When you said, "Seek My Face," My heart said, " Your face, Lord, I will seek. Do not hide Your face from me; Do not turn Your servant away in anger; You have been my help; Do not leave me nor forsake me, O God of my salvation. When my father and my mother forsake me, Then they Lord will take care of me. Teach me Your way, O Lord, And lead me in a smooth path, because of my enemies. Do not deliver me to the will of my adersaries; For false witnesses have risen against me. Psalms 27:8-12
I watched this movie called 180 movie it was very good if you are pro-life or pro-choice, watch this award winning documentary and see where you stand at the end.
My opinion om this may not matter to anyone. But it needs to come out.. People all say "Its just a fetus" "it was only 12 weeks"... Think about it people, we were all "just a fetus" and"only 12 weeks" and look where we are today.. These fetuses turn into human beinga just like us. They can have feelings, and make a difference in this world too.. If your pro towards abortions.. Just think whay if your mother would have been to?
I understand what you guys are all saying... but in all honesty as far as i am concerned, there is no such :life... until after the first 2 or 3 months......
I wonder when education will improve. Our youth need to learn that fetuses are not babies. There's a clear distinction. One that's clear to see if you look hard enough.
@TheRebornlovexoxo Fetuses are developing INTO babies, which is why they are not called babies until they actually become them. A baby is capable of breathing air; a fetus's lungs are not developed enough, therefore it cannot begin life as a baby yet, therefore it ISN'T a baby yet!. Not really that hard to grasp.
@vgman94 and what exactly is that distinction, since it is so clear? because i've seen the Embryology... and that makes it pretty clear that the unborn are human.
@MarysMyMom "are human" That is not the point. Not everything human deserves rights. Hair doesn't deserve rights, nails don't deserve rights. We give ourselves rights to protect interests, including the right to happiness and freedom. We need these because we have minds, to think, feel, want and care. A fetus doesn't have any of these. To it, aborting it is like never waking up. Like never existing. It's all about the mind, not the species or whether it looks like a baby.
@vgman94 What do you think is happening in our country today in regards to our crises population? We don't have enough people. Look in nursing homes, hospitals, schools. We don't have enough teachers. We don't have enough people to take care of those who could be at home but are in a nursing home because there is no one to take care of them, and hospitals are always short staffed because we don't have enough nurses and doctors. Those babies could have been those people
@LovedbcHim (Part 2) In reality, we have more than enough people, but the economy is growth based and that is doomed to fail. Infinite growth on a finite planet is not possible, no matter what an economist tells you. As for "could have been", they also could've been murderers, animal abusers, conservatives who fight against the rights of animals, the environment and women. Babies could be anything, good or bad. Saying they could've been only positive is childish and unrealistic.
@LovedbcHim Fetuses look like babies, but babies cry, need to eat, want to be held by their mothers and maybe their fathers. A fetus isn't like a baby and you comparing them is an insult to babies. Alive physically, but not mentally like you, me, or any creature born on this planet. We don't have enough people? Yet there are still poor people, there's still jobless people, there's still criminal populations that don't srink and causes and preventation measures for those aren't pursued.
You act like the baby is a lifeless robot. From the moment it attaches itself to the uterus, it is a baby. Undeveloped, but it is a baby. That baby will grow into an adult and hell, who knows, may be the president of the united states. Just because it is undeveloped, you are going to kill it because it can't have an opinion or thoughts or emotions? It's really cruel.
@MsChihuahua9700 "That baby will grow into an adult and hell, who knows, may be the president of the united states" It also might be a psychopath who murders and eats children. The argument of potential is really lousy one.
Cruelty is an entirely different topic all together. Unless you are an experienced rhetorician, I doubt you can attempt to answer what makes an act cruel, or what, essentially, is cruelty.
@MsChihuahua9700 says: From the moment it attaches itself to the uterus, it is a baby.
~~~~~~~~ babies wear diapers, coo, drool, say mama, eat applesause, crawl, play patty-a-cake, laugh, scream, have temper tantrums, laugh, plan, think , emote and the list goes one...thats NOT an embryo or a fetus. Stop your childish lying.
@MsChihuahua9700 says: ho knows, may be the president of the united states.
~~~~~~~~ It could also be a mass murderer...how old dare you? you clearly fall too short in your capacity for principle-level and abstract thinking to debate this matter
Abortion is completely wrong. It's not the baby's fault, but yet the mother "chooses" to murder her unborn child. Plain and simple. It's murder. Why should someone be allowed to get away with murder because it's unborn and she's the mother? I don't care how you got the baby inside you, but give it up for adoption and stop being selfish. There are so many potential parents that are not able to have children that would love to have your child.
@MsChihuahua9700 Lol grammar nazi much? So.. not only are you a sex-nazi, but also a grammar-nazi. Abortion is not murder- you cannot murder a non-person. A fetus is not a person. You have no idea who or what you are talking about when you generalize women the way you do- you have no idea why she, or I, or any woman has an abortion! Why do you think /I/ had an abortion? Did you know that /IF/ i actually HAD the option of adoption, I'd have gladly chosen that? That I had no choice? Fuck you nazi.
@ryddelwearsahat A FETUS IS A FUCKING UNBORN BABY!!! IT ISNT A NON-PERSON!! ITS NOT THE BABY'S FAULT YOU HAVE TO FUCKING KILL IT. IT CAN'T SPEAK FOR ITSELF!!! WHATEVER THEIR FUCKING SITUATION, AT LEAST HAVE SOME FUCKING MORALS!!
@MsChihuahua9700 Capslock=cruise control for cool. No, babies' are born- we celebrate birthdays, not conception or fuck days. A fetus cannot speak, period- it has no opinions, memories, thoughts or emotions- it's brain has not developed enough nor has it had enough input to retain in memory for it to be a person. It is a human shell, but certainly not a person. Yes,orals- if a pregnancy puts a woman at risk, her life in infinitely more valuable than a chunk of developing meat.
@MsChihuahua9700 says: FETUS IS A FUCKING UNBORN BABY!!! IT ISNT A NON-PERSON!!
~~~~~~~~~~~ PROLIFE LIAR, or dumbass, which is it. A non perosn is is one who lacks, loses, or is forcibly denied social or legal status, especially basic human rights, or who effectively ceases to have a record, or never had a record of their existence within a society from a point of view of traceability, documentation, or existence. A fetus IS a non person. take some pride in yourself & the things you say.
@ryddelwearsahat I completely agree, by the definition of the word "murder" abortion cannot be murder. I'm sorry i value and person over a human.Just because it has the genetic make up of a human does not make it a person, thus it's not murder.
@w108dab1 Yes, I made a choice to have sex- and had the guy wear a condom- I chose NOT to get pregnant. The condom breaking was a mistake- as was the conception. I took responsibility and had an abortion. Don't tell me what I did and did not do or think or choose.
@w108dab1 says: You made the choice to fuck around like stupid dumb bitch in the first place that got in pregnant. You made a choice then
~~~~~~~~~ yep and she choose to abort. Dont like it? too bad... By the way, Id love to meet your mother who obvioulsy had a hand in making you hate women..lol
The most fundamental right is "The Right to be Born". It seems stupid to ask, but have you ever heard the old Slavery adage? It's bulletproof in displaying privileged morality for what it is: Everyone who ever support slavery was free. Everyone who ever supported abortion was born. That's how oppression works.
To me, the disregard of the OPPRESSION of an unborn human, is the single most selfish & callous of all feminist rhetoric
Abortion isn't right, but it doesn't mean you should judge. God still loves them.. They just have to live with the decision that they made. You can always pray for their healing though. God will hear and answer your prayers.
It's true, we shouldn't judge women who have had abortions because there is forgiveness in Christ, but pro-choice also does not need to advertise that it's o.k to have an abortion, when pro-choice really isn't all that pro-choice, no offense. And also, a strong woman would not walk out of that abortion clinic happy or relieved. Usually they would be crying and realizing that they just helped take a life.
Nuclear weapons, population control and Vegan are the most critical issues from my experiences, research and service in peace corps. Vegetarians reduce world hunger, environment, health care and billions of tortured conscious mammals, fast facts at goveg (dot) com/theissues.asp. Most religions dont oppose factory farms and environment we rely on. Im not that anti putting dogs down painlessly or human sperm, our Population is a huge issue. Prevention best, but welfare no, then adopt them all.
@Appe You can't do that without committing murder.. killing children to "protect" them from a life of hell necessarily implies that we should also kill everyone else in the world who is ALREADY living a life of hell. if you are so eager to kill unwanted babies out of why are you not also eager to kill the masses of starved and diseased people in the world? isn't killing them a necessary evil? see the contradiction? it's very important
@angelshoulders How many of your friends have seen my video yet? Have they said anything to you? What do you think they think of when they read the comments you said you never posted?
