Fastpitch Softball Illegal Pitch2 ?

[djshepherd915]

Technically, that's a correct call by the umpire. The pitcher cannot bring her pivot foot off the ground after she has started her pitching motion (i.e. brought the hands together or made a motion to pitch). When she tried to slide her foot to one side of the rubber, it came off the rubber. Although, playing to advantages, that's not really an advantage, so I would've warned the pitcher and told the coach what she had done without calling it.

[MrHauntings]

you do not need to present the ball, approach the mound with hands apart, ball in glove or hand, her foot slid accross the rubber and did not leave the rubber, perfectly legal

[slowmoe98emery]

Her foot left the mound so it is illeagal but she did separate her hands so it was not because it did not show the ball

[soffballchikk]

her foot didnt leave the mound, so it wouldnt be illegal.

[Softballchickaa5]

Is this sun valley high school from Aston cusz if it is they r good but we don't learn the right way to pitch untill the ump tells us cusz our coaches don't tell us how to when we start to pitch

[karamason27]

her foot dosent leave the mound if u watch closley you will se that her heal slides acroos the back of the mound with her toes facing up

[cbw24793gurls]

well i dont think soo i never saw her back foot leave the mound

[xocutez67]

Why put a video up of a girl doing an illegal pitch when the ump already said it was? Lol yea umpires can be douches at times but still. And plus. It's kinda mean to post this up. :) anyways, in my league, that would be illegal. :D

[CaryCrush71]

Yes this is an illegal pitch her foot does come off the pitching mound before she pitches.

[drewisblanco]

its softball....who cares

[tinymike5150131]

THEM UMPIRES ARE SMOKING WEED B4 GAMES I BET YOU

[FlamesSoftball12]

shes got a big butt.

[notanotherface1994]

This looks legal, I would have swung at it.

[TriKyTriXx]

WTF? where is this field? Looks like in the middle of the jungle.

[madsadf]

no,both feet or one foot was on the ground.if she does a crow hop then yes.but its wasnt illegal

[avsfan331940]

There's no way her right foot stays on the ground. It rocks forward, its on the toes, rocks back, its on the heel. There is no way to do that and keep the foot on the ground without falling on your ass because your cleats stuck in the dirt.

[btittrington]

It isn't illegal for the hands. Nor would a base umpire worth any salt ever call an illegal on the hands (that isn't their responsibility, they have the feet). It is a tough angle, but looks like her non pivot foot loses contact with the rubber on the back side, and that would be illegal (whether she crow hops or not is irrelevant). You lose contact on the back side, it is illegal.

[MrSportdad62]

I umpire HS and ASA and PONY. She is not lifting her foot; but look at her heel. She rocks back to the heel, slides and then flattens out to push off. It still a judgment call

[LMA711]

you are allowed to rock, but ur not allowed to take ur foot off the rubber like she did. but then again, its not that great of a veiw - you should take it from the side.

[CUjay44]

you could call it illegal because her front foot loses contact with the mound prior to her body moving forward buuuut she isnt gaining anything from it and she isnt crow hopping so it doesnt really matter.

[ocbroadband]

I'm not sure what video your looking at, but I don't see a mound in this video. I see a pitchers plate. :)

[CUjay44]

wow.... way to be a detail asshole. a mound and pitchers plate are essentially the same friggin thing. a pitcher stands on it and pushes off from it to throw. and plenty of softball people*me included* call it a mound even though yes it is technically flat.

[ocbroadband]

Any fastpitch umpire worth a salt would have said the same thing. There is no 'mound' there, its called a pitchers plate in every rulebook I've ever seen. Grow up with your responses.

[CUjay44]

too bad im not an umpire. im a softball player... and i just happen to be a pitcher who's been pitching for ten years. Im pretty sure i know what i'm talking about. i know that rulebooks call it a pitchers plate. but during a game you dont refer to it as a plate its a mound regardless of if it's flat or not. home plate is a plate the pitchers mound is not. and i believe you are the one who was being immature :)

[ocbroadband]

Good thing there's no rule in it either stating as such, or you would be ejected on my field.  A mound is in baseball, a pitchers plate is in softball, period. Don't take things so personnel, I was just making a point. If you can't take comments and people voicing their perspective/opinions, maybe you shouldn't allow comments. Good luck to you if your still playing.

[CUjay44]

its not my video so i have no control over comments made and there was no reason for you to respond to my comment in the first place. my comment was made 2 months ago and obviously wasnt harming you in anyway. and no rule against what exactly?

[CUjay44]

and btw im playing in college. NCAA D1

[press3copz]

What level is this? College? H.S? Summer? Rules "sllightly" differ for each. In the college ranks, you better make sure you know what you're talking about, other wise college coaches will rip you a new hind part and your days in the college ranks will be short lived and don't even THINK ABOUT post season play. I'd have to see a better video from a better angle to make a call.

[hockeygmann]

yes that would be illegal because the foot does come off the mound during the pitch but as an umpire do you think thats giving her a big advantage. the only way i would call it is if this was a upper level game. as in 16a and up and varsity

[GRuf1f]

This was high school in PA.

