@sephron17 no doubt! they used to call Kobe "the next Grant Hill" when he was in high school. Both players are skilled as fuck, work hard and love the game.
Just like i'm sure Grant Hill repected the 3 jumpers that Kobe hit in his face in the last minutes of Game 6 of the NBA WCF. I think when Grant Hill schools Kobe in a game that matters that well win him a championship or get close to it.....I think that's when his respect will come.........
@T82486 Umm yeah, Grant has had an injury that stopped him from reaching his potential, not to mention that he is 37-38 years old in this game where Kobe is 32. And Grant had a lot less talent on his team when he was in Detroit and he was still able to take them farther than Kobe did when Kobe didnt have Gasol or Shaq. Kobe had 4 All Stars last year in Artest, Odom, Gasol and himself with the highest payroll & experience winning with that team & they were the ONLY team SWEPT!
Actually Grant is now 39, but I concur fully, Kobe is the weight around the Lakers neck (see piss poor shot selection in the playoffs, 1-10 performance in the second half of game 4 vs Mavs) instead of the engine that makes it go. I would pay a practice dummy 30 million a year to play for me before Kobe "Team Cancer Shotjacker" Bryant.
@81broncoman@shermstyle23 are you all fccking serious? 1. grant hill is not better than kobe even if he didn't have injuries! injuries are part of the game! kobe has injuries! 2. kobe played with smush parker, kwame brown, bryan grant, chris mihm, etc when he didnt have shaq or gasol, so he didn't beat that suns team becuase he lacked even decent talent. 3. team not being considered, if kobe played in the east like grant hill, i'm sure he would've made it out the first round several times!
I am fucking serious, and here's why: in 2010 Kobe Bryant set the all-time record for the lowest field goal % ever recorded by a Finals "MVP" (He wasn't). In that finals he had 26 assists and 27 turnovers. He shot 40% (second worst of all Lakers starters except for Artest) and took more shots than any other two players, and only made TWO shots in the second half of the elimination game (clutch *snicker*). Last year (at 32) he had the MOST field goal attempts per minute in the NBA.
@81broncoman Bynum and Gasol aren't better than Marc Gasol nor Zach Randolph and the grizzlies have conley, mayo, gay, and defensive players. I doubt the grizzlies would beat the lakers with kobe, but without kobe and replace kobe with two good guards who shot 50%, the lakers would lose to the grizzlies!
without kobe and replace him with an a guard that you are suggesting, the lakers are a team like portland, or the grizzlies without rudy gay! they would be a solid team, and could possibly get a ring like dallas did this year, but they wouldn't have went to the finals 3 years in a row and won back to back!
@81broncoman also, ask yourself this, minus kobe from the lakers... are the lakers better than memphis, thunder, portland, dallas, spurs, nuggets, heat, boston, chicago, etc? (since you suggest kobe isn't the best player on the team, you should minus the second best player from all those teams and evaluate what i just asked you! or you can replace kobe with those 2 guards you recommend and then see which teams are better!)
Heres a fantastic career stat for the Shotjacker: In all of kobes games, the lakers have a 63% win rate. When he sits due to injury, apathy, or any combination of things, 64% win rate.
The analyst who said Kobe would be MVP if he lost was lying. He wasn't the MVP even though he won, Gasol recorded more win shares.
Kobe takes poor shots in critical possessions and turns the ball over. His 'intangibles' are negative, not positive, Locker room cancer and self-righteous attitude.
@81broncoman see those percentages are deceiving, those games that kobe sits, are games that they were probably going to win anyway! kobe hasn't really missed too many important games, so unlike Memphis this past year, the Lakers haven't had to go through an important stretch of games without kobe! and what did Pau do against Boston in games 3, 4, 5? he also played horribly defensively and late in those games they lose! Gasol is important to LA but not more important or valuable than kobe!
@81broncoman i'm not trying to argue with you or anything, but sometimes, i think people know what to expect from players like kobe, lebron, dwade, melo, dirk, etc so they try to say someone else on the team is more valuable to the team because, since you know those players for the most part (*cough* except lebron, lol) are going to show up always ready to play and give you the same production, the inconsistent players like a odom, bynum, gasol, chris bosh are more valuable! what do you think?
@81broncoman also, if kobe is a locker room cancer, how can you explain two championships and three finals appearances in a row? (are you implying that they would have went despite him?) Also, intangibles are definitely still positive even though he is getting up there in age! Still an okay defender, and kobe is still one of the best closers in the league, no one is perfect, but he is still the best in the last 5 minutes of any game!
Actually Kobe is one of the WORST closers in the league. The league average for clutch shooting is 31%, Kobe shoots 24%, but takes more clutch shots than anybody in the league so he has to make one once in a while. Last season, Kobe wasn't even the SECOND most valuable player on his team in producing wins, Pau was first and Lamar was second in total win shares and win shares per 48 minutes, but averaged twice the shots per minute of Pau, nearly four times lamar. Kobe = Ball Hog
@81broncoman one more thing for you, so i can prove my point stats doesn't always define a player!
28.6 points, 8.0 rebs, 3.9 ast, 2.1 stl per game for Kobe in the 2010 finals!
