There is no doubt that Christianity and islam have really F**ked Africa up.
These 2 religions are an abomination on the world but it is in Africa where they both will eventually die.
When Africa rises again and shows its true spirituality, culture and power, the whole continent will flourish and will eventually give birth to a new democracy that will spread across the whole world.
Not really, religion is to blame for that as well. I mean, why bother saving the trees or the whales or the environment when God is about to destroy human civilization anyway....and then Jesus will plant all the trees again, yadda yadda yadda.
Granted, I don't see the point of all these Christians amassing wealth if they honestly think that the world is ending....
>"You have made up things about religion to prove your point."
No. Google "Reconstructionism" and "Kingdom of Dominion"...or even better "Millennialism". There are theists who not only look forward to the apocalypse.... they want to bring it about.
>"You are referring to pagans,not monotheists who give charity."
First off...charity has nothing to do with this. Second...I didn't say anything about pagans. I've never met a pagan doomsday cultist. Just Xtian/Muslim ones.
@LordCustos3 I referred to religion, not what people do. Make this one point clear, that I will not accept religion as a term referring to what people do in a sense of their beliefs. Quran 6:116 is a reference to such people. The books of the god are reference to religion.
Charity has everything to do with the this, it's just that I would need to explain it to you, before you would accept it. Charity, is the opposite of greedy unconsiderate corporatism/consumerism.
No. No, we are not going to play equivocation word games with the word "charity" until we're done dealing with your equivocation word games with the word "pagan."
Or even better, lets stick to the real subject: You asserted (based on nothing but your own prejudice) that "secularism" is killing the world. I countered that fundamentalists were doing even more. You tried to blame it on uncharitable "pagans". Let's get back to your baseless assertion about "secularism".
>"Very well, if you wish that I slow down for you."
I'm not asking you to 'slow down', I'm demanding you to back up your crazy assertions and stop changing the subject when you are cornered.
>"80% of all suicide bombers come from secular backgrounds."
Either you are pulling stats from your ass or you are using a definition of "secular" that is so broad it could apply to every molecule in the universe.
@LordCustos3 You're demanding me to do your research work? There's a tool called a search engine, all you have to do is take specific key words from what I wrote below and search them. If have done some study you would realise that we live in a secularised age, and all the troubles we face is down to secularism. Let's have a look at consumption, according to religion, it must be done in the god's name. But today we see consumerism in the names of corporations.
>"If have done some study you would realise that we live in a secularised age"
Get off your pedestal, you condescending prick.
If we had to choose between "Consumerism" and "Fundamentalism" (Yeah, Suuuure, let's PRETEND that these are the ONLY two choices, and PRETEND they are opposites....in the same field) I'd choose greedheads over doomsday cultists. But in a SANE conversation, we would stop pretending that Capitalists and Fundies are on different teams with opposing purposes.
@LordCustos3 My condescending nature is learnt from secular influences which I saw on the TV early in the day. Either way, you have not read up on the effects of a secular society as compared to a religious one. It is you who referenced doomsday cultist, it is I who made clear that consumers consume and poop. I didn't provide you with something to turn to as a solution to your problems, don't assume that I did. And don't assume that capital based economics came from the irreligious.
@LordCustos3 In the end, everything good comes from religion, but when irreligious influences are put upon anything... those things become horrendous for all.
>"In the end, everything good comes from religion"
Jihads. Crusades. Human Sacrifice. Genital Mutilation. Unpunishable Pedophile Priests. All human progress grinds to a halt when theocracies take over.
Y'know what. You are either too brainwashed to be reached with facts....or you don't actually believe any of this nonsense are trolling me for the lulz.
Either way. We are done here. I'll not waste any more time responding to your unsupported propagandistic horseshit.
You airily talk about consumption (meaning western) as the doomsday signal of the world, yet most Middle Eastern (muslim) countries are littered with all manner of conspicuous bling, and it is no more evident than in the home of islam, Saudi Arabia.
From Mecca to the deep desert, there are village idiots with oil money traipsing around looking like whores who have just married a millionaire.
And all this in a country who can't even provide the city of Jeddah with sewers!