[AlyssaHeape]

@hockeygmann True that, plus as the ball behind the back..

[bailashtoreth]

Actually ASA rules state that the pitcher must take her position with hands separated and take the sign or APPEAR TO take the sign with hands separated. There is no requirement on time except for when the hands are TOGETHER.

[bailashtoreth]

I posted this WHILE READING the ASA rulebook.

[ritchyybitchyy4]

yes this pitch is totally legal in most organizations. the only organization it would not be legal is in ASA because she takes one of her feet off the mound during the beginning of her motion. she presented the ball just fine. and you are definatly allowed to rock your body during your motion...i should know im a pitcher. you are also allowed to move your foot across the mound as long at it is in contact with the mound. in PONY,NSA, USSSA and any other organization besides ASA this is legal.

[Huneybee2010]

you are allowed to rock a little back when you are presenting the ball as long as one foot is on the rubber and you dont take a step back like this girl does.. This is Illegal

[softballcutie51]

also because of the way here feet start and stop.

[softballcutie51]

you can't rock your body when you pitch.

so yeaahh, its illegal..

[timofmya]

starts with left foot on rubber and ends with right foot on rubber.

[shirlster7]

also illegal......there is no backward or rocking motion allowed of the body

[nikkisoftball]

thats why the ump is talking to her because of the foot moving back!

[penguinluvr455]

i dont know accually i played softball but i wasnt a pitcher.

[Nicomets1]

Thats illegal!!!!!!!

[softballfr3ak07]

ur not susposed to step back when the ball and the mitt touch, its illeagal

[edt32]

She picked up her back foot before the ball was released. That is illegal.

[sophieluvsvball121]

illegal...her feet

[beeftuna101]

I DONT THINK ITS ILLEGAL!

[XsniperzX24]

As far as the step back with non pivot foot, it depends on what sanctioned rules you are following. ASA illegal. USSSA and NFHS legal. You can step back with the non-pivot foot in USSSA and NFHS. As far as the pivot foot, you can slide it down the pitching plate as long as it remains in contact. From this angle it is hard to tell if it completely loses contact. Base ump behind first would have the best angle on that. I'm assuming it did since he comes in and talks to her.

[kjp137]

depends on the league, it looks like she is stepping back, and usually when you get to high school, it becomes an illegal pitch. you always have to start with both feet on the rubber, and usually can take one step while delivering, with that being towards the batter. she presented the ball all three times

[SCprideBatman56]

number sixes ass is as big as my dick, and thats pretty large

[putz1113]

NSA rules say you have to start with both feet on the rubber until you start your motion. Once in motion one foot has to remain on the rubber until the drag or it's crow hop. The second pitch she does looks like she did not drag and got a warning for crow hop. But the rest look OK.

[roooddy]

to me seems like she presented the ball on the 2nd one but the 3rd (last) pitch, i do not see her present the ball!

[shiquiada01]

thats how your suppost to do it in san lorenzo!

[salazara23]

It's look illegal to me, I don't think you can have front foot come behind your back foot.

[ixheartxthexsteelers]

if this is tournament ball then yes because she takes both feet off of the rubber. if the ump called it on visibilty then he was wrong because you can deff see it.

[softballfreak1003]

this is Illegal,

you can't hacve your foot go behind your othher foot.

[HeathsBaby1508]

Yep it's illegal because her foot slided back

[Nemomonkey09]

It illegal but thats not why she did not present the ball and she took both feet off the rubber,

[mxchix23lol]

no as long as you have 1 foot on the mound,then its not illegal.

(i would know i pitch)

[nikkisoftball]

well i pitch too and when you get older you need to have both feet on the pitching rubber

[putz1113]

She's right ..as long as you start with both feet on the rubber until your motion.

[pitcherperfect20]

it is illegal because u cant slide your foot back

[xobabelbabyox]

she looks like she is sliding her front foot behind the mound in her motion, and i dont think that is legal

[TwilightxLuver]

thats illegal she has to show the ball and then she can pitch

[loljkcheese]

i dont think thts the reason cuz im a pitcher but @ the same time it makes sense....... i dont think it iz but it could b its just tht u would think the ump would say sumthin thts wht happened in 1 of mi games 2 the othr team

[ddubfastpitchgirl20]

yes it is illegal because she needs to show the ball before she starts her motion.

[LlamaLuver3]

yep

she cant step back after shes already on the rubber

[Jordan3445]

ya you can depends what fooot you step off with

[er2323]

oh yeah i remember this game because i played in it.

funny how the other pitcher isnt on here.. im pretty sure she threw illegal the whole game "daddy-o-ruff "

[softball273]

you cant slid your foot back its illegal!!

[loljkcheese]

no u can im a pitcher theyu would hve said sumthin if it was

[softball273]

Well im a pitcher too! And you cant its in the rules and shes wasting energy doin that

[dracrow12]

I will pound that fat ass!!!!!!!!

[pigpin1994]

its legal because as long as she isnt on the plate and puts the ball in the glove and takes it out again then it is legal and she slid her foot so that pitch was totally legal

[twiztidk]

let this be a lesson... you can't trust fat chicks...

