Mythbusters Paintball Request

[macgyver2210]

I've done Liquid N2 in a hopper and gotten solid paintballs, but it's impractical and doesn't last long. The gelatin capsules become so brittle I always broke one or more in the barrel.

The oil myth is mostly not true. There are some types of oil that will conflagrate under extreme pressure, but most oils used for air lines and guns is not of that type. There is also an initial heat source required for the diesel reaction, which in the case of a tank would have to be caused by filling expansion

[teeheeman1000]

FUCK YOU WMG

[pntbller14]

Mike from TechPB has vids busting the frozen paint myth (freezing paint makes it more brittle, not harder) and yes an HPA tank will explode if someone is dumb enough to pu oil on/near the fill nipple, then fill it with HPA

[LordOdin2008]

@pntbller14 1) Frozen paintballs hit harder than regular paintballs because the fill becomes more viscous. See my Frozen Paintball Test for verification.

2) Sound theory but it hasn't been proven yet. If an expert can replicate it in a controlled environment and show the video to millions, then why not do it?

[Kahanamoku]

@LordOdin2008 It has been proven... just ask the guy that did it.... oh yeah, that's right, he's dead!

[vommf123]

@LordOdin2008 it breaks coming out lol

[nowan4ever]

@LordOdin2008 no your wrong about the paintballs....

[geod5]

the air tank is true. frozen paintballs go soft when they cool down, so the only way to have a rock solid paintball is to take a tank of liquid nitrogen to the field. someone would notice!! 3rd the wall of paint, the paintballs leave the gun at about 280 feet per second. as they are large and round they loose momentum quickly. i doubt that it would be enough to knock someone backwards with a force to put them in hospital, though it might hurt a bit.. spam to use up character limit. ghajkdhsjdhs

[loganpeter1]

explosions r kool

[Mark37251]

i love this video lol

[here2there4life]

mikes already done the frozen paintballs myth, they just come apart in your hand look for them under techpb's videos

[LordOdin2008]

@here2there4life I've seen the videos and have even conducted my own frozen paintball test after this request was made. Check it out. Its pretty insightful and puts plausibility into the myth.

[kevintao95]

@LordOdin2008 or just buy some monsterballs....

[LordOdin2008]

@kevintao95 Last I checked, they don't manufacture them anymore. Shame because I had some plans for other tests with them, too.

[bettafish110]

@LordOdin2008 there like cheaper reballs LMFAOO

[Pilotsofer]

@LordOdin2008 they're still manufactured. they're just a little hard to get

[LordOdin2008]

@Pilotsofer Are they? I'm sure a few boxes are still floating around in circulation but I'm pretty sure they aren't made anymore. I couldn't find it on the manufacturer's website anymore.

[Pilotsofer]

@LordOdin2008 then ur probably right. a couple of weeks ago i saw a case @ the field i go to

[ingz1993]

@here2there4life that did not happen in my case. i froze like 50balls and they did not turn rockhard but they becam quite hard. i did not have anny chops or breaks neither

[thedeem0N]

I'm a Pro Level Tournament Player (Naughty Dogs) & I've been "Bunkered" by opponents in tournaments multiple times in the same spot before...& yeah, I've had welts last like 4-6 months before...when I was a senior in high school, I used to get hit in the neck a lot & a ton of people would be like "nice hickey" & when you get hit really bad or at close range by a high end paintball gun, small dots of blood come out on top of the welt sometimes...

[assassinsrock]

you even put it in your hopper, and the wall of paint is just a stupid thing to test, you can't be hit simultaneously (possibly you mean faster than the human reaction time) by 1,000 of anything

[LordOdin2008]

@assassinsrock It doesn't have to be hit simultaneously. Even a rapid stream is enough to knock people over (think water hoses).  That's why Tom Kaye put the neck reinforcement in place (the what-if factor). Besides, since when it have to be realistic for Mythbusters? Perfect example is the test of swimming in water vs syrup.

[here2there4life]

@LordOdin2008 or tenderizing meat with C4 plastic explosive and a washing machine full of marbles

[assassinsrock]

confermed busted busted theres your show

[LordOdin2008]

@assassinsrock Proof, please?

[assassinsrock]

@LordOdin2008

tanks blowing up has happened before history proves that their have been people who put oil into the fill nipple and when they try to air it up BOOM, ok yes there is a point where you can freeze paintballs so the ppc (might need to check exactly what their using right now last time I checked it was ppc) inside will melt but by that point you only have 5 or 6 minutes before they heat up enough to turn back into a liquid, and even if it is kept a solid the shell will fall of before

[LordOdin2008]

@assassinsrock Yes, there are reports (as my video has shown) but why not make a video of it? A demonstration of how dangerous it can be is a great deterrent for uninformed people.