You know.. about abuse being a choice, ect? Or the way you mock child abuse and the fear it impart son a child, or how about neglect? Or what about teen homelessness?
oh yeah n one other thing u think all this is a joke well maybe your mother should have aborted you u silly bitch then u wuldnt be so smart ud be lil chunks of shit that no1 wants cuz thats ow u puttin it!
sueezee1 your a dick lol chew me up n spit me out lv to c u try love! and luk at you arguin with every1 like a twat your a sick bitch! now do everyone on this page a favor n fuk off lol
@annibokka says: once you hold that baby in your arms your motherly instincts will kick in
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ hahahahah.. read up on some psychology you frickin dumbass.... it dosent always "kick in"...often the mother kicks the child instead~ learn soemthing or stay stupid and help pro choice...we thank you for being dumb!
Do u realize infanticide is rampant in countries where the overburdened women living in poverty dont have access to or arent able to control their childbearing, AND abortion is illegal? And in societies where abortion was illegal (i.e. communist romania) the rate of women attempted to have an abortion remained the SAME, but maternal mortality rates and child abandonment rates sky-rocketed? Is that pro-life?
murder is murder. and killing a unborn baby and call it the human term abortion is some bull s. it is killing.a baby you ended the of life so that the child cannot be born ,but infact it is living in your tummy like it supposed to bcuz that is the process duh, u denyers really try to sugar coat the murder that you do, to make yourself feel un guilty but you are guilty for the baby who is dead bcuz of you who went to the clinic to sign for the murder to take place!!!really u paid for it to die
good song for this. Because no matter how long you wait afterwards, the pain in your heart & mind will still be there. Thinking what if I had not done this. Where would I be today, who would my child be today. No matter the reason for getting an abortion, that is still YOUR child inside you. Nothing will ever change that.
And a narcissist is a person who thinks they have the ultimate authority over life and death. Fortunately for the rest of us they can only get away with killing their own unborn children. Unfortunate for the child to be concieved by such a monster.
@vulpinerose Parasite: an animal or plant that lives in or on a host (another animal or plant); it obtains nourishment from the host without benefiting or killing the host (Google definitions)
A fetus fits that description 100%, therefor, it is a parasite.
You are an idiot, you're using terms you don't even understand. A narcissist is a person who is in love with them selves, coming from the Greek God Narcissus.
@vulpinerose Furthermore, calling a fetus an unborn child is like calling a child an ungrown grown up, doesn't make any sense. It's also like calling a caterpillar an unmetamorphosized butterfly. I am a boy, so you need not worry about me conceiving a child.
@jeh: no matter how long you wait afterwards, the pain in your heart & mind will still be there
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Yes, its there if the woman WANTS it to be there! Abortion does not cause depression, thats self inflicted by weak whimpy women with no confidence in t heir decision making. Blame weak women....NOT abortion!
jeh:that is still YOUR child inside you If you dont wnat it...its NOTHING inside you. Learn about abortion before you speak, or look foolish!
@Amy: if you choose to have sex you to accept that it is your responsibility for whatever may occur i.e a baby WHAT??? Sounds like you just want the mother punished for haiving sex!! When does your concern for the responsible raising of the child come into play?
Yes well if you are responsible enough to have sex then you should be sure you are responsible for any consiquences i.e a baby. people no that babys happen from sex so they should ither use conteception so they dont get pregnant or should have the baby and ither raise it themselves or give it up for adoption where im sure a woman who cant have children of her own would be delighted to have a baby that she so badly wants instead of taking away an innocent lfe with abortion! x
amy:if you are responsible enough to have sex then you should be sure you are responsible for any consiquences i.e a baby
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Do you want me to keep repeating it??? Sounds like you just want the mother punished for haiving sex!! When does your concern for the responsible raising of the child come into play?
And since when is a child a consequence? That sounds like a punishment to me.
@Sueezee1: Sounds like you just want the mother punished for haiving sex!! so you agree that she is the mother. She is the mother of a dead baby. That means that you know full well that abortion kills babies. Your a sick person.
@TheMasamune444 says: That means that you know full well that abortion kills babies.
~~~~~~~~~~~~ hahahahahahahha..... no, we all thought abortion was getting an oil change on our cars. You fucking dumbass...womnen know what they are doing...its why they do it ........and you cant stop them. ..so shut up...hahahah L oser!
@Sueezee1 actually alot of the wemon don't completely konw what they are getting into. That is why pro-aborts hate it when pro-life shows the pictures of the aborted babies. NO most wemon don't abort just so they can kill a baby. That sounds more like something you do.
@TheMasamune444 says: actually alot of the wemon don't completely konw what they are getting into
~~~~~~~~~~~~~ hahah thats right, when they get preg w/ unwanted child, make an appt to abort, keep that appt,...they didnt know what they were doing Hahahahahhahaahhaah
@TheMasamune444 not upset, we just think that u guys r taking it tooo far. who in this world would let their thirteen yr old daughter have a baby? or what if it was a mistake? humans make mistakes people, get the hell over it.
@emeraldt94 taking it too far. So what are we supposed to tell teenagers that aborted babies look like sunshine and flowers. Are we supposed to keep wemon ignorant about it. I believe it is tradgic and the 13 year old needs government help and support, but going out and killing somone isn't the way. Oh yes we all make mistakes just like drug deallers, but when they kill the police officer isn't that right too. Or what about child molesters should they be left of the hook too?
@TheMasamune444 government support? hun, government should be supporting their own damn problems. People like me who r trying to get there way into a better life honestly needs no govn help. just cause u decided to have a lil fun with ur bf doesnt mean u should get free money.nd no, not ignorant. JUST STOP PUTTING PICTURES THAT MAKE MY LITTLE FAMOLY MEMBERS STOP AND STARE AND ASK ME WHAT IT IS, CAUS EIT IS NOT RIGHT TO HAVE A 5 OR 6 YR OLD LOOK AT THAT. and yes, if i am not ready to have
a kid, hell yeah im going to get an abortion. i will nnot deal with that kind of stress for an innocent mistake. drug dealers? child melesters? APPLES AND ORANGES, IDIOT!
@emeraldt94 what It's you pro-choicers that want public funding for abortions. Not all people get money just wemon who are having a hard time raising the kid. oh yeah ANYONE CAN PUT THINGS IN ALL CAPS IT DOESN'T MAKE YOUR POINT ANY STRONGER. Why are you afraid of the children see it. is it because if it was against there mother's convienence they would look like that. You obviously don't give a damn about children so stop bringing them up.
@TheMasamune444 ok, fine. im not for the children. lets just "kill" them all? h,mm, have a lot of abortions., i think im going to do that. and if u dont think i care about already born children(notice how i am stressing ALREADY BORN) u can just go sumwhere the sun don' shine. and im not afraid of the children seeing it, i just dont agree with ME THE BABYSITTER HAVING TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS THAT ARRISE. AND,FYI I HAPPEN TO LIKE CAPS LOCK! so there. to me, ur just making urself seem dumb.
@emeraldt94 .."...The abortion-rights folks know it, the anti-abortion folks know it, and so probably, does everyone else. One of the facts of abortion is that women enter abortion clinics to kill their fetuses. It is a form of killing ...you're ending a life." Ron Fitzsimmons, Executive
Director, National Coalition of Abortion Providers, New York Times, 26 February 1997
amy:give it up for adoption YOU are free to have all the babies you can and then throw them away, but dont expect smart people to follow your lead. Thats insane
You have your opinion i have mine its not a pusishment you should take responsibility for your own actions if u dont use contriception and get pregnant that is a result of not using protection there fore you should have the baby and take responsobility understand? and the adoption thing better to give a baby to a family that wants it than murder it and not even give it a chance!
most children given up for adoption spend their childhood being passed from foster parent to home over and over, they are often abused, and most grow up to be criminals or drug adicts. also giving birth can seriously risk the mother's live and health. in nature most animals can terminatet hier own pregnancies if they feel that its too dangerous to give birth, its natural to abort a pregnancy if the time isn't right, and its best for the baby as well as the mother.
@0ma I request the stats&source for adopted kids growing up to be criminals&drug addicts!! That is nonsense.If the mother's very life is threatened,she would surely die if carrying the baby to term.if she doesn't kill the baby,the baby will kill her(as in self defense)every effort should be made to save both lies.There is a huge diff.between a miscarraige&killing a living unborn human
And fyi i got pregnant when i was 18 i had my baby and i have done everthing i can to support her and i never thought twice about having an abortion or giving her up i took full responsiblitly!
it is legal, it's illegal in only like 10 countries.
P.S. get your facts straight: It's not killing babies, it's killing fetus', it's not brutal, as the fetus cannot feel it and finally, it is not even murder, as the fetus is not a separate living being yet.
