good job canadian coast guard i came from madgalen island and all the crew member into the farley mowat are simply fucker there are all a fucking shit and they can die
Notice how they dont show the Warnings the Coast Guard says before the guy starts talking... at 2:45.... its just so stupid. Coast Guard are not Pirates. if the sea Spepard people are not... then why do they have a Pirate flag. and ram ships, sunk atleast ten. Lost its Registration more then once. and is now costing money to be tied at a pier all day everyday.... also funny.. if the Farley Mowat broke down right then.. who do you think would have came to the call? the Canadian Coast Guard....
RE:"The seal hunt in newfoundland canada is a financial loss...." Yes, its a shame its so expensive for Cdns to have the CCG out there protecting our citizens from wealthy charlatans and criminals aboard concrete-bowed trawlers. On loose ice. Routinely. For harvesting, humanely, a species not on any endangered list. WhistleBlowers:The CCG is right there!
Observers: 'bit odd,but fine.And while doing it, try respecting our laws/lives, rather than riding the ragged edge of their letter/disaster.
The coast guard would have been out there anyways dumbass. That area is a very very busy shipping area. There is an assumption that if the Seal industry stopped this shipped would be layed up - not the case. The CCGS would have been out there regardless
Im pro sealing but i second that... DFO is ridiculous..how can someone based on the mainland in a city understand whats best for our location and ocean...Hey you also a fine example of that hmmmmm
your a loon.. Cods MAIN DIET is the species you say eat them, caplin herring mackrel squid crab and anything eles they can fit in their mouth....for one thing a full grown caplin is FIVE INCHES LONG THE MAIN FOOD OF THE COD...Have you seen a lump fish lol its a sucker fish 12 inches long....you sir are a liar of the worst kind ..preying on peoples ignorance of the sea , stating lunacy as facts...only 4 things hunt spawing size cod SEALS SHARK HALIBUT AND MAN,seals eat Cods food AND COD
protected the cod???? the seals eat something like their own body weight in cod..and only the stomaches!! the cod fishery is crap because of that! and the fact that they were over fished. please ( with actual facts ) explain how the seal "protected" the cod..that makes no sence..that is the most rediculus stament I have ever heard almost as rediculus as sea shepard it's self.
fuck peta fuck sea shepard fuck all of it..they wont listen to anyone elses side of things and yet ram their side down our throats..fuck it all! nuke the fucking seals! and take the whales with em!
representing you have to understand that canucktunes has a point. You see very choice video that may look to you that the seal is alive. I have skinned animals in my younger years and they will move for a bit after death occurs. I witnessed one seal being skinned up close not on video and I can tell that seal was dead but continued to move a bit. Most of the seals are shot but some use the club method This actually a more precise way to kill and has less likely hood of not killing on first blow
Well I think we are just going to have to agree to disagree on this, I just believe that killing is inhumane and I have apologize because I proberly didn't make that clear enough, so if think diffrently I won't stop you from doing so, but all this has turned into is a debate that won't get either of us anywhere because I believe that people shouldn't kill anything and you obvesly disagree, I won't hold any grudes if you don't. Same goes for you canucktunes.
representingss, Newfoundlanders live off the sea. Their diets consists mostly of fish and seafood. They import most of the corn, rice and wheat they consume and it would cost significantly more for them to go vegetarian. It just isn't viable and they use the funds they get from the sale of seal to eat. They also eat seal. It is inhumane to demand vegetarianism. It is only viable in St. John's and it's still quite expensive there as well.
I hardley think that inhumane is the right word for it canucktunes, expensive would be closer I think, but life is worth more then all the money in the world.
Starvation is inhumane and you're proposing that we remove their source for food and money. Based on what ? Emotional appears devoid of logic and science. To what ends ? These organizations know this hunt will never end. It's a cash cow for them and they can claim whatever they want because there are plenty of impressionable minds to manipulate out there. Norway, Greenland, Russia and China are not in the EU and they're the major importers. Seal will continue to be consumed and culled.
Yeah now that you mention them "GO PETA!" Have you read the bio of that guy? It's heaps good. Anyway I don't starve and I'm a vego, I believe that one day in the future humans will look back in discust at the humans who eat meat as we now look upone cannibals. I am not the only one who has this view some of the greats on history such as leonardo de vinci and albert eistien, who people say were ahead of there time.
Used to support Peta but they changed in the 90's. As a moderate, non vegetarian I can't support it. They condemn pets, companion animals, seeing eye dogs and protest actions they themselves perform (euthanasia). They funded a known ALF terrorist's legal fund and harass and threaten people. I just don't find them ethical anymore.
Canucktunes, you must be kidding me right! How can you say such misleading things, then give me directions to a link which proves that what you say is incorrect!!!
I know what Peta's stance is but decided to follow your instructions to see what it led too. Please see my next posting for the exact quote from PETA themselves.
What do you mean "misleading" ? You've quoted the last paragraph of the very statement i'm talking about. And links don't work in the comments here on Youtube.
'link' refers to the directions you gave me to do a google search, which led me to a link that i then followed!
'Misleading' refers to your previous posting where you made a blanket statement about PETA's stand on animal companionship. In PETA's own words, they DO NOT say this at all. They directly say that they do believe in responsible animal companionship - which means that your previous post is misleading.
It isn't a blanket statement. PETA claims to accept companion animals only with a list of conditions, some of which are quite unreasonable. I am not alone in seeing this. Haven't you seen the "Bull Sh*t" episode on these people ?
'These people' as you refer to PETA, implies to me that you likley have a black and white view on them, and there is probably no point in us discussing the issue. We will have to agree to disagree on what constitutes their views on animal companionship.
I had once supported PETA for their actions against cruelty to animals. This mandate was extended by militants who wanted to enforce their vegan and vegetarian lifestyle on everyone and they lost my support. And by militant, I mean "those people" that harassed and threatened people, performed acts of vandalism and supported the ALF. Now it's just one idiotic stunt after the other, some of which are degrading to women, and guilt trips by emphasis on the remote cases of abuse. No thanks.