Also, frozen paintballs aren't only used in warm temps. Ever played in the winter? Paintballs fills, depending on the composition, can become very viscous and do hit harder (sometimes twice as hard) as a warm paintball.

[assassinsrock]

@LordOdin2008 Im in california so no I don't get the chance to play in the snow ever, so for me its a non-issue, also you don't have to worry about it cause the shell is going to rip apart and your not gonna be hitting anything

[LordOdin2008]

@assassinsrock Shell brittleness is more of a problem for thinner shelled paint, whereas thicker shells are less susceptible to lower temps. Case in point, Polar Ice. Thick shell and oil-based fill that becomes more viscous. See my Frozen Paintball Test to see what I mean. I would like to note I never got a barrel break at any point during the test with either brands of paint. However, breaks are more prone when the barrel gets cold, too.

[zoa1011]

06 ego? damn lol

[MrSmilemon]

i thought when you said hard as a rock i reed cock

[reaper0991]

paintballs do not contain water so they cannot freeze so if u put them in a freezer they will only become more brittle so they hurt less

[LordOdin2008]

@reaper0991 You might wanna rethink that.  Check out my frozen paintball test to see what I mean. Even oil-based paintballs become more viscous. Despite the shells becoming more brittle, the fill retains the kinetic energy more. So they hurt more.

[CPRpaintball]

oklahoma dday isnt the biggest, dday at skirmish was it had 5600 players and i was one of them!!!!!

[TheSuperRunner]

First: true, DO NOT lubricate the fill nipple, see techPB's vid. Second: no, See TechPB's vid and others, paint just gets brittle.

[pntballer4life01]

i dont think it will be dangerous because when i put them in a freezer and shoot them the shell comes right off of them. if they get any more forzen then i think they will be even more brittle and un shootable

[LordOdin2008]

This is exactly why it should be tested. People only have ideas about what will happen because its never been done before. If there's one thing that I've learned from paintball testing is that unexpected things can happen and they happen more often than you would think.

[RANGONO]

well u say its never been done before but has anybody asked those ppl in the vid if they put some kind of oil in the fill nipple ..if they have its not a myth but it would b cool to see a video of it tho:P

[pntballer4life01]

well since some paintballs have oil in their paint then it wolnt freeze just ger slushy. as for the water ones who i gonna go to their field and set up this whole liquid nitrogen rig. also the colder paintballs get the more brittle the geleton shell gets ive tested this i froze some paint below 0 degrees for a few days and when i shot it the shells just sprayed. also TECHPB answers all these questions.

[LordOdin2008]

We're not talking about what is practical; we're talking about what is theoretical.  Right now, people are only saying its impossible to freeze paintballs and that's simply not true. Drop the temperature enough and any liquid will freeze solid. They can freeze but the question remains how hard they'll be and if they'll be dangerous. Not practical but entirely possible.

And yes, I follow TechPB, in case you haven't seen me on the forums.

[cattew]

no paintballs are water based. all are oil based. none of them freeze solid. they only get really brittle. thats why winter paint was invented

[pntballer4life01]

exactly

[cattew]

hence no more need for argument. yes you could flash freeze them. but no civillians have that access. and no scientist will get kicks off of shoorting innaccurate frozen paintballs at people. even so, it wouldnt even hurt that much. the big fear is stupid teenagers such as myself doing it

[pntballer4life01]

the n2 tank one is true the frozen paintball one is false and im not sure about the dday one

[LordOdin2008]

Really? You've dipped paintballs in liquid nitrogen? Until someone does that, its not impossible.

[pyro5050]

yes, it is possible to freeze paintballs in liquid nitrogen, not in a house hold freezer. if a paintball was flash frozen i could see it causing the shell to fracture and the centre be a solid marble, and not flying too well at all... even still, shotting it out the marker would become difficult because paintballs flex in a barrel and get smaller... so a larger barrel would have to be used.

[wiilikepie]

I've seen someone do it, its like a rose dude, it still just becomes really really brittle and the paint breaks more easily than when kept at room temperature.

[mactoshdog]

its commen sens to us, becaue we play ball.

but for people thinking of starting, seeing an episode like this could encourage them

[spartanx666x]

seems to me that these are all qustions a noob would ask. its all common sence

[LordOdin2008]

Of course its common sense but that's not the point. You could have found that out if you read the other comments instead of blind posting.

[CockerTech]

i would like to se the exploding tank

[thatguru876]

if you put BigBall paint in a freezer it does dent but it does freeze rock solid

[dirtbeast937]

paintballs cannot freeze like a rock. they get more brittle and break easier.

[LordOdin2008]

I'm totally with you but no one has done it yet. I just want a video to be made so that the final nail in the coffin can be set and no one can ever bring it up again without being corrected with proof.

[dirtbeast937]

mike from techpb has done it.

[LordOdin2008]

Mike did a freezer; not liquid nitrogen. LN is not realistic or practical but we're only concerned with the theory of it. The absolute max of what is possible.