Scientifically,we know that from the earliest stages of development,the unborn are distinct, living,&whole human beings.Leading embryology books confirm this.Prior to his abortion advocacy,former Planned Parenthood Pres.Dr. Alan Guttmacher was perplexed that anyone,much less a medical doctor,would question this."This all seems so simple&evident that it is difficult to picture a time when it wasn't part of the common knowledge,"he wrote in his book Life in the Making.
@angelshoulders I'm not denying the life of a fetus, I'm denying the humanity of it, the rights of it. A fetus is not a human, by nature, it is pre-human, like an egg is to a chicken. The life of the fetus is still 100% reliant on the mother, therefor, it is under them mothers control (like a tumor is to a human), it's not a separate life form yet, therefor it is part of the mother, therefor it is under the mothers control, in my mind anyway.
P.s. when using an ampersant, you need a space after
@luclfer So you agree that abortion is killing the life of a living human being& have no problem with killin living human beings? Who caused that baby to be reliant on his/her mother?Did that baby ambush the mother as she strolled down the street?Somehow forcibly enter her womb as she slept?Just b/c the baby cannot jump out of the womb&start reciting Shakespeare doesn't make it less a human being.
@jmt24 You give me one good reason why a mother 'has to' kill the living unborn human baby that she herself helped to create. One reason why killing the baby is 'needed'. Just one.
Yeah respond with ad-hom, just shows your lack of a strong argument. Regardless of how/why someone got pregnate is irrelevant. This is about weather or not they have the right to end the pregnancy. Last I checked, No one has the right to use your body against your will, neither should a fetus.
@vulpinerose If an IUD fails, condom breaks, vasectomy/Tubal ligation doesn't take, how is it the woman made the choice to get pregnant?
Also, even if she did choose to get pregnant, why isn't she allowed to change her mind? Forcing a woman to allow another being to use her body is a lot more cruel than ending the life of a non-sentient being.
Vasectomy and tubaligation are very safe . And any time a woman has sex when she is ovulating she is making the choice to go ahead and have sex . She should be strong enough to take the chances along with the choice.
Abortion only makes women weaker.
I've never seen even 1 strong intelligent woman have an abortion . It is always the crack whores.
@vulpinerose "I've never seen even 1 strong intelligent woman..." Then you live in a very small box. 49% of all woman in america experience unwanted pregnancy and 52% have abortions.
"These conditions rarely happen" male Condom failure alone makeup 15% of unwanted pregancy.
"woman has sex when she is ovulating..." This method fails 25% of the time.
But like I said it doesn't matter how/why they got pregnant, nothing has the right to use your body against your will.
@jmt24 Can i just point out that this zealotry of ITS MY BODY even in the comments here but especially at rallies is all well and good but you also have the choice to have sex or not, the child doesnt have the same choice, it cant ask you not to have sex or give it to some parent who wont abort it. its unequal no matter how you put it. its an invalid argument to support murder.
@angelshoulders It's not invalid, we have claim to our bodies and nobody has the right (not even a fetus) to use your body against your will. In response to your other comment, I don't think a mother "needs" a reason to have an abortion but since you asked
1) if she was raped
2) if there are health risks
3) birth defects
4) if she can't care for the child (yes, i realize adoption is an option)
5) If the fetus suffers or her suffers throughout the pregnancy
@jmt24 How on earth can we consider & support our own mother killing us because we were the conceived in rape? Does this mean anyone is superior to someone who is the product of rape? I cannot exchange one tragic event with one ten times worse!The baby does not deserve the death penalty b/c of the sins of the father.
@jmt24 I agree that if a Dr.who has no financial gain says she will certainly die if she carries the baby to term,that the baby is threatening her very life, that if the mother does not kill the baby the baby will definately kill the mother,as in ectopic. But still,all efforts must be taken to save both lives. Why can't we love the mother & the baby?!?
@angelshoulders "How on earth..." If the mother was raped she didn't consent to the fetus being put there so she should be allowed to remove it. If some1 forces me into your house will u allow me to stay till I'm ready to leave? What if I plan on staying a whole year?
"What do you mean..." Pain is subjective, whatever the mother deems unbearable is more than enough for me. And if someone is using your body against your will, wheather or not u suffer, u can kill them, it's called self defense
@jmt24 Are you aware that incest & rape combined account for less then 1% of abortions. Does this child deserve the death sentence for the sins of his father? Is is somehow less valuable, less worth of life then you or I? So if the mother suffers a headache,she can kill her own living unborn human baby? Is the baby threatening the mothers very life,she will die if she does not kill her baby
@angelshoulders Are you aware that that 1% is actually 10,000, I'd say thats significant. Does the mother deserve to be punished with a child? Is she less valuable than a fetus? For me, It's not about value, it's about rights, why should a fetus have more rights than everyone else? Like I said earlier, I don't think the mother needs a reason to abort. Like all interaction between people, consent and continued consent is required. Why does a fetus get to ignore that rule?
@jmt24 That 1% is significant when you are talking about killing a living unborn human being,yes,but when millions are concerned?!? 4000 babies a day alone in the U.S. You know that sex ALWAYS=possibility of pregnance.You know that DUI ALWAYS=possibility of killing someone.Yet in an abortion you may kill, DUI, you may not. WHY?!? LEGALIZED MURDER!
@jmt24 NO NEED::Abortions are done mostly for non-medical reasons. As the abortion industry itself admits on the website of the Alan Guttmacher Institute,"3/4 say they cannot afford a child;3/4 say that having a baby would interfere with work,school or the ability to care for dependents;& half say they do not want to be a single parent or are having problems with their husband or partner."
@jmt24 Won't it be shameful when a mother explains to her children that her older brothers & sister were slaughtered so that she didn't have to be inconvenienced while finishing school,or work.That they survived their mother's killing spree.That her job, her school came before the siblings she had done in.How proud she will feel.The current children will have 'survivors remorse".
@angelshoulders "LEGALIZED MURDER" Not all killing is murder.
"The current children will have survivors remorse" Most kids wouldn't feel that way. Isn't it comforting to know your mother wanted to have you rather than forced to have you. I'd think so.
@jmt24 Abortion is LEGALIZED MURDER. Unless the mother's very life is threatened. Unless carrying the baby to term will most definatly kill her. Unless she does not kill her baby, her baby will kill his/her own mother, then abortion is most certainly legalized murder.Dr. Ney has written about this. Dr. Edward Sheridan of Georgetown University has observed also a fear and mistrust of the mother. Originally, a small child, sensing a siblings arrival, doesnt welcome it.
"...The abortion-rights folks know it, the anti-abortion folks know it,&so probably, does everyone else.One of the facts of abortion is that women enter abortion clinics to kill their fetuses. It is a form of killing ...you're ending a life." Ron Fitzsimmons, Executive Director, National Coalition of Abortion Providers, New York Times, 26 February 1997
@jmt24 BIRTH CONTROL:According to the Alan Guttmacher Institute, in 2005, 1.21 million abortions took place in the United States. Some 42,350 of these occurred on women who were 16 to 20 weeks pregnant; over 13,310 occurred on women who were 21 weeks OR MORE into their pregnancy. According to CDC government data, over 64,000 abortions in a year are performed on women who had had three or more previous abortions.
@jmt24 It would be alot more comforting that My mom didn't kill me. It's not like later your going to be born again after your aborted. Your dead. The abortion survivors feel fortunate that they survived, but enraged that people wanted them dead.
@scythian0528 That means An abortion isn't like a cycle. A fetilized egg and a regular egg aren't the same. Thing that is why abortion is wrong. That isn't just another part of the woman. That is a human being.
@TheMasamune444 says: That isn't just another part of the woman. That is a human being.
~~~~~~~~ It dosent matter if you call it a Ford F-150...it isnt a human being. if it was abortion would be illegal, but keep lying, It helps pro choice!
@TheMasamune444 says: an egg doesn't have Different DNA of the mother
~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Biology, medicine, philosophy, theology & science have NO consensus on the issue of abortion, but keep being ignorant, the better for pro choice!
@Sueezee1 first off that statement had nothing to do with philosophy or theology. Secondly Science does have to with abortion. third an egg doesn't have the different DNA of the mother. fourth scince that was fact, it wasn't ignorant. fith your a phyco bitch.
~~~~~~~ NO, it dosent! Its about ouir rights, the 5th,9th, 13th, & 14th ammendment, Declaration of human right, necessity, custom & Roe V Wade. NO science!
~~~~~~~ Ah sweetie, dont get mad because Im right. If you would just try getting educated and not lie, you might have a valid argument....LMAO.. you WONT, but why not try it.
@Sueezee1 Well scince your so smart, tell me how medicine, science, and biology has nothing to do abortion. Also if you would be so kind to tell me how saying that the child has different DNA as the mother ties into Theology or philosophy. This is your opportunity to prove just how smart you claim to be.
