This program is great just one thing. Why do we really need to have two spacecrafts go up? Why not go back to the saturn V and upgrade it? Just saying
42 years ago the whole of humanity was united.And that was the moon landing on the 21st of July 1969.What is the most important thing to a nation,to all humanity? Is it not our dreams? What are our goals? what are we bleeding and sweating tears for? We have no dreams that we know we will reach in our generation.For Obama killed the moon programme,he murdered our dreams,and now our Dream has died.
The money is there, the technology is not. It is not a question of money as to going to the moon today: rather they can't do it. The amount of money brought in by a moonwalk today would be staggering. Residuals, advertising, toys, endorsements, sponsors, and much more, trillions of trillions of dollars would be made. Money is no excuse. Hoax is why.
@EGMAG Stop saying bullshit. Money needed to send humans anywhere over orbit is truly staggering, and it won't turn a profit. It was done in Cold War since it was a better way to say WE ARE BETTER THAN REDS than outright nuclear exchange, but there was no other scope.
We have bots all over the solar system. Moon (dead cold war relics), Mars (rovers), asteoids (that japanese craft that returned a sample lately), stuff that passed gas giants and is headed out (Voyager 1 and 2)
Something wrong with the video: I saw the badge "NASA" and we all know America is switching over to privatization of space travel. So more than likely US astronauts will be wearing McDonalds badges or some shit.
also, to all the naysayers. they put little reflector arrays on the moon for mesuring its distance which are still used. they had to be set up by people. if we didnt land, how did they get there?
While the people who think everything is a hoax are busy arguing about crap, the thinkers and doers are taking what has already been learned and building on it. The simple fact is Armstrong and Aldrins names go down in history for what they actually did do...which is land on our moon. The nay-sayers will be forgotten because well... they never do anything interesting or important because they can't even believe in themselves let alone the advancement of mankind.
If it has to do with the US achieving something there is always a conspiracy theory to shoot it down and every time there's a conspiracy theory there is 100+ theories about the same subject. Some people are so lame
any way, most idea of moon colinazation seem silly to me. maybe a base like the iss but colinization is ridiculous. its an inhospitable place. maybe machins to mine stuff but not much else. a base there for missons to mars and other places could work becasue theres alot oess gravity to break free from
@Joesolo13 Sorry believer, but where can I see (and when have you ever seen..):
- pictures taken from earth (or Hubble satellite) of the flags and stuff left on the moon? Oh may be NASA like to keep them secret, and prefer to pay bunch of retard to do expensive documentary showing that flags can flap on the moon, that foot prints are possible, that roket enginees make no noise in the LEM...I am sorry to say but the pictures you are refering to do not exist, unless somebody can prove I am wrong.
@Joesolo13 Ok then, I am gonna buy an Hubble-similar telescope. Great idea. Bit expenses, sure, but I can convince myself. Perhaps, I can also sell these beautiful pictures to magazines, for huge amount of money obviously, to convince also other millions of people about moon landing, pictures never seen before (except by youreself). And eventually i will dissolve the Apollo consipiracy for ever. Jesolo13 your are Magic. Why Nasa do not do that, but I have to?
@1965christian they have better things to do. im not gonn keep arguing. its a fact we landed on the moon, the russian moon rover even saw a landing site. if your going to ignore reality, thats your choice. i know they did, most people know they did. f you ignore this fine. it dosnt hurt me. though the last person to deny it to neil got punched in the face and the coruts said neil had every right too.
@Joesolo13 Well, you think that using Hubble few hours just to take few pictures of one moon landing area (just one) to clean all this moon conspiracy craps (which I am sure you can understand they have also huge political issues about USA government) is loss of time, while using Hubble days and days to take another boring picture of another farest galaxy in the univers of another gass clouds it is instead extremely more important.... oooooh yes sure!!!
