Most Successful Black Women Want Middle Class Men- P1

[heavymetalloverz]

Please make more vids!

[Waterj82]

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[e84fresh]

Not enough good BM(middle class) around ? So if a BM is not in the middle class he is considered no good ? My father and my uncle have been in the working class for years. Both were financially stable and able to take care of a family.

[BronzeTrinity]

@e84fresh Why are you bothering to comment? Yes, if a man is blue collar he is not what I'm looking for. I don't have to want a blue collar guy if I don't want to. Blue collar guys can go with blue collar girls because there are plenty of them and they are probably very nice. Why exactly would you want a white collar girl?

[e84fresh]

@BronzeTrinity If that white collar woman makes me happy then I'm all for the white collar woman. I have a college degree but I don't go around thinking that people are beneath me or telling people they are not on my level. That's ignorant.

[BronzeTrinity]

@e84fresh Get it through your thick head. I am not attracted to blue collar men because I find white collar men to be more attractive. Your answer is to call me ignorant because I'm not attracted to someone's lifestyle or their job. Yeah, I'm not attracted to mechanics...that's ignorant. You didn't answer my question either, why would you go for a white collar woman? I think it's ignorant to think that everyone is on your level and they should give you a chance. What makes you so special?

[e84fresh]

@BronzeTrinity No where my statements have I ever said it's ignorant to not date or not be attracted to blue collar men.Since you have trouble comprehending I'll repeat myself.What I was clearly stating was that it's ignorant to think people are beneath you or telling them they are not on your level.Class doesn't matter to me. I like a woman that is mature,clean, faithful,supportive,respectful and has no drama. If she can bring those qualities to the table then I would date her.

[woobuglauryn]

You are on to something here... I would say that this is reflective of a phenomena experienced by ppl who have or whose families have recently increased social status. Values usually take awhile to change...I think this contributes to the perceived lack of suitable marriage partners that BOTH black men and women complain of. Perhaps both sides should see the need for them to stop "dating beneath them". They will finally find each other once they do.

[woobuglauryn]

Very wise videos! This goes along with the way I was brought up. I got married to a black man who was of the middle class, as his mother is a bank president...however, he was very confused as he associated with many lower class people as a form of rebellion. Being married to him was very difficult and his influences about class tended to be very problematic...he was resentful of his middle class background. Now, I understand just how important this issue is! LOL

[BronzeTrinity]

@woobuglauryn Thanks for your comment. Yes values are so important and it's hard to get along with someone if you have vastly different priorities. What I don't understand is why a blue collar man would want to be with a white collar woman (other than her looks). I would think that her way of life would bother him. Why wouldn't he go for someone who is more like him?

[cpott23]

The women you describe are usually no longer young,well into there 30's-40's, and overweight. They usually also already have a kid or two with a lower class baby daddy. And now they expect a single, educated, financially independent black man who has plenty of options to settle down with them and there kids. There aren't many successful men under 40 who want a woman who is overweight or already has kids. This is why most black women educated or not miss the bus when it comes to relationships.

[BronzeTrinity]

@jesussavesist I don't care about Black men's struggles or opinions anymore so get lost. Stop whining and begging for attention. I'm so sick of you putting down bw constantly and then whining when we don't want you. I DON'T WANT YOU and I don't care about your conversations or your job. You are just unappealing to me in every way.

[BronzeTrinity]

@BronzeTrinity I am never leaving Canada so you can keep your American issues because things are different up here. No one cares about interracial dating up here and we were never mammies to the White people up here. That's your issue and not all Black people are the same. No one wants to be pulled down by someone else's baggage. I need someone who doesn't think the world is out to get them and can succeed despite those obstacles. Women do it, maybe you should be more like them.

[Phuzekhemisi]

Not having university or college degree does not necessarily mean that one is incapable of processing critical thoughts and intelligent rationale. There’s a tendency amongst educated people of assuming that uneducated people are all very shallow…personally I believe education comes in many forms i.e. formal and informal education.

[BronzeTrinity]

@Phuzekhemisi Well, see if your lack of a degree with get you a job where you have power or a loan. Education gets you things that can give you a better life. I like people who go to school but people hate to hear that. It's as if it's more acceptable to Black people to say I want someone who walks with swagger, has a fancy car with rims, pops bottles every night, and wears a diamond chain! But say you want someone educated and people go nuts!

[gulmoh]

And us educated upper/middle class Black men want women who are feminine, wife material, and who can make great mothers. Unfortunately, most Black women just don't fit this criteria now.

The reality is that I as a Black man has a easier time getting with women of other races than a Black woman getting with men of other races.

That's a FACT.

[DIJV79]

Hmm! The middle class is on its way out here in the U.S, all the above is obsolete industrial age ideas. The college grad is getting kicked to the curb in droves drawning in debt up to their necks and jobless.

