a winning record, and no bowl. The point is that team was loaded with experienced, talented seniors on offense probably wouldn't have gotten to a bowl with Threet, and likely the same with Mallett who was awful. But we expect Rich Rod to do better with Sheridan/Threet and few experienced starters in a new system or with a true freshman quarterback? It's not really fair to expect the same results when the conditions are very different.
sportsfreak800 2 years ago
"The point is that team was loaded with experienced, talented seniors on offense probably wouldn't have gotten to a bowl with Threet"
But you are making the false assumption that the problems with the 2007 team were the inexperience of mallet at QB. Mike Hart was also injured. The offensive line was in limbo all year due to injuries. Our very solid defense unfortunately did not show up until the 3rd game against ND, which cost us the first two games against App state and Oregon.
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
What I'm saying is your logic that dickrod couldn't be expected to succeed with Threet at QB doesn't fly because the problems that the 2007 team faced go way beyond inexperince at QB.
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
lol the most important position on the field is qb u dumbass ask usc how a freshman qb affects your team and matt barkley is better than both sheridan and threet and there team was filled with wayy more talent this past year than michigan had in 08
TheGloveMI 2 years ago
"the most important position on the field is qb u dumbass"
thankyou captain obvious. This still does not disprove my point that Michigans problems in 2008 went way beyond that of inexperience at QB. You had wretched offensive line play, bad defensive schemes, horrible tackling, no pass rush aside from Brandon Graham, wrong playrs on the field at receiver and tailback, an offense that didn't fit the skillset of the players, special teams breakdowns, fumbles, and more. And all of this shit can
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
be traced back to horrible coaching from dickrod an friends, as I've explained numerous times on numerous youtube videos. So no, Threets inxperience was NOT the reason michigan went 3-9, and to sue it as an excuse for dickrod is Grade-A pathetic
"ask usc how a freshman qb affects your team"
USC's problem in 2009 was defense you retard! They went from ranking 2nd nationally in total defense in 2008 to 40th in 2009. Scoring wise they went from 1st to 22nd, giving up twice as many PPG
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
@Poole1Dan your right threets inexperience wasnt the problem it was because he sucked lol
TheGloveMI 2 years ago
"it was because he sucked"
Are you implying that he was not talented or that he played poorly? Cause if its the former, then you're factually wrong. Threet was a mid level 4 star recruit and a top 10 rated QB nationally and a top 10 player in the state of Michigan. But if its the latter, then you can't blame that on Threet cause he was a redshirt freshman with the wrong starters around him at the skill positions, and dickrod forced him to run an offense that didn't suit him.
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
who cares what he was ranked in highschool lol are you a moron ??? the matter of fact if a player is good or not is what he does on the field and threet didnt do shit nor will he ever do shit
TheGloveMI 2 years ago
"who cares what he was ranked in highschool lol are you a moron"
read an article by Dr. Saturday called "Mister Relevant: Why you shouldn't dismiss recruiting rankings" and tell me again that recruiting ranksings don't matter. dumbass
" is what he does on the field"
and how well a player does on the field is mostly a matter of the coachnig he receives. He must be developed properly. He must be put in the right system. and in the case of Threet, he must not have his coach surround
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
him with inexperienced freshmen when there are plenty of experiencedm proven players at the coaches disposal. Threet never had a chance in hell of suceeding thanks to dickrod. Never mind the fact that redshirt freshmen QB tend to go through growing pains (perfect example: Jimmy Clausen).
"nor will he ever do shit"
If he does well with Arizona state this season, you and his other haters will be my youtube bitch for years to come!
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
lol clausen was never a red shirt freshman for one and for two threets problem wasnt growing pains the guy didnt have ONE good game not ONE in fact in the wisconsin game i think our offense had negative yards int he first half that is horribile and it didnt happen this past year cuz we had a qb who could actually play a TRUE FRSHMAN
TheGloveMI 2 years ago
shit. my bad. you're right, Clausen was not a redshirt freshman. I shou;dn;t have puit redshirt in there. what I meant to say was freshmen quarterbacks in general (redshirt freshmen or true freshmen) bith struggle all the time. why? well, a big part is cause they are totally inexperienced. So when you say Threet sucks and won't do shit, thats just an ignorant statement that disregards Threets situation.