@throbule There was no reference to western consumption other than secular consumption. Almost all of those so called countries inhabited by a majority muslim population exhibit secular rule. Interesting, you state such a thing as "home of islam" as if islam was rooted to a locale. Islam rooted to the quran. Saudi Arabia is rooted to the Al Saud family. You can google "origin of saudi family" and read the first link from the assata shakur forums.
Consumption is consumption. A rose by any other name is still a rose.
Of course islam is rooted to a locale, and it is mecca, where it was first invented.
If it is not, then why face it when you pray?
And why is it so important to do Hadj?
You are a perfect example that education and intelligence are not related, because you use obfuscation in a feeble and vexatious attempt to cloud the real issue.
At best you are just an obscurantist, and at worst, you are a common liar.
@throbule Consumption of one form is not the same as another.
No... islam is not located in locale, because the religion did not start with the meccans. The meccans were an even worse bunch of pagan louts during the prophet's early years.
The kabba is a qibla. The hajjj is not for the house of saud. Did you research up on them?
@LordCustos3 Your christian references to doomsayers has no reference to people who would wish to live it quick and have it now. Those who like to live it in the fast lane are more likely to have no concern for their environment. Our reference is not to those who are on the outside of society, but those on top and running it. These such people are 100% secularised.
>"Your christian references to doomsayers has no reference to people who would wish to live it quick and have it now."
Mohammed Atta wanted to get his 72 Virgins right now. That's why he crashed a plane into a building. He wasn't "secular" by any sane persons standards.
@LordCustos3 He was very secular according to the reports. But it's interesting that you believe the official line. Tell me, does the IRS not provide proof of secularism being defunct?
@faro0485 how on earth does irreligion & secularism ruin ecolocy & economy? If anything they seem to improve it. Look at sweeden, japan, denmark and norway. Overwhelmingly distant from religion in those contries. and above all, overly secular in comparison to the USA or Turkey, bot of wich are too religious and backwards. guess what, all of them seem to be doing better than the USA or Turkey.
Secularism and Irreligion ruin nothing but the chances of religiously motivated mass killing events.
@BlackMetalWarewolf Secular countries suffer from their own quaint problems. One such is the inability to lead the world or to stop oppressive companies that monopolise markets and drive society towards their own social engineering goals. Turkey is ruled by a secular post ww1 imperial British proxy. The US is run by pseudo-christian (actual murky families and organised lobbies) entities. A truely religious society can only be found no sooner than the early muslim civilization.
@faro0485 I cant formulate a good argument in under 500 charicters, discussing secularism demands more detail than 500 charicters per statement. plus judging from your other commments you're biased as hell so anything i say is likely gonna be met with m00t points. coincidentally its pretty much what you've done to me just now.
But what if i compared Japan with early islamic countries? Technology & science are good intrinsic metrics of a country's success and japan is more secular.
I suppose you think that quoting quranic text makes you sound intelligent, and therefore somehow right?
Its a shame that more human beings don't use their own brain to comment instead of spouting irrelevant words from the devalued scribblings of a half wit.
You have to remember that the quran (like the bible), is simply the fantasy imaginings of people who claimed they heard the word of a 'god'.
You would have to have a heart of stone not to laugh.
@throbule Do not dare tell me what I can and cannot quote. Do you tell all people to leave if you are too intolerant to hear their views? You have to remember, that your thoughts are part of your imagination, and all the words that come from your mind are from your imagination. The question is... is your imagination you?
I didn't say what you could or couldn't quote, but you really ought to have your feeble brain in gear before you engage your empty mouth.
I suppose its too much to expect a muslim to respond with logic - you people are fatally lamed because you follow the idiot bastard mohammed so you're attempting to run the impossible with only one leg.
Can't be done, but I applaud your vain persistance in trying.
Yes, I suppose you're right - secularism and irreligion must be the work of beelzebub, wouldn't you say?
It seems to be much more fun to bomb your own mosques, devise new reasons to stone people, amputate limbs, molest children, kill gays, terrorise and kill innocent people and generally make a mockery of all that is human
Ecolology sucks anyway - but not as much as empty muslim mouths.
Unlike the invented fantasy that is religion, secularism and irreligion don't come from anywhere - they just are.