@1965christian Think the moon pics are documentary huh? Ok, your yearbook pictures were just computer created images. All those memories of your friends were just actors pretending to be your friends. You don't exist, you're just a brain in a lab who's constantly experimented on. Get it? Probably do, but still believe that the moon landing's a hoax. Then stay away from those of us who know what happened, its annoying. People like you don't believe in Niel just because you can, no other reason.
Says the Jealous Brit... Now if you actually lived here you would know that we've been spending money on other things like your fucking "British Petroleum (BP)" Oil Spill, although technically we have to fix it, and have been cutting funding to NASA... and funny because last I recall we were the ones who saved you from Nazis... and I'm pretty sure the Brits have to "hitch a ride with the Soviet's" because they haven't even been on the Moon... Let's see your Space Agency
Damn, That diss put me down, I mean, There's nothing better than ignorantly calling someone a Monkey for believing something that's true... Have fun thinking everything in your life is a Hoax and that the U.S. "Can't achieve anything"... But I have a Question for you, How do you not believe we made it to the Moon? I Mean we have a fucking International Space Station in space... if we have that it wouldn't be too hard to get to the Moon especially in 1969...
Your one to talk... Brainwashed by the few people who actually believe that... And I didn't know the Earth had 0 G's... I'm actually floating out of my seat right now... Take a bit to think about what your saying because around 90% of the World I would say... would think your just crazy...
Well first off, () is not a Number... Second, What percent of those are actually smart and have a masters in aerospace engineering or aviation? 0% their all kids and/or I guess you could say people who have nothing to do in their life and don't believe the human race can do that, Think... You sound retarded when you speak...
Dont worry China will go to the Moon and show the USA and Russia it can be done Hope they land where Apollo 11 landed and make history because USA and Russia are scared to go near the moon
@mysay2u russia is supposed to team up with china and maybe, maybe try and put a man on the moon in 2030. But since NASA was there 6x between 69-72 no one really needs to go. They found out the moon had no water and was dry. with all their tech today, you'd think a trip to the moon would be a piece of cake. yeah, the sad nasa shills deserve more thrashings.
There's an Australian Space Agency? Didn't think so... Russia and the US have been to space more than China... Ever heard of the "Space Race"... not much China in that...
I think it's just great that we went to the moon with the computing power of my cellphone. And we did it on the first try, really. Awesome! Go team. We showed the Russians, didn't we? I hope they can find a way to go back very soon, since it's been 40 years.
@never4getthis Hopefully before 2060, because I turn 99 that year. I was almost 8 when they landed on the Moon for the first time. We were playing TV tag and a kid said, "Hey they're about to land on the Moon!" So we all ran indoors and watched it. Very exciting times! Go NASA!
@never4getthis Actually the program starts in 2011. Don't know if they will send anyone soon but the space shuttle program is already canceled effective May 2010. So any other mission will be through the Ares I or Ares V rockets which are the ones who are supposed to bring us back to the moon.
lol going to the moon was possible 40 years ago, we cant do it now however because we just dont have the brain power to do it. computers have basically "dumbed" us down ..... but shit happens ya never know
well put goreslam.... I was born shortly after the Saturn V and Skylab's last launch and growing up never thought that NASA would go on a downward slope because of NASA lacking money.... its very sad, I thought I would be able to see men and women walk on the moon in HD.... just so sad
The Apollo moon missions were faked in a studio. To see a partial summary of the evidence of fakery, google "The Naked Scientists". In the "New Theories" section of the forum there's a thread entitled "Did We Land on the Moon?". The summary is on page 15. It's the 7th post from the top.
thank you my British friend, im Canadian and im sick of listening to Americans bull shiting about how grate they apparently are. America is full of ignorant racist who thought the terminator would make a good Governor
Not all Americans are "ignorant" and "racist" SOME actually have a life, fight for their country, and oppose Racism and buddy... it's called Nationalism... everyone has it in their blood... and if you really wanna say that shit about the Terminator your the one who uses a leaf on their flag...
