Imagine an alien library so vast that it encompasses several planets. They would have technology so advanced that most of their inner volume would be cities and the cities outside and inside these planets would be dimentionally recessed or bigger on the inside. These planets would be connected and their collective volume could even be {7294,4920,4627,6798,8869,6979,397} times their conventional volume for planets that big. Imagine a library with compact technology that big.
Carl Sagan - "Our collective free time needs to shift as much as possible to education. Whether you're a young student or finished school long ago, get out to the library whenever you can and work hard to learn everything you can about this world. Each individual and society will benefit from being able to solve more problems and make better decisions. Education is an amazing discovery process that repays you endlessly."
there were 700.000 thousand volumes of the greatest Greek scientists, engineers , mathematicians, philosophers, etc. Many scholars believe that if the library was not burned, technology would have been 500 years ahead of what it is today.
I am not 100% that the books were really destroyed..If so, we would have known who did this, I think this is a coverup..Someone has allot of these books and manuscripts..that is why nobody knows because something else happened..Knowledge of the acient were was taken away on purpose to hide it from us..still around
@rhdtv2002 yes most , i say 99 % were destroyed, some other works of these ancients were found in other areas of the Greek world, example some inventions of Archimedes, are being used to this day because they found some of his written work. His invention of the fan type design to distribute air to create energy, lift and thrust is being used today in jet engines and other machines, his invention of the screw like excavator that in one movement excavates , and also brings the soil to the surfa--
Carl Sagan. Respect for that beautiful mind. His contribution in science is enormous. Especially the fact that he managed to popularize science, to let it enter every house.
We don't need religion to point us on the right direction. Especially through terror. Every one knows what's wrong or good, even if many people choose to do wrong. The ancients were in a higher spiritual state. That is unfortunately lost. The knowledge is lost. Who ever uses the word Pagan for the ancients... well, he's a victim of religious propaganda. Not only 97% of the ancient knowledge has been destroyed, but schools teach lies to all the children of the planet.
He claims to be Christian, but his attitude says otherwise. BUT, if he really is one, then he is a fanatic. Religious fanatics are one of the reasons that people is pushed away from religion nowadays. And i'm happy about that. It's about time we get rid of religion, time for Humanity to MOVE ON after a 2000 year pause.
Rise up people, rise up against the politicians, religion, economic lobbies, & whomever oppresses the soul, spirit dignity & evolution of humanity.
Wether a person agrees with everything that was done in the library it was a comendable way of how humans can persue knowledge when they try. We should be doing whatever we can to preserve and even archive all knowledge as long as it is reasonable and contributes to someone's life. Science is a more than pretious thing to try and preserve as much as possible and simply advance.
Even a single library over several planets could be theoreticly held by countless existing civlizations if there are others. It is not unreasonable that a knowledge building orders of megnetude more extensive could or even does exist in some form. It is obvious that even though it would be organised into subjects a single padd or whatever would have more information that all the books, scientific papers and personal journals on any given area we have.
Conceive if you will a 36th century version of this library, 41st or even 64th. Also imagine this equivilantly is as devoted to knowledge and recieves more than enough funding or doesn't need it all together. It storage would at least extende well into the yattobyte range. Imagine this even extending across several planets over at least a large fraction of the surface of each one of them and even a large fraction of the interior of them.
@heydanbud : That's incorrect. It was almost certainly the Christians. There is no evidence whatsoever that Muslims destroyed ancient pillars of culture, science and philosophy. When they were in ascendence (in the 7th through 10th centuries), the muslims held Aristotle in very high esteem and read Ptolemy, and anyone else they could find.
@websnarf interesting... i did just do some research about it, and it seems that the rumors about the Muslims being responsible came from Tabari, who is known for not being too reliable. either way, it was probably religious fanatics who did it and thats what pisses me off.
@heydanbud : Yes, but the history of this is interesting and worth getting right for precisely the reason of understanding this fanaticism. The Christians were essentially born out of fanaticism as a result of their rise to power under persecution by the Romans. The Muslims were born out of continual military success. Successful people don't voluntarily turn into fanatics. The Muslims didn't turn into a fanatical religion until the Caliphate was crumbling.
@heydanbud And, who was it who destroyed the House of Wisdom in Baghdad, in 1258? The Mongols. Tell me, what religious fanaticism did they sunscribe to? Please. I'm dying to know.
In 1905 there were commercial orange groves in southern Georgia. Since the mid-1980's the preponderance of hard-freezes (temps. below 30 maintained for 4 hours) have virtually wiped out commercial citrus in the Florida counties of Citrus, Orange (Oh the irony!), Volusia, Flagler, Lee, Brevard & Lake. Additionally: Central Florida's temperature-sensitive fern industry is hanging by a thread.
All people born in America are native to America and thus: "native Americans." It's a redundant term that appeals to peo. w/poor language skills. The black haired, sallow-skinned, body hair-lacking people of this continent, who met Chris Columbus @ Cat Island, are akin, appearance-wise, to the peo. of the sub-content called India, therefor calling them Indians is no less accurate as are the terms Occidental, Oriental, Mongoloid, and Australasian when applied to whites, Chinamen & Polynesians.
@procommenter - I'm sorry to inform U that U R wrong. "Native Americans" began their existence in what U all America. Your bloodline came and stole the land from them, and now U claim it as your own. The only problem with that is that U can never own what was never yours in the first place. I think its funny how Americans are scared that Mexicans and other foreigners are stealing their country, when it was never theirs to begin with.
@procommenter - And "Native Americans" were called indians because Columbus was searching for India when he discovered america, so he called the people INDIANS when he saw them. True "Native Americans" have ancestors on the losing end of the lies your ancestors told them. The u.s is a joke and it has no culture. Its a country full of theives, liars, rapists, and gun toting maniacs. The only good thing that comes from this is in time you will all kill yourselves. The u.s is a cancer on my planet
@procommenter - Enemies? Calling american's my enemies would be like calling ants enemies for ruining a picnic. Besides, genocidal attacks are more of a war mongering thing to do. You know, a German or an american thing. My country and its people are peace loving and caring nation who are loved by most others, where yours is the opposite. Sorrow is always misplaced when its aimed towards people who have no souls.
LEG-SHAVING MANIACS—It's easy to say: “I hate gynecology so much!” But when it comes to World War II it ain't so cut-and-dry is it? Everyone respects what Wilson did for the banks in 1913 but who now can reflect with insufficient honesty the pull of Col. House on all matters Wilsonian?
"intellectual brilliance is no guarantee against being dead wrong" lol, I bet there are many scientist especially evolutionist who hated Carl Segan :)
@ThatGuyWhoSucksBoobz He was right though. No matter how brilliant you think you are you can still be wrong. I know some day humans will learn their true origin and it will be nothing like we think.
I live in Alexandria!! So proud of my Hellenistic past...too bad modern Alex has nothing to show for it except a few roman columns popping out of the ground here and there.
The Serapeum, the ruins of which Sagan is standing in, could in no way be considered an 'annex' of the Library of Alexandria which had been destroyed long before the political struggle to which he refers. It may have contained some books at the time of its destruction, but was essentially a pagan temple dedicated to gods of ignorance and superstition - certainly not a temple of higher learning. This carefully crafted distortion of history for personal polemic is hardly praiseworthy or useful.
the fact that you return here over an over again to check what they say about you or about what you write makes you a troll or an attention spammer
if you dont know what troll or trolling means search it up its an internet expression a word created out of the web and the globalization of English language
And it all, the great library, knowledge of things we might never have known about, things that might validate Atlantis and how the Pyramids were built and about ancient tribes that could confirm our divergent routes of ancestry and whether or all languages and cultures could be routed to Africa had they all simply emerged in Europe, Asia, And the Americas.