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
@Poole1Dan yea your right it is your bad cuz u knwo nothing about college football moron clausen a red shit freshman lol haha what a idiot
TheGloveMI 2 years ago
"the guy didnt have ONE good game not ONE"
LIE. Threet went 16-23 for 175 yards, 1 TD and 0 picks. His yards per attempt was 7.6, and his completion percentage was a Sam Bradford like 69%. Then against Penn State, Threet went 9-13 for 84 yards before having to leave cause he got injured. This is also a 69% completion percentage, and its 6.5 YPA. and against Purdue, although he had a bad completion percentage, he still threw 2 TD to no picks and led the team to 42 points.
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
@Poole1Dan lol your a moroen those arnt good games at all lol 84 yards ??? your a idiot
TheGloveMI 2 years ago
Against Illinois, he 18-35 for 250 yards, 2 TD and no picks, which is a pedestrian completion percentage but is also 7.1 YPA. Hell, aside from one bone headed play against Toledo, he was a respectable 7-10 for 55 yards qith 1 TD to no more picks in one half. He was statistically bad against Utah and Wisconsin but led the team to the biggest Big House comeback ever against wisky and came up just short of a 15 point comeback against Utah.
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
@Poole1Dan you call throwing for 55 yards good lol are u a moron ??
TheGloveMI 2 years ago
threet had 3-5 good games statistically in 2008 depending on how you view the Purdue and toledo games. Given that he started 8 games, bneing successful in rouyghly half of them is about what anyone would expect from a freshmen QB.
"we had a qb who could actually play a TRUE FRSHMAN"
and we still went 5-7, so there goes your diea that QB has been our problem.
Go Blue!
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
@Poole1Dan the toledo game??? the same game where he through a pic that went 100 yards the other wayy ?? lol your a fool and yea we still went 5 and 7 because our defense was horrible and forcier showed he was a true freshman in many possesions but showed he was wayyy better than threet bye actually starting and keeping his job over a walk on lol hahahha
TheGloveMI 2 years ago
@Poole1Dan and having a qb freshman not be able to handle away games and defensive pressure and dont give me that bs about completion percentage cuz if its 3 and 10 and he completes a 4 yard pass that completion didnt mean shit so go ahead and keep that statistic and shove it up your ass
TheGloveMI 2 years ago
"if its 3 and 10 and he completes a 4 yard pass that completion didnt mean shit"
go back and watch everu USC game and tell me how many times that happened. i'm betting it didn't happen much at all. so shut you're fucknig mouth. Every football fan knows that completion percentage matters, whether its a 4 yard pass or a 40 yarder. The problem here is you, like many others, are a braindead dickrod supportwer comnig up with ludicrous reasons to shift the blame off him.
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
actually i watched that orgeon game and that happend plenty of times
TheGloveMI 2 years ago
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" i watched that orgeon game and that happend plenty of times"
In that game, Barkleys completion percentage was 5 points below his season average, and his QB rating of 108 was his 4th worst of the year. So if the oregon game is your example of short passes iinflating his completion percentage, then your example is a laughably shitty one
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
your a msu fan quit talking to me about michigan
TheGloveMI 2 years ago
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"your a msu fan"
and where's your evidence for that? when have I ever said I like the spartans or implied that i like the spartans?
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
in 2009 (19) compared to 2008 (9). and Barkley? He completed 60% of his passes and led that epic GW drive against Ohio State. His 14 interceptions were not good, but to blame Barkley for USC's fall from grace in 2009 is absurd. You got another example?
