SOLUTION:machine should print the vote on a receipt immidiately after voting. Voting person would be able to see the receipt for few seconds through the protective glass. After 3 seconds the paper would roll hiding the last vote. That would leave a physical evidence which is controlable during the voting process and after the voting day.
They only had these machines in the east of ireland for the eu treaty vote, there they got 54% Yes, the rural areas and the west had no machines and got 58% No votes and won due to higher turnout. We will all have machines for the next vote- it is not over yet for the EU treaty in ireland.
Here's the big picture, the grand question: WHY THE FUCK ARE CORPORATIONS INVOLVED IN *OUR* (as in 'We the People') VOTING PROCESS? Why is the vote privatized at all? The most sacred element of our democracy, and we allowed it to be handed it over to for-profit entities -- not to mention the fact that these entities have plenty of motivation to commit election fraud.
:O not true! george washington really is the president. george w. bush is just a robot made by the CIA and the government of norway to controll the world! all that is a conspiracy. they even watch you right now
Congratulations! You showed that a team of 20 advanced programmers, given the source code of a machine and unlimited time could create a supervirus to overcome a single voting machine. If the virus really "removed itself" from the machine, it could NOT propagate through the memory card. This is propaganda written to brainwash people who don't know anything about how computers work. The real theft here is your free will.
I'm a programmer, not highly advanced, and i can make that software. Planting the virus is just matter of befriending the responsible. The virus would remove itself AFTER the voting process ends, why would it remove itself before?. Are you mentally impaired? I know how computers work and i believe this.
It seems unlikely to me that anyone clever enough to pull off such a scam, with the political knowledge to know who to rig the election for, the wherewithall to get a key or pick a lock, and the guts to actually execute the hack would bother to do so since they would clearly know that we now appoint presidents through the Supreme Court.
Not quite true. You first have to get to the point of conflict, with a tight, confused election, ala 2000. Then the Supine Court can step in to give it to their party of choice! Electronic voting can inusre that, if desired!! Or, it can just swing the election by swapping votes, ala 2004.
There's an easy way to avoid these machines. Request an absentee ballot and return it. That way your vote is on paper. Don't skip out on Election Day--it's the one patriotic duty that you have.
No machines, PERIOD! Paper ballots and hand counting at the local level with results released localy and sent upward. Also, government supported exit pollling to help insure no fraud took place. An extra bonus, the money for this, hiring temp workers, etc. would inject into the local economies rather than some privitized vote stealing corporation. Canada and Germany count votes by hand just fine!
The green and Libertarian parties are there to take away swing votes from one of the two major ones. Ralph Nader was there to make sure Gore didn't win Florida in 2000, not to win the election and give us an alternative. Trebby2, I agree with you. Until recently, I thought we were much superior to the corrupt goverment of other countries, where no one is held accountable to anything.
"The head of a company vying to sell voting machines in Ohio told Republicans in a recent fund-raising letter that he is "committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president next year."
The differnce between Mexico and the US is that the Mexicans know when their elections are stolen.
These brilliant guys provide this information so that all you conscientious Americans can do your civic duty. Don't wait for election day. Form hunting parties now - find these machines and destroy them!
Better yet, go after Diebold and the people that allowed them to produce such a menace to democracy. These vulnerabilities have been known since before the most recent Presindential Election.
Well, I was being a little superfluous, but I still won't be voting. By voting, I tacitly give my support to a system that I disagree with. Besides the fact that one person doesn't make a notable difference, voting at all is a vote for centralized power. No thanks :-)
No, when you don't vote you give your overt support to candidates like George Bush. I'm not sure exactly what you mean when you say "a system I don't believe in (representative government, electoral college, 2-party system, capitalism?), but when you refuse to think and make hard choices you make it easy for unscrupulous candidates to mislead the public about their true agendas.
The system I don't like is democracy, mainly the ability for a majority to give power to someone to control other people. I would consider voting very local elections, but I don't believe I have the right to try to control events in a place where I don't live.
By paying taxes in this country, you are actively supporting the system. If you disagree with the system, voting (and working to ensure a fair vote) is a way to register that disagreement.