@TheMasamune444 says: tell me how medicine, science, and biology has nothing to do abortion.
~~~~~ read the laws and tell ME how it DOES? Its not mentioned ONE time. All you have to do it prove me wrong, because I can list all the rulings and prove YOU wrong.
@TheMasamune444 says: Well scince your so smart, tell me how medicine, science, and biology has nothing to do abortion.
~~~~~~~~
LOLOL, I liove the fact that prolifers ALWAYS have to ask pro choicers for the info they dont have! if YOU had the info you SAY you do, you could make me look stupid. So, where is it? What part of science has to do w/ abortion rulings? I'll be waiting.
@TheMasamune444 says: ell me how saying that the child has different DNA as the mother ties into Theology or philosophy
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ What in the hell are you talking about ?? When did i EVER say different DNA ties into theo & philo?????? philosophy & Theology has NO ocnsenses on the issue of abortion. Youre boring the hell outta me..get smarter, fast!
And men lose legions of the same. I'm anti-abortion, but I don't see anything wrong with the death of sex cells. We can't avoid it, and really it's like the death of every other cell in our bodies - it happens.
Things change at conception. It's when the sex cells of a man an woman merge that it's more than a potential child - it's a genetically complete human being at the earliest stage of development. This isn't whining, it's truth.
@mapsandviolins1 "It's when the sex cells of a man an woman merge that it's more than a potential child " Actually this is when it becomes a potential child, things can and often do fail, and often does fail. Whether it is 'genetically complete' or not doesn't end the argument about whether it is human or not.
Truth is a word that ultimately means nothing, the topic is subjective.
I guess that depends on how we define 'potential child'. Both the unfertilized sex cell and the fertilized egg could be considered potential children. Technically the fertilized egg is known as a zygote.
Conception is an extremely delicate process, and you're right in saying that it often does fail. Was it about %50 of conceptions never make it to birth? Many times the woman mistakes her early miscarriage for a heavy period.
Just because things fail, though, doesn't mean much in regards to this issue. Pregnancies can fail at any point. Newborns die mysteriously in the crib. Toddlers die. People die unexpectedly - that failure doesn't define the essence of the thing failing.
Biologically it is completely human. The genetics of a zygote are that of a homo sapiens - a human. It doesn't boast consciousness, but I see value beyond physical contributions.
@mapsandviolins1 "Biologically it is completely human. The genetics of a zygote are that of a homo sapiens - a human. "
If you only count genetics then your argument is valid, but I factor in physiology as well, because physiologically most stages of human development are almost identical to the development of any other mammal.
I am pro-choice because banning abortion is a terrible idea.
What people believe about the world doesn't alter the reality. Facts don’t change. For example, through the ages there have been many theories, devised by very smart men, about the shape of atoms. Through the ages, the theory most widely accepted by the scientific community has changed.
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When you said, "Seek My Face," My heart said, " Your face, Lord, I will seek. Do not hide Your face from me; Do not turn Your servant away in anger; You have been my help; Do not leave me nor forsake me, O God of my salvation. When my father and my mother forsake me, Then they Lord will take care of me. Teach me Your way, O Lord, And lead me in a smooth path, because of my enemies. Do not deliver me to the will of my adersaries; For false witnesses have risen against me. Psalms 27:8-12
mjt19741 1 month ago
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I watched this movie called 180 movie it was very good if you are pro-life or pro-choice, watch this award winning documentary and see where you stand at the end.
Look up 180 movie on youtube or 180movie.com
standingontruth1 3 months ago in playlist Abortions and Babies
The muslim girl in the video will never abort, be sure of it... Civilization suicide.
sweetjo717 4 months ago
wats da nme of this song
joviess13 4 months ago
My opinion om this may not matter to anyone. But it needs to come out.. People all say "Its just a fetus" "it was only 12 weeks"... Think about it people, we were all "just a fetus" and"only 12 weeks" and look where we are today.. These fetuses turn into human beinga just like us. They can have feelings, and make a difference in this world too.. If your pro towards abortions.. Just think whay if your mother would have been to?
XOpartyhardOX 5 months ago
@XOpartyhardOX says: These fetuses turn into human beinga just like us. They can have feelings, and make a difference in this world too..
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Ya, the difference they make is filling up our prisons because UNWANTED kids arent raised in a positive manner that would prevent that.
Sueezee1 4 months ago
I understand what you guys are all saying... but in all honesty as far as i am concerned, there is no such :life... until after the first 2 or 3 months......
justbeingme1988 5 months ago
Let's give those "CHUNKY MEATS"
a chance to enjoy life.
YOU choose to have them,
They DO NOT choose to have YOU.
heindall04 6 months ago
@heindall04 Women choose to abort unplanned pregnancies, not the ones they chose and intended.
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heindall04 6 months ago
I wonder when education will improve. Our youth need to learn that fetuses are not babies. There's a clear distinction. One that's clear to see if you look hard enough.
vgman94 9 months ago 3
@vgman94 um actually yes fetuses are babies. developing babies(: thanks.
TheRebornlovexoxo 8 months ago
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@TheRebornlovexoxo says: um actually yes fetuses are babies. developing babies
~~~~~~~~~~~~ Then it iSNT a baby until its NOT a fetus.
Sueezee1 8 months ago
@TheRebornlovexoxo Fetuses are developing INTO babies, which is why they are not called babies until they actually become them. A baby is capable of breathing air; a fetus's lungs are not developed enough, therefore it cannot begin life as a baby yet, therefore it ISN'T a baby yet!. Not really that hard to grasp.
ivyshoots 8 months ago
@vgman94 and what exactly is that distinction, since it is so clear? because i've seen the Embryology... and that makes it pretty clear that the unborn are human.
MarysMyMom 2 months ago
@MarysMyMom "are human" That is not the point. Not everything human deserves rights. Hair doesn't deserve rights, nails don't deserve rights. We give ourselves rights to protect interests, including the right to happiness and freedom. We need these because we have minds, to think, feel, want and care. A fetus doesn't have any of these. To it, aborting it is like never waking up. Like never existing. It's all about the mind, not the species or whether it looks like a baby.
vgman94 2 months ago
@vgman94 What do you think is happening in our country today in regards to our crises population? We don't have enough people. Look in nursing homes, hospitals, schools. We don't have enough teachers. We don't have enough people to take care of those who could be at home but are in a nursing home because there is no one to take care of them, and hospitals are always short staffed because we don't have enough nurses and doctors. Those babies could have been those people
LovedbcHim 2 months ago
@LovedbcHim (Part 2) In reality, we have more than enough people, but the economy is growth based and that is doomed to fail. Infinite growth on a finite planet is not possible, no matter what an economist tells you. As for "could have been", they also could've been murderers, animal abusers, conservatives who fight against the rights of animals, the environment and women. Babies could be anything, good or bad. Saying they could've been only positive is childish and unrealistic.
vgman94 1 month ago
@vgman94 Fetuses are babies. Youth don't need to hear the lie that they are not. They are people and they are very much just as alive as you are.
LovedbcHim 2 months ago
@LovedbcHim Fetuses look like babies, but babies cry, need to eat, want to be held by their mothers and maybe their fathers. A fetus isn't like a baby and you comparing them is an insult to babies. Alive physically, but not mentally like you, me, or any creature born on this planet. We don't have enough people? Yet there are still poor people, there's still jobless people, there's still criminal populations that don't srink and causes and preventation measures for those aren't pursued.
vgman94 1 month ago
You act like the baby is a lifeless robot. From the moment it attaches itself to the uterus, it is a baby. Undeveloped, but it is a baby. That baby will grow into an adult and hell, who knows, may be the president of the united states. Just because it is undeveloped, you are going to kill it because it can't have an opinion or thoughts or emotions? It's really cruel.
MsChihuahua9700 1 year ago
@MsChihuahua9700 "That baby will grow into an adult and hell, who knows, may be the president of the united states" It also might be a psychopath who murders and eats children. The argument of potential is really lousy one.
Cruelty is an entirely different topic all together. Unless you are an experienced rhetorician, I doubt you can attempt to answer what makes an act cruel, or what, essentially, is cruelty.
scythian0528 1 year ago
@MsChihuahua9700 says: From the moment it attaches itself to the uterus, it is a baby.
~~~~~~~~ babies wear diapers, coo, drool, say mama, eat applesause, crawl, play patty-a-cake, laugh, scream, have temper tantrums, laugh, plan, think , emote and the list goes one...thats NOT an embryo or a fetus. Stop your childish lying.
Sueezee1 10 months ago
@MsChihuahua9700 says: ho knows, may be the president of the united states.