All this knowledge, invaluable knowledge. Lost forever. Thanks to Islam.
Yeah... right. If you didn't have an agenda, you might have known that the Muslim Conquest in the 7th century is only one possible date for the destruction of the library. If anyone is to hold the blame, it's probably the imperial Romans centuries before. In fact, we have Islam to thank for saving so much knowledge, which kick-started the Renaissance, after centuries of a thing called "the Dark Ages" where countless tribes and kingdoms fought over Christianity.
Excuse me Muslim imbecile, but everything you have said is completely not true.
The Renaissance was not brought by Islam. It was brought by secretive irreligious societies that had hidden themselves in Muslim Society and could easily do so, because there were many secret societies in the muslim world.
You are obviously insane and if you really want to devote your life to the almight Allah, go to mosque like monastery and go live there.
Go live with the Taliban. And cut it with the bullshit.
Who said anything about my being Muslim? To be sure, my religious beliefs are my business, but I was raised a Christian right here in the United States, though at the moment my beliefs tend toward agnostic. I certainly have not done extensive reading on the subject, and you may be correct in saying that "irreligious societies" within Muslim society are primarily responsible, but your derisive "Thanks to Islam" comment reeks of some ulterior motive. No one group caused the library's destruction.
You are muslim and to be in denial about it absolutely ridiculous and absurd.
Here is something of advice, read a book and stop making shit up.
I'm a college professor with a Doctorate's Degree in History and yes I love to display my bigass ego all over the place. Who gives a shit, only a child like you would.
So my advice for you is this. Educate yourself. Whatever you are doing is not working for you. You are actually getting dumber and less educated, read a book or I'll suggest 1 for you
You're more than welcome to recommend a book on the subject - I'm reading quite a few at the moment as an undergrad in history, my focus just isn't on this particular time period or this part of the world.
Again, your insisting that I'm Muslim is not going to make it any more true than insisting that the world is flat. Though there is a little thing called religious freedom in this country, which I happen to believe in. You must have a lot of time on your hands to troll YouTube. Chill out.
How can I avoid reason when you're not really giving any?
Look, can we call a truce? I'm sure you're a better-read person than I am right now (besides having the advantage in years). But I can see that this is going nowhere. We can each walk away retaining our own ideas, while not dismissing the arguments of the other person.
P.S. - Seeing that you have a doctorate in history, I would be interested to read any papers you've written (or if you've got a book out). But I'll let it rest at that.
Oh I've given plenty of reason, you just won't accept any of it.
Nah I don't think you are quite reading to read a 2,000 page dissertation on the rise and fall of imperial hegemony, why civilizations rise, develop into empire, and then fall or collapse.
Nah I can tell you wouldn't like it, given the lack of pictures it has that you are so accustomed to.
@thomasrusso: Pssst. Hey bud. That Tom101229 guy? If someone becomes an Internet troll just for amusement, yet is supposedly a "college professor"--- know what that means? Any one of these:
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Romans burned that fu&%in so called "Library" four times before we Christians finished the fu&%in job. Paganism was a disgrace and an abomination, that temple was just perpetuating the pagan "cancer" of slavery through ignorance. Christianity pwns all yer pagan asses.
You do realise christiantiy is based on pagan religions and that the catholic church was one of the biggest perpetuators of slavery in human history. Just thought I'd let you know brother, don't take my word for it though history speaks for itself.
@ArtiePiscano unfortunately ALL the evidence an historic records will not convince them they are so holly and they only accept the bible as evidence and they will destroy all will contradict their believes
you never know some of the oldest hebrew manuscripts could have been located there. maybe even manuscripts that could have been written by noah or enoch or ????.
"Agora," Amenabar's second English-language film after Nicole Kidman starrer "The Others," is set in Roman Egypt in the fourth century A.D. Weisz plays astronomer-philosopher Hypatia of Alexandria, who fights to save the collected wisdom of the ancient world.
Alexander dressed like a Pharaoh and declared himself a Pharaoh, that is very crucial in the Greek way of thinking, and no other man has achieved or has envisioned what Alexander saw or did in spreading his Greek culture; he clearly realised what it takes to be a great man ,never a Tyrrant, unlike ll other TYRRANTS of antiquity .the great leaps forward in human achievement is owed to the Greeks, the Ptolemaic Greek dynasty who built and maintained the phenomenal ancient Alexandrian library.
There is a deeper question here, that Sagan doesn't address. Why did the Romans burn the library, a storage of records what went backs many milleniums. Mankinds knowledge & wisdom. I thinks of Orwell, 'those who control the present, control the past, those who control the past, control the future' The Romans were not maniacs, looters per se or fools. They had a reason, and that is my question. What were they afraid of?
By Romans, did you mean Christians?Pagan Rome didn't have a problem w/ people of different faiths, as long as they paid homage to Rome. Christianity, on the other hand, is a fanatical religion that doesn't tolerate any other faith.
Christians destroyed the Library of Alexandria, and before that tortured, murdered, and set on fire, Hypatia of Alexandria, the last great Grecco philosopher, mainly because she refused to convert to Christianity and also refused to give in to Christian demands.
I'm dumb? I guess you think Carl Sagan is dumb too, because he mentions that a Christian mob burned down the Library of Alexandria and a Christian mob killed Hypatia of Alexandria.
Look it up. Don't trust me, look it up.
Take the fucking time to google it if you need to. Google, "Christian mob burned down Library of Alexandria". Google, "Christian mob killed Hypatia of Alexandria."
A christian mob tortured, murdered, and then set the body of Hypatia of Alexandria on fire idiot.
no 'boy', I think Sagan is smart and you're an idiot, don't compare yourself to Sagan. Let me explain something to you 'boy', the Alexandria library was destroyed about 30 years before Christ was born. You have an idiotic agenda, believe what you want, facts and reality have nothing to do with you! You are a perfect example of the aphorism, 'a little knowledge can be dangerous'. Whether Christians burned the library later matters to less, the damage was already done.
"The Alexandria library was destroyed about 30 years before Christ was born."
False. You are speaking of the story that blames Julius Caeser for the destruction of the library. The problem is that this story is not proven and in fact there is documented evidence it is false.
Currently the most accepted theory is that the Library of Alexandria was destroyed by Christians. Pople Theophilus is believed by some to have even decreed it.
The Library of Alexandria was destroyed cira 391 AD by Christians.
So now we are left with Hypatia of Alexandria. A simple Google search will provide you with the history that she was set upon by a mob of Christians who then took her to a church, stripped her, used shells to scrape the flesh off her body, and then set her body on fire. One of the men implimented in her murder was later made a Saint.
Hypatia of Alexandria came under fire because she opposed the growing Christian cult, as well as for the fact that she was a woman in a position of power.
At that time the Christian religion was growing in numbers in Alexandria. The Christians were pretty much fanatical and sought the destruction of anything they considered 'Pagan", which included the Library and the Science of the time. Christians began acts of terrorism, destroying Pagan temples and even accosting Hypatia...
(continued) ...demanding that she destroy the scrollls kept at the library due to their association with Paganism, as well as demanding she step down. Hypatia stood her ground and was even bold enough to speak out against the growing cult.
"All formal dogmatic religions are fallacious and must never be accepted by self-respecting persons as final."
"Fables should be taught as fables, myths as myths, and miracles as poetic fancies. To teach superstitions as truths is a most terrible thing. The child mind accepts and believes them, and only through great pain and perhaps tragedy can he be in after years relieved of them. ...
"In fact, men will fight for a superstition quite as quickly as for a living truth --- often more so, since a superstition is so intangible you cannot get at it to refute it, but truth is a point of view, and so is changeable."
-Hypatia of Alexandria
Because of her refusal to give into Christian demands, Hypatian was kidnapped, tortured, murdered, and set on fire...in a Church no-less!