And they don't change the human condition, they are an inherent part of it, whereas religion, by its very nature, demands that humans change their lives to suit its deluded and draconian laws.
And muslims are the biggest puppets.
But what is really interesting is that you don't respond to the remainder of my comment.
Unlike others who watch a few videos on youtube, one or two articles in the american media and think they know about sudan and its problems, I actually visit the country every year. My opinion is based on FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE, not distorted facts and religious rhetoric. Please provide evidence backing up your claims, and I assure you that I will direct you to proper sources of information to refute false so called 'documented facts'
bull, this video is full of lies, slavery in sudan doesnt exist. Southerns want to be in the north, even today, they dont want to leave khartoum. This is the worst video, no facts, just missionaries trying to make every muslim country look like its repressive.
yeah but dont blame people for things that never happened. There are no slaves in sudan.......yet it's presented as fact! One thing that u'll never be told, THE SOUTH STARTED BOTH WARS! When the bashir government signed the peace agreement, they had control over the whole south and all the oil....they didnt need to sign it. Southerners in the north want to stay there, they dont want to back. Yet they portray us as repressive arabs to other africans, and as islamic jihadists in the west!
international community won't do anything about this because all they care about is the oil in sudan but if i had my way and if i was in charge sudan would no longer be able to sell their oil on the global market or even any commodity for that matter until the genocide stops what do you think is paying for most of the sudanese governments weapons allowing them to terrorize their own people i'm sure the sudanese government is funding muslim terrorist groups in other countries abroad as well
@stevievandokken There are no slaves or genocide in sudan.......yet it's presented as fact! One thing that u'll never be told, THE SOUTH STARTED BOTH WARS! When the bashir government signed the peace agreement, they had control over the whole south and all the oil....they didnt need to sign it. Southerners in the north want to stay there, they dont want to back. Yet they portray us as repressive arabs to other africans, and as islamic jihadists in the west!
religion of peace....ha
ThomasRowsell 6 months ago
Feed the muslims to the crocodiles.
garychldress74 7 months ago 2
@garychldress74
and poison the poor crocodiles NO WAY!!
karthikbans 6 months ago
One of the few reasons why I am a proud Satanist....
NverEnoughDeathMetal 1 year ago
There is no doubt that Christianity and islam have really F**ked Africa up.
These 2 religions are an abomination on the world but it is in Africa where they both will eventually die.
When Africa rises again and shows its true spirituality, culture and power, the whole continent will flourish and will eventually give birth to a new democracy that will spread across the whole world.
I can't wait for that day to come.
throbule 1 year ago
@throbule And while in the meanwhile, secularism and irreligion is ruining the rest of the planet in both ecological and economical ways.
faro0485 1 year ago
@faro0485
Not really, religion is to blame for that as well. I mean, why bother saving the trees or the whales or the environment when God is about to destroy human civilization anyway....and then Jesus will plant all the trees again, yadda yadda yadda.
Granted, I don't see the point of all these Christians amassing wealth if they honestly think that the world is ending....
LordCustos3 1 year ago
@LordCustos3 You have made up things about religion to prove your point. You are referring to pagans,not monotheists who give charity.
faro0485 1 year ago
@faro0485
>"You have made up things about religion to prove your point."
No. Google "Reconstructionism" and "Kingdom of Dominion"...or even better "Millennialism". There are theists who not only look forward to the apocalypse.... they want to bring it about.
>"You are referring to pagans,not monotheists who give charity."
First off...charity has nothing to do with this. Second...I didn't say anything about pagans. I've never met a pagan doomsday cultist. Just Xtian/Muslim ones.
LordCustos3 1 year ago
@LordCustos3 I referred to religion, not what people do. Make this one point clear, that I will not accept religion as a term referring to what people do in a sense of their beliefs. Quran 6:116 is a reference to such people. The books of the god are reference to religion.
Charity has everything to do with the this, it's just that I would need to explain it to you, before you would accept it. Charity, is the opposite of greedy unconsiderate corporatism/consumerism.
faro0485 1 year ago
@faro0485
No. No, we are not going to play equivocation word games with the word "charity" until we're done dealing with your equivocation word games with the word "pagan."