Shot 40.5% but even the GOAT MJ shot 41% himself in the '96 Finals and also went 5/19 FG for the championship winning game.
can you honestly say stats always shows what you are going to get from a player when you see that player on the court! and no, i'm not a kobe fanboy like a lot of people, i'm a fan of the game!
@81broncoman also, yes the lakers got swept and looked bad, but kobe is still the mvp of the team! they wouldn't get out the first round without kobe!
Your right, they wouldn't just get out of the first round, if they traded Kobe for two good guards who could shoot 50% and would properly pass to their three INCREDIBLE big men, they would be champions every year. But no, they drop 40% of their offensive possessions and 30 million a year on an aging, egotistical scumbag who thinks he IS the Los Angeles Lakers and everything that goes wrong isn't his fault (including his 1 for 10 debacle and shit talking against dallas)
@81broncoman up until game 7 in the 2010 finals, everybody said, even win or lose, Kobe might have been the second player since Jerry West to Win Finals MVP. I'll find the footage where a lot of analyst said that! Also, if you replace kobe with two guards who shoot 50% from the field, you'd also have to give kobe equal supporting cast in return and i doubt the lakers would beat him!
@81broncoman in conclusion if u take kobe off the lakers and replace him with 2 guards as u suggested, you'd have 2 b fair about the situation n have 2 put him in a equal situation! if you do that, kobe team will go further than the lakers! I guarantee that! Stats only tell part of the story when defining a player, i'm not saying they aren't important, but sometimes you have to dig deeper! no kobe lakers are done! sometimes i wish kobe would get traded, just to prove a point to the haters!
Grant Hill is an upstanding ambassador of the NBA, Kobe takes every chance he can to prove what an asshole he is to the world. Which one would you respect?
Kobe must retire when he's 35 yrs. old. He aint Michael Jordan..
petergayatao 3 months ago
He could have dunk the ball, that would have been awesome!
malteadotas4 4 months ago
@malteadotas4 *dunked
malteadotas4 4 months ago
"Kobe feelin it!!!".... *BRICK!*
xxwhatevahxx 5 months ago
Suns allday much respect grant hill
TheJean849 6 months ago
Kobe has got to respect that !!!!!
sephron17 6 months ago
@sephron17 no doubt! they used to call Kobe "the next Grant Hill" when he was in high school. Both players are skilled as fuck, work hard and love the game.
malteadotas4 6 months ago
Just like i'm sure Grant Hill repected the 3 jumpers that Kobe hit in his face in the last minutes of Game 6 of the NBA WCF. I think when Grant Hill schools Kobe in a game that matters that well win him a championship or get close to it.....I think that's when his respect will come.........
T82486 5 months ago
@T82486 blahblahblah :D
feaRLaFrentz 5 months ago
@T82486 uh huh.... dude im Pro Kobe relax
sephron17 5 months ago
@T82486 Umm yeah, Grant has had an injury that stopped him from reaching his potential, not to mention that he is 37-38 years old in this game where Kobe is 32. And Grant had a lot less talent on his team when he was in Detroit and he was still able to take them farther than Kobe did when Kobe didnt have Gasol or Shaq. Kobe had 4 All Stars last year in Artest, Odom, Gasol and himself with the highest payroll & experience winning with that team & they were the ONLY team SWEPT!
Shermstyle23 4 months ago
@Shermstyle23
Actually Grant is now 39, but I concur fully, Kobe is the weight around the Lakers neck (see piss poor shot selection in the playoffs, 1-10 performance in the second half of game 4 vs Mavs) instead of the engine that makes it go. I would pay a practice dummy 30 million a year to play for me before Kobe "Team Cancer Shotjacker" Bryant.
81broncoman 3 months ago
@81broncoman @shermstyle23 are you all fccking serious? 1. grant hill is not better than kobe even if he didn't have injuries! injuries are part of the game! kobe has injuries! 2. kobe played with smush parker, kwame brown, bryan grant, chris mihm, etc when he didnt have shaq or gasol, so he didn't beat that suns team becuase he lacked even decent talent. 3. team not being considered, if kobe played in the east like grant hill, i'm sure he would've made it out the first round several times!
diplomat4563 3 months ago
@diplomat4563
I am fucking serious, and here's why: in 2010 Kobe Bryant set the all-time record for the lowest field goal % ever recorded by a Finals "MVP" (He wasn't). In that finals he had 26 assists and 27 turnovers. He shot 40% (second worst of all Lakers starters except for Artest) and took more shots than any other two players, and only made TWO shots in the second half of the elimination game (clutch *snicker*). Last year (at 32) he had the MOST field goal attempts per minute in the NBA.