Hehe. I'm a U.S. citizen, but I don't pay taxes or file in the U.S. I disagree with the very IDEA of voting, so voting won't solve that problem. You may be able to elect people that will run the system the way you think it should be run, but you'll never be able to elect someone that will get rid of the system itself because that person would never actually run for office in the first place. Kind of a quandry :-(
Plato said, "the punishment for the wise man who refuses to get involved in politics is to be ruled by lesser men." The organs of the body make decisions for the whole throughout your life - without this scalablity we would all be virii.
By voting, you exercise your only real chance of exercising some control over a system you live within via peacful means. Talk about cutting your own nose off... Idiot!
The whole idea of voting on a mass scale (considering Plato's above quote) is that you should vote more to keep someone else's ideas down, rather than to promote your own. The Iraqi elections are a perfect example. They don't vote en masse because they love "democracy" as much as they fear that an opposing group will screw them. I don't want 51 percent of anyone running my life.
I might add that one person's vote does not make any difference besides one vote), so it's pretty futile to even bother. I'd rather stay home and read a book. Oh....and did you really have to call me an "idiot"? I understand that internet anonymity gives people testicular fortitude they wouldn't otherwise have, but at least be civil!
While true that your 1 vote will NOT make a difference almost every time, what makes a difference is your ATTITDUE toward it. More and more are like you and now we have well over half the voting population not voting in critical national elections. Then the sheeple wonder why they are getting sheared! It's like the lottery; you have to play it to win it. Now as for whom to vote for, sure it's usually the lesser of the two evils. Still, that's something; believe it our not. (Continued... )
A vote for the lesser of two evils is still a vote for evil. How do you vote against evil, if the system itself is evil? If you vote for Bush because you're against abortion, you get everything else that comes with it. You might vote for someone for one reason, but if he wins he takes it as an endorsement of his entire platform! Undoubtedly, it will spin off into oblivion.
(From previous...) The next step is learning and becoming more active within your system. Lieberman had his ass handed to him, in part because of activism to unseat an 18yr Senator! Repugs are winning in part because of plans launched 40+years ago (and stealing!). Things can change but it's up to each of us to take part in the process. That's called Democracy, not "if I can't have what I want I'm holding my breath 'til I turn blue"!
It's not that I'm pissed that I can't have what I want....I don't want anything besides the government to go away. When do I get to vote for that? I don't want Democracy, because that's the problem! 51% dictating rules to the rest.
I would call you an idiot to your face. I do not need "testicular fortitude". I'll be "civil" when you participate in civil-society. You are clueless about the need to PARTICIPATE in your democracy, otherwise, you create YOUR self-fulfilling belief of making no difference; guaranteed! Perhaps you're frustrated, but, as Churchill said, "Democracy is the worst form of government; except for all the others"! Use it or loose it!
While true that your 1 vote will NOT make a difference almost every time, what makes a difference is your ATTITDUE toward it. More and more are like you and now we have well over half the voting population not voting in critical national elections. Then the sheeple wonder why they are getting sheared! It's like the lottery; you have to play it to win it. Now as for whom to vote for, sure it's usually the lesser of the two evils. Still, that's something; believe it our not. (Continued... )
(From previous...) The next step is learning and becoming more active within your system. Lieberman had his ass handed to him, in part because of activism to unseat an 18yr Senator! Repugs are winning in part because of plans launched 40+years ago (and stealing!). Things can change but it's up to each of us to take part in the process. That's called Democracy, not "if I can't have what I want I'm holding my breath 'til I turn blue"!
If you hate the system THAT much why don't you do something about it besides just giving up on it all together? Not voting makes absolutely no sense to me. There are still honest people in our government who need the support of the people. Not voting in November as a form of "silent" protest leaves the few truly decent Representatives with no one holding them up. I agree there are problems with the entire process but the system needs to be fixed not abandoned.
Not voting is, in itself, a vote against the system. Is there any other way to vote against a system other than ignoring it? If you vote, you are agreeing to abide by the results, whether you agree with them or not. Personally, I spend more time figuring out how to circumvent than I do participating in it. I don't want to inflict my views on anyone through gov't force anyway.
I can kind of see the point you want to make but I really don't understand it.
If you live in a nation where laws and leaders are decided by voting you are ALSO agreeing to abide by the results whether you vote or not. Not voting is just willfully giving up the only voice you have.
The process will continue with or without you and not voting does not shield you from the consequences.
By living under a government I'm agreeing to abide by the results? What other choice do I have? Like it or leave it? Like I said, it's the same reason Iraqis vote in huge numbers...because if they don't the other side will screw them. Believe me, voting doesn't shield me from consequences either. It's simply a tacit endorsement of tyranny. Thanks for understanding my point though. Cheers.
