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  • I am not a Rush fanatic but I have always like this tune. As a prog rock style bassist, I was intrigued with the bassline but too lazy to learn it. This recording makes it much easier and I have learned it verbatim. The burning question. Is this Geddy Lee? It sounds fine when I play it along with the original recording but I haven't perused both recordings to pick out the anomalies.

  • Just so we're clear the Rock Band stuff is based on alternate takes and not the exact album cuts. yes it is geddy. no it may not be the precise cut, but it is geddy on his rick in 1980.

  • How the fuck does he sing and play this shit??? fing awesome!

  • @LipSilentAssassin I was just thinking the same thing...I play bass and it would take me a week to learn this let alone sing too....just amazing talent

  • It sure is Geddy Lee playing??? It seems to me that there's an error in the bass line...

  • In an interview he says he used the rickenbacker for this song, it's in the related videos on YouTube mobile at least

  • Ok... Let's get this straight once and for all.

    This IS Geddy Lee. On Moving Pictures, he played the Rick for Limelight, Red Barchetta and The Camera Eye. The rest of the album is the Jazz bass....

    No more debates about it. It has been said by Ged so many times. Discussion closed!!!!

  • Just watched an interview with Geddy, where he plainly stated that this was done on a Rick. It was part 1 of the interview in the suggestions.

  • it is geddy hes using his custom jass bass

  • Who's the ignorant that didn't liked it?

  • Maybe this isn't Geddy, and maybe this isn't a Ric, but somebody's playing a wicked bass line here! I'd take him in my band any day.

  • This is a Ricky. Listen for the echo/pop of the pickup cavity on attack. Also for the lack of jazz bass ass. Compare to the sound on the isolated Tom Sawyer and Limelight.

  • @TheDandoodle Lol, but limelight = ricky too

  • @JoviBlink Sorry. That isn't a Ric. I have a model made in '73. Go listen to the isolated Subidivisions track -- that is unmistakably a Ric. This is a Jazz. When he hits the high notes like on the G string above 7 you would hear those notes sounding boomier, and the distortion would get fatter. This is a more even sound across all the notes like a Jazz.

  • Ged was my main reason for getting 2 ricks (4001 v63 and 4003) but I have to go with this being a Jazz. No Rick Ive had or heard has that raspy bottom end like this even if run thru a tube pre-amp. My rig included Hartke 7000 amp - Tubeworks Bluetube preamp - Sonic Maximizer - midiverb III - Hartke 215XL for lows and 415XL on top . Ive only played American Jazz basses and owned a Squire Jazz once which was just awful and didnt last long. Doesnt truly matter since I love both Rics and Jazz!

  • @Nikkodemis I agree. There's a certain "pumping" sound that comes out of a Ric in the higher register and I never heard it on the recording, but assumed that was the distortion. Without the rest of the mix in the way I can really hear those higher notes, and they have a much more even attack in that range. I have a vintage '73 4001 and a Squier VMJ (which felt and played identically to the Geddy Lee Jazz model next to it in the store), and this recording was done on a Jazz.

  • Quote:" Charlie Parker could have played a tin can and still make it sound good".............nice bass line Gary

  • thats not the original track, there are some differences...

  • @gravl1, yes it's a Ric, the tone is obvious, but it's not Geddy. If you know this song that well I figured you would know some of the obvious mistakes. It's great and very close, but there are some telltale signs that it is not Geddy or the original Red Barchetta track.

  • Ok, lets put this to rest. First, it's Geddy. Second, it's the Rick. After listening to this album for 30 years, and playing both Rick 4001 and Fender Jazz basses for at least that long, I am 100% sure of those two statements. What surprises me is the abrupt track cut in and out of the bassline, as if he overplayed the line, and left the cuts to a rookie engineer. It's unnoticeable on the final master, of course, and those cuts are tough to execute smoothly on analog tape machines. Great stuff!

  • Definitely not Geddy, RockBand is all covers they don't use the original songs. There are a few key parts where the notes aren't right and it's pretty easy to tell its not the original. There is no A in the first verse after the shots in the original is probably the most obvious.

  • Its a fender.

  • @HeavyMetalSocialist Like I said, I'm a drummer. There's nothing easy about an instrument with strings.

  • I'm a bassist, there is nothing easy about playing 12 instruments at once.

  • at 5:35 i think you can hear somone saying "ready"

  • Ha... Isn't Geddy soloing man...

    But an awesome cover... indeed...

  • Good bass playing, but it's not Geddy.

  • @Donniemeboy This IS Geddy. It's a master track ripped ripped STRAIGHT from Rock Band.

  • @Donniemeboy

    Yes it is. Stop being wrong.

  • sick eraserhead poster.