My only point with this whole thing is related to your original comment about PETA's views on companion animals. I get that you have an ideological difference of opinion with them, I'm cool with that. We will just have to agree to disagree!
We definitely agree on some points. That the pound should be your first stop for pets, that declawing is unnecessary (catnip scratch posts and deterrent spray is better), spaying/neutering is important, and socializing by having at least two pets is preferable.
'Contrary to myth, PETA does not want to confiscate animals who are well cared for and "set them free." What we want is for the population of dogs and cats to be reduced through spaying and neutering and for people to adopt animals (preferably two so that they can keep each other company when their human companions aren't home) from pounds or shelters—never from pet shops or breeders—thereby reducing suffering in the world.'
PETA claim to like companion animals but in the same statement say they shouldn't be bred for that purpose, at all. They also complain about dog owners telling their pet to get off the furniture or to stop barking ; "Their lives are restricted to human homes where they must obey commands and can only eat, drink, and even urinate when humans allow them to."
They were a duch ship in international waters and all they were doing was taking photo's, which last time I checked wasn't againest international law. The Canadain govenment claims that the SSCS was in canadain water but the SSCS has records that prove they wern't so we will see who was breaking the law after the cort case.
I can't believe sealers can be considered "honorable" when they don't do what they are supposed to do; i.e. killing the seals humanely, fast, and allowing to completely bleed before they can skinned. I have seen appalling pictures and videos of slowly-and-painfully-dying seals, or when those poor creatures are skinned alive!! What a waste of money for Canadian taxpayers (fuel cost is very high now and seal pelts prices are low). The European Union will soon ban seal products.
They do kill them humanely according to the European Food Safety Authority. It's just that these donation hungry organizations would rather say they don't, to keep the donations coming.
They kill baby seals humanely? Yeah, right! Who are you trying to make a fool of? How humane is to destroy God's creation! Let nature or global warming kill the seals, but not an unnecessary massacre! What a waste of money for Canadian taxpayers. Do you know how much money in lost revenue the seal hunt is causing the Canadian economy? It's a dangerous occupation too! How about the unnecessary and unfortunate death of sealers from Iles de la Madelaine because their boat capsized?
Well, then why did the EFSA come to that conclusion ? Why didn't IFAW find a larger figure that 42% ? You're acting like it's impossible to kill a baby seal humanely simply because it's a baby. Veal and spring lamb are also killed for food.
I question the integrity of any organization that ignores their own experts. So will the WTO because this decision would be in clear violation of several international trade laws.
I am a vegetarian so no I do not belive that it is If ok to kill all of the mentioned above. I belive all life is equal, I know all of the stuff that is done to farm animals and I don't support it at all. Some people belive you need meat for your health, that's there choice and this is mine.
Most humans have also made a choice. To eat meat and wear animal skin. That is their choice. Do lions have a choice or sharks? I'm sure you agree that they do not. Why is it then that we can put Disney values on certain animals that we see as cute and cuddly but other animals are not perceived the same way When the sealers take a seal it will suffer far less than when a shark takes it It is very common for some species of shark to take one bite of a seal and leave it to die without consuming it
Hang on I thought we were the most intellegent creature on earth or at least one of them. You may choose to eat anumals and were there skin I don't. I can live without meat I'm no weaker then any of my friends who do. I make a chioce you make a chioce and everyone else makes one as well. This is mine. I would put votage of any animal getting killed if I had it, I don't believe that how they look matters.
I suppose I do know what you mean though people seem to have that habbit of saying stuff like "oh those poor seals" while there eating a beef burger. It is unfair when people who do that have a go about people killing seals, whales ect ect. But as I said before I choose diffrently.
Well kid, do you eat chicken ? Did you know that male baby chicks are routinely shredded alive after being sexed, for feed for other animals ? How about veal or spring lamb ? Those baby cows and baby lambs are slaughtered as well. Aren't they cute enough ? You simply don't have enough information to debate this.
Whether you eat meat or not, the experts have spoken in regards to the theory that seals suffer in the process ; They don't. This theory is simply mentioned by protesters to obtain funds from people who eat meat. If you are in a position to become vegetarian then it is your choice but it is not viable in many areas, especially now that the price of rice and wheat has skyrocketed and corn is being diverted to biodiesel. Seal is a local source of food for Newfoundlanders.
Really they've done tests to sea if they suffer? How? Did they get a massive club and bash themselves over the head? Or did they simply ask the seal "Did that hurt just then when I smacked you over the head?" When the seal didn't answer they took that as a no.
HAHAHA Your kidding me? You think that they can determine whether or not a seal went through pain when it was smacked over the head with a club, by a postmortem? I wonder how much the Canadian government paid the scientists to reach that conclusion.
BTW, why are you assuming they were paid by the Canadian government ? The first studies were by independent veterinarians and the recent dismissal of IFAW's study was performed by the European Food Safety Authority, under the EU government.
Um I dunno so it makes it easier for people like you to say that it's alright. I can see that there is no convincing you that the seals get harmed when they are bashed over the head, but what about the baby seal that was skinned alive? I don't think it's ok whether it hurts them or not, because killing a baby or any creature is inhumane whether it hurts or not. My believe is all life is equal I don't expect you to take it on it's just my believe and I am viocing it.
Why must you believe they were "skinned alive", at all costs ? You're ignoring the experts just to emphasize a brutality that isn't there. You're even going as far as claiming they were paid off. Why ? Because it may involve a doubt on your part ?
It's happened before it's part of the game that's why I suspect them of lying, if it wouldn't kill you to go onto the SSCS website then you will find a letter from a sealer who speaks of how he enjoys the seals pain and the feeling of it's skull being crushed benieth his club. Also I do not dennie that it would corse doubt on my part in trying to convince other people that it is wrong, it makes little diffrence to me personly though, I think killing isn't humane.
representingss, having read your comments you clearly believe this is a battle of whit, not science. You seriously don't know what's going on in Canada and you're relying on material you don't even understand because you wouldn't have said that comment in regards to autopsies if you did. The ban has little support in Canada, Greenland, Norway and the Nordic members of the EU.