Or even better, lets stick to the real subject: You asserted (based on nothing but your own prejudice) that "secularism" is killing the world. I countered that fundamentalists were doing even more. You tried to blame it on uncharitable "pagans". Let's get back to your baseless assertion about "secularism".
LordCustos3 1 year ago
@LordCustos3 Go back? Very well, if you wish that I slow down for you. Secularism... 80% of all suicide bombers come from secular backgrounds.
faro0485 1 year ago
@faro0485
>"Very well, if you wish that I slow down for you."
I'm not asking you to 'slow down', I'm demanding you to back up your crazy assertions and stop changing the subject when you are cornered.
>"80% of all suicide bombers come from secular backgrounds."
Either you are pulling stats from your ass or you are using a definition of "secular" that is so broad it could apply to every molecule in the universe.
LordCustos3 1 year ago
@LordCustos3 You're demanding me to do your research work? There's a tool called a search engine, all you have to do is take specific key words from what I wrote below and search them. If have done some study you would realise that we live in a secularised age, and all the troubles we face is down to secularism. Let's have a look at consumption, according to religion, it must be done in the god's name. But today we see consumerism in the names of corporations.
faro0485 1 year ago
@faro0485
>"If have done some study you would realise that we live in a secularised age"
Get off your pedestal, you condescending prick.
If we had to choose between "Consumerism" and "Fundamentalism" (Yeah, Suuuure, let's PRETEND that these are the ONLY two choices, and PRETEND they are opposites....in the same field) I'd choose greedheads over doomsday cultists. But in a SANE conversation, we would stop pretending that Capitalists and Fundies are on different teams with opposing purposes.
LordCustos3 1 year ago
@LordCustos3 My condescending nature is learnt from secular influences which I saw on the TV early in the day. Either way, you have not read up on the effects of a secular society as compared to a religious one. It is you who referenced doomsday cultist, it is I who made clear that consumers consume and poop. I didn't provide you with something to turn to as a solution to your problems, don't assume that I did. And don't assume that capital based economics came from the irreligious.
faro0485 1 year ago
@LordCustos3 In the end, everything good comes from religion, but when irreligious influences are put upon anything... those things become horrendous for all.
faro0485 1 year ago
@faro0485
>"In the end, everything good comes from religion"
Jihads. Crusades. Human Sacrifice. Genital Mutilation. Unpunishable Pedophile Priests. All human progress grinds to a halt when theocracies take over.
Y'know what. You are either too brainwashed to be reached with facts....or you don't actually believe any of this nonsense are trolling me for the lulz.
Either way. We are done here. I'll not waste any more time responding to your unsupported propagandistic horseshit.
LordCustos3 1 year ago
@LordCustos3 Tell me something, when you youtube "irs", are most of the videos blocked on your side?
faro0485 1 year ago
@LordCustos3:
Love the way you use words - powerful, to the point, realistic and true!
Peace....
throbule 1 year ago
@faro0485:
You airily talk about consumption (meaning western) as the doomsday signal of the world, yet most Middle Eastern (muslim) countries are littered with all manner of conspicuous bling, and it is no more evident than in the home of islam, Saudi Arabia.
From Mecca to the deep desert, there are village idiots with oil money traipsing around looking like whores who have just married a millionaire.
And all this in a country who can't even provide the city of Jeddah with sewers!
Priceless.
throbule 1 year ago
@throbule There was no reference to western consumption other than secular consumption. Almost all of those so called countries inhabited by a majority muslim population exhibit secular rule. Interesting, you state such a thing as "home of islam" as if islam was rooted to a locale. Islam rooted to the quran. Saudi Arabia is rooted to the Al Saud family. You can google "origin of saudi family" and read the first link from the assata shakur forums.
faro0485 1 year ago
@faro0485:
Consumption is consumption. A rose by any other name is still a rose.
Of course islam is rooted to a locale, and it is mecca, where it was first invented.
If it is not, then why face it when you pray?
And why is it so important to do Hadj?
You are a perfect example that education and intelligence are not related, because you use obfuscation in a feeble and vexatious attempt to cloud the real issue.
At best you are just an obscurantist, and at worst, you are a common liar.
throbule 1 year ago
@throbule Consumption of one form is not the same as another.