~~~~~~~~ It could also be a mass murderer...how old dare you? you clearly fall too short in your capacity for principle-level and abstract thinking to debate this matter
Sueezee1 10 months ago
Abortion is completely wrong. It's not the baby's fault, but yet the mother "chooses" to murder her unborn child. Plain and simple. It's murder. Why should someone be allowed to get away with murder because it's unborn and she's the mother? I don't care how you got the baby inside you, but give it up for adoption and stop being selfish. There are so many potential parents that are not able to have children that would love to have your child.
MsChihuahua9700 1 year ago
@MsChihuahua9700 You are rediculous.
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat coming from someone that doesnt know how to spell ridiculous, I really could give two shits less.
MsChihuahua9700 1 year ago
@MsChihuahua9700 Lol grammar nazi much? So.. not only are you a sex-nazi, but also a grammar-nazi. Abortion is not murder- you cannot murder a non-person. A fetus is not a person. You have no idea who or what you are talking about when you generalize women the way you do- you have no idea why she, or I, or any woman has an abortion! Why do you think /I/ had an abortion? Did you know that /IF/ i actually HAD the option of adoption, I'd have gladly chosen that? That I had no choice? Fuck you nazi.
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat A FETUS IS A FUCKING UNBORN BABY!!! IT ISNT A NON-PERSON!! ITS NOT THE BABY'S FAULT YOU HAVE TO FUCKING KILL IT. IT CAN'T SPEAK FOR ITSELF!!! WHATEVER THEIR FUCKING SITUATION, AT LEAST HAVE SOME FUCKING MORALS!!
MsChihuahua9700 1 year ago
@MsChihuahua9700 Capslock=cruise control for cool. No, babies' are born- we celebrate birthdays, not conception or fuck days. A fetus cannot speak, period- it has no opinions, memories, thoughts or emotions- it's brain has not developed enough nor has it had enough input to retain in memory for it to be a person. It is a human shell, but certainly not a person. Yes,orals- if a pregnancy puts a woman at risk, her life in infinitely more valuable than a chunk of developing meat.
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@MsChihuahua9700 says: FETUS IS A FUCKING UNBORN BABY!!! IT ISNT A NON-PERSON!!
~~~~~~~~~~~ PROLIFE LIAR, or dumbass, which is it. A non perosn is is one who lacks, loses, or is forcibly denied social or legal status, especially basic human rights, or who effectively ceases to have a record, or never had a record of their existence within a society from a point of view of traceability, documentation, or existence. A fetus IS a non person. take some pride in yourself & the things you say.
Sueezee1 10 months ago
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@MsChihuahua9700 says: IT CAN'T SPEAK FOR ITSELF!!!
~~~~~~~~~ and YOU cant speak for it either!! It belongs to the women. Its her personal private property so keep your damned nose out of it.
Sueezee1 10 months ago
@ryddelwearsahat I completely agree, by the definition of the word "murder" abortion cannot be murder. I'm sorry i value and person over a human.Just because it has the genetic make up of a human does not make it a person, thus it's not murder.
lambchopclmt 1 year ago 2
@lambchopclmt You have nothing to apologize about- you are a healthy, intelligent person who cares about people.
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat
Guess what bitch !!! You made the choice to fuck around like stupid dumb bitch in the first place that got in pregnant. You made a choice then !!!
w108dab1 1 year ago
@w108dab1 Yes, I made a choice to have sex- and had the guy wear a condom- I chose NOT to get pregnant. The condom breaking was a mistake- as was the conception. I took responsibility and had an abortion. Don't tell me what I did and did not do or think or choose.
ryddelwearsahat 11 months ago
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@w108dab1 says: You made the choice to fuck around like stupid dumb bitch in the first place that got in pregnant. You made a choice then
~~~~~~~~~ yep and she choose to abort. Dont like it? too bad... By the way, Id love to meet your mother who obvioulsy had a hand in making you hate women..lol
Sueezee1 10 months ago
@MsChihuahua9700 says: coming from someone that doesnt know how to spell ridiculous, I really could give two shits less.
~~~~~~~~~~ Ah poor you poor thing..you dont have a response so you attack spelling...lolol, loser!
Sueezee1 10 months ago
what language is this in
missphenomenally 1 year ago
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The most fundamental right is "The Right to be Born". It seems stupid to ask, but have you ever heard the old Slavery adage? It's bulletproof in displaying privileged morality for what it is: Everyone who ever support slavery was free. Everyone who ever supported abortion was born. That's how oppression works.
To me, the disregard of the OPPRESSION of an unborn human, is the single most selfish & callous of all feminist rhetoric
angelshoulders 1 year ago
Abortion isn't right, but it doesn't mean you should judge. God still loves them.. They just have to live with the decision that they made. You can always pray for their healing though. God will hear and answer your prayers.
anwrules 1 year ago
It's true, we shouldn't judge women who have had abortions because there is forgiveness in Christ, but pro-choice also does not need to advertise that it's o.k to have an abortion, when pro-choice really isn't all that pro-choice, no offense. And also, a strong woman would not walk out of that abortion clinic happy or relieved. Usually they would be crying and realizing that they just helped take a life.
LovedbcHim 1 year ago
A Muslim woman working at an abortion clinic? Interesting and kinky!
tbsla13 1 year ago 11
@tbsla13 I was thinking the same thing
wrestlingwomanfan 1 year ago
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Humanist Atheist Secular Feminist Pro-life anti-abortion video:
watch?v=DlMHBXaQWH0
amet1980 1 year ago
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Nuclear weapons, population control and Vegan are the most critical issues from my experiences, research and service in peace corps. Vegetarians reduce world hunger, environment, health care and billions of tortured conscious mammals, fast facts at goveg (dot) com/theissues.asp. Most religions dont oppose factory farms and environment we rely on. Im not that anti putting dogs down painlessly or human sperm, our Population is a huge issue. Prevention best, but welfare no, then adopt them all.
StoptheSlaughtering 1 year ago
@Appe You can't do that without committing murder.. killing children to "protect" them from a life of hell necessarily implies that we should also kill everyone else in the world who is ALREADY living a life of hell. if you are so eager to kill unwanted babies out of why are you not also eager to kill the masses of starved and diseased people in the world? isn't killing them a necessary evil? see the contradiction? it's very important
angelshoulders 1 year ago
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@angelshoulders How many of your friends have seen my video yet? Have they said anything to you? What do you think they think of when they read the comments you said you never posted?
You know.. about abuse being a choice, ect? Or the way you mock child abuse and the fear it impart son a child, or how about neglect? Or what about teen homelessness?
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
what suprises me is that the highest rated comments aren't pro-life or pro-choice ,but commenting that Sueezee1 is a total bitch. lol
TheMasamune444 1 year ago
come on guys does the school board really have to show this because you really dont even need to have abortions. it is wrong!
fampire1212 1 year ago
oh yeah n one other thing u think all this is a joke well maybe your mother should have aborted you u silly bitch then u wuldnt be so smart ud be lil chunks of shit that no1 wants cuz thats ow u puttin it!
AmyNicoleXxxxx 1 year ago
sueezee1 your a dick lol chew me up n spit me out lv to c u try love! and luk at you arguin with every1 like a twat your a sick bitch! now do everyone on this page a favor n fuk off lol
AmyNicoleXxxxx 1 year ago
@annibokka says: once you hold that baby in your arms your motherly instincts will kick in
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ hahahahah.. read up on some psychology you frickin dumbass.... it dosent always "kick in"...often the mother kicks the child instead~ learn soemthing or stay stupid and help pro choice...we thank you for being dumb!
Sueezee1 1 year ago
@annibokka
Do u realize infanticide is rampant in countries where the overburdened women living in poverty dont have access to or arent able to control their childbearing, AND abortion is illegal? And in societies where abortion was illegal (i.e. communist romania) the rate of women attempted to have an abortion remained the SAME, but maternal mortality rates and child abandonment rates sky-rocketed? Is that pro-life?
Diannakw 1 year ago 2
@Diannakw
these folks can't be reasoned with and have no rationale at all.
dragonpat666 1 year ago
really? you sure about that? do you need someone to cite statistics on child abuse, infanticide, etc?
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Diannakw 1 year ago
before 3 months it is legal after the 3 months is not !
MegaFba 1 year ago
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murder is murder. and killing a unborn baby and call it the human term abortion is some bull s. it is killing.a baby you ended the of life so that the child cannot be born ,but infact it is living in your tummy like it supposed to bcuz that is the process duh, u denyers really try to sugar coat the murder that you do, to make yourself feel un guilty but you are guilty for the baby who is dead bcuz of you who went to the clinic to sign for the murder to take place!!!really u paid for it to die
mrmike803 2 years ago
go up to your URL bar, put a Q between the words you and tube and then press enter or click go
1joel8 2 years ago
good song for this. Because no matter how long you wait afterwards, the pain in your heart & mind will still be there. Thinking what if I had not done this. Where would I be today, who would my child be today. No matter the reason for getting an abortion, that is still YOUR child inside you. Nothing will ever change that.
jehovahjirehprovides 2 years ago 3
please you correct terms, it is not a child, it is a fetus . . . a child is a separate living creature, a fetus is a parasite
spardaking 2 years ago
A parasite is an insect a fetus is a human.
