there is something called volunteer taxes. where i live(buenos aires) recently the government gave the people the option to stop paying for subsidized electricity if they were able to. those who were able completed a form and send it to a centralized agency and they were billed the full cost of what they consumed.
of course this is full of bulshit in argentina because we are getting into a crisis that would lead to charge the full cost to everybody in a few months... but still the idea is good.
the basic flaws are not in what the king does, it is on the ignorance and egocentrism of the people. as a good king you would have to keep a transparent curatin, so everybody could see what happens on the inside.
as a good king the first thing, the very first thing you have to give people is education, not money.
the human, by nature is egocentric, and because of that maybe we could not archeive an utopia.
it has an optimist view about human nature...personally i wouldn't be that sure that people would spontaneously create a magic goodie goodie society without somebody trying to protect basic rules -civil and political rights- with force IF NECESSARY.the State also gives us educational institutions which teach us how to criticize the State itself.it's nice to know that if somebody threatens you, you have institutions like the police which certainly can do more to protect you than yourself alone
Man, you may be right. But no one can negate that in a few seconds, our stuggles, loves, defeats and victories, all should be side by side with the egiptian pyramids dust, on the ray of time. Sorry. Focus on the chaos organization theory, and stop being something as an old repetitive idiot programed brain.
This should be made into a board game called King Me where the object is to rule the world crushing the spirit of humanity using all the nice euphemisms of statism like helping the poor and for your own good.
Well, we could go to a completely capitalist society where you pay for schools and health care and everything with your own money and you fund the roads you use. BUT who is going to build roads, who is going to maintain hospitals. It all needs money. Where does that money come from? If it was all based on donations, well i'd keep all my money to myself.
I think taxation should be taken at a local level and therefor spent on you and you alone.
Study "Walter Block - A future of private roads" before you espouse you irrelevant BS. I have even found you a link to the very big book that is completely free..... mises.org/resources/4084
Ok Bad example.... Interesting reading (not that I have read all of it!). However I find it hard to think of how we can not have some level of authority, for example who removes dangerous people from the streets and puts them where they can cause no harm until they are rehabilitated ETC. We can never agree on everything, everyone in society, so with some things: law, defence etc. we must just accept what the majority thinks and pay the taxes warrented else we go nowhere.
Hi Alex. I understand that it is difficult to vision how a society would work without a central authority dictating how we live our lives. Many people believe that anarchism is a system without rules and regulation, this is completely incorrect. Anarchism is a system without a government. There are many rules in your life that you obey without government. You pay your loans back because you want an ability to take up new loans, not because of government. Many other examples.
Let me give you the quick explanation: If we had no government you would take up a lot of insurance against all kinds of troubles right? You would be worried about a lot of things right? The insurance company would then be worried about you facing these problems(rape,murder,theft etc) because it would cost them a lot. Check out Stefan Molyneux - Practical anarchy for more. Have a good one
Maybe you should study anarchism instead of just espousing your beliefs. Do the names of Hans Hermann Hoppe, Murray Rothbard, and Stefan Molyneux mean anything to you? If not, please study Hans Hermann hoppes "Democracy, the god that failed" and Stefan Molyneuxs "Practical anarchy" both books that can be found for free for mor info. When you have read these books you will understand why bad people will not be well off in an anarchic society. And no, they will not be shot in the streets
Unfortunately anarchy doesn't work with reality because there always seems to be a group of people that will team up to enslave you, so you might as well do what you can get the masters you want. I know, it is a catch 22, but that's reality. I think in that case a libertarian government would be best. It defends the nation, enforces contracts and property right and there you go.
@eurohim The argument that governments are "inevitable" is the worst possible argument I've encountered for having or keeping government, yet it's perhaps the most common among minarchists. It is pure fatalism, the philosophical equivalent of saying we should kill everyone because it is inevitable they will die.
@eurohim How does an anarchist society not get overrun by another society with a government who puts a lot of stock into their military? There would be no national military. It would likely be small pockets of cooperation if they did raise a militia which would be easily overrun by say a Russia, China or USA. Governments always want to increase their influence and a military-less society would be a group of potential vassals. I don't see a way around. What is the way around that?