Hypatia's death marks the beginning of the Dark Ages & the rise of Christianity.
I need to clarify one thing though, the Christians didn't destroy all of the Library of Alexandria. A small portion of the Library's collections is believed to have survived until the late 600's where they were destroyed by Arab invaders. However, the death-blow was dealt by Christians.
The Ancient Alexandrian library was destroyed four different times. As a mistake by julius Caesar in the alexandrian war, then Aurelians attack and Theophilus attack. So yes, the majority of the 700,000 scrolls were actually destroyd by christians. Well, according to todays sources that is...
I really enjoyed the argumnet between the two,very interesting ,as it always the case when the argument has nothing to do with the subject of the video,haha,lol,thank u anyway :)
Alexander the great dressed like a Pharaoh and declared himself a Pharaoh, that is very crucial and no other man has achieved or has envisioned what he saw or did in spreading his Greek culture; he clearly understood what it takes to be a great man --never a Tyrrant--- everything that Alexandria held in knowledge and the great leaps forward in human achievement is owed to the Greeks and the Ptolemaic Greek dynasty who built and maintained this phenomenal ancient library.
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The Library at Alexandria was a royal "collection" of scrolls. NOT a "library" in our modern sense. Only greek scholars had access. Free men. Not people like you or me. Slavery was never questioned, remember ? Thats why I say good riddance to that disgusting momunent to pagan filth and degeneracy. It was only through Christianity that western Civilization came to understand concepts
such as "egalitarianism" and "equality under God". : )
Actually, Muslim Arabs developed Calculus, Buddhist Chinese discovered gun powder, paper-milling and other discoveries.
Your opinion is too Christo-Euro-Centric... There are OTHER people in the world.
BTW. Christians re-discovered slavery, but unlike those "pagans" instead of treating their slaves well, and eventually offering freedom well, I'm sure you've read Black History.. wait, you might be Republican, I must translate for you: I mean Affirmative Action Month.
Wrong again sir, It took a Christian Empire (Britain) to spear head the abolition of slavery. Here in the US, it was the Christian Abolitionist movement that helped to get the job done. Dunno what sh&%hole your folks crawled outta dude, but myself ? I`m proud of my American Judeo-Christian heritage.
See, here is the contradiction I see with people whom believe the USA is a Christian Nation (I'm not saying you do, you likely might, but you brought up an interesting point.) I mean if America is Christian Nation, founded on Christian Morals well then they practiced slavery, and either they somehow didn't notice a couple hundred thousand to million Black People that had relatively no rights up until the 1960's, or maybe the thought slavery was moral. Which is it?
"Your opinion is too Christo-Euro-Centric... There are OTHER people in the world." - mag
Thats cuz I`m `Merican dude, not some towelheaded carpet kisser or baldheaded incense burner. You can talk bout fu&%in calculus n gun powder all ya want, but "Fatman" n "Lil Boy" trumps em all , ya dumbassed fu&%in taliban lover. :D
I hate the Taliban and I would do nothing less than to gut them, skin them, burn them, cut them up into tiny pieces, and feed them to their fellow myth-believing, murderous horde
The irony here is shouldn't you be the one to "Love thy enemy?"
Ah, you're just mad because FACTS contradict your so-called faith. I say it's so-called, because the only reason anyone is Christian is because they want a reward when they're dead- ever-lasting life.
Ok, here is where it's a matter of specifics: It was actually ALGEBRAIC CALCULUS that was developed by medieval, ARAB MATHMATECIAN called Ibn Alhazen 965 in Basra - c. 1039 in Cairo whom also improved optics, and the scientific method which influenced science's devleopment for 500 FUCKING YEARS.
All because you're too fucking lazy to READ A BOOK FOR RESEARCH instead of the internet, doesn't make it less true you retarded extract of a whore. Let me help you: google search: Alhazen, you cock!
Wow, assume I don't read books, because you got something wrong. The scientific method didnt properly start until galileo, and netwon, after questioning aristotle long held ideas, instead of taking them on faith.
You keep bring up religion descovered this, and that, when in fact it was a person, who happen to be in this religion.
How about you take your own advice, and read a book for reasearch. bill bryson a short history of nearly everything would be a good start for you.
You have nothing more than a Euro-Christo Centric view on the development of the world, which you make abhorrently clear, as if all that you learned came directly from PBS Cartoons. It's sophomoric, and your redundancy is ridiculous.
Kitabal Manadhir by ALhazen inspired WESTERNERS such as Kepler and Francis Bacon. Alhazen's list of his books runs to 200 or so. Also see John W. Draper, A History of the Intellectual Development of Europe, 1875, Vol. II, p. 45 et seq.
"You have nothing more than a Euro-Christo Centric view on the development of the world" - magog
Uh, ever heard of the West`s "Judeo-Christian" tradition ? Regardless of what neo-pagans like you may think, thats the foundation of Western society, hello ?
arabs has preserved few of the works now lost in this library, originally written in greek, then copied by arabs in greek and taken back to their country for translation in the arabic language.
Also, just to add to your clusterfuck of "nothing but knowledge on things eurocentric." It wasn't JUST SIR Isaac Newton, but Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz- They both reached their conclusions independently, BUT universally it's understood that Isaac Newton and Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz built on the work of earlier mathematicians to introduce its basic principles. The development of calculus was built on earlier concepts of instantaneous motion and area underneath curves. Such as the work of ALHAZEN
When did I talk about the development of the world? I pointed out 2 major flaws in you argument, and somehow you think that means I dont read book, and have a euro christocentric view. I have never seen such poor reasoning skills before
Newton developed modern calculus before anyone else. Yet somehow you wanted to contribute all of his work to arab muslims. Every part of mathematics has been built on previous work thats general knowledge
How about this time you reply to me without using google
You know I don't even hate Christians. I just hate the idiots that make is so infallible, they aren't humble enough to admit there were mistakes made- Like the Christians that thought slavery was a-okay. Because you must believe that your faith is infallible, then your way of thinking is no different than the thought process of a Islamist Terrorist.
"What one generation cherishes, inevitably turns to garbage in the next. " BMW
Yeah, your religion is finding that out right now. I have not met one teenager that follows your religion the way you do, and many of them have turned from Christianity.
"I have not met one teenager that follows your religion the way you do, and many of them have turned from Christianity." - Obe
Its kinda sad, but you`re sorta proving my point : ( ... The human soul (especially young teens) need Christian order and discipline in their lives. Not heathenistic,
"Its built on freedom and openness not totalitarianism and opression. " BMW
Which means you have to convince the majority of the people to follow you. And, as you'll find out quick, the internet will make your job even harder, as it will make it difficult for anyone to stop the flow of information.
and, you have to assume you will BE ABLE to destroy it all. If you think we won't fight back, you're obviously retarded, and you have to win that fight, and if every fundie has the same intelligence as you, I doubt you will.
"if every fundie has the same intelligence as you, I doubt you will." - Obe
What`s fascinating though is the cyclical nature of history and Western Civlization.
My original quote was "Instant Fundies gonna getcha if the Towelhead don`t getcha first ". Our Civilization is easier to bring down than we might think. Its built on freedom and openness not totalitarianism and opression.
"We Fundie Christians gonna getcha if the Towelhead don`t getcha first." BMW
You can't get all of us, and some of us has a good portion of the world's scientific knowledge saved and know where to hide it if Christians do destroy everything, making it possible to bring back our technology over time.
It's easy to see guys like Hitchens and Dawkins being so different from Sagan with their methods of advocating reason in an insane world. Yet, I suppose, at the heart of it, lies a similar message: Nothing lasts forever, so it's in our best interests to help each other out, instead of letting a falsely-held sense of cosmic importance destroy us by hardening our hearts.