No... islam is not located in locale, because the religion did not start with the meccans. The meccans were an even worse bunch of pagan louts during the prophet's early years.
The kabba is a qibla. The hajjj is not for the house of saud. Did you research up on them?
Believe what you must, that is your upbringing.
faro0485 1 year ago
@LordCustos3 Your christian references to doomsayers has no reference to people who would wish to live it quick and have it now. Those who like to live it in the fast lane are more likely to have no concern for their environment. Our reference is not to those who are on the outside of society, but those on top and running it. These such people are 100% secularised.
faro0485 1 year ago
@faro0485
>"Your christian references to doomsayers has no reference to people who would wish to live it quick and have it now."
Mohammed Atta wanted to get his 72 Virgins right now. That's why he crashed a plane into a building. He wasn't "secular" by any sane persons standards.
LordCustos3 1 year ago
@LordCustos3 He was very secular according to the reports. But it's interesting that you believe the official line. Tell me, does the IRS not provide proof of secularism being defunct?
faro0485 1 year ago
@faro0485 how on earth does irreligion & secularism ruin ecolocy & economy? If anything they seem to improve it. Look at sweeden, japan, denmark and norway. Overwhelmingly distant from religion in those contries. and above all, overly secular in comparison to the USA or Turkey, bot of wich are too religious and backwards. guess what, all of them seem to be doing better than the USA or Turkey.
Secularism and Irreligion ruin nothing but the chances of religiously motivated mass killing events.
BlackMetalWarewolf 1 year ago
@BlackMetalWarewolf Secular countries suffer from their own quaint problems. One such is the inability to lead the world or to stop oppressive companies that monopolise markets and drive society towards their own social engineering goals. Turkey is ruled by a secular post ww1 imperial British proxy. The US is run by pseudo-christian (actual murky families and organised lobbies) entities. A truely religious society can only be found no sooner than the early muslim civilization.
faro0485 1 year ago
@faro0485 I cant formulate a good argument in under 500 charicters, discussing secularism demands more detail than 500 charicters per statement. plus judging from your other commments you're biased as hell so anything i say is likely gonna be met with m00t points. coincidentally its pretty much what you've done to me just now.
But what if i compared Japan with early islamic countries? Technology & science are good intrinsic metrics of a country's success and japan is more secular.
BlackMetalWarewolf 1 year ago
@faro0485:
How long have you known that your brain and your asshole were switched at birth?
throbule 1 year ago
@throbule quran 25:63 " And the servants of the Almighty who walk on the Earth in humility and if the ignorant speak to them, they Say: "Peace."
Peace 2 u n ur brain
faro0485 1 year ago
@faro0485:
I suppose you think that quoting quranic text makes you sound intelligent, and therefore somehow right?
Its a shame that more human beings don't use their own brain to comment instead of spouting irrelevant words from the devalued scribblings of a half wit.
You have to remember that the quran (like the bible), is simply the fantasy imaginings of people who claimed they heard the word of a 'god'.
You would have to have a heart of stone not to laugh.
Begone you trog.
throbule 1 year ago
@throbule Do not dare tell me what I can and cannot quote. Do you tell all people to leave if you are too intolerant to hear their views? You have to remember, that your thoughts are part of your imagination, and all the words that come from your mind are from your imagination. The question is... is your imagination you?
faro0485 1 year ago
@faro0485:
I didn't say what you could or couldn't quote, but you really ought to have your feeble brain in gear before you engage your empty mouth.
I suppose its too much to expect a muslim to respond with logic - you people are fatally lamed because you follow the idiot bastard mohammed so you're attempting to run the impossible with only one leg.
Can't be done, but I applaud your vain persistance in trying.
throbule 1 year ago
@throbule I disregard your utterances in a nice manner as according to quran 73:10
faro0485 1 year ago
@faro0485:
Yes, I suppose you're right - secularism and irreligion must be the work of beelzebub, wouldn't you say?
It seems to be much more fun to bomb your own mosques, devise new reasons to stone people, amputate limbs, molest children, kill gays, terrorise and kill innocent people and generally make a mockery of all that is human
Ecolology sucks anyway - but not as much as empty muslim mouths.
throbule 1 year ago
@throbule No one here is referring to where secularism and irreligion came from.
faro0485 1 year ago
@faro0485:
Unlike the invented fantasy that is religion, secularism and irreligion don't come from anywhere - they just are.