81broncoman 3 months ago
@81broncoman Bynum and Gasol aren't better than Marc Gasol nor Zach Randolph and the grizzlies have conley, mayo, gay, and defensive players. I doubt the grizzlies would beat the lakers with kobe, but without kobe and replace kobe with two good guards who shot 50%, the lakers would lose to the grizzlies!
diplomat4563 3 months ago
without kobe and replace him with an a guard that you are suggesting, the lakers are a team like portland, or the grizzlies without rudy gay! they would be a solid team, and could possibly get a ring like dallas did this year, but they wouldn't have went to the finals 3 years in a row and won back to back!
diplomat4563 3 months ago
@81broncoman also, ask yourself this, minus kobe from the lakers... are the lakers better than memphis, thunder, portland, dallas, spurs, nuggets, heat, boston, chicago, etc? (since you suggest kobe isn't the best player on the team, you should minus the second best player from all those teams and evaluate what i just asked you! or you can replace kobe with those 2 guards you recommend and then see which teams are better!)
diplomat4563 3 months ago
@diplomat4563
Heres a fantastic career stat for the Shotjacker: In all of kobes games, the lakers have a 63% win rate. When he sits due to injury, apathy, or any combination of things, 64% win rate.
The analyst who said Kobe would be MVP if he lost was lying. He wasn't the MVP even though he won, Gasol recorded more win shares.
Kobe takes poor shots in critical possessions and turns the ball over. His 'intangibles' are negative, not positive, Locker room cancer and self-righteous attitude.
81broncoman 3 months ago
@81broncoman see those percentages are deceiving, those games that kobe sits, are games that they were probably going to win anyway! kobe hasn't really missed too many important games, so unlike Memphis this past year, the Lakers haven't had to go through an important stretch of games without kobe! and what did Pau do against Boston in games 3, 4, 5? he also played horribly defensively and late in those games they lose! Gasol is important to LA but not more important or valuable than kobe!
diplomat4563 3 months ago
@81broncoman i'm not trying to argue with you or anything, but sometimes, i think people know what to expect from players like kobe, lebron, dwade, melo, dirk, etc so they try to say someone else on the team is more valuable to the team because, since you know those players for the most part (*cough* except lebron, lol) are going to show up always ready to play and give you the same production, the inconsistent players like a odom, bynum, gasol, chris bosh are more valuable! what do you think?
diplomat4563 3 months ago
@81broncoman also, if kobe is a locker room cancer, how can you explain two championships and three finals appearances in a row? (are you implying that they would have went despite him?) Also, intangibles are definitely still positive even though he is getting up there in age! Still an okay defender, and kobe is still one of the best closers in the league, no one is perfect, but he is still the best in the last 5 minutes of any game!
diplomat4563 3 months ago
@diplomat4563
Actually Kobe is one of the WORST closers in the league. The league average for clutch shooting is 31%, Kobe shoots 24%, but takes more clutch shots than anybody in the league so he has to make one once in a while. Last season, Kobe wasn't even the SECOND most valuable player on his team in producing wins, Pau was first and Lamar was second in total win shares and win shares per 48 minutes, but averaged twice the shots per minute of Pau, nearly four times lamar. Kobe = Ball Hog
81broncoman 3 months ago 2
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@81broncoman one more thing for you, so i can prove my point stats doesn't always define a player!
28.6 points, 8.0 rebs, 3.9 ast, 2.1 stl per game for Kobe in the 2010 finals!
Shot 40.5% but even the GOAT MJ shot 41% himself in the '96 Finals and also went 5/19 FG for the championship winning game.
can you honestly say stats always shows what you are going to get from a player when you see that player on the court! and no, i'm not a kobe fanboy like a lot of people, i'm a fan of the game!
diplomat4563 3 months ago
@81broncoman also, yes the lakers got swept and looked bad, but kobe is still the mvp of the team! they wouldn't get out the first round without kobe!
diplomat4563 3 months ago
@diplomat4563
Your right, they wouldn't just get out of the first round, if they traded Kobe for two good guards who could shoot 50% and would properly pass to their three INCREDIBLE big men, they would be champions every year. But no, they drop 40% of their offensive possessions and 30 million a year on an aging, egotistical scumbag who thinks he IS the Los Angeles Lakers and everything that goes wrong isn't his fault (including his 1 for 10 debacle and shit talking against dallas)
81broncoman 3 months ago
@81broncoman up until game 7 in the 2010 finals, everybody said, even win or lose, Kobe might have been the second player since Jerry West to Win Finals MVP. I'll find the footage where a lot of analyst said that! Also, if you replace kobe with two guards who shoot 50% from the field, you'd also have to give kobe equal supporting cast in return and i doubt the lakers would beat him!
diplomat4563 3 months ago
@81broncoman in conclusion if u take kobe off the lakers and replace him with 2 guards as u suggested, you'd have 2 b fair about the situation n have 2 put him in a equal situation! if you do that, kobe team will go further than the lakers! I guarantee that! Stats only tell part of the story when defining a player, i'm not saying they aren't important, but sometimes you have to dig deeper! no kobe lakers are done! sometimes i wish kobe would get traded, just to prove a point to the haters!
diplomat4563 3 months ago
@T82486
Grant Hill is an upstanding ambassador of the NBA, Kobe takes every chance he can to prove what an asshole he is to the world. Which one would you respect?
81broncoman 3 months ago
I went to that game...
basketballfan88 7 months ago 3
@basketballfan88 Same
NathynBourque 4 months ago
@NathynBourque coolio
basketballfan88 4 months ago
Grant Hill is the best
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