@eurohim Doesn't matter. Robbing another human being at gunpoint is not morally excusable by saying 'but I'm going to use the money to protect myself and others'.
The point of this video is that government is immoral, not that it is impractical, even though it is.
@eurohim You didn't get any answer because you weren't asking any relevant questions.
The video was about morality. Not practicality. If you want to assume whatever you're assuming about a Stateless society, feel free. You'd almost certainly be wrong, but feel free. Just don't claim that I'm not addressing the issue, when you're the one who asked 'but who will pick the cotton if we free the slaves?' when we're saying 'the practice of slavery is immoral'.
Hi Euro, study practical anarchy by Stefan Molyneux to understand why what you say here is becoming more and more unlikely with the level of productivity in our society. Its an audiobook and you can download it for free. No excuse to stay ignorant my brother. Write me personally if you want me to send it to your email.
id love to be king for a day i would get rid of the welfare programs that fund lazy able bodied people that somehow dont think they have to work a job when the rest of us do, the illegals, shrink government dramatically and make deep cuts in the budget, and a flat tax system so we wouldnt need the irs and their complicated tax laws.
thats all good and dandy and would work if all people had common sense and respect for their fellow men. however, this is not the case and there are people that will always want power and take control of somebody else. lets say there was no govt, then eventually somebody would want to take advantage of someone else and form a group to take over a piece of land, etc, etc.. we all know this. things like jealousy, fear, greed are what drive people to do horrible things.
Hi Planchik. I just wanna say that I disagree with your analysis here. You are right about the nature of man but I believe you are wrong about mans possibility to enslave his fellow men. Historically you have been right, since all areas are ruled by a government indicating you are right. However, there are plenty of reasons why anarchism/voluntarism becomes more and more likely as productivity increases. Productivity makes cooperation more profitable than coersion. Write me for more.
@niklasbastholmhansen just to clarify - i'm not a big fan of the govt. abusive govt especially. however, not everyone (by far) has the mentality like ourselves towards others. people are inherently inclined towards bad rather than good. thats a fact. so suppose we have nothing to enforce certain ways of the society then, as i said before, there will be others that won't want to work for the good of the group and help others, but will just want to take whats already there. its bound to happen.
Hi Planchik. You and I are not the same. You want to use violence against people who do not live up to your laws by putting them in jail. You want the power to tell me how to live my life, and if I dont live up to your rules you will use violence against me. Even though we have had nothing to do with eachother. A government is the worst thing you can introduce if you believe men are inherently evil. Study Anarcho capitalism, dont just tell us your worries. You are factually wrong
@niklasbastholmhansen you dont even know me how are you going to tell me what i want and dont want? i dont like violence nor would i ever care to put my foot on someone's throat. all im saying is that a form of laws is necessary, otherwise we'd have somalia all over again.
This is an incredibly over-simplistic propaganda piece. You could use the exact same argument here to make claims against any taxes, or having any socially positive programs such as a police force or fire department. "What if someone doesn't want to pay their hard earned dollars to put out someone else's fire!" "People should police themselves!! I don't want my hard earned money keeping you safe from being gang raped by thugs!!!" ......The end result of such a society of total chaos.
@frankensteinmoneymac It was simplistic because the point was simple: all state power is attained through force. It's worse to redistribute wealth than to use the government to protect people from harm because you are at least paying for a service, even though you are forced, that benefits you as an individual. And I don't think you've really thought about how a society with no taxes would work. It's an incredibly over-simplistic view to say that this necessarily leads to total chaos.
@erwinthehamsandwich Actually it's not....Or can you give me an example of a modern society that works without such constructs? One example is the more barren areas of the Middle East.A place where some of the worse violence from inter-tribal warfare & violations of human rights within the modern world can be seen. Wild speculation about how things would be better without governance are based on nothing but very uneducated guesses. Feel free to prove me wrong with real world examples though! :)
@frankensteinmoneymac You clearly didn't think this through. :) Look at everything except the government and you will see a society working out voluntarily its own problems. For example. Your friends. You and your friends make a small society on its own. Do you try to use force on them to change their minds? Do you take their money and say that its for their own protection? No! You don't! (i hope) And yet you voluntarily work and play together. Everywhere you look there is voluntarism.