Carl a true Humanitarian , a true scientific researcher, an energy who respected and understood true knowledge regardless of RACE-Alexandria the start of all the Pure Sciences "as he said it made us conquer space!!!
I remember this from my childhood, it was like watching a magician conjuring all these wonderful images and filling my imagination with amazing stories. Thank you Mr Sagan, you are very sadly missed.
Carl a true Humanitarian , a true scientific researcher, an energy who respected and understood true knowledge regardless of RACE-Alexandria the start of all the Pure Sciences "as he said it made us conquer space!!!
Makes you wonder how todays world would have been different had those scrolls survived. What would the dark ages have been like? Leave it to the masses to drink the kool-aid and destroy that which they don't understand and feel threatened by.
Maby the Judeo-Christianites wouldn't have developed such an ego and would have simply accepted new knowledge, like modern-day liberal religionists? That would've been great. We would be several hundred years more advanced, at least. Although, there is a new form of science arising out of some of the naturalistic religions in the east.Buddhism, daoism don't have personal omnipotent gods, but the moral duty of the practitioner to be aware and through awareness,reach enlightenment, nonseparation.
Carl is an outstandingly brilliant individual. There is probably no-one better than he at at explaining the joys and marvels of science and the place of humanity on this "pale blue dot". He is sorely missed as a scientist, educator and world citizen.
He talks about Ptolomy; astrology as pseudoscience and the earth centerd universe theory (which christians beleived in so hard that many were killed for thinking otherwise). So your belief (and many others as well) is wrong, Carl talks about "degeneracy" in Alexandria.
There are several hypotheses; two are that it happened due to military actions, the third is that christians destroyed it because included a pagan temple and they wanted to cast out the mysticism and superstition, the fourth is that muslims sacked the city and destroyed the library because its documents either repeated the Quran and were superfluous or contradicted it and thus were wrong.
Very enjoyable thank you
staranjela 1 week ago
Imagine an alien library so vast that it encompasses several planets. They would have technology so advanced that most of their inner volume would be cities and the cities outside and inside these planets would be dimentionally recessed or bigger on the inside. These planets would be connected and their collective volume could even be {7294,4920,4627,6798,8869,6979,397} times their conventional volume for planets that big. Imagine a library with compact technology that big.
RJL738 1 month ago
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Carl Sagan - "Our collective free time needs to shift as much as possible to education. Whether you're a young student or finished school long ago, get out to the library whenever you can and work hard to learn everything you can about this world. Each individual and society will benefit from being able to solve more problems and make better decisions. Education is an amazing discovery process that repays you endlessly."
TheLogicalBrain 3 months ago
there were 700.000 thousand volumes of the greatest Greek scientists, engineers , mathematicians, philosophers, etc. Many scholars believe that if the library was not burned, technology would have been 500 years ahead of what it is today.
soNofLeoniDasandLas 3 months ago
Carl Sagan be rocking nice pants XD
TheJovanist 5 months ago
Google > all Libraries combined on the face of Planet Earth. This Library of Alexandria is kinda cool though.
TheJovanist 5 months ago
I am not 100% that the books were really destroyed..If so, we would have known who did this, I think this is a coverup..Someone has allot of these books and manuscripts..that is why nobody knows because something else happened..Knowledge of the acient were was taken away on purpose to hide it from us..still around
rhdtv2002 5 months ago
@rhdtv2002 OH FUCK EVERYTHINGS A GOD DAMN CONSPIRACY NOWADAYS
Keinlicht 4 months ago
@rhdtv2002 yes most , i say 99 % were destroyed, some other works of these ancients were found in other areas of the Greek world, example some inventions of Archimedes, are being used to this day because they found some of his written work. His invention of the fan type design to distribute air to create energy, lift and thrust is being used today in jet engines and other machines, his invention of the screw like excavator that in one movement excavates , and also brings the soil to the surfa--
soNofLeoniDasandLas 3 months ago
@soNofLeoniDasandLas man - I wish I could go back in time..to these times, to the times of the great pyramid..at the times of dinosaurs..
rhdtv2002 3 months ago
Carl Sagan. Respect for that beautiful mind. His contribution in science is enormous. Especially the fact that he managed to popularize science, to let it enter every house.
chrmats4 8 months ago
We don't need religion to point us on the right direction. Especially through terror. Every one knows what's wrong or good, even if many people choose to do wrong. The ancients were in a higher spiritual state. That is unfortunately lost. The knowledge is lost. Who ever uses the word Pagan for the ancients... well, he's a victim of religious propaganda. Not only 97% of the ancient knowledge has been destroyed, but schools teach lies to all the children of the planet.
chrmats4 8 months ago
A comment on RideMyBMW.
He claims to be Christian, but his attitude says otherwise. BUT, if he really is one, then he is a fanatic. Religious fanatics are one of the reasons that people is pushed away from religion nowadays. And i'm happy about that. It's about time we get rid of religion, time for Humanity to MOVE ON after a 2000 year pause.
Rise up people, rise up against the politicians, religion, economic lobbies, & whomever oppresses the soul, spirit dignity & evolution of humanity.
chrmats4 8 months ago
Wether a person agrees with everything that was done in the library it was a comendable way of how humans can persue knowledge when they try. We should be doing whatever we can to preserve and even archive all knowledge as long as it is reasonable and contributes to someone's life. Science is a more than pretious thing to try and preserve as much as possible and simply advance.
RJL738 8 months ago
Even a single library over several planets could be theoreticly held by countless existing civlizations if there are others. It is not unreasonable that a knowledge building orders of megnetude more extensive could or even does exist in some form. It is obvious that even though it would be organised into subjects a single padd or whatever would have more information that all the books, scientific papers and personal journals on any given area we have.
RJL738 8 months ago
Conceive if you will a 36th century version of this library, 41st or even 64th. Also imagine this equivilantly is as devoted to knowledge and recieves more than enough funding or doesn't need it all together. It storage would at least extende well into the yattobyte range. Imagine this even extending across several planets over at least a large fraction of the surface of each one of them and even a large fraction of the interior of them.
RJL738 8 months ago
1:47 he looks like Alan Partridge.
This guy is slightly ridiculous.
DrunkenPoetic 1 year ago
Who destroyed Alexandria? Oh, what a surprise, religious (Muslim) fanatics of course.
heydanbud 1 year ago
@heydanbud : That's incorrect. It was almost certainly the Christians. There is no evidence whatsoever that Muslims destroyed ancient pillars of culture, science and philosophy. When they were in ascendence (in the 7th through 10th centuries), the muslims held Aristotle in very high esteem and read Ptolemy, and anyone else they could find.
websnarf 1 year ago
@websnarf interesting... i did just do some research about it, and it seems that the rumors about the Muslims being responsible came from Tabari, who is known for not being too reliable. either way, it was probably religious fanatics who did it and thats what pisses me off.
heydanbud 1 year ago
@heydanbud : Yes, but the history of this is interesting and worth getting right for precisely the reason of understanding this fanaticism. The Christians were essentially born out of fanaticism as a result of their rise to power under persecution by the Romans. The Muslims were born out of continual military success. Successful people don't voluntarily turn into fanatics. The Muslims didn't turn into a fanatical religion until the Caliphate was crumbling.
websnarf 1 year ago
@heydanbud And, who was it who destroyed the House of Wisdom in Baghdad, in 1258? The Mongols. Tell me, what religious fanaticism did they sunscribe to? Please. I'm dying to know.