I don't give a damn about what other people think about it. The reason I put these videos on here is to rally support for people like sea shepherd, and draw attention to what's happening to inocent baby seals. If you think it's fine that it's ok then "woopty fuckin do." All life is equal whether it hurts or not. If it didn't hurt when a human got killed would you say that it should be legal? It may be a stange logic to you, but to be honest I don't care.
Well, you claimed the EU was supporting it so you obviously care what they think. And Sweden, Finland and Denmark are part of the EU, as well as the European Food Safety Authority. Why are their opinions to be dismissed ? Cause an unelected lobby group from the states like Sea Shepherd said so ? They've haven't even presented credible evidence to support a ban. Seriously, I like seals, so why am I not buying their claims ?
If you liked seals you wouldn't be supporting there murder. I made the mistake of saying I didn't care what they think what I meant by it was that it won't change the way that I think. Can you tell me more about what the IFAW said? I havn't heard about it.
"If you liked seals you wouldn't be supporting there murder" - This is where the protesters fail ; Imposed morality. They impose these "conditions" on others because they think they're in a position to demand it. In a more moral position. Yet these same people tone it down when other meat eaters make donations. It always begins with an appeal, then proceeds to guilt trips and then condemnations.
I don't remember inposing any conditions on you, but what I said makes sence, if you liked seals you wouldn't be supporting there murder. Would you say that it's ok to eat dogs or cats then? Because you may like them? All I am saying is that it's a little wierd to say that you like an animal and then say you don't care if it's killed.
representing I like my dog and I would not eat it, but there are people who eat dog. If they raise and slaughter those dogs for food and they are well treated than I have no problem with that.
That was the purpose of the quote. You imposed a condition that I only like seals IF I didn't support the hunt. The Inuit eat seal and I can't possibly condemn them either. I can't condemn people who eat deer, even though I like em. You're imposing your personal choice on others without knowing anything about them. Seals aren't threatened and they don't suffer so why should I be concerned ?
You should be concerd because at the end of the day a creature loss' it's baby for humans plessure and profit, so excuse me for being against that. I fale to see how you can say you like seals and then say you don't care if there killed, it dosn't make any sence at all. You say I impose my chioces on other people, well what about the seals chioce to live?
You've got to understand that non-vegetarians will weight the hunt's impact in a different manner - In comparison to other hunts and controlled kills that result in other meat and leather products. Meat eaters will immediately look for signs of suffering and the threat of such a hunt on a species. In the case of this hunt the evidence against it is insufficient.
In the end it comes down to personal choice and respect for other people's choices. I've chosen not to eat dear but if someone eats it in front of me, it doesn't offend me because the hunters I know don't allow the deer they eat to suffer for a significant amount of time. I do have problems with the live cat boiling in Asia though. I don't get why they need to boil them alive. :-/
IFAW performed autopsies on 76 seals and found that 42% may have been alive for some time after they were clubbed. This is where the "skinned alive" percentages come from and they use footage of postmortem twitches and reflexes to push it forward as fact. This was dismissed by previous studies, some by the WWF.
I can't believe anyone would consider Paul Watson an honorable man. He claimed to be happy about the death of 4 sealers last month, and that their lives were worthless compared to seals. He also used to ram sealer boats.
And lastly, if it can shed some light on this massive scam to make profits that is the seal hunt protests, Paul Watson agreed in an interview that it is the best way to raise money and nothing else. Watch the interview here:
Paul Watson and Sea Shepherd are truely amazing. They go out there to do whatever they can to stop the slaughter of seal, whales, etc. I would love to join their crew when older.
Last year a rich American woman said she would pay all the sealers NOT to hunt. That offer was declined, so the hunt has nothing to do with survival of rural families.
The woman's name is Cathy Kangas. "Besides the fact that most within the industry say it's worth more than $16 million . . . and notwithstanding the fact that this is an annual income, I don't know whether she was planning to offer $16 million a year for the next decade or if this was a one-time deal or what have you," [Steven Outhouse, spokesman for Fisheries Minister Loyola Hearn] said. April 4/06 Harpseals . org
Why is this labeled as a coast guard vessel ramming the Farley Mowat. If you watch the vessel, its clear that she is doing what ever is possible to get out the Farley Mowats way. The capatin of the mowat should have done the same thing, but for some reason he doesn't. He endangered the lives of his own crew and the lives of the coast guard crew.
your abusive waffle is so boring. Yawn. You can debate the issues so you revert to this drivel. When you have something intelligent to say, then post. Until then, get a life.
p.s. Jesus 470, have you thought about the absolute hypocracy of your user name compared with the vile abusive stuff you spit out? Somehow I think that on an unconscious level you KNOW you need to take in some of the compassion/love/kindess/non-violence that Jesus embodied. Now might be a good time to start.
You know as I read more and more of your comments I become increasingly more bored, they have hardley any content and don't get any point across exept for the fact that you don't like Paul Watson. I think everyone got the point. Do you have anything to say that dosn't involve about 5 pointless profanities?
Well that shut you up didn't it jesus470? I thought you never would. Good for you I think your a much more impressive person if you keep your mouth closed and your fingers away from the keyboard.
O Canada! Our home and native land! True patriot love in all thy seals off land. With glowing hearts we see thee live, True Native citizens strong and free! From far across the ice, O Canada, We stand on guard for thee. Shepherds keep the seals alive and cruelty free! O Canada, we stand on guard for the seals. O Canada, we stand on guard for whales. O Canada, for them we will not fail The Canadian National Anthem Sea Shepherd version
All Sealers, Whalers and defenders of them, do you seriously think that humans should murder and kill other creatures just because we can? There is more than enough food on this planet being produced to feed everyone that doesn't involve killing 1 animal. And as for fur from seals and other animals, there is absolutely no excuse or need for that. This is barbarism and it needs to stop now.
I can not believe how many Canadian Tax dollars are spent on this crap.... The waste of government money to police this hunt and protect the sealers from being filmed... kill them when being towed... why not just get them to stay home and give them the money for the fuel we are wasting in those coast guard boats...