[BronzeTrinity]

Man 1) Cute, nice, high school, struggling financially day to day. Man 2) cute, nice, university, financial stability. The two men are equal in looks and personality...so I pick #2. That doesn't mean he's a prop or I don't love him. He just doesn't come with the drama and stress. To me, he has more potential, I admire him, he's more like the person I want to be and the people I know. Only whores give themselves to any man who wants them so you must make a choice!

[SLICENSLASH]

@BronzeTrinity, "Only whores give themselves to any man who wants them so you must make a choice!"

If that statement was directed at my comments in the thread, then its out of line. U as an individual don't have to justify what you like and I never asked that of you. Nor did I claim a women should give herself away to just anyone who asks.

Sounds like ur projecting from past arguments you had with men.

[BronzeTrinity]

@SLICENSLASH the comment wasn't addressed to anyone.

[SLICENSLASH]

@BronzeTrinity, Another point. Middle class income & education does not automatically equate to middle class values. I disagree with your assessment on that. And working class income & education doesn't equate to lesser values.

And also when addressing why so many of these young men dropout & don't fulfill their potential, you should look back to the comments u made in the vid about the types of young men women are choosing in their youth, and how that influences the development of young men.

[BronzeTrinity]

@SLICENSLASH Yes middle class income and education does not automatically equate to middle class values but I look for the most likely case. I could estimate that 70% of middle class educated men will have middle class values so I work with that expectation rather than expecting the 30%.

Regarding your second point, people change what they want with age. I'm sure there are men who only chose women for their looks in their youth who want intelligence and depth now. We live, learn, and change.

[SLICENSLASH]

@BronzeTrinity, Regarding the second point, I have that conversation with my female family members often and my response is its not about live, learn, change its about live, learn, and GROW.

If you find yourself making a conscious shift to men that are the diametric opposite of what you used to like then I question whether that female ever saw any intrinsic value in men whatsoever. She just sees men as a ticket to whatever status level she values at that time. Who the man actually is as a...

[BronzeTrinity]

@SLICENSLASH That's not how I see it. Young people don't have the best judgement. Some girls go for guys with cars, on the sports team, popularity, the best looking etc. When they get older they realize those things are not important. I don't understand why people see going for a struggling man means a woman loves him, but going for a stable successful man means he's a prop to get what she wants! Do you think successful couples are not in love?

[SLICENSLASH]

@BronzeTrinity,..as a person means very little. He's really nothing more than a prop to furnish her desired lifestyle.

The qualities we like in people dont regularly make huge shifts. People Grow with time and that comes gradually. When a person's prototype partner changes so drastically it leaves me suspicious.

[BronzeTrinity]

@SLICENSLASH I've changed a lot since I was young. Back then I thought I was nothing unless someone loved me so I gave men a chance who didn't care about me in the hopes I could change the way they feel. We didn't have much in common. I had low self-esteem. Now that I have confidence I don't go for guys who I sense are players or don't have the qualities I want. That is a drastic difference. I grew up and don't want to be with someone just for the sake of not being alone.

[BronzeTrinity]

@SLICENSLASH Plus, when I was young I had less experience and based on my past relationships and other things I have learned, I have changed who I go for. I think it would be strange if someone still went for the same guys they went for as a teenager. Teenagers are immature and don't have responsibilities, adults are different. Why is a man with success a prop? They are just as lovable as anyone else, plus the often come with less drama. You can love someone with money!

[SLICENSLASH]

@BronzeTrinity, In this part of my response where did I mention money? I said a prop to furnish ur lifestyle. Which means the guy could be a ghetto thug that makes you feel protected &makes you feel like you have a purpose. You feel ur the one who can soothe his pain or change his life for the better; OR it could mean the well off educated man who could afford ur tastes & allow you to live a life of choice based off his work success.

U specified successful men as a prop. I didnt, I said Men....

[SLICENSLASH]

@BronzeTrinity,...and as a woman I would think you can relate to that complaint, as many a women has stated they don't like being made to feel like a bimbo/prop. A random interchangeable piece at a man's disposal for his leisure.

But when women play these passive manipulative games like you mentioned later in the thread it tends to make a man feel like that prop.

[SLICENSLASH]

@BronzeTrinity ,I actually don't disagree with many of the basic points of this video. My biggest issue with this vid is that if Women such as yourself knows so well what they want and are looking for Why don't they start approaching these men themselves and impressing them to the point where they'll ask these women out? Where else in life does a person know what they want yet they sit back and wait for it to magically find them? Then claim what they want doesn't exist or their too few of them.

[BronzeTrinity]

@SLICENSLASH. This is about two issues 1) knowing what you want & 2) picking the right method to get it. Women have heard repeatedly that men end up having long term relationships with the women they chase who they want more. When the women approach the men, are caught too easily, and want them more the men sometimes don't fall for them. Even men who say they want to be approached can't help doing this. So the women don't approach the me because they think he won't want them after.