And they don't change the human condition, they are an inherent part of it, whereas religion, by its very nature, demands that humans change their lives to suit its deluded and draconian laws.
And muslims are the biggest puppets.
But what is really interesting is that you don't respond to the remainder of my comment.
Is that one leg of yours defeating you again?
throbule 1 year ago
@throbule One leg? How did you know I'm suffering from an ankle injury?
faro0485 1 year ago
@faro0485:
I didn't, but it will match your brain injury nicely.
throbule 1 year ago
@throbule I disregard your utterance as according to quran 73:10
faro0485 1 year ago
@faro0485:
You see? I knew you were just another mohammeden robot.
The fact is that you have nothing much to say, but you still insist upon saying it.
With the boring predictability of most muslims, you run when cornered, and in the absence of intelligent debate, you make do with silly platitudes.
Real men use their own words and intelligence to counter a debatable claim.
Only wimps hide behind the words of congenital religious idiots.
throbule 1 year ago
@throbule I disregard your utterance nicely according to quran 73:10, do you have anything specific to say?
faro0485 1 year ago
@faro0485:
Yes I have - I'm glad you know that you have been beaten.
throbule 1 year ago
@throbule On no the baby beat me.
faro0485 1 year ago
Unlike others who watch a few videos on youtube, one or two articles in the american media and think they know about sudan and its problems, I actually visit the country every year. My opinion is based on FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE, not distorted facts and religious rhetoric. Please provide evidence backing up your claims, and I assure you that I will direct you to proper sources of information to refute false so called 'documented facts'
ilovesudan 1 year ago
bull, this video is full of lies, slavery in sudan doesnt exist. Southerns want to be in the north, even today, they dont want to leave khartoum. This is the worst video, no facts, just missionaries trying to make every muslim country look like its repressive.
ilovesudan 1 year ago
@ilovesudan regardless, whats going on is a little but um, fucked up wouldnt you say?
BlackMetalWarewolf 1 year ago
yeah but dont blame people for things that never happened. There are no slaves in sudan.......yet it's presented as fact! One thing that u'll never be told, THE SOUTH STARTED BOTH WARS! When the bashir government signed the peace agreement, they had control over the whole south and all the oil....they didnt need to sign it. Southerners in the north want to stay there, they dont want to back. Yet they portray us as repressive arabs to other africans, and as islamic jihadists in the west!
ilovesudan 1 year ago
@BlackMetalWarewolf It's actually the standard same same in a region where natural resources are desired by a third party.
faro0485 1 year ago
@ilovesudan:Slavery exists all over Sudan, and its the muslims in the North that enslave the christians of the South in vast numbers.
Almost all the sountherners I have spoken to want to stay south and get rid of the murdering Khartoum Government from their lands.
It is very foolish and dangerous of you say otherwise because it is lies.
Long live South Sudan and more power to jUBA!!!
throbule 1 year ago
international community won't do anything about this because all they care about is the oil in sudan but if i had my way and if i was in charge sudan would no longer be able to sell their oil on the global market or even any commodity for that matter until the genocide stops what do you think is paying for most of the sudanese governments weapons allowing them to terrorize their own people i'm sure the sudanese government is funding muslim terrorist groups in other countries abroad as well
stevievandokken 1 year ago
@stevievandokken There are no slaves or genocide in sudan.......yet it's presented as fact! One thing that u'll never be told, THE SOUTH STARTED BOTH WARS! When the bashir government signed the peace agreement, they had control over the whole south and all the oil....they didnt need to sign it. Southerners in the north want to stay there, they dont want to back. Yet they portray us as repressive arabs to other africans, and as islamic jihadists in the west!
ilovesudan 1 year ago
@ilovesudan
That's some bold assertions. Care to back it up with evidence?
The vid itself shows actual events, care to give us an explanation for what we are seeing here?
LordCustos3 1 year ago
@ilovesudan what liar!
Your fucked up religion even ruined my beloved Iran!
Lying scum!
FreeIranStopIslam1 1 year ago 2