  • Epic, Geddy is amazing.

  • Yeah, this is the one. I think we just aren't used to hearing every fingernail scratch like this, so it is throwing some of us off. Or threw me off at first, but then all the years of hearing & listening for that bass took over. This is it.

  • 2:23-2:28 (approx.) is the lead up to the riff that all beginners get (foreshadows the new groove so to speak). It's the part that pisses most players off (I'll bet. I'm a drummer). I can see a dude sittin' on his bed with his bass, jammin' then it gets to 2:25, and they go "Ah, frick it."

    corgang, it's timing and technique beyond you and me and kind of a jaw dropping little riff imo.

  • This is very interesting and INDEED Geddy. I was sceptical as well and so I have on my PC the Moving Pictures album and so I thought if this is not Geddy then I should be able to play them at the same time and hear the difference between the playing.

    Well, after some trial and error I got them to sync, and guess what, It is indeed Geddy Lee's bass part.

    Try it yourself.

    And by the way, if you ever get the chance, Play with your band and record only your bass part, you won't beleive its you.

  • ughh

    

  • @corgang Its not wrong notes, its just a part leading up to the octaves, its written to be played that way on a sheet of music.

  • Every bass player alive wishes that they could get the same sound as Geddy. But we all know its impossible.

  • if it is geddy, it has wrong notes ( 2:23 ) and bad timing, maybe you wouldnt notice on the track but its obvious here

  • Don't judge the timing! The groove is down to subtle rythmic changes and when listen something solo that was originally recorded with other instruments it may sound weird. (I think this sounds great, even heard solo).

  • It's def. NOT Geddy. You only have to listen to his timing... this is a bad timing...

  • If this is the bass track from Rock Band, then it's someone else playing it. There's nothing in the title that says it's Geddy Lee.

  • @Scepple The Rock Band version of this song is actually Rush, not a cover. And that's definitely Geddy. I've scoured over this song for decades, and what is on this track is what is on the album.

  • its geddy! fucking ignorants ¬¬

  • Bass tone doesn't get better than this IMO

  • Sounds like the Rickenbacker

  • @XanaduMyHome ged has basically always insisted he used the ric on this song, my God what an amzing bass album

  • This is definitely my bass track. I don't imagine you're going to tell me how you got it though are you?

  • k i found out that rush has been putting different tracks in the rock band versions of their songs. im pretty sure this one is no exception

    subdivisions on RB3 is a good example

  • Definitely not the original bass track to this song. 5:29 only 1 triplet and not 2 like in the song. Couple extra notes here and there but damn near note for note, good job

  • @xxW00LYxx The bits you don't hear were laid in on top of this part on a different audio track. Remember they had 64 tracks to play with on the master. This is only one of them. They just just double-tracked a bit here and there. This is Geddy. If you listen to the YYZ isolated track on YouTube, you can hear the doubled parts and even the parts where solo fills were "punched in" with a different tonal quality to bring it up in the mix. Here you are not hearing the bass mix, just the first track.

  • @tdelamont I would also like to add that this is probably only out of the bridge pickup of his rickenbacker. Which would explain the very trebly bite which isnt assss prevalent.

  • @xxW00LYxx I know this post is old as hell but the 5:29 mark was also when I knew for sure that it's not Geddy. Great cover though.

  • WTF i thought geddy always had the Badass 2 on his bass!

  • @vectron12 Didn't put it on till after the MP tour

  • That's an awesome image. Where'd you find it?

  • Fuckin A

  • this sounds like you recored yourself, cut the bass out of the song, and put your recording in its place. the tone is a little higher then the rush bass line.

    its a nice cover though. :]

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  • Geddy's Tone is so Beast!!!!

  • NICE COVER.

  • you dont no music if you think this is a fake

  • This is the real track- or at least most of it is used for the final mix.

    The note at 2:25 is also on the recording.

  • NICE COVER!!!!

  • How can someone say this isn't Geddy? lol. Any of the bass tracks on YouTube that are Rush related all have his tone. You can't mistaken that Ged-tone.

  • sep.2?

  • Def the real thing, just not the "final" track, or at least bass "punch in's" were done at the end in the outro bass solo...GEDDY IS THE MAN!!

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  • This is definitely the original track, from beginning to end. Isolated tracks ~ speaking to my own recordings, especially ~ very often, never sound all that flattering by themselves, but within the mix, sound great. Also, when all the parts are mixed, certain notes can sometimes be heard (or, are implied), even if they weren't played. The drums (especially the bass drum) also plays a huge role in complimenting the bass, such that it may sound as though there's ie. an extra pluck of the string

  • from listening to this song religiously for about a year straight listening to lives of it and the recording there are obvious notes missing that make the song

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  • Not Geddy. Nice job though.