TenderTrap86 1 year ago
In 1905 there were commercial orange groves in southern Georgia. Since the mid-1980's the preponderance of hard-freezes (temps. below 30 maintained for 4 hours) have virtually wiped out commercial citrus in the Florida counties of Citrus, Orange (Oh the irony!), Volusia, Flagler, Lee, Brevard & Lake. Additionally: Central Florida's temperature-sensitive fern industry is hanging by a thread.
procommenter 1 year ago
All people born in America are native to America and thus: "native Americans." It's a redundant term that appeals to peo. w/poor language skills. The black haired, sallow-skinned, body hair-lacking people of this continent, who met Chris Columbus @ Cat Island, are akin, appearance-wise, to the peo. of the sub-content called India, therefor calling them Indians is no less accurate as are the terms Occidental, Oriental, Mongoloid, and Australasian when applied to whites, Chinamen & Polynesians.
procommenter 1 year ago
@procommenter - I'm sorry to inform U that U R wrong. "Native Americans" began their existence in what U all America. Your bloodline came and stole the land from them, and now U claim it as your own. The only problem with that is that U can never own what was never yours in the first place. I think its funny how Americans are scared that Mexicans and other foreigners are stealing their country, when it was never theirs to begin with.
HardRokMiner 1 year ago
@HardRokMiner : Your sorrow is misplaced here.
procommenter 1 year ago
@procommenter - And "Native Americans" were called indians because Columbus was searching for India when he discovered america, so he called the people INDIANS when he saw them. True "Native Americans" have ancestors on the losing end of the lies your ancestors told them. The u.s is a joke and it has no culture. Its a country full of theives, liars, rapists, and gun toting maniacs. The only good thing that comes from this is in time you will all kill yourselves. The u.s is a cancer on my planet
HardRokMiner 1 year ago
@HardRokMiner : Then you MUST mount a genocidal attack upon the children of your enemies.
procommenter 1 year ago
@procommenter - Enemies? Calling american's my enemies would be like calling ants enemies for ruining a picnic. Besides, genocidal attacks are more of a war mongering thing to do. You know, a German or an american thing. My country and its people are peace loving and caring nation who are loved by most others, where yours is the opposite. Sorrow is always misplaced when its aimed towards people who have no souls.
HardRokMiner 1 year ago
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Snoopstar420 1 year ago
LEG-SHAVING MANIACS—It's easy to say: “I hate gynecology so much!” But when it comes to World War II it ain't so cut-and-dry is it? Everyone respects what Wilson did for the banks in 1913 but who now can reflect with insufficient honesty the pull of Col. House on all matters Wilsonian?
procommenter 1 year ago
from the great series the cosmos,brilliant
stickmanpig 1 year ago
"intellectual brilliance is no guarantee against being dead wrong" lol, I bet there are many scientist especially evolutionist who hated Carl Segan :)
ArtisanTony 1 year ago
@ArtisanTony Carl sagan accepted evolution as a scientific fact.
ThatGuyWhoSucksBoobz 1 year ago
@ThatGuyWhoSucksBoobz He was right though. No matter how brilliant you think you are you can still be wrong. I know some day humans will learn their true origin and it will be nothing like we think.
ArtisanTony 1 year ago
Carl Sagan rules!!
connerjd 1 year ago
I live in Alexandria!! So proud of my Hellenistic past...too bad modern Alex has nothing to show for it except a few roman columns popping out of the ground here and there.
leptismagna10 1 year ago
The Serapeum, the ruins of which Sagan is standing in, could in no way be considered an 'annex' of the Library of Alexandria which had been destroyed long before the political struggle to which he refers. It may have contained some books at the time of its destruction, but was essentially a pagan temple dedicated to gods of ignorance and superstition - certainly not a temple of higher learning. This carefully crafted distortion of history for personal polemic is hardly praiseworthy or useful.
KingLearly 1 year ago
who destroy the library?
aidiero 1 year ago
this is terrific. Carl Sagan was a great Sage. I liked hearing about the Library.
Ben
sbwillow 1 year ago
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qaplatlhinganmaH 1 year ago
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dimstar4now 1 year ago
the fact that you return here over an over again to check what they say about you or about what you write makes you a troll or an attention spammer
if you dont know what troll or trolling means search it up its an internet expression a word created out of the web and the globalization of English language
it isnt made up
tilemacro 1 year ago
And it all, the great library, knowledge of things we might never have known about, things that might validate Atlantis and how the Pyramids were built and about ancient tribes that could confirm our divergent routes of ancestry and whether or all languages and cultures could be routed to Africa had they all simply emerged in Europe, Asia, And the Americas.
All this knowledge, invaluable knowledge. Lost forever. Thanks to Islam.
Tom101229 2 years ago
VERY,... VERY WELL SAID.
biunyia 1 year ago
Yeah... right. If you didn't have an agenda, you might have known that the Muslim Conquest in the 7th century is only one possible date for the destruction of the library. If anyone is to hold the blame, it's probably the imperial Romans centuries before. In fact, we have Islam to thank for saving so much knowledge, which kick-started the Renaissance, after centuries of a thing called "the Dark Ages" where countless tribes and kingdoms fought over Christianity.
thomasrusso 1 year ago
Excuse me Muslim imbecile, but everything you have said is completely not true.
The Renaissance was not brought by Islam. It was brought by secretive irreligious societies that had hidden themselves in Muslim Society and could easily do so, because there were many secret societies in the muslim world.
You are obviously insane and if you really want to devote your life to the almight Allah, go to mosque like monastery and go live there.
Go live with the Taliban. And cut it with the bullshit.
Tom101229 1 year ago
Who said anything about my being Muslim? To be sure, my religious beliefs are my business, but I was raised a Christian right here in the United States, though at the moment my beliefs tend toward agnostic. I certainly have not done extensive reading on the subject, and you may be correct in saying that "irreligious societies" within Muslim society are primarily responsible, but your derisive "Thanks to Islam" comment reeks of some ulterior motive. No one group caused the library's destruction.
thomasrusso 1 year ago
You are muslim and to be in denial about it absolutely ridiculous and absurd.
Here is something of advice, read a book and stop making shit up.
I'm a college professor with a Doctorate's Degree in History and yes I love to display my bigass ego all over the place. Who gives a shit, only a child like you would.
So my advice for you is this. Educate yourself. Whatever you are doing is not working for you. You are actually getting dumber and less educated, read a book or I'll suggest 1 for you
Tom101229 1 year ago
You're more than welcome to recommend a book on the subject - I'm reading quite a few at the moment as an undergrad in history, my focus just isn't on this particular time period or this part of the world.
Again, your insisting that I'm Muslim is not going to make it any more true than insisting that the world is flat. Though there is a little thing called religious freedom in this country, which I happen to believe in. You must have a lot of time on your hands to troll YouTube. Chill out.
thomasrusso 1 year ago
You are reading nothing at the moment. How can you be reading anything when you are busy chatting with someone on the internet?
"troll youtube?"
HAHAHA! Troll? How absurd.
"Chill out..."
Grow the fuck up.
Tom101229 1 year ago
Touché, good sir.
However, if you insist on pushing your own views (which is your right) why not employ a logical argument instead of trying to smear my character?
thomasrusso 1 year ago 2
I am not trying to smear the character. You are just trying to avoid reason.
Tom101229 1 year ago
How can I avoid reason when you're not really giving any?
Look, can we call a truce? I'm sure you're a better-read person than I am right now (besides having the advantage in years). But I can see that this is going nowhere. We can each walk away retaining our own ideas, while not dismissing the arguments of the other person.
P.S. - Seeing that you have a doctorate in history, I would be interested to read any papers you've written (or if you've got a book out). But I'll let it rest at that.
thomasrusso 1 year ago
Oh I've given plenty of reason, you just won't accept any of it.
Nah I don't think you are quite reading to read a 2,000 page dissertation on the rise and fall of imperial hegemony, why civilizations rise, develop into empire, and then fall or collapse.