To the sealers: I only wish you could experience the sensations and pain you bring to the baby seals who are having their skulls bashed in and those being skinned alive. Perhaps then you would realize how senseless your so called "hunt" is.
These people could not another job in a heartbeat. Have you been the places these people are from. There is no other work. Whether you are against this or not these people need this work. By the way if you are against this you better be a vegan. This no more or less cruel than a slaughter house. I'm having trout I caught myself tonight for supper so that would make me a hypocrite if I opposed it. The harp seal is not endanger in fact the population is very health. They do not hunt the babies.
well I am so good for me. Whem I said that they could get another job in a heart beat I was not talking about the sealers, someone said about sea shepherd "don't you people have jobs, GO HOME" I was merly stating that the crew onboard sea shepherd could get another job if they wanted to. I understand what you are saying about work there and I think there should be govnment compensation for the people who do this.
so you'd rather have them working in the tar sands in alberta? thats where the largest concentration of Newfoundlanders is and most probable place they would head if they needed a job. Working in the tar sands is surely more detrimental to the environment (as in the global warming effect of the oil used)than hunting seals?
there a plenty more options were people can get work and the tar sands would run regardless of weather the sealers worked there or not. Or are you suggesting otherwise?
The sealers are killing seals, me and many others want it to end, end of story.
I belive all life is equal ask any of my friends they would tell you I do not eat meat, because then I would be a hypocrite if I did. I also think the way the seals are killed is inhumain, did you know that one baby seal was skined alive?
do you protest at the overfishing around the world? do you protest against the people who work at abattoirs? it's your own choice not to eat meat but there are millions even billions of people who eat meat and there are millions of people who make a living off of the meat industry. seal hunting is no different to what happens in slaughterhouses around the world
I agree with you, but I am aloud to have my say just like you are aload to have yours. I am only 14 so unfortunatly I am not old enough to go protest out at sea just yet, and the same goes for the abattoirs I can't go yet. I know what you mean the slauter house is no diffrent and as soon as I get video of those animals being killed thats going on youtube so keep yours eyes open if you can.
although we stand at different sides of this debate. I must say you are one the more mature people I have read comments from. Good for you stick to your core beliefs. Just know that there are better groups than the Sea Shepards to get involved with. They sunk ship by ramming them in the past. This risks lives and creates long lasting pollution
Thanks it's nice to see that there are people who can set there diffrences aside and talk like human beings and voice there views without needing to resort to about a million swear words as a deffence.
compassion and forgiveness for the mind controlled freaks who participate in this backward violence. my support and love to all representing sea shepherd, you are doing such a good job for all us more evolved humans.
get a real job people, go back to your own country and mind yer own business. dont u people have jobs? Im proud of Newfoundland and of St.Pierre thanks friends.
They could get a real job in a heartbeat if they wanted to. They choose to do this volentary work because it's what they and I belive is right, and Paul Watson who is on board is Canadian.
it's to bad the coast guard did not sink the son of a bitch.the protesters should not be allowed out there.haven't you got to have a ticket to operate a ship this size?
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fuck canada canada is the worst country in the world
fhklasfhadbgjakhklah 1 year ago
The SSS are notorious for ramming ships ! so then it was off limits ? fuck the ARA'S
223gunner 2 years ago
good job canadian coast guard i came from madgalen island and all the crew member into the farley mowat are simply fucker there are all a fucking shit and they can die
jmgedn 2 years ago
Notice how they dont show the Warnings the Coast Guard says before the guy starts talking... at 2:45.... its just so stupid. Coast Guard are not Pirates. if the sea Spepard people are not... then why do they have a Pirate flag. and ram ships, sunk atleast ten. Lost its Registration more then once. and is now costing money to be tied at a pier all day everyday.... also funny.. if the Farley Mowat broke down right then.. who do you think would have came to the call? the Canadian Coast Guard....
SirFact 2 years ago
Canadians are morrons
r8qt7 2 years ago
This is the same coast guard that killed the sealers last year towing their boat last year right? What a bunch of morons.
RJAY2000 2 years ago
No that isn't the same boat that was towing the Acadien II
ForeveranIslander 2 years ago 2
RE:"The seal hunt in newfoundland canada is a financial loss...." Yes, its a shame its so expensive for Cdns to have the CCG out there protecting our citizens from wealthy charlatans and criminals aboard concrete-bowed trawlers. On loose ice. Routinely. For harvesting, humanely, a species not on any endangered list. WhistleBlowers:The CCG is right there!
Observers: 'bit odd,but fine.And while doing it, try respecting our laws/lives, rather than riding the ragged edge of their letter/disaster.
rhysfawr4 3 years ago 2
The coast guard would have been out there anyways dumbass. That area is a very very busy shipping area. There is an assumption that if the Seal industry stopped this shipped would be layed up - not the case. The CCGS would have been out there regardless
SparwoodApple 2 years ago
Im pro sealing but i second that... DFO is ridiculous..how can someone based on the mainland in a city understand whats best for our location and ocean...Hey you also a fine example of that hmmmmm
waswitdat69 3 years ago
your a loon.. Cods MAIN DIET is the species you say eat them, caplin herring mackrel squid crab and anything eles they can fit in their mouth....for one thing a full grown caplin is FIVE INCHES LONG THE MAIN FOOD OF THE COD...Have you seen a lump fish lol its a sucker fish 12 inches long....you sir are a liar of the worst kind ..preying on peoples ignorance of the sea , stating lunacy as facts...only 4 things hunt spawing size cod SEALS SHARK HALIBUT AND MAN,seals eat Cods food AND COD
waswitdat69 3 years ago
protected the cod???? the seals eat something like their own body weight in cod..and only the stomaches!! the cod fishery is crap because of that! and the fact that they were over fished. please ( with actual facts ) explain how the seal "protected" the cod..that makes no sence..that is the most rediculus stament I have ever heard almost as rediculus as sea shepard it's self.
adamized 3 years ago
fuck peta fuck sea shepard fuck all of it..they wont listen to anyone elses side of things and yet ram their side down our throats..fuck it all! nuke the fucking seals! and take the whales with em!