@dzikv01 Ah, I see you can't give an example of this working in the real world on a continental scale. It's nice to imagine you are right with absolutely no evidence whatsoever. It's quite simple....the larger a system is, the more chaotic it becomes. Where you're examples might work in the micro, it falls apart in the macro. This is why you need laws and governing. This is not only common sense....it's been proven throughout history. But please show me your historical proof.
"The future will be nothing like the past". -Stefan Molyneux.
Maybe I'm beating a dead horse here, but I gotta go with the slavery analogy again. Saying that there has never been an example of a society that did not practice human ownership is not "proof" that universal human freedom cannot work.
It's just proof that it's never been tried before. The same could be said of any 'new thing'. The wheel had 'never been tried' before somebody figured out a use for a wheel.
Ah, yes. The old 'but who will pick the cotton if we free the slaves' argument.
We meet again!
Anyway... the simplest response to that request is... No. I won't & anybody else who decides to respond to you shouldn't. Or shouldn't have to, at least.
Because we're not making a practical argument. We're making a moral one.
I could tell you that it is 100% certain, that if I were to rape a particular woman, the resultant child would cure cancer.
@moshe88 Hey, I'm all for finding some Island and letting those who want to 'op out' of a Government system live there and take care of themselves, with no police force, firefighters, public schools (etc.) That would take away the 'moral' argument right there.
@frankensteinmoneymac Not really. That's operating under the assumption that whatever local government has a legitimate claim to the land & can use it to compel people to either participate or leave.
Not that I wouldn't be the first one on the plane, ship, kayak, raft or patched up inner tube out to such an island. Hell, I'll swim.
I mean, if some random stranger came to your home, pointed a gun at you & told you to pay the rent money or leave, would you say it was ok because he said "or leave"?
@frankensteinmoneymac I'm all for finding some island where all those who want to 'op in' for governent to live and I found just such an island. Its called prison. By the way anarchists aren't opposed to police, fire fighters, roads etc. We're opposed to a violent monopoly where only the government gets to decide policy for everybody. We anarchist will stop opposing your governments if they put down their violent monopolies.
@SethofWinnipeg ok, but who decides how to manage the money that goes to the police, the hospitals, the fire fighters, etc. there is always going to be the need of someone or someones to organize(not control) everithing.
@pepilindo Who decides how to manage the money that goes to you local grocer, restaurant owner or any service provider (the government is a service provider too). I'm more than happy to give money to a road construction service provider directly and skip the government middle man. I don't worry about good management in this situation because I can always cut funding where as the King owns my property and if he is just or not its all arbitrary. Not good.
@frankensteinmoneymac im fine with the police and firemen having their jobs and funds, the disabled, soldiers, and public school funds! im not fine with giving money to illegals, welfare leeches, and welfare nations that take our money! too much of anything is not good such as right now we have a massively large government and it is way too intrusive in our everyday lives, business industry, its preventing job creation, and harboring too much spending!
@mandy26lez Hmmmm You're getting all your news from Fox & Rush Limbaugh aren't you? Instead of listening to 'Liberal Intellectuals' with all their 'fancy degrees' & 'elitist brains'. You might want to try. Else you could just research the raw fact themselves If you did you'd see that nations with things like Free Health care actually end up paying MUCH less of a % of their GNP & provide BETTER healthcare than the US, or that The economic crash was due to too LITTLE regulation of Business/Banks
@frankensteinmoneymac actually i dont have much time to watch television i work 60+ hrs a week as a pharmacologist so i am smarter than the claimed "liberal intellectuals" and i have the "fancy degree" and the "elitest brains!" obviously you didnt know who you were dealing with so im going to give you a pass! now onto "free healthcare" there is no such thing that money has to come from somewhere and its usually me and the millions of others that pay taxes while the others just take and take!