Nah I can tell you wouldn't like it, given the lack of pictures it has that you are so accustomed to.
Tom101229 1 year ago
@Tom101229: Sigh. This is precisely the kind of religion-based TROLLING that isn't needed underneath a Carl Sagan video.
I got one (clickable) word for you: SPAM.
TachieBillano 1 year ago
And So I shall regard your comment as spam, thanks for the advice. Retard.
Tom101229 1 year ago
@thomasrusso: Pssst. Hey bud. That Tom101229 guy? If someone becomes an Internet troll just for amusement, yet is supposedly a "college professor"--- know what that means? Any one of these:
1.) not at the State U.
2.) still vying for tenure
3.) Fake
TachieBillano 1 year ago
You do know that I can hear you? Troll is a made up word, please avoid using words that do no exist or do not possess an exact definition.
I could call your worthless as a troll, since clearly like you I can make up the meaning of that word and use it however I want.
Tom101229 1 year ago
Why the hell do I have to have an agenda. Are you always this paranoid about people?
Tom101229 1 year ago
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Romans burned that fu&%in so called "Library" four times before we Christians finished the fu&%in job. Paganism was a disgrace and an abomination, that temple was just perpetuating the pagan "cancer" of slavery through ignorance. Christianity pwns all yer pagan asses.
RideMyBMW 2 years ago
You do realise christiantiy is based on pagan religions and that the catholic church was one of the biggest perpetuators of slavery in human history. Just thought I'd let you know brother, don't take my word for it though history speaks for itself.
ArtiePiscano 2 years ago 4
"You do realise christiantiy is based on pagan religions " - Artie
STFU you fu&%in islamofascist crack-hoe!!!!
RideMyBMW 2 years ago
For real mate do some reading, theres more to life than being ignorant.
ArtiePiscano 2 years ago
@ArtiePiscano unfortunately ALL the evidence an historic records will not convince them they are so holly and they only accept the bible as evidence and they will destroy all will contradict their believes
legolasgreenleaff 8 months ago in playlist Tomb Raider 4
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the NEW ATHEISM movement has been completely crushed...click on my name for the ur l to see how...
Atheist:
have you for but a moment considered that you have adopted a position against 98% of the human race, both past and present?
do you think you are RIGHT and they are all WRONG?
WRONG
88strangelove 2 years ago
"(Atheists) have adopted a position against 98% of the human race, both past and present" - 88strange
Fu&%in straight...Atheists think they are
a-religious, problem is they dont understand that human nature is NOT. Ergo, who are Atheists really serving ?
RideMyBMW 2 years ago
you never know some of the oldest hebrew manuscripts could have been located there. maybe even manuscripts that could have been written by noah or enoch or ????.
burkspatrick 2 years ago
"Agora," Amenabar's second English-language film after Nicole Kidman starrer "The Others," is set in Roman Egypt in the fourth century A.D. Weisz plays astronomer-philosopher Hypatia of Alexandria, who fights to save the collected wisdom of the ancient world.
GARAITEZIN 2 years ago
DEATH TO ABRAHAM FOLLOWING RETARDS!!!
You fuckers burned The library of Alexandria to the ground and caused hundreds of years of pointless bloodshed in the dark ages........
NinjaChampionKO 2 years ago 4
Alexander dressed like a Pharaoh and declared himself a Pharaoh, that is very crucial in the Greek way of thinking, and no other man has achieved or has envisioned what Alexander saw or did in spreading his Greek culture; he clearly realised what it takes to be a great man ,never a Tyrrant, unlike ll other TYRRANTS of antiquity .the great leaps forward in human achievement is owed to the Greeks, the Ptolemaic Greek dynasty who built and maintained the phenomenal ancient Alexandrian library.
AthenaionPolis 2 years ago
fntime 2 years ago
By Romans, did you mean Christians?Pagan Rome didn't have a problem w/ people of different faiths, as long as they paid homage to Rome. Christianity, on the other hand, is a fanatical religion that doesn't tolerate any other faith.
Christians destroyed the Library of Alexandria, and before that tortured, murdered, and set on fire, Hypatia of Alexandria, the last great Grecco philosopher, mainly because she refused to convert to Christianity and also refused to give in to Christian demands.
BoyintheMachine 2 years ago 2
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Listen 'boy', you are dumb!
Don't talk about things, you don't understand. I'm not a Christian, but I know
you are a "FOOL"
You are the world's problem, a know nothing bigot, a half a fag, who belongs
in the toilet, with the rest of his 'family'.
"Now go home and get your fuckin'
shine box"!
fntime 2 years ago
I'm dumb? I guess you think Carl Sagan is dumb too, because he mentions that a Christian mob burned down the Library of Alexandria and a Christian mob killed Hypatia of Alexandria.
Look it up. Don't trust me, look it up.
Take the fucking time to google it if you need to. Google, "Christian mob burned down Library of Alexandria". Google, "Christian mob killed Hypatia of Alexandria."
A christian mob tortured, murdered, and then set the body of Hypatia of Alexandria on fire idiot.
BoyintheMachine 2 years ago 3
fntime 2 years ago
"The Alexandria library was destroyed about 30 years before Christ was born."
False. You are speaking of the story that blames Julius Caeser for the destruction of the library. The problem is that this story is not proven and in fact there is documented evidence it is false.
Currently the most accepted theory is that the Library of Alexandria was destroyed by Christians. Pople Theophilus is believed by some to have even decreed it.
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BoyintheMachine 2 years ago 5
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The Library of Alexandria was destroyed cira 391 AD by Christians.
So now we are left with Hypatia of Alexandria. A simple Google search will provide you with the history that she was set upon by a mob of Christians who then took her to a church, stripped her, used shells to scrape the flesh off her body, and then set her body on fire. One of the men implimented in her murder was later made a Saint.
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BoyintheMachine 2 years ago 9
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Hypatia of Alexandria came under fire because she opposed the growing Christian cult, as well as for the fact that she was a woman in a position of power.
At that time the Christian religion was growing in numbers in Alexandria. The Christians were pretty much fanatical and sought the destruction of anything they considered 'Pagan", which included the Library and the Science of the time. Christians began acts of terrorism, destroying Pagan temples and even accosting Hypatia...
BoyintheMachine 2 years ago 4
(continued) ...demanding that she destroy the scrollls kept at the library due to their association with Paganism, as well as demanding she step down. Hypatia stood her ground and was even bold enough to speak out against the growing cult.
"All formal dogmatic religions are fallacious and must never be accepted by self-respecting persons as final."
-Hypatia of Alexandria
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BoyintheMachine 2 years ago 2
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"Fables should be taught as fables, myths as myths, and miracles as poetic fancies. To teach superstitions as truths is a most terrible thing. The child mind accepts and believes them, and only through great pain and perhaps tragedy can he be in after years relieved of them. ...
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BoyintheMachine 2 years ago 2
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"In fact, men will fight for a superstition quite as quickly as for a living truth --- often more so, since a superstition is so intangible you cannot get at it to refute it, but truth is a point of view, and so is changeable."
-Hypatia of Alexandria
Because of her refusal to give into Christian demands, Hypatian was kidnapped, tortured, murdered, and set on fire...in a Church no-less!
Hypatia's death marks the beginning of the Dark Ages & the rise of Christianity.
BoyintheMachine 2 years ago 4
I need to clarify one thing though, the Christians didn't destroy all of the Library of Alexandria. A small portion of the Library's collections is believed to have survived until the late 600's where they were destroyed by Arab invaders. However, the death-blow was dealt by Christians.