adamized 3 years ago
representing you have to understand that canucktunes has a point. You see very choice video that may look to you that the seal is alive. I have skinned animals in my younger years and they will move for a bit after death occurs. I witnessed one seal being skinned up close not on video and I can tell that seal was dead but continued to move a bit. Most of the seals are shot but some use the club method This actually a more precise way to kill and has less likely hood of not killing on first blow
mastermariner23 3 years ago
Well I think we are just going to have to agree to disagree on this, I just believe that killing is inhumane and I have apologize because I proberly didn't make that clear enough, so if think diffrently I won't stop you from doing so, but all this has turned into is a debate that won't get either of us anywhere because I believe that people shouldn't kill anything and you obvesly disagree, I won't hold any grudes if you don't. Same goes for you canucktunes.
representingss 3 years ago
representingss, Newfoundlanders live off the sea. Their diets consists mostly of fish and seafood. They import most of the corn, rice and wheat they consume and it would cost significantly more for them to go vegetarian. It just isn't viable and they use the funds they get from the sale of seal to eat. They also eat seal. It is inhumane to demand vegetarianism. It is only viable in St. John's and it's still quite expensive there as well.
canucktunes 3 years ago
I hardley think that inhumane is the right word for it canucktunes, expensive would be closer I think, but life is worth more then all the money in the world.
representingss 3 years ago
Starvation is inhumane and you're proposing that we remove their source for food and money. Based on what ? Emotional appears devoid of logic and science. To what ends ? These organizations know this hunt will never end. It's a cash cow for them and they can claim whatever they want because there are plenty of impressionable minds to manipulate out there. Norway, Greenland, Russia and China are not in the EU and they're the major importers. Seal will continue to be consumed and culled.
canucktunes 3 years ago
BTW, by "organizations" I mean Sea Shepherd, Peta and HSUS - Three American protest groups that want political influence in Canada.
canucktunes 3 years ago
Yeah now that you mention them "GO PETA!" Have you read the bio of that guy? It's heaps good. Anyway I don't starve and I'm a vego, I believe that one day in the future humans will look back in discust at the humans who eat meat as we now look upone cannibals. I am not the only one who has this view some of the greats on history such as leonardo de vinci and albert eistien, who people say were ahead of there time.
representingss 3 years ago
Used to support Peta but they changed in the 90's. As a moderate, non vegetarian I can't support it. They condemn pets, companion animals, seeing eye dogs and protest actions they themselves perform (euthanasia). They funded a known ALF terrorist's legal fund and harass and threaten people. I just don't find them ethical anymore.
canucktunes 3 years ago
Your comment about Peta not supporting animal companionship is incorrect Canuncktunes.
demeter33 3 years ago
Google the following words : Animal Rights Uncompromised Peta On Pets
The top link should be for a page on Peta's official site, which details their stance on "companion animals".
canucktunes 3 years ago
Canucktunes, you must be kidding me right! How can you say such misleading things, then give me directions to a link which proves that what you say is incorrect!!!
I know what Peta's stance is but decided to follow your instructions to see what it led too. Please see my next posting for the exact quote from PETA themselves.
demeter33 3 years ago
What do you mean "misleading" ? You've quoted the last paragraph of the very statement i'm talking about. And links don't work in the comments here on Youtube.
canucktunes 3 years ago
'link' refers to the directions you gave me to do a google search, which led me to a link that i then followed!
'Misleading' refers to your previous posting where you made a blanket statement about PETA's stand on animal companionship. In PETA's own words, they DO NOT say this at all. They directly say that they do believe in responsible animal companionship - which means that your previous post is misleading.
demeter33 3 years ago
It isn't a blanket statement. PETA claims to accept companion animals only with a list of conditions, some of which are quite unreasonable. I am not alone in seeing this. Haven't you seen the "Bull Sh*t" episode on these people ?
canucktunes 3 years ago
'These people' as you refer to PETA, implies to me that you likley have a black and white view on them, and there is probably no point in us discussing the issue. We will have to agree to disagree on what constitutes their views on animal companionship.
demeter33 3 years ago
I had once supported PETA for their actions against cruelty to animals. This mandate was extended by militants who wanted to enforce their vegan and vegetarian lifestyle on everyone and they lost my support. And by militant, I mean "those people" that harassed and threatened people, performed acts of vandalism and supported the ALF. Now it's just one idiotic stunt after the other, some of which are degrading to women, and guilt trips by emphasis on the remote cases of abuse. No thanks.
canucktunes 3 years ago
My only point with this whole thing is related to your original comment about PETA's views on companion animals. I get that you have an ideological difference of opinion with them, I'm cool with that. We will just have to agree to disagree!
demeter33 3 years ago
We definitely agree on some points. That the pound should be your first stop for pets, that declawing is unnecessary (catnip scratch posts and deterrent spray is better), spaying/neutering is important, and socializing by having at least two pets is preferable.
canucktunes 3 years ago
Thanks for sharing that Canucktunes, I'm really glad to hear that we have found common ground on companion animals!
demeter33 3 years ago
The exact quote from PETA is
'Contrary to myth, PETA does not want to confiscate animals who are well cared for and "set them free." What we want is for the population of dogs and cats to be reduced through spaying and neutering and for people to adopt animals (preferably two so that they can keep each other company when their human companions aren't home) from pounds or shelters—never from pet shops or breeders—thereby reducing suffering in the world.'
demeter33 3 years ago
PETA claim to like companion animals but in the same statement say they shouldn't be bred for that purpose, at all. They also complain about dog owners telling their pet to get off the furniture or to stop barking ; "Their lives are restricted to human homes where they must obey commands and can only eat, drink, and even urinate when humans allow them to."
canucktunes 3 years ago
No offense... but that's not hunting. That's seeing a black dot on an iceburg and then going over to bash its head in.
Hunting is actually pursuing and WORKING for it.