And a narcissist is a person who thinks they have the ultimate authority over life and death. Fortunately for the rest of us they can only get away with killing their own unborn children. Unfortunate for the child to be concieved by such a monster.
vulpinerose 2 years ago
@vulpinerose A parasite isn't just insects, it's anything that lives in/on a host to obtain nourishment without benefiting the host.
jmt24 2 years ago
A baby benifits it's mother.
Ask any mother.
You are just a sicko.
vulpinerose 2 years ago
@vulpinerose You do realize the experience is subjective, don't you?
jmt24 2 years ago
No it is not subjective.
It is murder.
Any woman who has an abortion has a motive such as money or revenge.
vulpinerose 2 years ago
@vulpinerose
"No it is not subjective" Do you even know what subjective means? Everyones perception of beneficial is different, thereby making it subjective.
"It is murder" Not all killing is murder.
"Any woman who has..." Again, small box.
jmt24 2 years ago 2
@jmt24 I think vulpinerose may be a bit undereducated. She claimed "narcissism" to be the belief that you have power of life and death.
luclfersangel616 1 year ago
@vulpinerose Parasite: an animal or plant that lives in or on a host (another animal or plant); it obtains nourishment from the host without benefiting or killing the host (Google definitions)
A fetus fits that description 100%, therefor, it is a parasite.
You are an idiot, you're using terms you don't even understand. A narcissist is a person who is in love with them selves, coming from the Greek God Narcissus.
luclfersangel616 1 year ago
@vulpinerose Furthermore, calling a fetus an unborn child is like calling a child an ungrown grown up, doesn't make any sense. It's also like calling a caterpillar an unmetamorphosized butterfly. I am a boy, so you need not worry about me conceiving a child.
luclfersangel616 1 year ago
@jeh: no matter how long you wait afterwards, the pain in your heart & mind will still be there
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Yes, its there if the woman WANTS it to be there! Abortion does not cause depression, thats self inflicted by weak whimpy women with no confidence in t heir decision making. Blame weak women....NOT abortion!
jeh:that is still YOUR child inside you If you dont wnat it...its NOTHING inside you. Learn about abortion before you speak, or look foolish!
Sueezee1 2 years ago
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AmyNicoleXxxxx 2 years ago
@Amy: if you choose to have sex you to accept that it is your responsibility for whatever may occur i.e a baby WHAT??? Sounds like you just want the mother punished for haiving sex!! When does your concern for the responsible raising of the child come into play?
Sueezee1 2 years ago
Yes well if you are responsible enough to have sex then you should be sure you are responsible for any consiquences i.e a baby. people no that babys happen from sex so they should ither use conteception so they dont get pregnant or should have the baby and ither raise it themselves or give it up for adoption where im sure a woman who cant have children of her own would be delighted to have a baby that she so badly wants instead of taking away an innocent lfe with abortion! x
AmyNicoleXxxxx 2 years ago
amy:if you are responsible enough to have sex then you should be sure you are responsible for any consiquences i.e a baby
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Do you want me to keep repeating it??? Sounds like you just want the mother punished for haiving sex!! When does your concern for the responsible raising of the child come into play?
And since when is a child a consequence? That sounds like a punishment to me.
Sueezee1 2 years ago
@Sueezee1: Sounds like you just want the mother punished for haiving sex!! so you agree that she is the mother. She is the mother of a dead baby. That means that you know full well that abortion kills babies. Your a sick person.
TheMasamune444 2 years ago 5
@TheMasamune444 says: That means that you know full well that abortion kills babies.
~~~~~~~~~~~~ hahahahahahahha..... no, we all thought abortion was getting an oil change on our cars. You fucking dumbass...womnen know what they are doing...its why they do it ........and you cant stop them. ..so shut up...hahahah L oser!
Sueezee1 1 year ago
@Sueezee1 actually alot of the wemon don't completely konw what they are getting into. That is why pro-aborts hate it when pro-life shows the pictures of the aborted babies. NO most wemon don't abort just so they can kill a baby. That sounds more like something you do.
TheMasamune444 1 year ago
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@TheMasamune444 says: actually alot of the wemon don't completely konw what they are getting into
~~~~~~~~~~~~~ hahah thats right, when they get preg w/ unwanted child, make an appt to abort, keep that appt,...they didnt know what they were doing Hahahahahhahaahhaah
Sueezee1 1 year ago
@TheMasamune444 it is a fetus, not a baby. never was born
emeraldt94 1 year ago
@emeraldt94 vioantly ripped apart inside the womb. then you pro-choicers get upset when we show the pictures.
TheMasamune444 1 year ago
@TheMasamune444 not upset, we just think that u guys r taking it tooo far. who in this world would let their thirteen yr old daughter have a baby? or what if it was a mistake? humans make mistakes people, get the hell over it.
emeraldt94 1 year ago
@emeraldt94 taking it too far. So what are we supposed to tell teenagers that aborted babies look like sunshine and flowers. Are we supposed to keep wemon ignorant about it. I believe it is tradgic and the 13 year old needs government help and support, but going out and killing somone isn't the way. Oh yes we all make mistakes just like drug deallers, but when they kill the police officer isn't that right too. Or what about child molesters should they be left of the hook too?
TheMasamune444 1 year ago
@TheMasamune444 government support? hun, government should be supporting their own damn problems. People like me who r trying to get there way into a better life honestly needs no govn help. just cause u decided to have a lil fun with ur bf doesnt mean u should get free money.nd no, not ignorant. JUST STOP PUTTING PICTURES THAT MAKE MY LITTLE FAMOLY MEMBERS STOP AND STARE AND ASK ME WHAT IT IS, CAUS EIT IS NOT RIGHT TO HAVE A 5 OR 6 YR OLD LOOK AT THAT. and yes, if i am not ready to have
emeraldt94 1 year ago
a kid, hell yeah im going to get an abortion. i will nnot deal with that kind of stress for an innocent mistake. drug dealers? child melesters? APPLES AND ORANGES, IDIOT!
emeraldt94 1 year ago
@emeraldt94 what It's you pro-choicers that want public funding for abortions. Not all people get money just wemon who are having a hard time raising the kid. oh yeah ANYONE CAN PUT THINGS IN ALL CAPS IT DOESN'T MAKE YOUR POINT ANY STRONGER. Why are you afraid of the children see it. is it because if it was against there mother's convienence they would look like that. You obviously don't give a damn about children so stop bringing them up.
TheMasamune444 1 year ago
@TheMasamune444 ok, fine. im not for the children. lets just "kill" them all? h,mm, have a lot of abortions., i think im going to do that. and if u dont think i care about already born children(notice how i am stressing ALREADY BORN) u can just go sumwhere the sun don' shine. and im not afraid of the children seeing it, i just dont agree with ME THE BABYSITTER HAVING TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS THAT ARRISE. AND,FYI I HAPPEN TO LIKE CAPS LOCK! so there. to me, ur just making urself seem dumb.
emeraldt94 1 year ago
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@emeraldt94 .."...The abortion-rights folks know it, the anti-abortion folks know it, and so probably, does everyone else. One of the facts of abortion is that women enter abortion clinics to kill their fetuses. It is a form of killing ...you're ending a life." Ron Fitzsimmons, Executive
Director, National Coalition of Abortion Providers, New York Times, 26 February 1997
angelshoulders 1 year ago
@angelshoulders what are u even talking about?
emeraldt94 1 year ago
amy:give it up for adoption YOU are free to have all the babies you can and then throw them away, but dont expect smart people to follow your lead. Thats insane
Sueezee1 2 years ago
You have your opinion i have mine its not a pusishment you should take responsibility for your own actions if u dont use contriception and get pregnant that is a result of not using protection there fore you should have the baby and take responsobility understand? and the adoption thing better to give a baby to a family that wants it than murder it and not even give it a chance!
AmyNicoleXxxxx 2 years ago 4
most children given up for adoption spend their childhood being passed from foster parent to home over and over, they are often abused, and most grow up to be criminals or drug adicts. also giving birth can seriously risk the mother's live and health. in nature most animals can terminatet hier own pregnancies if they feel that its too dangerous to give birth, its natural to abort a pregnancy if the time isn't right, and its best for the baby as well as the mother.