SOLUTION:machine should print the vote on a receipt immidiately after voting. Voting person would be able to see the receipt for few seconds through the protective glass. After 3 seconds the paper would roll hiding the last vote. That would leave a physical evidence which is controlable during the voting process and after the voting day.
promtopltd 3 months ago
the best way to prevent this is to hire hookers to rub their std-ridden bodies onto the memory cards.
WavesOfTrolls 7 months ago
Well, they're going to have to recall these voting machines!
GamePro0012 3 years ago
DO the world a favor. Get the fuck off youtube, stop flamming people and stop being such an asshole.
Digified 2 years ago
Beware: GamePro0012 is an asshole.
Digified 2 years ago
They only had these machines in the east of ireland for the eu treaty vote, there they got 54% Yes, the rural areas and the west had no machines and got 58% No votes and won due to higher turnout. We will all have machines for the next vote- it is not over yet for the EU treaty in ireland.
feardia 3 years ago
We are talking C-O-R-R-U-P-T-I-O-N with capital letters.
Elections are being rigged by a corrupt elite. It has happened already and it will happen again and again.
If society doesn't wake up NOW and puts an end to this corruption, BAD NEWS!!!
Btw, 911 = INSIDE JOB. Google it!
qbeac 3 years ago
I'm a programmer, and this is all easily doable.
user134342 4 years ago
scary
christopherKBL 4 years ago
the elitists would rather rig the election against Ron Paul, whether then murder him. that would look a little suspicious.
NoahHoe 4 years ago
Alternate method: Google this phrase
"If You Want To Win An Election, Just Control The Voting Machines"
Tangento 4 years ago
Here's the big picture, the grand question: WHY THE FUCK ARE CORPORATIONS INVOLVED IN *OUR* (as in 'We the People') VOTING PROCESS? Why is the vote privatized at all? The most sacred element of our democracy, and we allowed it to be handed it over to for-profit entities -- not to mention the fact that these entities have plenty of motivation to commit election fraud.
Tangento 4 years ago
Have a look at this article by Thom Hartmann: commondreamsDOTorgSLASHviews03SLASH0131-01DOThtm
We all must DEMAND CHANGE from our representatives!
Tangento 4 years ago
FAKE!! if that was true why Benedict Arnold isn't president now but George W.??
kaputtmacher 4 years ago
it was a frikin Example.. moron.
eirik00 4 years ago
:O not true! george washington really is the president. george w. bush is just a robot made by the CIA and the government of norway to controll the world! all that is a conspiracy. they even watch you right now
kaputtmacher 4 years ago
Congratulations! You showed that a team of 20 advanced programmers, given the source code of a machine and unlimited time could create a supervirus to overcome a single voting machine. If the virus really "removed itself" from the machine, it could NOT propagate through the memory card. This is propaganda written to brainwash people who don't know anything about how computers work. The real theft here is your free will.
bernsten69 4 years ago
I'm a programmer, not highly advanced, and i can make that software. Planting the virus is just matter of befriending the responsible. The virus would remove itself AFTER the voting process ends, why would it remove itself before?. Are you mentally impaired? I know how computers work and i believe this.
luisdanielmesa 4 years ago
It seems unlikely to me that anyone clever enough to pull off such a scam, with the political knowledge to know who to rig the election for, the wherewithall to get a key or pick a lock, and the guts to actually execute the hack would bother to do so since they would clearly know that we now appoint presidents through the Supreme Court.
RebelBubba 5 years ago
Not quite true. You first have to get to the point of conflict, with a tight, confused election, ala 2000. Then the Supine Court can step in to give it to their party of choice! Electronic voting can inusre that, if desired!! Or, it can just swing the election by swapping votes, ala 2004.
FightTheFuture2 5 years ago
There's an easy way to avoid these machines. Request an absentee ballot and return it. That way your vote is on paper. Don't skip out on Election Day--it's the one patriotic duty that you have.
rse506 5 years ago
If this is not stopped, all hope for democracy in the USA will be lost. Restore democracy. Bring back paper voting machines.
straats 5 years ago
No machines, PERIOD! Paper ballots and hand counting at the local level with results released localy and sent upward. Also, government supported exit pollling to help insure no fraud took place. An extra bonus, the money for this, hiring temp workers, etc. would inject into the local economies rather than some privitized vote stealing corporation. Canada and Germany count votes by hand just fine!