CoolColossalCanuck 3 years ago
So ? Some hunters use calls and baits and that's technically trapping.
canucktunes 3 years ago
They were a duch ship in international waters and all they were doing was taking photo's, which last time I checked wasn't againest international law. The Canadain govenment claims that the SSCS was in canadain water but the SSCS has records that prove they wern't so we will see who was breaking the law after the cort case.
representingss 3 years ago
it seems this is a popular vid lol, wat u been up to bbuddy
wonlongwang 3 years ago
Very nice! Go CCG Go!
DinosaurJp 3 years ago
I can't believe sealers can be considered "honorable" when they don't do what they are supposed to do; i.e. killing the seals humanely, fast, and allowing to completely bleed before they can skinned. I have seen appalling pictures and videos of slowly-and-painfully-dying seals, or when those poor creatures are skinned alive!! What a waste of money for Canadian taxpayers (fuel cost is very high now and seal pelts prices are low). The European Union will soon ban seal products.
euskadino 3 years ago
They do kill them humanely according to the European Food Safety Authority. It's just that these donation hungry organizations would rather say they don't, to keep the donations coming.
canucktunes 3 years ago
They kill baby seals humanely? Yeah, right! Who are you trying to make a fool of? How humane is to destroy God's creation! Let nature or global warming kill the seals, but not an unnecessary massacre! What a waste of money for Canadian taxpayers. Do you know how much money in lost revenue the seal hunt is causing the Canadian economy? It's a dangerous occupation too! How about the unnecessary and unfortunate death of sealers from Iles de la Madelaine because their boat capsized?
euskadino 3 years ago
Well, then why did the EFSA come to that conclusion ? Why didn't IFAW find a larger figure that 42% ? You're acting like it's impossible to kill a baby seal humanely simply because it's a baby. Veal and spring lamb are also killed for food.
canucktunes 3 years ago
sorry to tell you canucktunes but the european countrys are going to ban the seal products so say goodbye to that excuse.
representingss 3 years ago
I question the integrity of any organization that ignores their own experts. So will the WTO because this decision would be in clear violation of several international trade laws.
canucktunes 3 years ago
I question the integrity of a person who thinks that it is ok to kill baby seals.
representingss 3 years ago
Representing is it ok to kill cattle, pigs, lambs, fish, chickens, turkeys, emu, deer, moose, rabbits, etc etc etc?
mastermariner23 3 years ago
I am a vegetarian so no I do not belive that it is If ok to kill all of the mentioned above. I belive all life is equal, I know all of the stuff that is done to farm animals and I don't support it at all. Some people belive you need meat for your health, that's there choice and this is mine.
representingss 3 years ago
Most humans have also made a choice. To eat meat and wear animal skin. That is their choice. Do lions have a choice or sharks? I'm sure you agree that they do not. Why is it then that we can put Disney values on certain animals that we see as cute and cuddly but other animals are not perceived the same way When the sealers take a seal it will suffer far less than when a shark takes it It is very common for some species of shark to take one bite of a seal and leave it to die without consuming it
mastermariner23 3 years ago
Hang on I thought we were the most intellegent creature on earth or at least one of them. You may choose to eat anumals and were there skin I don't. I can live without meat I'm no weaker then any of my friends who do. I make a chioce you make a chioce and everyone else makes one as well. This is mine. I would put votage of any animal getting killed if I had it, I don't believe that how they look matters.
representingss 3 years ago
I suppose I do know what you mean though people seem to have that habbit of saying stuff like "oh those poor seals" while there eating a beef burger. It is unfair when people who do that have a go about people killing seals, whales ect ect. But as I said before I choose diffrently.
representingss 3 years ago
Well kid, do you eat chicken ? Did you know that male baby chicks are routinely shredded alive after being sexed, for feed for other animals ? How about veal or spring lamb ? Those baby cows and baby lambs are slaughtered as well. Aren't they cute enough ? You simply don't have enough information to debate this.
canucktunes 3 years ago
I'm afraid that if you read the comment above you will find otherwise.
representingss 3 years ago
Whether you eat meat or not, the experts have spoken in regards to the theory that seals suffer in the process ; They don't. This theory is simply mentioned by protesters to obtain funds from people who eat meat. If you are in a position to become vegetarian then it is your choice but it is not viable in many areas, especially now that the price of rice and wheat has skyrocketed and corn is being diverted to biodiesel. Seal is a local source of food for Newfoundlanders.
canucktunes 3 years ago
Really they've done tests to sea if they suffer? How? Did they get a massive club and bash themselves over the head? Or did they simply ask the seal "Did that hurt just then when I smacked you over the head?" When the seal didn't answer they took that as a no.
representingss 3 years ago
It's called a postmortem examination, a.k.a "autopsy". You'll learn about it soon in school, in biology class.
canucktunes 3 years ago
HAHAHA Your kidding me? You think that they can determine whether or not a seal went through pain when it was smacked over the head with a club, by a postmortem? I wonder how much the Canadian government paid the scientists to reach that conclusion.
representingss 3 years ago
Um, yes. IFAW did their own on 76 seals and came up with that 42% rate we keep on hearing about. I guess they're idiots too, huh ?
canucktunes 3 years ago
Canucktunes, can you specifiy the details of the IFAW test you are referring to? Where can I read more info on that?
demeter33 3 years ago
BTW, why are you assuming they were paid by the Canadian government ? The first studies were by independent veterinarians and the recent dismissal of IFAW's study was performed by the European Food Safety Authority, under the EU government.
canucktunes 3 years ago
Um I dunno so it makes it easier for people like you to say that it's alright. I can see that there is no convincing you that the seals get harmed when they are bashed over the head, but what about the baby seal that was skinned alive? I don't think it's ok whether it hurts them or not, because killing a baby or any creature is inhumane whether it hurts or not. My believe is all life is equal I don't expect you to take it on it's just my believe and I am viocing it.
representingss 3 years ago
Why must you believe they were "skinned alive", at all costs ? You're ignoring the experts just to emphasize a brutality that isn't there. You're even going as far as claiming they were paid off. Why ? Because it may involve a doubt on your part ?