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
@Poole1Dan wow he completed 60% of his passes wow omg ........lol he was the reason why they had a off year if mark sanchez was still there tell me it wouldnt be different??? exactly and that gw drive he so called led was actually led by mcknight who turned several little 5 yard passes into huge gains
TheGloveMI 2 years ago
"wow he completed 60% of his passes"
hey dumbass: 60% is univerally considered to be a solid completion percentage. 60% was also Chad Henne's completion percentage in his sensational freshmen campaign of 2004. Are you going to bas Henne's brain in as well? Yeah, didn't think so.
"he was the reason why they had a off year"
did you even read a world of what I said about their regressing defense? I guess not. I'll repeat it agin for you:
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
They went from ranking 2nd nationally in total defense in 2008 to 40th in 2009. Scoring wise they went from 1st to 22nd, giving up twice as many PPG. in 2009 (19) compared to 2008 (9). DEFENSE was USC's problem-not to mention they suffered season ending injuries to their top tailback (Stafon Johnson) and their top receiver (Ronald Johnson). So your barkley argument is SHOT DOWN. Losing Sanchez hurt, but it was NOT the reason for USC's shortcomings last season
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
" if mark sanchez was still there tell me it wouldnt be different"
If Sanchez was still the QB, they still would have lost to Oregon and Stanford (hello, those games were blowouts), and probably would still have lost to arizona cause their defense collpaed late in the game, which you can't blame on any QB. So it would have been a little better, but not by much.
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
"who turned several little 5 yard passes into huge gains "
and who hit McKnight in perfect stride in order to make those plays, in the face of a roaring crowd and a vicious defense? Barkley. So yes, Barkley led that GW drive
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
"put a finished product Rich Rod team against Michigan in 2007."
I'd take the 2007 Wolverines over the 2005 Mountaineers easily, and against the 2006 and 2007 Mountaineers it'd be a toss-up that could go either way. Keep in mind that WVU's success under dickrod was bloated cause they were in the Big east, which is widely considred the weakest of the 6 BCS conferences.
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
poole1dan is a dumbass every video i go to he is bashing michigan and has negative comments
TheGloveMI 2 years ago
these numbers make perfect sense, as having MORE TALENT makes you MORE LIKELY to become a productive college football player.
"I'm saying the star system is all about speculation"
No. its about measuring talent. the teams with the most 4 and 5 star recruits like Oklahoma and texas are also the MOST TALENTED teams. You're just mad at the star system cause the 2010 class that your husband dickrod has put together is composed of MAC level talent and not big ten quality talent. fucking loser!
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
"You're just mad at the star system"
LMFAO, I'm not mad about anything junior!
If anything, it's funny that I deflate every single point you think you have, I'm laughing at you kidd-o, not cursing!
Brewhaman 2 years ago
Englemon had very little talent, but he was procutive because he had great football IQ, was a pretty solid tackler, and was coached up incredibly well by.....you guessed it, RON ENGLISH!!!!!
How do you like them apples bitch?
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
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@Poole1Dan
"was coached up incredibly well by.....you guessed it, RON ENGLISH!!!!!"
So what the fuck does this have to do with anything I'm talking about? Yet another sorry attempt to get off the subject.
This is the classic example of you not taking your meds, I can tell!!
Go write "I act like a idiot, when I do not take my meds" 2,500 times, then submit them to your parents. They're still responsible while you live at home in the basement.
Brewhaman 2 years ago
I'm saying the star system is all about speculation, you FolybagDan, find it "rule of the thumb" and it is not.
How about Steve Schilling, a 5 star that received honorable mention this season. Now I'm not knocking Steve but by your silly rationale, this guy "should be" a solid NFL prospect. He was a 5 Star Recruit....unlikely the star actually means shit, except for speculation.
You don't know what Avery, or any of our prospects, have the potential to do, you're too busy looking pathetic.
Brewhaman 2 years ago
Right now Schilling is projected as a late 7th round pick or as an undrafted free agent/practice squad player, The fact that he's not a first day prospect is indicative of poor coaching from Greg Frey, not his alck of talent.