[BronzeTrinity]

@SLICENSLASH I know it sounds crazy but this is the type of advice you get from men like that book He's Just Not That Into you. It speaks the truth, if a guy doesn't have the guts to approach you he doesn't want you that much. But if you were the girl of his dreams he would do anything to talk to you, even if you say no the first time. I will say hi to guys in online dating but not in other places. I'll smile and give subtle hints instead. So if a woman isn't giving hints, she's not interested

[SLICENSLASH]

@BronzeTrinity, No it doesn't make sense. You can't trick a guy into chasing you. Infact if a guy feels tricked he'll often turn vindictive. And nowadays its getting harder to trap a man into marrying you, becuz men are wising up to the imbalanced marriage laws (believe it or not women should really be on men's side on that).

Its gets very hard to believe in the gender equality claim when women continue to believe in such passive & manipulative practices. U want to advance in one area(money),..

[BronzeTrinity]

@SLICENSLASH Whatever, chase all the men you like...they will call you desperate and reject you. Sleep with them right away too and you won't hear from them again. Men don't commit to easy women. I'll just do things my way because it hasn't had negative consequences. Chasing men has. I think I'm done with this conversation.

[SLICENSLASH]

@BronzeTrinity, As I said I don't disagree with many basic points in this vid, but I do think women need to learn to talk to/approach men (Game), because men have just as much desires to be wanted and just as much hang ups about being used as women do (and its clear the days of women staying in the rear are over).

Its obvious many men are taking the time & effort to develop Game to relate to women & make them feel good, bcuz the ones that don't, get ignored. Hence the complaining online.

[SLICENSLASH]

@BronzeTrinity, And if you run into guys that don't appreciate "moderate" attention (becuz not many ppl like needy ppl), then you know ur messing with the wrong guy, and he has issues of his own.

But good luck to you. I have no malice toward ppl trying to live the best life they can. I was just giving opinions on the video u posted I assume thats why u put it up.

[BronzeTrinity]

@SLICENSLASH The book He's Just Not That Into You really changed my life. I know it's by a comedian, but it opened my eyes to a new way of acting. I approached guys in the past (e.g. at school or work). They saw how much I was into them and they used my feelings to take advantage of me. I put myself out there too much in the beginning. Now I let the men do that but I don't take advantage of them and don't waste time with guys who could care less. It just works better and everyone is happy.

[SLICENSLASH]

@BronzeTrinity,...but retard your growth when it comes to knowing how to talk to, interact, & overall treat men. Its as if women don't respect men as people, but rather just as animals/workhorses.

Very puzzling to me.

[SLICENSLASH]

@BronzeTrinity,...were foolish enough to try to augment their persona's to appeal to what these females liked in their youth. Also the young men who pushed on to advance themselves thru education would be ignored until they panned out to become successful.

So whereas women can have companionship all thru out their progression to adulthood & a career(bad choices & all), Men must struggle thru solitude as they work their way up to being deemed worthy.

[SLICENSLASH]

@BronzeTrinity, this vid is a perfect example of the contradiction women present men with throughout their lives. The choices men are forced to make inorder to appeal to women are that lifestyle choices whereas those choices which women make are merely aesthetic.

With your own words you spoke of the difference in selection women make in men based on their own achievement as they age. But you fail to acknowledge this means women are just using men as stepping stones. Leaving behind men who...

[gulmoh]

NO, why should we nerdy men wait? Fck that! If you didn't give me a chance when I was younger, why should I give you a chance after you've been used and abused by thugs and no good men?

Now that I'm a physician, I have those same women coming at me. I lead them on, and then tell them I'm taking and married to my beautiful Blond white woman.

that usually pisses them off.

[BronzeTrinity]

Wow you have got to read the NYT article I have linked in the description box because it really affirms what I'm saying. Marriages across education levels is on the decline. More importantly, marriages where women have more education than the me are the MOST LIKELY to divorce!

[QLEANQLASSY]

======well stated and explained ====I can agree with many parts of this

[BronzeTrinity]

@QLEANQLASSY Thanks for the comment! I'm expecting to get a lot of negative comments from this but, it needs to be said so that people understand. Many of these women know these things but they know not to say it to guys. So they say instead they want the white collar, education, or good man to spare their feelings. It's like saying someone is not your type instead of the truth that you don't find them attractive. A lot of men I commented on are blue collar and they don't like me one bit!

[QLEANQLASSY]

@BronzeTrinity ======= i dont think thats true i think your over assuming, think instead that by you using the words some............it will be better recvd........i spoke today with a woman who admitted and agreed there are lots of availb. good men .....95% even she said ==but she admits she and sistas like her want the 5% that other races are getting ....so your class point is well said