canucktunes 3 years ago
It's happened before it's part of the game that's why I suspect them of lying, if it wouldn't kill you to go onto the SSCS website then you will find a letter from a sealer who speaks of how he enjoys the seals pain and the feeling of it's skull being crushed benieth his club. Also I do not dennie that it would corse doubt on my part in trying to convince other people that it is wrong, it makes little diffrence to me personly though, I think killing isn't humane.
representingss 3 years ago
representingss, having read your comments you clearly believe this is a battle of whit, not science. You seriously don't know what's going on in Canada and you're relying on material you don't even understand because you wouldn't have said that comment in regards to autopsies if you did. The ban has little support in Canada, Greenland, Norway and the Nordic members of the EU.
canucktunes 3 years ago
I don't give a damn about what other people think about it. The reason I put these videos on here is to rally support for people like sea shepherd, and draw attention to what's happening to inocent baby seals. If you think it's fine that it's ok then "woopty fuckin do." All life is equal whether it hurts or not. If it didn't hurt when a human got killed would you say that it should be legal? It may be a stange logic to you, but to be honest I don't care.
representingss 3 years ago
Well, you claimed the EU was supporting it so you obviously care what they think. And Sweden, Finland and Denmark are part of the EU, as well as the European Food Safety Authority. Why are their opinions to be dismissed ? Cause an unelected lobby group from the states like Sea Shepherd said so ? They've haven't even presented credible evidence to support a ban. Seriously, I like seals, so why am I not buying their claims ?
canucktunes 3 years ago
If you liked seals you wouldn't be supporting there murder. I made the mistake of saying I didn't care what they think what I meant by it was that it won't change the way that I think. Can you tell me more about what the IFAW said? I havn't heard about it.
representingss 3 years ago
"If you liked seals you wouldn't be supporting there murder" - This is where the protesters fail ; Imposed morality. They impose these "conditions" on others because they think they're in a position to demand it. In a more moral position. Yet these same people tone it down when other meat eaters make donations. It always begins with an appeal, then proceeds to guilt trips and then condemnations.
canucktunes 3 years ago
I don't remember inposing any conditions on you, but what I said makes sence, if you liked seals you wouldn't be supporting there murder. Would you say that it's ok to eat dogs or cats then? Because you may like them? All I am saying is that it's a little wierd to say that you like an animal and then say you don't care if it's killed.
representingss 3 years ago
representing I like my dog and I would not eat it, but there are people who eat dog. If they raise and slaughter those dogs for food and they are well treated than I have no problem with that.
mastermariner23 3 years ago
That was the purpose of the quote. You imposed a condition that I only like seals IF I didn't support the hunt. The Inuit eat seal and I can't possibly condemn them either. I can't condemn people who eat deer, even though I like em. You're imposing your personal choice on others without knowing anything about them. Seals aren't threatened and they don't suffer so why should I be concerned ?
canucktunes 3 years ago
You should be concerd because at the end of the day a creature loss' it's baby for humans plessure and profit, so excuse me for being against that. I fale to see how you can say you like seals and then say you don't care if there killed, it dosn't make any sence at all. You say I impose my chioces on other people, well what about the seals chioce to live?
representingss 3 years ago
You've got to understand that non-vegetarians will weight the hunt's impact in a different manner - In comparison to other hunts and controlled kills that result in other meat and leather products. Meat eaters will immediately look for signs of suffering and the threat of such a hunt on a species. In the case of this hunt the evidence against it is insufficient.
canucktunes 3 years ago
I don't debate that what you say is compleatly right, and I understand were you are coming from. I just see it a diffrent way.
representingss 3 years ago
In the end it comes down to personal choice and respect for other people's choices. I've chosen not to eat dear but if someone eats it in front of me, it doesn't offend me because the hunters I know don't allow the deer they eat to suffer for a significant amount of time. I do have problems with the live cat boiling in Asia though. I don't get why they need to boil them alive. :-/
canucktunes 3 years ago
Can I ask why dear? Is there any reason?
representingss 3 years ago
Just used it as an example. Some visit my backyard from time to time.
canucktunes 3 years ago
IFAW performed autopsies on 76 seals and found that 42% may have been alive for some time after they were clubbed. This is where the "skinned alive" percentages come from and they use footage of postmortem twitches and reflexes to push it forward as fact. This was dismissed by previous studies, some by the WWF.
canucktunes 3 years ago
I can't believe anyone would consider Paul Watson an honorable man. He claimed to be happy about the death of 4 sealers last month, and that their lives were worthless compared to seals. He also used to ram sealer boats.
And lastly, if it can shed some light on this massive scam to make profits that is the seal hunt protests, Paul Watson agreed in an interview that it is the best way to raise money and nothing else. Watch the interview here:
watch?v=H_gTBDFTXE0
alex14105 3 years ago
stupide paul watson !!!
davidagilles 3 years ago
Paul Watson and Sea Shepherd are truely amazing. They go out there to do whatever they can to stop the slaughter of seal, whales, etc. I would love to join their crew when older.
vegannat1993 3 years ago
Last year a rich American woman said she would pay all the sealers NOT to hunt. That offer was declined, so the hunt has nothing to do with survival of rural families.
Paul Watson, you are my HERO
saltnpepper101 3 years ago
Saltnpepper, Do you have any further info on that woman? Any links or articles about it? Would love to read more...
demeter33 3 years ago
The woman's name is Cathy Kangas. "Besides the fact that most within the industry say it's worth more than $16 million . . . and notwithstanding the fact that this is an annual income, I don't know whether she was planning to offer $16 million a year for the next decade or if this was a one-time deal or what have you," [Steven Outhouse, spokesman for Fisheries Minister Loyola Hearn] said. April 4/06 Harpseals . org
Ersabette 3 years ago
Why is this labeled as a coast guard vessel ramming the Farley Mowat. If you watch the vessel, its clear that she is doing what ever is possible to get out the Farley Mowats way. The capatin of the mowat should have done the same thing, but for some reason he doesn't. He endangered the lives of his own crew and the lives of the coast guard crew.
s99smp 3 years ago
stupid paul watson hes the one who run n the coast gaurd he should be shot and pissed on
Jesus470 3 years ago
Jesus 470,
your abusive waffle is so boring. Yawn. You can debate the issues so you revert to this drivel. When you have something intelligent to say, then post. Until then, get a life.
demeter33 3 years ago 2
go fuck your self u dumb cocksucker paul watson sucks cock and everyone knows it
Jesus470 3 years ago
stupid paul watson hes the one who run n the coast gaurd he should be shot and pissed on
Jesus470 3 years ago
p.s. Jesus 470, have you thought about the absolute hypocracy of your user name compared with the vile abusive stuff you spit out? Somehow I think that on an unconscious level you KNOW you need to take in some of the compassion/love/kindess/non-violence that Jesus embodied. Now might be a good time to start.
demeter33 3 years ago
fuck its just a user cuz i couldnt get the one i was looking for so i said that and it worked dumbass
Jesus470 3 years ago
Very testy!
demeter33 3 years ago
got nothing to say or what?