Yes, I do have an idea of how good Avery will be, because I have HISTORY and empircal evidenc eto back myself up.
Read it and weap.
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
"The fact that he's not a first day prospect is indicative of poor coaching from Greg Frey"
Nothing to do with 2 different coaches in 2-3 years? Again, OPINION!
I've proven your stupid argument to be nothing more than speculation and slef-serving OPINIONS.
Try another angle fruitcake, you've been getting your ass kicked by me all over this board for the past few days, give it up & shut up.
Brewhaman 2 years ago
"Nothing to do with 2 different coaches in 2-3 years?"
Frey inhertied an o-line that, starter for starter, was as talented as the 2001 o-line and yet was half as effective as the 2001 o-line (I'll prove this to you if you want me to. Its a a bit detailed). Schilling was the anchor of that 2008 o-line. so yeah, its on Frey. The apples don't all far from the tree when it comes to dickrod
also, Brandon Minor had two different coaches in two years as well, and he was still a playmaker on the
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
touches he got. Its not a coaching transition. Many players go thorugh coaching transtions and come out better then before (see the entire Michigan defense in 2006 under English after Herrman was fired). its poor coaching. Schilling would probably bea muich better NFL prospect then he is right now if Andy Moeller was still the o-line coach. and if you disagree with this speculation, then prove it with your own logic and reasoning and, and try and collect facts that support your viewpoint.
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
"Its not a coaching transition"
Opinion.
" its poor coaching"
Opinion.
"and try and collect facts that support your viewpoint. "
I'm not the one out here expressing my opinions, calling them "facts". You need to form your own ideas. Youu form your thoughts on everyone elses opinions. You don't come on here with facts, you throw your opinion on deaf ears, that right there should tell you you're wrong., Maybe, by the time you earn your shitty diploma from OU, you'll learn this...MAYBE!
Brewhaman 2 years ago
yep. thats what i thought. You've got nothing to back yourself up. Just incoherent ramblings
Go Blue
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
"yep. thats what i thought. You've got nothing to back yourself up. Just incoherent ramblings"
Another final grasp at yet another failed argument, go home puddles, I've been beating that ass all over youtube for 4 days straight!
Brewhaman 2 years ago
"So what the fuck does this have to do with anything I'm talking about?"
You are saying that Englemon was productive cause he somehow had good talent that the star system didn't pick up. That is a conspriacy theory on youy part. I, on the other hand, decided to take the logical route and look at intangibles such as his football IQ/awareness, his abilities as a tackler, and who was coaching him. get it? Probabaly not. But I don't care. its the truth. and its right on subject
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
You're losing it slappy, take a double dosage of your medication!
Brewhaman 2 years ago
3. What are you trying to prove by saying Carson Butler left? How is that even relevant to his talent or production? He left long after he had established himself as a productive TE, and he had also shown that he was a talented player who slipped through the cracks cause he didn't get his name into the recruyiting game until really late
4. ALL punters are 3 stars. So your argument about Meskos production proves nothing.
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
5. Orttman never garnered any type of all big ten honors (not even honorable mention). so now you'rre just making shit up, even when you're proving a point that has nothing to do with what the star system measures: talent. how pathetically embarrasing!
6. Mathews and Moutam weren't starrs cause they were under-utilized (Mathews), or received terrible coaching (Moutan).
7. Hemingway was a 3 star recruit, but even if he was a blue chipper, the fact remains that he's udner-utilzied as well
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
"under-utilized"
Again there is NO WAY for you to know whos who on the practice field, you speculate entirely too much, which is why your arguments are rediculous!
Brewhaman 2 years ago
"Again there is NO WAY for you to know whos who on the practice field"
its not speculation. its an observation of fact. Mathews and Hemingway have not gotten the ball thrown there way much. when they HAVE (see Western Michigan Illinois, Notre Dame, and Penn State last year), they've been playmakers.