0madmadame 2 years ago
Pure bullshit.
vulpinerose 1 year ago
@0ma I request the stats&source for adopted kids growing up to be criminals&drug addicts!! That is nonsense.If the mother's very life is threatened,she would surely die if carrying the baby to term.if she doesn't kill the baby,the baby will kill her(as in self defense)every effort should be made to save both lies.There is a huge diff.between a miscarraige&killing a living unborn human
angelshoulders 1 year ago
And fyi i got pregnant when i was 18 i had my baby and i have done everthing i can to support her and i never thought twice about having an abortion or giving her up i took full responsiblitly!
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@Sueezee1:YOU are free to have all the babies you can and then throw them away, but dont expect smart people to follow your lead.
Abortion is throwing away the babies life! Your crazy!!!!!!
TheMasamune444 2 years ago
Suzee went through menopause ages ago. She is a lonely old woman who could never get any man to love her, so to get even she killed his children.
And killed the only people who would have ever loved her in the process of her revenge.
vulpinerose 2 years ago
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AmyNicoleXxxxx 2 years ago
your grammar is atrocious.
spardaking 2 years ago
How the fuck is abortion legal? It should be common knowledge that you JUST DON"T BRUTALLY MURDER BABIES! Its just not right
mrdavisdance 2 years ago
@mrdavisdance I agree 100%.
SydneyRain19 2 years ago
it is legal, it's illegal in only like 10 countries.
P.S. get your facts straight: It's not killing babies, it's killing fetus', it's not brutal, as the fetus cannot feel it and finally, it is not even murder, as the fetus is not a separate living being yet.
spardaking 2 years ago
Scientifically,we know that from the earliest stages of development,the unborn are distinct, living,&whole human beings.Leading embryology books confirm this.Prior to his abortion advocacy,former Planned Parenthood Pres.Dr. Alan Guttmacher was perplexed that anyone,much less a medical doctor,would question this."This all seems so simple&evident that it is difficult to picture a time when it wasn't part of the common knowledge,"he wrote in his book Life in the Making.
angelshoulders 1 year ago
@angelshoulders I'm not denying the life of a fetus, I'm denying the humanity of it, the rights of it. A fetus is not a human, by nature, it is pre-human, like an egg is to a chicken. The life of the fetus is still 100% reliant on the mother, therefor, it is under them mothers control (like a tumor is to a human), it's not a separate life form yet, therefor it is part of the mother, therefor it is under the mothers control, in my mind anyway.
P.s. when using an ampersant, you need a space after
luclfersangel616 1 year ago
@luclfer So you agree that abortion is killing the life of a living human being& have no problem with killin living human beings? Who caused that baby to be reliant on his/her mother?Did that baby ambush the mother as she strolled down the street?Somehow forcibly enter her womb as she slept?Just b/c the baby cannot jump out of the womb&start reciting Shakespeare doesn't make it less a human being.
angelshoulders 1 year ago
@mrdavisdance : you JUST DON"T BRUTALLY MURDER BABIES! Thats not what they do! Abortion isnt murder. Stop the dramatics!
Sueezee1 2 years ago
It is not legal. It is just not prosecuted, many crimes against women and children are not prosecuted.
And that is increased by the womens own act of killing their children. Women are not taken seriously because of stupid actions such as abortion.
vulpinerose 2 years ago
How is abortion stupid? It's seems more stupid to bring an unwanted child into existence than to not.
jmt24 2 years ago
Killing your own child is stupid.
If you don't want children then don't get pregnant. It is that easy.
vulpinerose 2 years ago
@vulpinerose Just saying it's stupid, doesn't make it so.
"If you don't want children then don't get pregnant. It is that easy"
It's not that easy. There is no birth control that works 100% except for abstinence. Which is why there should be options, such as abortion.
jmt24 2 years ago 2
It is that easy.
You can be abstinent when you are ovulating ,or use several types of protection, alone or together .
In this age of advanced science there is no need for the barbaric practice of abortion.
vulpinerose 2 years ago
@vulpinerose
And yet accidents do happen. "Barbaric" or not, abortion is still needed.
jmt24 2 years ago
@jmt24 You give me one good reason why a mother 'has to' kill the living unborn human baby that she herself helped to create. One reason why killing the baby is 'needed'. Just one.
angelshoulders 1 year ago
It is very easy to not become pregnant.
What is not easy, is for pro deathers to turn down any sexual advance offered to them , even if the man wants to go at it without protection.
And most of the pro deathers are not using protection because they don't get many offers.
They laydown for any chance they can get.
Because they have no ability to demand respect.
vulpinerose 2 years ago
@vulpinerose
Yeah respond with ad-hom, just shows your lack of a strong argument. Regardless of how/why someone got pregnate is irrelevant. This is about weather or not they have the right to end the pregnancy. Last I checked, No one has the right to use your body against your will, neither should a fetus.
jmt24 2 years ago
The fetus does not force the woman to concieve.
That is the womans CHOICE.
The fetus is just an innocent victim of a narcissistic woman, who is unwilling to control her behavior.
vulpinerose 2 years ago
@vulpinerose If an IUD fails, condom breaks, vasectomy/Tubal ligation doesn't take, how is it the woman made the choice to get pregnant?
Also, even if she did choose to get pregnant, why isn't she allowed to change her mind? Forcing a woman to allow another being to use her body is a lot more cruel than ending the life of a non-sentient being.
jmt24 2 years ago
These conditions rarely happen.
Vasectomy and tubaligation are very safe . And any time a woman has sex when she is ovulating she is making the choice to go ahead and have sex . She should be strong enough to take the chances along with the choice.
Abortion only makes women weaker.
I've never seen even 1 strong intelligent woman have an abortion . It is always the crack whores.
vulpinerose 2 years ago
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@vulpinerose "I've never seen even 1 strong intelligent woman..." Then you live in a very small box. 49% of all woman in america experience unwanted pregnancy and 52% have abortions.
"These conditions rarely happen" male Condom failure alone makeup 15% of unwanted pregancy.
"woman has sex when she is ovulating..." This method fails 25% of the time.
But like I said it doesn't matter how/why they got pregnant, nothing has the right to use your body against your will.
jmt24 2 years ago
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@jmt24 Can i just point out that this zealotry of ITS MY BODY even in the comments here but especially at rallies is all well and good but you also have the choice to have sex or not, the child doesnt have the same choice, it cant ask you not to have sex or give it to some parent who wont abort it. its unequal no matter how you put it. its an invalid argument to support murder.
angelshoulders 1 year ago
@angelshoulders It's not invalid, we have claim to our bodies and nobody has the right (not even a fetus) to use your body against your will. In response to your other comment, I don't think a mother "needs" a reason to have an abortion but since you asked
1) if she was raped
2) if there are health risks
3) birth defects
4) if she can't care for the child (yes, i realize adoption is an option)
5) If the fetus suffers or her suffers throughout the pregnancy
jmt24 1 year ago
@jmt24 How on earth can we consider & support our own mother killing us because we were the conceived in rape? Does this mean anyone is superior to someone who is the product of rape? I cannot exchange one tragic event with one ten times worse!The baby does not deserve the death penalty b/c of the sins of the father.
angelshoulders 1 year ago
@jmt24 I agree that if a Dr.who has no financial gain says she will certainly die if she carries the baby to term,that the baby is threatening her very life, that if the mother does not kill the baby the baby will definately kill the mother,as in ectopic. But still,all efforts must be taken to save both lives. Why can't we love the mother & the baby?!?
angelshoulders 1 year ago
@jmt24 What do you mean by suffers? Does that include a headache, hangnail, that explains nothing. Can I kill anyone who causes me to suffer?
angelshoulders 1 year ago
@angelshoulders "How on earth..." If the mother was raped she didn't consent to the fetus being put there so she should be allowed to remove it. If some1 forces me into your house will u allow me to stay till I'm ready to leave? What if I plan on staying a whole year?