@mandy26lez Except every single Modern Western Nation that Pays for Free Health Care, ends up spending less of a percentage of their Gross National Product on Health care than America does..and by an ENORMOUS margin! Go on, Look it up!..And they have health care systems that are equal or better than our own...Go on...Look it up!.Also, If you're truly against paying for others Health Care then you'd better not have Health Insurance, it's the same basic principal of saving money by pooling it.
there is something called volunteer taxes. where i live(buenos aires) recently the government gave the people the option to stop paying for subsidized electricity if they were able to. those who were able completed a form and send it to a centralized agency and they were billed the full cost of what they consumed.
of course this is full of bulshit in argentina because we are getting into a crisis that would lead to charge the full cost to everybody in a few months... but still the idea is good.
pepilindo 1 week ago
the basic flaws are not in what the king does, it is on the ignorance and egocentrism of the people. as a good king you would have to keep a transparent curatin, so everybody could see what happens on the inside.
as a good king the first thing, the very first thing you have to give people is education, not money.
the human, by nature is egocentric, and because of that maybe we could not archeive an utopia.
pepilindo 1 week ago
This has to be the cutest tyranny EVER.
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it has an optimist view about human nature...personally i wouldn't be that sure that people would spontaneously create a magic goodie goodie society without somebody trying to protect basic rules -civil and political rights- with force IF NECESSARY.the State also gives us educational institutions which teach us how to criticize the State itself.it's nice to know that if somebody threatens you, you have institutions like the police which certainly can do more to protect you than yourself alone
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Man, you may be right. But no one can negate that in a few seconds, our stuggles, loves, defeats and victories, all should be side by side with the egiptian pyramids dust, on the ray of time. Sorry. Focus on the chaos organization theory, and stop being something as an old repetitive idiot programed brain.
miguelmouta 2 months ago
this video has really upped my moral ... now up yours too
teddymarvelle 3 months ago
This should be made into a board game called King Me where the object is to rule the world crushing the spirit of humanity using all the nice euphemisms of statism like helping the poor and for your own good.
SethofWinnipeg 3 months ago
Well, we could go to a completely capitalist society where you pay for schools and health care and everything with your own money and you fund the roads you use. BUT who is going to build roads, who is going to maintain hospitals. It all needs money. Where does that money come from? If it was all based on donations, well i'd keep all my money to myself.
I think taxation should be taken at a local level and therefor spent on you and you alone.
alex471996 3 months ago
@alex471996
Study "Walter Block - A future of private roads" before you espouse you irrelevant BS. I have even found you a link to the very big book that is completely free..... mises.org/resources/4084
niklasbastholmhansen 3 months ago
@niklasbastholmhansen
Ok Bad example.... Interesting reading (not that I have read all of it!). However I find it hard to think of how we can not have some level of authority, for example who removes dangerous people from the streets and puts them where they can cause no harm until they are rehabilitated ETC. We can never agree on everything, everyone in society, so with some things: law, defence etc. we must just accept what the majority thinks and pay the taxes warrented else we go nowhere.
alex471996 3 months ago
@alex471996
Hi Alex. I understand that it is difficult to vision how a society would work without a central authority dictating how we live our lives. Many people believe that anarchism is a system without rules and regulation, this is completely incorrect. Anarchism is a system without a government. There are many rules in your life that you obey without government. You pay your loans back because you want an ability to take up new loans, not because of government. Many other examples.
niklasbastholmhansen 3 months ago
Svar på denne video ...
Let me give you the quick explanation: If we had no government you would take up a lot of insurance against all kinds of troubles right? You would be worried about a lot of things right? The insurance company would then be worried about you facing these problems(rape,murder,theft etc) because it would cost them a lot. Check out Stefan Molyneux - Practical anarchy for more. Have a good one
niklasbastholmhansen 3 months ago
Anarchy would ,for sure ,be worse than democracy, even if democracy is
corrupted or imperfect.In an anarchic society,
There will always be an asshole somewhere out to fuck you over on first occasion.