BoyintheMachine 2 years ago 4
The Ancient Alexandrian library was destroyed four different times. As a mistake by julius Caesar in the alexandrian war, then Aurelians attack and Theophilus attack. So yes, the majority of the 700,000 scrolls were actually destroyd by christians. Well, according to todays sources that is...
zzaarrker 2 years ago
Yes unfortunately! The library was burned
down twice!!!!
fntime 2 years ago
actually, 4 times.. lol
zzaarrker 2 years ago
Wow.
Somebody hasn't read The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire. Or at least the obvious Chapter 28.
LtSurge659 2 years ago
LMAO billy bats
ArtiePiscano 2 years ago
I really enjoyed the argumnet between the two,very interesting ,as it always the case when the argument has nothing to do with the subject of the video,haha,lol,thank u anyway :)
sweetkittensarah21 2 years ago
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I didn't realise Greeks could read?
Amazing...
AmirShahinIV 2 years ago
Alexander the great dressed like a Pharaoh and declared himself a Pharaoh, that is very crucial and no other man has achieved or has envisioned what he saw or did in spreading his Greek culture; he clearly understood what it takes to be a great man --never a Tyrrant--- everything that Alexandria held in knowledge and the great leaps forward in human achievement is owed to the Greeks and the Ptolemaic Greek dynasty who built and maintained this phenomenal ancient library.
AthenaionPolis 2 years ago 19
1:48 to 1:51 how many takes for that shot, image sagan nad a love 4 acting and never discovered his talent for creating
bryngOneOn 2 years ago
Carl was an amazing guy.
sushiyama1 2 years ago 2
sagan has the mannerisms of a robot.
Aside from that, this is an excellent presentation...very fascinating.
I believe the roman emperor cesar accidentally set it on fire, but i also believe it was destroyed and rebuilt several times before.
pmsan29 2 years ago
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The Library at Alexandria was a royal "collection" of scrolls. NOT a "library" in our modern sense. Only greek scholars had access. Free men. Not people like you or me. Slavery was never questioned, remember ? Thats why I say good riddance to that disgusting momunent to pagan filth and degeneracy. It was only through Christianity that western Civilization came to understand concepts
such as "egalitarianism" and "equality under God". : )
RideMyBMW 2 years ago
Actually, Muslim Arabs developed Calculus, Buddhist Chinese discovered gun powder, paper-milling and other discoveries.
Your opinion is too Christo-Euro-Centric... There are OTHER people in the world.
BTW. Christians re-discovered slavery, but unlike those "pagans" instead of treating their slaves well, and eventually offering freedom well, I'm sure you've read Black History.. wait, you might be Republican, I must translate for you: I mean Affirmative Action Month.
magog1138 2 years ago
"Christians re-discovered slavery" - mag
Wrong again sir, It took a Christian Empire (Britain) to spear head the abolition of slavery. Here in the US, it was the Christian Abolitionist movement that helped to get the job done. Dunno what sh&%hole your folks crawled outta dude, but myself ? I`m proud of my American Judeo-Christian heritage.
RideMyBMW 2 years ago
See, here is the contradiction I see with people whom believe the USA is a Christian Nation (I'm not saying you do, you likely might, but you brought up an interesting point.) I mean if America is Christian Nation, founded on Christian Morals well then they practiced slavery, and either they somehow didn't notice a couple hundred thousand to million Black People that had relatively no rights up until the 1960's, or maybe the thought slavery was moral. Which is it?
magog1138 2 years ago
"Your opinion is too Christo-Euro-Centric... There are OTHER people in the world." - mag
Thats cuz I`m `Merican dude, not some towelheaded carpet kisser or baldheaded incense burner. You can talk bout fu&%in calculus n gun powder all ya want, but "Fatman" n "Lil Boy" trumps em all , ya dumbassed fu&%in taliban lover. :D
RideMyBMW 2 years ago
I hate the Taliban and I would do nothing less than to gut them, skin them, burn them, cut them up into tiny pieces, and feed them to their fellow myth-believing, murderous horde
The irony here is shouldn't you be the one to "Love thy enemy?"
Ah, you're just mad because FACTS contradict your so-called faith. I say it's so-called, because the only reason anyone is Christian is because they want a reward when they're dead- ever-lasting life.
magog1138 2 years ago
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You're nothing more than just another Yankee fucking racist ass bigot. Fuck off & die.
coon35 2 years ago
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Calculus was developed by newton you idiot.
Gplex 2 years ago
Ok, here is where it's a matter of specifics: It was actually ALGEBRAIC CALCULUS that was developed by medieval, ARAB MATHMATECIAN called Ibn Alhazen 965 in Basra - c. 1039 in Cairo whom also improved optics, and the scientific method which influenced science's devleopment for 500 FUCKING YEARS.
All because you're too fucking lazy to READ A BOOK FOR RESEARCH instead of the internet, doesn't make it less true you retarded extract of a whore. Let me help you: google search: Alhazen, you cock!
magog1138 2 years ago
Wow, assume I don't read books, because you got something wrong. The scientific method didnt properly start until galileo, and netwon, after questioning aristotle long held ideas, instead of taking them on faith.
You keep bring up religion descovered this, and that, when in fact it was a person, who happen to be in this religion.
How about you take your own advice, and read a book for reasearch. bill bryson a short history of nearly everything would be a good start for you.
Gplex 2 years ago
You have nothing more than a Euro-Christo Centric view on the development of the world, which you make abhorrently clear, as if all that you learned came directly from PBS Cartoons. It's sophomoric, and your redundancy is ridiculous.
Kitabal Manadhir by ALhazen inspired WESTERNERS such as Kepler and Francis Bacon. Alhazen's list of his books runs to 200 or so. Also see John W. Draper, A History of the Intellectual Development of Europe, 1875, Vol. II, p. 45 et seq.
magog1138 2 years ago
"You have nothing more than a Euro-Christo Centric view on the development of the world" - magog
Uh, ever heard of the West`s "Judeo-Christian" tradition ? Regardless of what neo-pagans like you may think, thats the foundation of Western society, hello ?
RideMyBMW 2 years ago
arabs has preserved few of the works now lost in this library, originally written in greek, then copied by arabs in greek and taken back to their country for translation in the arabic language.
VenenoCY 2 years ago
Also, just to add to your clusterfuck of "nothing but knowledge on things eurocentric." It wasn't JUST SIR Isaac Newton, but Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz- They both reached their conclusions independently, BUT universally it's understood that Isaac Newton and Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz built on the work of earlier mathematicians to introduce its basic principles. The development of calculus was built on earlier concepts of instantaneous motion and area underneath curves. Such as the work of ALHAZEN
magog1138 2 years ago
When did I talk about the development of the world? I pointed out 2 major flaws in you argument, and somehow you think that means I dont read book, and have a euro christocentric view. I have never seen such poor reasoning skills before
Newton developed modern calculus before anyone else. Yet somehow you wanted to contribute all of his work to arab muslims. Every part of mathematics has been built on previous work thats general knowledge
How about this time you reply to me without using google
Gplex 2 years ago
You know I don't even hate Christians. I just hate the idiots that make is so infallible, they aren't humble enough to admit there were mistakes made- Like the Christians that thought slavery was a-okay. Because you must believe that your faith is infallible, then your way of thinking is no different than the thought process of a Islamist Terrorist.
magog1138 2 years ago 2
Ok, I think i'm missing something... how was it burned?
bongolow07 2 years ago
"What one generation cherishes, inevitably turns to garbage in the next. " BMW
Yeah, your religion is finding that out right now. I have not met one teenager that follows your religion the way you do, and many of them have turned from Christianity.
Obelisk155 2 years ago
"I have not met one teenager that follows your religion the way you do, and many of them have turned from Christianity." - Obe
Its kinda sad, but you`re sorta proving my point : ( ... The human soul (especially young teens) need Christian order and discipline in their lives. Not heathenistic,
paganistic "dime store" philosophies.