Glad you're here... you can cut a check tonight to cover the taxes they'll steal from me to fund the pipe dreams of those NASA geeks wearing the platinum pockeet protectors.
Lucky ? haha And what's your individual share of the UK national debt ? You should consider yourself lucky because our new socialist leader Barack Hussein just doubled our (our children/grandchildren/great-grandchildren) obligation.
UK = 61 million people, USA = 300 million people. USA is supposedly the richest country in the world, you do the math. I'm sure we bear more of the brunt than you. Fill your car up with fuel down my street and you'd get a shock I can tell you. This is why we drive 1.6 litre Diesels and you all drive 4 litre petrols. Dry your eyes and get on with it.
LOL ... speaking of 'bearing the brunt' why not quit your appeasement of terror networks by whining about your pathetic contribution to fighting it and buck up and match our body count.
How pathetically predictable you Americans are, didn't take long to get on the subject eh? What's the matter did your neurons run out of original ideas!?
The reason your body count is so high?.....
It's because you rely on technology too much and can't handle asymmetric warfare! In short - YOUR MILITARY IS SHIT, THAT'S WHY THEY DIE! haha
LOL ... muslim trash over-running your country and you haven't the balls or means (you pussies gave up your right to own firearms) to deal with it... bwaa ha ahaa ha ha ha
Guess you parents didn't tell ya, but you'd either be goose-stepping to your minimum wage factory job or drinking Vodka with your cereal if it wasn't for the USA ... The brits that helped out are heroes, and you're stuck in mom's basement bedroom watching reruns of Benny Hill,, pathetic
It took less than a day to regress to WWII? I'm impressed! That's a new record!
I'll take the 'Brits that helped out are heroes' as a compliment. As a RAF (Air Force) Officer I have served in Iraq and have a medal to show for my trouble. Play the 'I don't believe you card' I couldn't care less, it's a fact! So when were you last in Basrah or Kabul? I didn't think so.
You American's are really great at War... how did Vietnam go again? Oh yeah, you lost ... oops!
omg , when i look out of the window at night , and I see the moon bright in heaven , it makes me wanna go to moon NOW , and the apollo programm was real. aswell as the moonlanding,
@wazzmastermax When China gets there, it will claim soveriegnty of the moon and all its resources and there won't be a single thing anyone can do about it. They probably won't ever let us near it. China will become undisputed leader of the world. I can't believe America is allowing this!
Well that may be a little extreme, but I see where you're coming from. I believe America is of the opinion; "If we can't do it, nobody can", which is a big assumption to make.
Regardless of all the political factors, what about the loss to the expansion of human understanding? Money dictates the speed of human progress, but when it dictates the direction we have reached a sad state of affairs.
I don't recall the exact words, but the late great Carl Sagan said; "Exploration is the fire of the human spirit, when exploration stops, stagnation starts"....(or words to that effect.)
Yes, let man RETURN to the moon! After the successful and historic Apollo moon missions - let's return to the moon. Read: "A Man on the Moon" by Andrew Chaikin, the most researched and documented book on the Apollo lunar missions - best-seller and made into the HBO mini-series "From Earth to the Moon". Check it out in YT. All factual, historical and TRUE!
How nice! too bad it ain't gonna happen with Obama and his budget cuts-it is logical to give gazilions of dollars to bankrupt companies and banks, not to NASA, cause-hell, why we need to send stuff to Moon?
@bobafetthotmail do you realize that you speak total nonsense? Recent FED purchase of treasurys costed 600 bilion $. NASA budget is around 18 bilion. Military budget is 700 billion. Health care bill was somethig around that too, and second baillout also. So tell me how everything is gonna collapse becuase you will give 25 billion to NASA instead of 18 and for baillout 693? it still went to hell, but at least you advance technology. And that IS usefull.