Human race is fucked up .If only we could be as good as the animals and insects who live on this planet.
nobusio 3 months ago
@nobusio
Maybe you should study anarchism instead of just espousing your beliefs. Do the names of Hans Hermann Hoppe, Murray Rothbard, and Stefan Molyneux mean anything to you? If not, please study Hans Hermann hoppes "Democracy, the god that failed" and Stefan Molyneuxs "Practical anarchy" both books that can be found for free for mor info. When you have read these books you will understand why bad people will not be well off in an anarchic society. And no, they will not be shot in the streets
niklasbastholmhansen 3 months ago
Dippin Dots. The ice cream of the future!
inncntcrmnl 3 months ago
Liked and Shared LibertyChick09, i'm becoming a big fan of Larken Rose's work. Thanks for the upload!
drumknuckle 3 months ago
Unfortunately anarchy doesn't work with reality because there always seems to be a group of people that will team up to enslave you, so you might as well do what you can get the masters you want. I know, it is a catch 22, but that's reality. I think in that case a libertarian government would be best. It defends the nation, enforces contracts and property right and there you go.
eurohim 3 months ago
@eurohim The argument that governments are "inevitable" is the worst possible argument I've encountered for having or keeping government, yet it's perhaps the most common among minarchists. It is pure fatalism, the philosophical equivalent of saying we should kill everyone because it is inevitable they will die.
batmanthe 3 months ago
@eurohim How does an anarchist society not get overrun by another society with a government who puts a lot of stock into their military? There would be no national military. It would likely be small pockets of cooperation if they did raise a militia which would be easily overrun by say a Russia, China or USA. Governments always want to increase their influence and a military-less society would be a group of potential vassals. I don't see a way around. What is the way around that?
eurohim 3 months ago
@eurohim Doesn't matter. Robbing another human being at gunpoint is not morally excusable by saying 'but I'm going to use the money to protect myself and others'.
The point of this video is that government is immoral, not that it is impractical, even though it is.
moshe88 3 months ago
@moshe88 No answer. Got it.
eurohim 3 months ago
@eurohim You didn't get any answer because you weren't asking any relevant questions.
The video was about morality. Not practicality. If you want to assume whatever you're assuming about a Stateless society, feel free. You'd almost certainly be wrong, but feel free. Just don't claim that I'm not addressing the issue, when you're the one who asked 'but who will pick the cotton if we free the slaves?' when we're saying 'the practice of slavery is immoral'.
moshe88 3 months ago
@eurohim
Hi Euro, study practical anarchy by Stefan Molyneux to understand why what you say here is becoming more and more unlikely with the level of productivity in our society. Its an audiobook and you can download it for free. No excuse to stay ignorant my brother. Write me personally if you want me to send it to your email.
niklasbastholmhansen 3 months ago
id love to be king for a day i would get rid of the welfare programs that fund lazy able bodied people that somehow dont think they have to work a job when the rest of us do, the illegals, shrink government dramatically and make deep cuts in the budget, and a flat tax system so we wouldnt need the irs and their complicated tax laws.
mandy26lez 3 months ago
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Show his vid to all the Wall Street occupiers.
deltaarnet 3 months ago
thats all good and dandy and would work if all people had common sense and respect for their fellow men. however, this is not the case and there are people that will always want power and take control of somebody else. lets say there was no govt, then eventually somebody would want to take advantage of someone else and form a group to take over a piece of land, etc, etc.. we all know this. things like jealousy, fear, greed are what drive people to do horrible things.
planchik 3 months ago
@planchik
Hi Planchik. I just wanna say that I disagree with your analysis here. You are right about the nature of man but I believe you are wrong about mans possibility to enslave his fellow men. Historically you have been right, since all areas are ruled by a government indicating you are right. However, there are plenty of reasons why anarchism/voluntarism becomes more and more likely as productivity increases. Productivity makes cooperation more profitable than coersion. Write me for more.
niklasbastholmhansen 3 months ago
@niklasbastholmhansen just to clarify - i'm not a big fan of the govt. abusive govt especially. however, not everyone (by far) has the mentality like ourselves towards others. people are inherently inclined towards bad rather than good. thats a fact. so suppose we have nothing to enforce certain ways of the society then, as i said before, there will be others that won't want to work for the good of the group and help others, but will just want to take whats already there. its bound to happen.