[JasmineMarriee]

very illegal!

[theaustinkid2]

there should be a rule no ugly ass players

[BreannaBanana30]

I'm sorry. That rule applys to you.

[theaustinkid2]

thats not what ur mom said

[erickinartesian]

HAHAhAHAHAH U got fuken Treated hahahahaahaha NICE

BreannaBanana30 - Nice

[hawkbamf]

completley legal

[lseeto123456789]

illegal!

when ever starting on the plate u must have 2 feet on the plate to start of with. and u must always keep one foot on the ground at all times

[Softchick24]

I've played @ those fields b-4 and they stink.... I have also had the girl umps plenty of times!

[bluegold05]

Illegal in ASA.

[waveridersd]

illegal

[horsecraz0024]

well form this view you cannot tell the blue was concerned with her taking a step back with her left foot most likely. If her left foot came off the rubber then yes it was an illegal pitch, but if it didn't then it was not.

[Blu4U2day]

Addendum - Just like a good Coach, it takes a good Umpire to educate Players (and Coaches)on the rules that are sometimes over-looked. This way, everyone will be ready when it comes to tournament time!

[Blu4U2day]

This is called by the Plate Umpire, unless this was a Rec League that had a Senior Umpire supervising a Junior or realatively new Umpire. He would discuss this "meeting" during the inning break (preferrably two innings later) or after the game with the Junior Umpire and the Coaches. This way, the flow of the game is not interrupted. End of Part 2 of 2

[Blu4U2day]

Rocking or sliding on the rubber is not illegal as long as contact is maintained. Some High School rules allow a step-back off of the rubber. ASA does not. Watching the Umpire, he seemed to notice the slide and seemed to be more concerned that the Pitcher was staying in the Pitching Lane (24"). End Part 1 of 2

[MsJoeJonas1516515151]

yes

[hayblue1]

Another problem is the base umpire called that. The hands are responsibilty of the plate and the feet are the base. He made a call that was not his to make.

If a UIC saw that he would be in the office as soon as his game was over. That's a big NO-NO.

[hayblue1]

I don't call HS so I don't know for sure but in associations where there is the 1 second rule it is when the the hands come together. "Presentation" is not in the ASA/NCAA rule books. It's just a term someone came up with to describe having the hands seperated when the pitcher steps on the rubber. There is no minimum required amount of time to "present" the ball.

The rule book does not allow quick pitches that catch the batter off guard. You can't step on and fire away.

[bigdannydh]

the ball slip out her hand

[chymechowder]

In the mens league I umpire, if a batter chooses to swing at an illegal pitch, there's no penalty resulting penalty to the defense. Is that not the case in girls highschool? it seems odd that a batter can ground out, then be given a second chance b/c the pitch was illegal. did the ump make a mistake here?

[GRuf1f]

The defense can not gain an advantage on an illegal pitch. The offense can. A Home Run would stand, an out gets a redo.

[tjjunior1]

COACHES OPTION

[hayblue1]

Are you calling slow or fast? In slow you r right. In fast the offense gets the choice of the result of the play or the penalty. Ball to the batter and award One base to any runners on base. Kind of like a balk in baseball.

[daltoncooler]

@chymechowder In ASA and NFHS rules, an illegal pitch is a delayed dead ball. Once a play has been made on the batter runner or the play ends, the coach has the option to enforce the illegal pitch or take the result of the play. So if the illegal pitch is enforced, all runners advance one base and the pitch is now a ball on the batter's count.

[weluvselenagomez14]

u have 2 present the ball to ur glove and hold it 4 atleast one second or its an illegal pitch and i dont no i can can bring ur front foot back on the rubber when pitching

[stuntedcards]

who cares if it was a illegal pitch they just look hot in them tight shorts LOL

[bagpiper2005]

Presenting the ball?!?!?!?!?

That umpire has no flipping clue what he's talking about. The ball can be in EITHER THE GLOVE OR BARE HAND. However, the hands must be separated when the pitcher steps on the rubber, and must simulate taking a signal from the catcher with the hands separated, then must bring her hands together and keep them together for at least one second.

However, the pitch was indeed illegal since she did not maintain contact with the pitching plate.

[pattymelt1]

That's basically what Monica Abbott does. I wouldn't be surprised if that's where she got it from.

[theamericancompanion]

It looks highly likely that she is not maintaining contact with the pitching rubber, while rocking back during her pitching motion.

[fastpitchstar18]

your foot CAN be off the rubber when you pitch you just cant take it off the gound until after you release the ball. dragging is ok.

[titans08]

her foot was all off the rubber when she was pitching.

illegal.

[sportsmom1973]

In NFHS and ASA she would be illegal due to the fact that her pivot foot loses contact with the rubber prior to the forward delivery of the pitch.

[NunquamDormio]

also,determining the velocity of the throw and wieght she obviously has ,the ball has to be relased and at earlier timing or somewhat try the vaugely used underhand throw that show make a comback.my TWO CENTS