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
"its an observation of fact"
LOL, no it isn't, it's your deranged opinion(s)
Brewhaman 2 years ago
No, its not my opinion. watch the games: Mathews and hemingway don't get the ball thrown their way nearly enough times to be consistent playmakers. but when they do gt the ball thrown their way, they put up good stats.
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
YAwn.......
Brewhaman 2 years ago
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"No, its not my opinion"
LMAO, everything you post is "your" opinion shit stain, there is no logic or factual stuff to back your claims, pure delusional GARBAGE!
Brewhaman 2 years ago
8. you ahve bitched for a year now about how dickrod needed to bring in his own players and was sattled with Carrs unfit players, and yet here you are praising Orttman and Thompson, two players who ahd little talent and played like garbage the past two seasons. You are a HYPOCRITE!!!
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
I praise all players who can pack the gear to serve in Michigan's transition....if that makes me a "hypoicrite", Damm right I am! But do yourself a favor, look up the word before trying to put your community college education to work, you use it incorrectly too often!
Brewhaman 2 years ago
You're a hypcorite because you say one thing when it justifies your argument, and then go the complete opposite way when it justifies your argument. You want to use Orttmans crappiness and his "awesomeness" for the same purpose of defending your boy, dickrod. its laughable!!!
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
"You're a hypcorite because you say one thing when it justifies your argument"
Kid look in the f-ing mirror, LMFAO!!
You pick and choose EVERYTHING youwant to whine about, please!
Brewhaman 2 years ago
'04 continued...
Mike Hart-3 star-All B10, Maxwell Award Winner.
John Thompson-3 star-Reliable Starter
'05
Your BOY, Carson Butler-3 star, LEFT!
Zoltan Mesko-3 star-Best Punter in this years NFL draft, several awards.
Mark Ortman-3 star-B10 honors, STARTER!
Brewhaman 2 years ago
'06
Jonas-4 star(really living it up) same with your BOY MATTHEWS, 4 star, NOT living it up!
Brandon Graham, the only 5 star who lived up the hype!
'07...7 out hf 20 recruits were pegged by you as "Blue Chip" recruits (4 star or higher), this includes yet another prospect you LOVE to slurp on, Hemingway, a 4 star, who isn't living it up.
Brewhaman 2 years ago
Your star system argument is dumb, you can't possibly know the true potential of any player, you're a DORK looking outside through the window, you have no clue what these kids can do that are being recruited, again, take you meds and go to bed!
Brewhaman 2 years ago
"you have no clue what these kids can do that are being recruited"
\again, the star system measures talent. Future production in college is dependent on way more then just talent. Production is also dependent on developmental coaching, being in the right system, being given chances to succeed, having your head in the right place (unlike Kelly Baraka or James McKinney), being comfortable with the university you are attending, how much work you put in, and the like. the star system measures
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
"being in the right system"
My answer to your lame ass "under utulized" argument.
Brewhaman 2 years ago
"My answer to your lame ass "under utulized" argument"
its the coaches job to put the players in the right system, not the players.
BAM
I win
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
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"its the coaches job to put the players in the right system"
You got that right SLAPPY, so we'll see if these new recruits can get the job done.
Nice try, but I made you look like a horses ass again!
Brewhaman 2 years ago
"You got that right SLAPPY, so we'll see if these new recruits can get the job done."
this does nothing to take away from the fact that dickrod stupidly jammed his bullshit system down the players throats and hence fucked up the entire offense in 2008. it is retarted decisions like this that have resulted in the 8-16 record over the last two seasons. Like Mike Hart said: "If you're at Michigan not making a bowl game, you're not going to last."
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
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"and try and collect facts that support your viewpoint"
I've already deflated this argument, try again.
" Like Mike Hart said: "If you're at Michigan not making a bowl game, you're not going to last."
Glad you got your Detroit News in today, again, form your own ideas.