planchik 3 months ago
@planchik
Hi Planchik. You and I are not the same. You want to use violence against people who do not live up to your laws by putting them in jail. You want the power to tell me how to live my life, and if I dont live up to your rules you will use violence against me. Even though we have had nothing to do with eachother. A government is the worst thing you can introduce if you believe men are inherently evil. Study Anarcho capitalism, dont just tell us your worries. You are factually wrong
niklasbastholmhansen 3 months ago
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@niklasbastholmhansen you dont even know me how are you going to tell me what i want and dont want? i dont like violence nor would i ever care to put my foot on someone's throat. all im saying is that a form of laws is necessary, otherwise we'd have somalia all over again.
planchik 3 months ago
An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens. - Thomas Jefferson
RatkoUSA 3 months ago 7
We should force everyone to watch this lol.
TheAmazingJimmy 3 months ago 6
fail after 2mins
411smiths 3 months ago
That's a good one! Thanks for posting this.
freesk8 3 months ago
that was a waste of time
carehappens 3 months ago
This is an incredibly over-simplistic propaganda piece. You could use the exact same argument here to make claims against any taxes, or having any socially positive programs such as a police force or fire department. "What if someone doesn't want to pay their hard earned dollars to put out someone else's fire!" "People should police themselves!! I don't want my hard earned money keeping you safe from being gang raped by thugs!!!" ......The end result of such a society of total chaos.
frankensteinmoneymac 3 months ago
@frankensteinmoneymac You didn't watch the whole thing hey?
DrPhallus 3 months ago
@frankensteinmoneymac It was simplistic because the point was simple: all state power is attained through force. It's worse to redistribute wealth than to use the government to protect people from harm because you are at least paying for a service, even though you are forced, that benefits you as an individual. And I don't think you've really thought about how a society with no taxes would work. It's an incredibly over-simplistic view to say that this necessarily leads to total chaos.
erwinthehamsandwich 3 months ago
@erwinthehamsandwich Actually it's not....Or can you give me an example of a modern society that works without such constructs? One example is the more barren areas of the Middle East.A place where some of the worse violence from inter-tribal warfare & violations of human rights within the modern world can be seen. Wild speculation about how things would be better without governance are based on nothing but very uneducated guesses. Feel free to prove me wrong with real world examples though! :)
frankensteinmoneymac 3 months ago
@frankensteinmoneymac You clearly didn't think this through. :) Look at everything except the government and you will see a society working out voluntarily its own problems. For example. Your friends. You and your friends make a small society on its own. Do you try to use force on them to change their minds? Do you take their money and say that its for their own protection? No! You don't! (i hope) And yet you voluntarily work and play together. Everywhere you look there is voluntarism.
dzikv01 3 months ago
@dzikv01 Ah, I see you can't give an example of this working in the real world on a continental scale. It's nice to imagine you are right with absolutely no evidence whatsoever. It's quite simple....the larger a system is, the more chaotic it becomes. Where you're examples might work in the micro, it falls apart in the macro. This is why you need laws and governing. This is not only common sense....it's been proven throughout history. But please show me your historical proof.
frankensteinmoneymac 3 months ago
@frankensteinmoneymac
"The future will be nothing like the past". -Stefan Molyneux.
Maybe I'm beating a dead horse here, but I gotta go with the slavery analogy again. Saying that there has never been an example of a society that did not practice human ownership is not "proof" that universal human freedom cannot work.
It's just proof that it's never been tried before. The same could be said of any 'new thing'. The wheel had 'never been tried' before somebody figured out a use for a wheel.
moshe88 3 months ago
@frankensteinmoneymac
Ah, yes. The old 'but who will pick the cotton if we free the slaves' argument.
We meet again!
Anyway... the simplest response to that request is... No. I won't & anybody else who decides to respond to you shouldn't. Or shouldn't have to, at least.
Because we're not making a practical argument. We're making a moral one.