FightTheFuture2 5 years ago
This is what Bush and his Neo-C0N Buddies want you to use to vote with so they can stay in power and keep crapin on the poor and middle class people.
kb5zcs 5 years ago
The green and Libertarian parties are there to take away swing votes from one of the two major ones. Ralph Nader was there to make sure Gore didn't win Florida in 2000, not to win the election and give us an alternative. Trebby2, I agree with you. Until recently, I thought we were much superior to the corrupt goverment of other countries, where no one is held accountable to anything.
MrBodyShots 5 years ago
jkeroes,
Thank You for posting this video,5 Stars! There has to be some way of protecting our Democracy!
yorkiebell 5 years ago
utahcountvotes.*/Diebold-Princeton-response.php
and
utahcountvotes.*/Diebold-Princeton-response-DougJones.php
Replace the stars with org
helderheidgeloof 5 years ago
I wonder why all the exit polls turned out to be wrong/innacurate at the end of the day during the '04 election.
MrBodyShots 5 years ago
"The head of a company vying to sell voting machines in Ohio told Republicans in a recent fund-raising letter that he is "committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president next year."
The differnce between Mexico and the US is that the Mexicans know when their elections are stolen.
trebby2 5 years ago
These brilliant guys provide this information so that all you conscientious Americans can do your civic duty. Don't wait for election day. Form hunting parties now - find these machines and destroy them!
floatier 5 years ago
Better yet, go after Diebold and the people that allowed them to produce such a menace to democracy. These vulnerabilities have been known since before the most recent Presindential Election.
web95 5 years ago
Well, I was being a little superfluous, but I still won't be voting. By voting, I tacitly give my support to a system that I disagree with. Besides the fact that one person doesn't make a notable difference, voting at all is a vote for centralized power. No thanks :-)
terrorific 5 years ago
No, when you don't vote you give your overt support to candidates like George Bush. I'm not sure exactly what you mean when you say "a system I don't believe in (representative government, electoral college, 2-party system, capitalism?), but when you refuse to think and make hard choices you make it easy for unscrupulous candidates to mislead the public about their true agendas.
sswantek 5 years ago
The system I don't like is democracy, mainly the ability for a majority to give power to someone to control other people. I would consider voting very local elections, but I don't believe I have the right to try to control events in a place where I don't live.
terrorific 5 years ago
By paying taxes in this country, you are actively supporting the system. If you disagree with the system, voting (and working to ensure a fair vote) is a way to register that disagreement.
arigoldfilms 5 years ago
Hehe. I'm a U.S. citizen, but I don't pay taxes or file in the U.S. I disagree with the very IDEA of voting, so voting won't solve that problem. You may be able to elect people that will run the system the way you think it should be run, but you'll never be able to elect someone that will get rid of the system itself because that person would never actually run for office in the first place. Kind of a quandry :-(
terrorific 5 years ago
Um, thats what the Green and Libertarian Party are for.
Steelethewolf 5 years ago
Plato said, "the punishment for the wise man who refuses to get involved in politics is to be ruled by lesser men." The organs of the body make decisions for the whole throughout your life - without this scalablity we would all be virii.
I do agree with greater localization, though.
bitRAKE 5 years ago
By voting, you exercise your only real chance of exercising some control over a system you live within via peacful means. Talk about cutting your own nose off... Idiot!
FightTheFuture2 5 years ago
The whole idea of voting on a mass scale (considering Plato's above quote) is that you should vote more to keep someone else's ideas down, rather than to promote your own. The Iraqi elections are a perfect example. They don't vote en masse because they love "democracy" as much as they fear that an opposing group will screw them. I don't want 51 percent of anyone running my life.
terrorific 5 years ago
I might add that one person's vote does not make any difference besides one vote), so it's pretty futile to even bother. I'd rather stay home and read a book. Oh....and did you really have to call me an "idiot"? I understand that internet anonymity gives people testicular fortitude they wouldn't otherwise have, but at least be civil!