Jesus470 3 years ago
Got plenty to say Jesus 470, but not to people who don't have the will to debate the issues, who instead choose to throw around verbal abuse instead.
demeter33 3 years ago
holy fuck u sound so much like a pussy its not funny ur same as that fat pussy paul watson
Jesus470 3 years ago
You know as I read more and more of your comments I become increasingly more bored, they have hardley any content and don't get any point across exept for the fact that you don't like Paul Watson. I think everyone got the point. Do you have anything to say that dosn't involve about 5 pointless profanities?
demeter33 3 years ago
oh i have lots to say im going to wrap my cock around his neck and choke the fat basterd to death i know he likes cock anyway
Jesus470 3 years ago
How do you know that he likes cock? I don't think he does. Even if he did would there be a probelem with that?
representingss 3 years ago
Well that shut you up didn't it jesus470? I thought you never would. Good for you I think your a much more impressive person if you keep your mouth closed and your fingers away from the keyboard.
representingss 3 years ago
SealShepherd 3 years ago
All Sealers, Whalers and defenders of them, do you seriously think that humans should murder and kill other creatures just because we can? There is more than enough food on this planet being produced to feed everyone that doesn't involve killing 1 animal. And as for fur from seals and other animals, there is absolutely no excuse or need for that. This is barbarism and it needs to stop now.
demeter33 3 years ago
I can not believe how many Canadian Tax dollars are spent on this crap.... The waste of government money to police this hunt and protect the sealers from being filmed... kill them when being towed... why not just get them to stay home and give them the money for the fuel we are wasting in those coast guard boats...
LegionnaireMaximus 3 years ago
To the sealers: I only wish you could experience the sensations and pain you bring to the baby seals who are having their skulls bashed in and those being skinned alive. Perhaps then you would realize how senseless your so called "hunt" is.
timberwolf18 3 years ago
These people could not another job in a heartbeat. Have you been the places these people are from. There is no other work. Whether you are against this or not these people need this work. By the way if you are against this you better be a vegan. This no more or less cruel than a slaughter house. I'm having trout I caught myself tonight for supper so that would make me a hypocrite if I opposed it. The harp seal is not endanger in fact the population is very health. They do not hunt the babies.
mastermariner22 3 years ago
well I am so good for me. Whem I said that they could get another job in a heart beat I was not talking about the sealers, someone said about sea shepherd "don't you people have jobs, GO HOME" I was merly stating that the crew onboard sea shepherd could get another job if they wanted to. I understand what you are saying about work there and I think there should be govnment compensation for the people who do this.
representingss 3 years ago
so you'd rather have them working in the tar sands in alberta? thats where the largest concentration of Newfoundlanders is and most probable place they would head if they needed a job. Working in the tar sands is surely more detrimental to the environment (as in the global warming effect of the oil used)than hunting seals?
bakarashee 3 years ago
Do you mean the sealers when you say "them,"
there a plenty more options were people can get work and the tar sands would run regardless of weather the sealers worked there or not. Or are you suggesting otherwise?
The sealers are killing seals, me and many others want it to end, end of story.
representingss 3 years ago
may i just ask you a simple question, i don't mean anything bad by it, why are you against the seal hunt?
bakarashee 3 years ago
I belive all life is equal ask any of my friends they would tell you I do not eat meat, because then I would be a hypocrite if I did. I also think the way the seals are killed is inhumain, did you know that one baby seal was skined alive?
representingss 3 years ago
do you protest at the overfishing around the world? do you protest against the people who work at abattoirs? it's your own choice not to eat meat but there are millions even billions of people who eat meat and there are millions of people who make a living off of the meat industry. seal hunting is no different to what happens in slaughterhouses around the world
bakarashee 3 years ago
I agree with you, but I am aloud to have my say just like you are aload to have yours. I am only 14 so unfortunatly I am not old enough to go protest out at sea just yet, and the same goes for the abattoirs I can't go yet. I know what you mean the slauter house is no diffrent and as soon as I get video of those animals being killed thats going on youtube so keep yours eyes open if you can.
representingss 3 years ago
although we stand at different sides of this debate. I must say you are one the more mature people I have read comments from. Good for you stick to your core beliefs. Just know that there are better groups than the Sea Shepards to get involved with. They sunk ship by ramming them in the past. This risks lives and creates long lasting pollution
mastermariner22 3 years ago
Thanks it's nice to see that there are people who can set there diffrences aside and talk like human beings and voice there views without needing to resort to about a million swear words as a deffence.
representingss 3 years ago
compassion and forgiveness for the mind controlled freaks who participate in this backward violence. my support and love to all representing sea shepherd, you are doing such a good job for all us more evolved humans.
indigowarrior8 3 years ago
get a real job people, go back to your own country and mind yer own business. dont u people have jobs? Im proud of Newfoundland and of St.Pierre thanks friends.
Chantellynne 3 years ago
They could get a real job in a heartbeat if they wanted to. They choose to do this volentary work because it's what they and I belive is right, and Paul Watson who is on board is Canadian.
representingss 3 years ago
it's to bad the coast guard did not sink the son of a bitch.the protesters should not be allowed out there.haven't you got to have a ticket to operate a ship this size?
fishman2940 3 years ago