I could tell you that it is 100% certain, that if I were to rape a particular woman, the resultant child would cure cancer.
That wouldn't make it right.
moshe88 3 months ago
@moshe88 Hey, I'm all for finding some Island and letting those who want to 'op out' of a Government system live there and take care of themselves, with no police force, firefighters, public schools (etc.) That would take away the 'moral' argument right there.
frankensteinmoneymac 3 months ago
@frankensteinmoneymac Not really. That's operating under the assumption that whatever local government has a legitimate claim to the land & can use it to compel people to either participate or leave.
Not that I wouldn't be the first one on the plane, ship, kayak, raft or patched up inner tube out to such an island. Hell, I'll swim.
I mean, if some random stranger came to your home, pointed a gun at you & told you to pay the rent money or leave, would you say it was ok because he said "or leave"?
moshe88 3 months ago
@frankensteinmoneymac I'm all for finding some island where all those who want to 'op in' for governent to live and I found just such an island. Its called prison. By the way anarchists aren't opposed to police, fire fighters, roads etc. We're opposed to a violent monopoly where only the government gets to decide policy for everybody. We anarchist will stop opposing your governments if they put down their violent monopolies.
SethofWinnipeg 3 months ago
@SethofWinnipeg ok, but who decides how to manage the money that goes to the police, the hospitals, the fire fighters, etc. there is always going to be the need of someone or someones to organize(not control) everithing.
pepilindo 1 week ago
@pepilindo Who decides how to manage the money that goes to you local grocer, restaurant owner or any service provider (the government is a service provider too). I'm more than happy to give money to a road construction service provider directly and skip the government middle man. I don't worry about good management in this situation because I can always cut funding where as the King owns my property and if he is just or not its all arbitrary. Not good.
SethofWinnipeg 3 days ago
@frankensteinmoneymac im fine with the police and firemen having their jobs and funds, the disabled, soldiers, and public school funds! im not fine with giving money to illegals, welfare leeches, and welfare nations that take our money! too much of anything is not good such as right now we have a massively large government and it is way too intrusive in our everyday lives, business industry, its preventing job creation, and harboring too much spending!
mandy26lez 3 months ago 2
@mandy26lez Hmmmm You're getting all your news from Fox & Rush Limbaugh aren't you? Instead of listening to 'Liberal Intellectuals' with all their 'fancy degrees' & 'elitist brains'. You might want to try. Else you could just research the raw fact themselves If you did you'd see that nations with things like Free Health care actually end up paying MUCH less of a % of their GNP & provide BETTER healthcare than the US, or that The economic crash was due to too LITTLE regulation of Business/Banks
frankensteinmoneymac 3 months ago
@frankensteinmoneymac actually i dont have much time to watch television i work 60+ hrs a week as a pharmacologist so i am smarter than the claimed "liberal intellectuals" and i have the "fancy degree" and the "elitest brains!" obviously you didnt know who you were dealing with so im going to give you a pass! now onto "free healthcare" there is no such thing that money has to come from somewhere and its usually me and the millions of others that pay taxes while the others just take and take!
mandy26lez 3 months ago
@mandy26lez Except every single Modern Western Nation that Pays for Free Health Care, ends up spending less of a percentage of their Gross National Product on Health care than America does..and by an ENORMOUS margin! Go on, Look it up!..And they have health care systems that are equal or better than our own...Go on...Look it up!.Also, If you're truly against paying for others Health Care then you'd better not have Health Insurance, it's the same basic principal of saving money by pooling it.
frankensteinmoneymac 3 months ago
Absolute power corrupts absolutely!
crypter27 3 months ago 2
@crypter27 The absolutr currupt are the only who seek power
seth1hades 3 months ago
@crypter27 The absolute currupt are the only who seek power
seth1hades 3 months ago
@seth1hades So true,control freaks seek power!
crypter27 3 months ago
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daskopfseingeil 3 months ago
first
thecupcakeman69 3 months ago
@thecupcakeman69 yeah and your point?
mandy26lez 3 months ago
@mandy26lez I think its self explanatory
thecupcakeman69 3 months ago