  • It's not Geddy, that's for sure! It's not it's style and he plays better than what we hear!

  • this has to be a previously recorded version of the bass track that was put on the actual song

    those "messed up" notes like at 2:24 are in the song if you focus on the bass in the song

  • he fucks up right at the beginning of the solo

  • This is the REAL original bass line isolated from the rest...from the Moving Pictures album

  • That's close is that a RIcky?

  • how could anyone say this isnt geddy...who else plays like this?...nobody

  • That IS the original track..

    

  • i dont know if that is geddy or not but it isnt the track used on the recordings

  • sounds slightly out of tune

  • i don't  get it

    this has to be geddy

    i listened to the bass solo at the end of the song and it was slightly different but everything else sounds the exact same

  • @vectron12

    The bass solo at the end even has the slight fret buzz, it has to be real

  • Really Geddy. It sounds like Geddy's usual hard attack. It also sounds a little overdriven, like Geddy.

  • Wrong note at 2:24

    Misses the root note by half step. Its OK. You dont really notice it on the record. But it sounds odd , a mistake, on the isolated track. Who cares? It is Geddy Lee, and I am sure he was aware of it while it happened and decided to keep playing as he should have, or he caught it during listen back decided it was no big deal, which it isnt. I only bring it up, because it is nice to see that this baddass player is actually a human being. Geddy doesnt show that side very often

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  • :) Having these semi-isolated tracks surely would have helped Wolf Marshall and Andy Aledort back in the 80's, but they managed! :)

  • Rush is the best band EVER

  • Err at 2:25

    Hehe, still great

  • this is Geddy but they mixed the tracks a bit for the post album

  • are you sure this is geddy? or did someone cover it?

  • Fantastic playing.

  • This song was recorded in one take according to Neil.

  • Check out the Eraserhead poster. One of my favorite movies.

  • It is geddy, its just not sitting in the mix like it does on the album version.

  • Yes this is really Geddy.

  • Really Geddy?

  • i think this isn't geddy. Listen bass solo and compare it with real red barchetta song. They aren't similar.

  • As someone who has slaved over this song as a teenager trying to learn it, and playing it for years, I can say with certainty that this is the original bass track to the song. All except for those strange missing notes at the end. They must have re-recorded that part. The rest of the song has every single auditory anomaly present on the record. Even the fret buzzing at 5:24 is present in full sing if you listen carefully.

  • Thank you bro!

  • Being a teenager I know what you mean by slaving over trying to learn this song.

  • @philritter21 Agreed. Listening back to back with the original there are too many minor details present on both for this to be a cover or unoriginal.

  • listen to it again. they sound exactly alike.

  • @jndlee92

    theyre the same xP

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  • @jndlee92 After listening to this for the first time, I have to say this does appear to be Geddy indeed, but I would suggest that it may be a bedtrack or alternate trial version of the original. People are correct about the outro solo, at 5:30 there is a trill missing from the original recording. Also, the outro, as it fades, Geddy mimicks Alex's guitar line in the original. There is a flubbed note at 2:25 as well. No producer, or Geddy would let that get by.

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  • fuck yeah, Geddy is killer at the bass

  • killa-tone

  • i wish i could get my bass to sound like that xP

  • Get a Rick 4001 and a big amp, then spend 20 years learning to play like Geddy!

  • @wado1942 this song was recorded with the fender jazz... for an example of rick tone listen to limelight! :)

  • @snapascrew

    I read an interview with Geddy where he was comparing his Rick tone to his Fender tone. He said Red Barchetta was recorded with the "Ricky" and Tom Sawyer was recorded with the Fender. He thinks there is an obvious tonal difference between the two bass tracks, because of the two different basses. I really can't say I can tell the difference.

  • @snapascrew geddy used the rick on this song and used his jazz on limelight >.>

  • @sykochikn136 I've managed to dupe that sound fairly well with an Ibanez Phathead bass distortion pedal.

  • @javvieh I wanted one they are not made anymore in Canada D: so I bought the boss pedal almost as good

  • @sykochikn136 RICKENBACKER ;)

  • me too

  • me too haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa­aaaaaaaaaaaa

  • @sykochikn136 you can- just ask ged to come over and play your bass!  jk

  • @sykochikn136

    Rusty Box

  • @sykochikn136 It's a Rickenbacker that he uses on this track =)

  • @sykochikn136 it's not difficult, a sansamp bass driver di(An EQ, a compressor, and what you want), a ricky 4001 or a jazz bass, long fingernails, a lot of pratice and technique and a lot of midrange and treble

  • @Shadic159 Not to mention Rotosound strings, and a heavy right hand.

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