terrorific 5 years ago
While true that your 1 vote will NOT make a difference almost every time, what makes a difference is your ATTITDUE toward it. More and more are like you and now we have well over half the voting population not voting in critical national elections. Then the sheeple wonder why they are getting sheared! It's like the lottery; you have to play it to win it. Now as for whom to vote for, sure it's usually the lesser of the two evils. Still, that's something; believe it our not. (Continued... )
FightTheFuture2 5 years ago
A vote for the lesser of two evils is still a vote for evil. How do you vote against evil, if the system itself is evil? If you vote for Bush because you're against abortion, you get everything else that comes with it. You might vote for someone for one reason, but if he wins he takes it as an endorsement of his entire platform! Undoubtedly, it will spin off into oblivion.
terrorific 5 years ago
(From previous...) The next step is learning and becoming more active within your system. Lieberman had his ass handed to him, in part because of activism to unseat an 18yr Senator! Repugs are winning in part because of plans launched 40+years ago (and stealing!). Things can change but it's up to each of us to take part in the process. That's called Democracy, not "if I can't have what I want I'm holding my breath 'til I turn blue"!
FightTheFuture2 5 years ago
It's not that I'm pissed that I can't have what I want....I don't want anything besides the government to go away. When do I get to vote for that? I don't want Democracy, because that's the problem! 51% dictating rules to the rest.
terrorific 5 years ago
I would call you an idiot to your face. I do not need "testicular fortitude". I'll be "civil" when you participate in civil-society. You are clueless about the need to PARTICIPATE in your democracy, otherwise, you create YOUR self-fulfilling belief of making no difference; guaranteed! Perhaps you're frustrated, but, as Churchill said, "Democracy is the worst form of government; except for all the others"! Use it or loose it!
FightTheFuture2 5 years ago
god you are dumb
Tonydonza 5 years ago
Very well put. You are a gentleman and a scholar. Care to tell me why, or simply reaffirm the fact that you are the dumb one?
terrorific 5 years ago
While true that your 1 vote will NOT make a difference almost every time, what makes a difference is your ATTITDUE toward it. More and more are like you and now we have well over half the voting population not voting in critical national elections. Then the sheeple wonder why they are getting sheared! It's like the lottery; you have to play it to win it. Now as for whom to vote for, sure it's usually the lesser of the two evils. Still, that's something; believe it our not. (Continued... )
FightTheFuture2 5 years ago
(From previous...) The next step is learning and becoming more active within your system. Lieberman had his ass handed to him, in part because of activism to unseat an 18yr Senator! Repugs are winning in part because of plans launched 40+years ago (and stealing!). Things can change but it's up to each of us to take part in the process. That's called Democracy, not "if I can't have what I want I'm holding my breath 'til I turn blue"!
FightTheFuture2 5 years ago
If you hate the system THAT much why don't you do something about it besides just giving up on it all together? Not voting makes absolutely no sense to me. There are still honest people in our government who need the support of the people. Not voting in November as a form of "silent" protest leaves the few truly decent Representatives with no one holding them up. I agree there are problems with the entire process but the system needs to be fixed not abandoned.
Tonydonza 5 years ago
Not voting is, in itself, a vote against the system. Is there any other way to vote against a system other than ignoring it? If you vote, you are agreeing to abide by the results, whether you agree with them or not. Personally, I spend more time figuring out how to circumvent than I do participating in it. I don't want to inflict my views on anyone through gov't force anyway.
terrorific 5 years ago
I can kind of see the point you want to make but I really don't understand it.
If you live in a nation where laws and leaders are decided by voting you are ALSO agreeing to abide by the results whether you vote or not. Not voting is just willfully giving up the only voice you have.
The process will continue with or without you and not voting does not shield you from the consequences.
Tonydonza 5 years ago
By living under a government I'm agreeing to abide by the results? What other choice do I have? Like it or leave it? Like I said, it's the same reason Iraqis vote in huge numbers...because if they don't the other side will screw them. Believe me, voting doesn't shield me from consequences either. It's simply a tacit endorsement of tyranny. Thanks for understanding my point though. Cheers.
terrorific 5 years ago
Wow. Very scary. Perhaps the best way to avoid voter fraud is to simply stay home on election day. I know I will!
terrorific 5 years ago
How is not voting going to prevent voter fraud? Sounds like a poor excuse for neglecting your civic duty.
governmentboi 5 years ago
I hope that was sarcasm, sir.
jkeroes 5 years ago
Kudos to authors of this paper and the demonstration videos. Great university, Princeton.
VodkaJazz 5 years ago
vote or die....
heh
novalaw 5 years ago