[a918bmxr]

ya but that also depends on the quality and brand

[TrackerF16]

i was there, on the atlantic wall, as a german, i watched tom kaye "lead the charge" we werent allowed to shoot, at all, the photos were for publicity

[Smartparts1993]

ya but liquid nitrogen is so cold if you put it in the nitrogen its so cold the paint ball if you hit it wit a hammer it will just shatter we did it in science class but with a flower

[mtmmann]

that would be a cool show

[takeyoudown059]

u can freeze a paintball by useing liquid hydrogen it can freeze anything becuz its teprature is -300 degrees and if it can freeze alcohol it can deff freeze a paintball

[bob111393]

idk about the first and last ones but the frozen paintballs wont work their made of oil so i dosent freeze it just makes the shell brittle so they break to easily to be shot from a gun they just break in the barrel and in the hopper while u run

[fireblade8577]

umm

no only some paint balls are oil based so the water based ones will freeze and break in the hopper but it depends what paintball you get

[gumball110]

frozen paintballs wont shoot, they break in the in the barrel. and i have had a co2 tank explode on me. i took it off while we were taking a break, and it was left in the sun. i don't know what happened, all i know is it shot off like a rocket.

[geonerd]

Do some of these, MB dudes and dudettes.!

[twocvbloke]

I've seen the "diesel engine" effect before in an airgun and a CO2 gun, where the barrels were being cleaned, then fired to clear out the oil, and it ignited, but not explode, just a smoking gun that only fired air... :)

[pimpinlobster]

dude!!! the playing feild @ 0:51 is amazing i want to go there now

[GEagle30]

I hope they use this one!

[sfp1031]

This is a great Idea. Please Mytbusters! :)

[MMprotopaintball20]

i don't know it was avideo online

[LordOdin2008]

The only two that pop out in my mind with Paintball is the Nvidia Mona Lisa demonstration and the Ultimate Mythbuster standoff between Adam and Jamie. I couldn't find anything else related.

[MMprotopaintball20]

mythbusters did it online once

[LordOdin2008]

Which myth? Source?

[MMprotopaintball20]

they shoulnd't do any of them because we all know that putting oil on your fill niple makes your tank explode. and we all know freezing paintballs makes for more brittle paint. and i didn't even get the third one

[LordOdin2008]

We only know the theory of it. No one has video of an exploding tank or has tried dipping paintballs in liquid nitrogen. And no one has certaintly tried getting shot with over 1000 paintballs all at once.

[aplayaz2000]

more paintball myths ! and bust these myths

[Thepersonwhowantsto]

Is this the same Odin who did the Reball density tests on the TechPB forum?

[LordOdin2008]

Yes it is.

[LordOdin2008]

I've seen those videos and I believe them but nobody has done a test to confirm them. Even Mike said it was too dangerous to test the tank myth. It's perfectly logical but it would be nice to have a cool explosion to go along with it. The frozen paintballs are only to see if its possible in the most extreme possibility like with liquid nitrogen. Like mentioned down below, I don't think they will turn solid but a test would be the only way to confirm it.

[Froastwolf]

Cool I hope they do the first 2

[Technologiclongboard]

song?

[LordOdin2008]

Boom-shack-a-lak by Apache Indian

[skull9111]

frozen paintb is busted because I have polar ice winter paint and i frozen and accidently dropped it 3 feet and it shatterd, then I had 139 chilled polar ice balls(i chill them so they pop of off people easier) and the just bounced of off the ground

[LordOdin2008]

How cold was it? Drop the temperature low enough and the fill will turn solid eventually. The question is what temperature is needed before they are dangerous.

[bryan23ferra]

it wont turn solid they will just shatter and mess up your gun

[LordOdin2008]

I think you're right but nobody has done a test on this beyond Tyger. He put his in the freezer but I'm looking for temps colder than that. Can we say liquid nitrogen? Only looking at the most extreme possibility so people can say if its even possible. IMO, most likely won't happen in regular playing conditions.

[kioti123]

Considering Mythbusters has involved paintball in their Myths several times, and the Mona Lisa nVidia event, I think this has a good chance of getting at least one Myth on the s how. +1.

[esp6494]

they should really do this! u got my recommendation!

[angeloneballer]

anyone email discovery channel with this link yet?

i think its am amazing idea.

[LordOdin2008]

Don't forget to recommend it in their Viewer Challenge comment section. It will really help.

[WaterlooRansom]

ya hope it gets chosen, btw i think the songs from dumb and dumber!

[Andrew51734]

techpb

[Paintballpdh19]

this would be an AMAZING WAY TO REPRESENT OUR SPORT, HOPE THIS GETS ON THE AIR!!!

[spartan001zadkiel]

the great wall o paint! that would be hilarious to see!