"What do you mean..." Pain is subjective, whatever the mother deems unbearable is more than enough for me. And if someone is using your body against your will, wheather or not u suffer, u can kill them, it's called self defense
jmt24 1 year ago
@jmt24 Are you aware that incest & rape combined account for less then 1% of abortions. Does this child deserve the death sentence for the sins of his father? Is is somehow less valuable, less worth of life then you or I? So if the mother suffers a headache,she can kill her own living unborn human baby? Is the baby threatening the mothers very life,she will die if she does not kill her baby
angelshoulders 1 year ago
@angelshoulders Are you aware that that 1% is actually 10,000, I'd say thats significant. Does the mother deserve to be punished with a child? Is she less valuable than a fetus? For me, It's not about value, it's about rights, why should a fetus have more rights than everyone else? Like I said earlier, I don't think the mother needs a reason to abort. Like all interaction between people, consent and continued consent is required. Why does a fetus get to ignore that rule?
jmt24 1 year ago
@jmt24 That 1% is significant when you are talking about killing a living unborn human being,yes,but when millions are concerned?!? 4000 babies a day alone in the U.S. You know that sex ALWAYS=possibility of pregnance.You know that DUI ALWAYS=possibility of killing someone.Yet in an abortion you may kill, DUI, you may not. WHY?!? LEGALIZED MURDER!
angelshoulders 1 year ago
@jmt24 NO NEED::Abortions are done mostly for non-medical reasons. As the abortion industry itself admits on the website of the Alan Guttmacher Institute,"3/4 say they cannot afford a child;3/4 say that having a baby would interfere with work,school or the ability to care for dependents;& half say they do not want to be a single parent or are having problems with their husband or partner."
angelshoulders 1 year ago
@angelshoulders Actually that is a completely valid reason to have an abortion. Obviously you lack empathy.
scythian0528 1 year ago
@jmt24 Won't it be shameful when a mother explains to her children that her older brothers & sister were slaughtered so that she didn't have to be inconvenienced while finishing school,or work.That they survived their mother's killing spree.That her job, her school came before the siblings she had done in.How proud she will feel.The current children will have 'survivors remorse".
angelshoulders 1 year ago
@angelshoulders "LEGALIZED MURDER" Not all killing is murder.
"The current children will have survivors remorse" Most kids wouldn't feel that way. Isn't it comforting to know your mother wanted to have you rather than forced to have you. I'd think so.
jmt24 1 year ago
@jmt24 Abortion is LEGALIZED MURDER. Unless the mother's very life is threatened. Unless carrying the baby to term will most definatly kill her. Unless she does not kill her baby, her baby will kill his/her own mother, then abortion is most certainly legalized murder.Dr. Ney has written about this. Dr. Edward Sheridan of Georgetown University has observed also a fear and mistrust of the mother. Originally, a small child, sensing a siblings arrival, doesnt welcome it.
angelshoulders 1 year ago
@angelshoulders Murder is unlawful premeditated killing, if abortion is legal it's not unlawful, therefore not murder. Killing yes, but not murder.
jmt24 1 year ago
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@jmt24 DO YOU AGREE W/THE NAAP?
"...The abortion-rights folks know it, the anti-abortion folks know it,&so probably, does everyone else.One of the facts of abortion is that women enter abortion clinics to kill their fetuses. It is a form of killing ...you're ending a life." Ron Fitzsimmons, Executive Director, National Coalition of Abortion Providers, New York Times, 26 February 1997
angelshoulders 1 year ago
@jmt24 BIRTH CONTROL:According to the Alan Guttmacher Institute, in 2005, 1.21 million abortions took place in the United States. Some 42,350 of these occurred on women who were 16 to 20 weeks pregnant; over 13,310 occurred on women who were 21 weeks OR MORE into their pregnancy. According to CDC government data, over 64,000 abortions in a year are performed on women who had had three or more previous abortions.
angelshoulders 1 year ago
@angelshoulders 13310, that is less than 1 percent. Great job everyone.
scythian0528 1 year ago
@jmt24 It would be alot more comforting that My mom didn't kill me. It's not like later your going to be born again after your aborted. Your dead. The abortion survivors feel fortunate that they survived, but enraged that people wanted them dead.
TheMasamune444 1 year ago
@TheMasamune444 Technically every month a mother loses a potential child, but I don't see much whining about that.
scythian0528 1 year ago 8
@scythian0528 an egg doesn't have Different DNA of the mother. A fertilized egg has diffferent DNA than the mother.
TheMasamune444 1 year ago
@TheMasamune444 Obviously.
scythian0528 1 year ago
@scythian0528 That means An abortion isn't like a cycle. A fetilized egg and a regular egg aren't the same. Thing that is why abortion is wrong. That isn't just another part of the woman. That is a human being.
TheMasamune444 1 year ago
@TheMasamune444 That is a human being.
How?
scythian0528 1 year ago
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@TheMasamune444 says: That isn't just another part of the woman. That is a human being.
~~~~~~~~ It dosent matter if you call it a Ford F-150...it isnt a human being. if it was abortion would be illegal, but keep lying, It helps pro choice!
Sueezee1 1 year ago
@TheMasamune444 says: an egg doesn't have Different DNA of the mother
~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Biology, medicine, philosophy, theology & science have NO consensus on the issue of abortion, but keep being ignorant, the better for pro choice!
Sueezee1 1 year ago
@Sueezee1 first off that statement had nothing to do with philosophy or theology. Secondly Science does have to with abortion. third an egg doesn't have the different DNA of the mother. fourth scince that was fact, it wasn't ignorant. fith your a phyco bitch.
TheMasamune444 1 year ago
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@TheMasamune444 says: Science does have to with abortion.
~~~~~~~ NO, it dosent! Its about ouir rights, the 5th,9th, 13th, & 14th ammendment, Declaration of human right, necessity, custom & Roe V Wade. NO science!
Sueezee1 1 year ago
@TheMasamune444 says: fith your a phyco bitch
~~~~~~~ Ah sweetie, dont get mad because Im right. If you would just try getting educated and not lie, you might have a valid argument....LMAO.. you WONT, but why not try it.
Sueezee1 1 year ago
@Sueezee1 Well scince your so smart, tell me how medicine, science, and biology has nothing to do abortion. Also if you would be so kind to tell me how saying that the child has different DNA as the mother ties into Theology or philosophy. This is your opportunity to prove just how smart you claim to be.
TheMasamune444 1 year ago
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@TheMasamune444 says: tell me how medicine, science, and biology has nothing to do abortion.
~~~~~ read the laws and tell ME how it DOES? Its not mentioned ONE time. All you have to do it prove me wrong, because I can list all the rulings and prove YOU wrong.
Sueezee1 1 year ago
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@TheMasamune444 says: Well scince your so smart, tell me how medicine, science, and biology has nothing to do abortion.
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LOLOL, I liove the fact that prolifers ALWAYS have to ask pro choicers for the info they dont have! if YOU had the info you SAY you do, you could make me look stupid. So, where is it? What part of science has to do w/ abortion rulings? I'll be waiting.
Sueezee1 1 year ago
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@TheMasamune444 says: ell me how saying that the child has different DNA as the mother ties into Theology or philosophy
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ What in the hell are you talking about ?? When did i EVER say different DNA ties into theo & philo?????? philosophy & Theology has NO ocnsenses on the issue of abortion. Youre boring the hell outta me..get smarter, fast!
Sueezee1 1 year ago
@scythian0528
And men lose legions of the same. I'm anti-abortion, but I don't see anything wrong with the death of sex cells. We can't avoid it, and really it's like the death of every other cell in our bodies - it happens.
Things change at conception. It's when the sex cells of a man an woman merge that it's more than a potential child - it's a genetically complete human being at the earliest stage of development. This isn't whining, it's truth.
mapsandviolins1 1 year ago
@mapsandviolins1 "It's when the sex cells of a man an woman merge that it's more than a potential child " Actually this is when it becomes a potential child, things can and often do fail, and often does fail. Whether it is 'genetically complete' or not doesn't end the argument about whether it is human or not.
Truth is a word that ultimately means nothing, the topic is subjective.
scythian0528 1 year ago
@scythian0528
I guess that depends on how we define 'potential child'. Both the unfertilized sex cell and the fertilized egg could be considered potential children. Technically the fertilized egg is known as a zygote.
Conception is an extremely delicate process, and you're right in saying that it often does fail. Was it about %50 of conceptions never make it to birth? Many times the woman mistakes her early miscarriage for a heavy period.
mapsandviolins1 1 year ago
@scythian0528
Just because things fail, though, doesn't mean much in regards to this issue. Pregnancies can fail at any point. Newborns die mysteriously in the crib. Toddlers die. People die unexpectedly - that failure doesn't define the essence of the thing failing.
Biologically it is completely human. The genetics of a zygote are that of a homo sapiens - a human. It doesn't boast consciousness, but I see value beyond physical contributions.
mapsandviolins1 1 year ago
@mapsandviolins1 "Biologically it is completely human. The genetics of a zygote are that of a homo sapiens - a human. "
If you only count genetics then your argument is valid, but I factor in physiology as well, because physiologically most stages of human development are almost identical to the development of any other mammal.
I am pro-choice because banning abortion is a terrible idea.
scythian0528 1 year ago
@scythian0528
Truth is not entirely subjective. Some things really are relative - the world is very different to different people.
mapsandviolins1 1 year ago
@mapsandviolins1 Truth means less and less.
scythian0528 1 year ago
@scythian0528
In postmodern society, indeed it does. You don't have to make it that way.
mapsandviolins1 1 year ago
@scythian0528
What people believe about the world doesn't alter the reality. Facts don’t change. For example, through the ages there have been many theories, devised by very smart men, about the shape of atoms. Through the ages, the theory most widely accepted by the scientific community has changed.
mapsandviolins1 1 year ago