RideMyBMW 2 years ago
"Its built on freedom and openness not totalitarianism and opression. " BMW
Which means you have to convince the majority of the people to follow you. And, as you'll find out quick, the internet will make your job even harder, as it will make it difficult for anyone to stop the flow of information.
Obelisk155 2 years ago
Yes, it was a citadel of human consciousness, and they studied..........astrology, among other things. = ) hehe
alchemistra 2 years ago
How sad that the hammer of ignorance could crumble the walls of such an extraordinary building.
RosaeCrucis57 2 years ago 11
"How sad that the hammer of ignorance could crumble the walls of such an extraordinary building." - Rosae
Nothing`s forever Rosa. Society changes.
What one generation cherishes, inevitably turns to garbage in the next.
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Biffandango 2 years ago
and, you have to assume you will BE ABLE to destroy it all. If you think we won't fight back, you're obviously retarded, and you have to win that fight, and if every fundie has the same intelligence as you, I doubt you will.
Obelisk155 2 years ago
"if every fundie has the same intelligence as you, I doubt you will." - Obe
What`s fascinating though is the cyclical nature of history and Western Civlization.
My original quote was "Instant Fundies gonna getcha if the Towelhead don`t getcha first ". Our Civilization is easier to bring down than we might think. Its built on freedom and openness not totalitarianism and opression.
RideMyBMW 2 years ago
"We Fundie Christians gonna getcha if the Towelhead don`t getcha first." BMW
You can't get all of us, and some of us has a good portion of the world's scientific knowledge saved and know where to hide it if Christians do destroy everything, making it possible to bring back our technology over time.
Obelisk155 2 years ago
"We got a pretty long hit list goin, next up : Scientific humanism. "
RideMyBMW
Next up, religious intolerance and creationism.
Just try and destroy science, you'll fail miserably. This time, there'll be those who will fight back.
Obelisk155 2 years ago
"Just try and destroy science, you'll fail miserably. This time, there'll be those who will fight back" - Obe
We Fundie Christians gonna getcha if the Towelhead don`t getcha first...xD!!!!!
RideMyBMW 2 years ago
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this is boring
215858452845 3 years ago
Carl Sagan Kicked ass!
anabolicErik 3 years ago 2
It's easy to see guys like Hitchens and Dawkins being so different from Sagan with their methods of advocating reason in an insane world. Yet, I suppose, at the heart of it, lies a similar message: Nothing lasts forever, so it's in our best interests to help each other out, instead of letting a falsely-held sense of cosmic importance destroy us by hardening our hearts.
jakebreaker 3 years ago
"at the heart of it, lies a similar message: Nothing lasts forever" - jake
Words of wisdom. Ya can`t fight change. Pagans and their B.S. religion learned the hard way 2000 years ago.
RideMyBMW 3 years ago
"Pagans and their B.S. religion learned the hard way 2000 years ago."
Yeah. Let's just hope the day is coming when Abrahamic followers' B.S. religions learn it the easy way.
jakebreaker 3 years ago
Greeks are so awesome. :D
romanpr1nce 3 years ago 3
hitlers was the ilegitimate grandson of a rothschild, who was a jew.
issareign 3 years ago
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He talks like his mouth is full of food!
mallamoozoo 3 years ago
Carl a true Humanitarian , a true scientific researcher, an energy who respected and understood true knowledge regardless of RACE-Alexandria the start of all the Pure Sciences "as he said it made us conquer space!!!
54spiritedwill54 3 years ago 3
I remember this from my childhood, it was like watching a magician conjuring all these wonderful images and filling my imagination with amazing stories. Thank you Mr Sagan, you are very sadly missed.
sparx65 3 years ago 6
why are you guys talking about Hitler?
ptolemy1989 3 years ago 5
Carl a true Humanitarian , a true scientific researcher, an energy who respected and understood true knowledge regardless of RACE-Alexandria the start of all the Pure Sciences "as he said it made us conquer space!!!
mysticgeek 3 years ago 3
Makes you wonder how todays world would have been different had those scrolls survived. What would the dark ages have been like? Leave it to the masses to drink the kool-aid and destroy that which they don't understand and feel threatened by.
ceviche666 3 years ago 4
Maby the Judeo-Christianites wouldn't have developed such an ego and would have simply accepted new knowledge, like modern-day liberal religionists? That would've been great. We would be several hundred years more advanced, at least. Although, there is a new form of science arising out of some of the naturalistic religions in the east.Buddhism, daoism don't have personal omnipotent gods, but the moral duty of the practitioner to be aware and through awareness,reach enlightenment, nonseparation.
MaBu888 3 years ago 2
Carl is an outstandingly brilliant individual. There is probably no-one better than he at at explaining the joys and marvels of science and the place of humanity on this "pale blue dot". He is sorely missed as a scientist, educator and world citizen.
josephdrew87 3 years ago 2
No matter what the people of Alexandria were like, important that they saved the many writings of famous minds. Until....
Iluthra 3 years ago 3
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Funny, old Carl never talks about all the degeneracy going on in Alexandria. No wonder we Christians erased that perverted center of "sex-magic".
RideMyBMW 4 years ago
Lol, you should fade quietly into the dark....
madman0000004 4 years ago 10
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"Lol, you should fade quietly into the dark...."
Nah, that´s what Pagans did 2000 years ago.
RideMyBMW 4 years ago
He talks about Ptolomy; astrology as pseudoscience and the earth centerd universe theory (which christians beleived in so hard that many were killed for thinking otherwise). So your belief (and many others as well) is wrong, Carl talks about "degeneracy" in Alexandria.
beto2 4 years ago 3
Right.... whatever.
No wonder no-one likes you.
nightflyer28 3 years ago
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"No wonder no-one likes you"
Snif, snif ...(tear rolls down cheek)
RideMyBMW 3 years ago
Seriously, do you have a brain or do you let invisible men that live in the sky think for you? You're an idiot.
Trumpetz81 3 years ago 2
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"You're an idiot." - Trumpet
Snif, snif ...(tear rolls down cheek) LOL!!!!
RideMyBMW 3 years ago
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Heck, who do you think took on
the "towelheads" in 1492 and won. We didn´t do it with flowers dude. BTW, we Christians
also paved the way for you "lab coats" to start tinkering with your test tubes.
RideMyBMW 4 years ago
His voice is intoxicating.
indiekid123 4 years ago
doesn't he just have the best voice!
acs1978au 4 years ago 5
Yeah, he sure does. I think I might train myself to speak just like him, it's so thrilling.
josephdrew87 3 years ago
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Muslims are savages!
scatmuncher 4 years ago
misguided mabey, savages never
BenderandCrow 4 years ago 2
when I mean misguided, I ment the whole terroriesm thing
BenderandCrow 4 years ago
your government loves you scatmunch. a puppet of the bush administration propaganda machine. well done.
acs1978au 3 years ago
There are several hypotheses; two are that it happened due to military actions, the third is that christians destroyed it because included a pagan temple and they wanted to cast out the mysticism and superstition, the fourth is that muslims sacked the city and destroyed the library because its documents either repeated the Quran and were superfluous or contradicted it and thus were wrong.
garouHH 4 years ago 2
another one is that gaius julius ceaser did it when he was there
gr0mithtimon 4 years ago
Gaius Julius Caesar. Fixed.
MaBu888 3 years ago
"think his point was about your attitude" - Sardonicus
WTF ? Who rattled your cage ? Back to ber jr.!
RideMyBMW 4 years ago
It was eleven years ago from today that Carl Sagan died... if only there was a heaven for him to go to...
HiddenFacedMatt 4 years ago 2
If there were a heaven, i'd like to think Carl got his wish to go back to the Great Library of Alexandria.
SardonicusRexx 4 years ago 2