Brewhaman 2 years ago
NONE of that. It measures raw talent and raw talent alone. Thats why you can have two given highschool players put up similar stats in their highschool careers, but one player goes to USC and the other gets no scholarship offers. One player had collegel level talent, the other did not
dickrod DID inherit PLENTY of talent, and he WASTED it
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
"dickrod DID inherit PLENTY of talent, and he WASTED it"
Another ASSHAT opinion.
Brewhaman 2 years ago
"Another ASSHAT opinion"
the fact that the team had 41 blue chip recruits in 08 and 40 is 09 is not an opinion, its a statement of fact
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
blah, blah, blah...another stupid, opinionated, star system argument I already deflated...AGAIN!
Brewhaman 2 years ago
you've deflated nothing. yuor examples were based on the players production (and you even got that wrong half the time). They had nothing to do with talent.
I win
you lose
Go Blue!
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
"I win
you lose"
Nice response, that there is a final grasp at yet another FAILED argument, try again, LOL!!!
Brewhaman 2 years ago
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"star system argument I already deflated"
Let me repeat this again: 1 in 358 two star recruits becomes an All American, 1 in 147 three stars becomes an all american, 1 in 54 fouyr stars becomes an AA, and 1 in FIFTEEN 5 stars becomes an all american
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
OWNED!!!!!!!!!!!
Brewhaman 2 years ago
You should change your name to"
BrewhamansBITCH
LOL!!!
Brewhaman 2 years ago
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brewhaman:
"you can't possibly know the true potential of any player"
2 days later:
"I'm not saying there isn't a bigger up-side to 4-5 star recruits"
I love it! throwing the truth in the faces of pricks like brewhacunt is so enjoyable!
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
You are 1 fucked up indivdual, how does this even say throwing stones? Geeez you're an idiot. I can tell you never get laid, what kind of woman would want to have a conversation with this kind of dribble.
You don't have a clue of a 2 stars abilities to produce in college, you put too much weight on the star system. It;'s not the only indicator, but please, continue to look like an ass...you are a FOOL.
Brewhaman 2 years ago
"You don't have a clue of a 2 stars abilities to produce in college"
Yes I do. 1 in 358 two stars becomes an all american. its 1 in 15 for five stars and 1 in 54 for four stars.
you can't handle the truth.
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
Wow! Is that what Dr. Saturday came up with?
Then golly G, it must be correct, LOL!!!!!
Brewhaman 2 years ago
"you can't handle the truth"
I'm afraid that is your problem Chuckles!
Brewhaman 2 years ago
3. 75% of the class is composed of 3 stars and 2 stars, whereas previous Michigan classes had half their classes composed of blue chippers. Ergo, this class is a bad class.
4. Avery is a 3 star not evenr ated among the top cornerbacks or among the top players in ohip. His only two big offers were michigan and Stanford. Avery is indeed an average talent
5. Most 3 starts do not become playmakers, so he's not likely to become a playmaker.
I ahve evidence to back up my opinions. you do not.
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
"I highly doubt Avery gives a shit what a shitty Michigan fan like you thinks!"
I doubt he cares what I think either. I'm just a vocie crying in the wilderness. But still, I hope he reads my critique of him and is motivated to go out and be a playmaker and prove his doubters (of which I am one of them) wrong.
Go blue!
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
class based on the standards Michigan has set.
It doesn't matter that Florida was "sniffing around" Avery. They never extended him an offer, which means they didn't think he was good enough to play for them. Which is no surprise. Avery is ranked as the 51st best player in Ohio and is not ranked among the cornerbacks for a reason: he's an average talent. He's likely not gonig to be a playmaker. If he reads this, then may my words be motivation for him to go out there and kick ass
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
@Bi-Polar1Dan "Avery is ranked as the 51st best player in Ohio and is not ranked among the cornerbacks for a reason: he's an average talent. He's likely not gonig to be a playmaker."
YET, another Recruit you were absolutely wrong on. By all accounts, it appears this kid has a starting position LOCKED UP! See what I mean about making lofty predictions? YOU KNOW NOTHING LISPER!
Brewhaman 10 months ago