The politicians would never accept to spend money (which is other people's condensed labour) in a useful way. That's why they spend trillions for losing wars of attrition or give trillions as gifts to their psychotic masters, the crazy casino-players known as banksters, while millions of people are starving. Space travel is a nice idea, but nice never played a role in the first place.
Yes! its about time we went back to the moon! (and i said "back") all that hoax stuff is as much bs as when they said it couldnt be done. Small minds dwelling on what they cant do because theyre so small they cant even dream it.
why couldn't we do it? piece of cake... we went 40 years ago over and over; why would it be hard to go back? shouldn't this have already happened five years ago? It only took two months to follow Apollo 10 with Apollo 11; so how long should it take to knock off another mission? ... 40 years further advanced with computers that are trillions of times more powerful?
@Bigredgumball OOh yes sure! It is all about dreaming!! The answer to your crapy message was hidden in your message... Ok then, let's dream ... May be this carpy and expenses stupid film might help us a little bit better than the old faked pictures. NASA think.
It is not a question of money as to going to the moon today: rather they can't do it. The amount of money brought in by a moonwalk today would be staggering. Residuals, advertising, toys, endorsements, sponsors, and more, trillions of trillions of dollars would be made. Money is no excuse. Hoax is why.
All respected science thinks your little "moon landing conspiracy" is laughable.
I doubt you're aware of the brand new pictures of the moon landing sites that have completely debunked all claims made in the past few months. They are on the NASA website. Stop making yourself sound like an idiot.
"... brand new pictures of the moon landing sites ..." - PacG
True man, but you know these Hoaxer wackos, they'll just claim that those pics are fake too. Buzz Aldrin should crack 'em over the head with a Moon rock and they'd STILL think it was fake.
The evidence of a hoax is crushing. I posted a partial summary of it on a science forum. To see it, google "The Naked Scientist". In the "New Theories" section there's a thread entitled "Did we land on the moon?". The post is on page 15. It's the 7th one from the top.
Nah... dump all these programs and put the money behind something called the 'paper airplane device' - a gizmo that if you were to drop it at the same time you drop a feather, the feather would hit the ground first. and the paper airplane device would hit the ground slightly westward of the the spot directly beneath it's drop point. This gizmo will lead to the first C+transportation machine. 'Super luminal', you know.
FUCK U!!! Go get a life prick. I'm so sick&tired of losers like you. Give a least a grain of respect to America's greatest accomplishment as you Yankees call it yourselves.
i devisd a plan that poculd send a hundred rockets to mars for half what they charge to go once but nobody there will listen amazing people dont know what goes on in there own country but people know what there movie stars are doing
tomanyasses couldn't said it better....as for that guy up there saying that unavoidable "FUCK U!!!" don't worry, that's all they ever known to say...that's all they ever really were about...and that's exactly how you went on the moon as well...
Not all of them of course, no disrespect...but big majority of today's world especially USA are sad corrupted materialistic and morally distorted people...
NASA has had HORRIBLE, HORRIBLE funding cuts in the past decades. The main problem for its slow progress is extreme funding cuts. Shit, they throw 150 billion dollars into AIG, countless billions more into welfare and bails, these two stupid, pointless wars...and that costs trillions. And here, we have the all-important NASA...getting a MEASLY 14 billion a year. I hate our fucking government. Sheesh...
Don't say they those are Obama's ideas, As much as we all hated bush he raised the bugdet and planned to go to the moon. Of course Obama said no once he got in, cause he knows what is a watse right? so WTF is that?
@goreslam I agree with you man. I don't now if they realize that space is a very powerful weapon against any enemy, and now is the opportunity for us to exploit space exploration. I say that they should give NASA the money amount of of one day of war (2 billion dollars).
Most space crafts don't return to earth. The ones that do don't need much fuel. they use earths gravity to get back to the planet. Like an asteroid that hits the earth doesn't need fuel to come down.
1. Check the lists of contributing scientists. You will find many non-US scientists.
2. Now there is no urgent reason to go to the moon. I mean, to simply go there, like the other nations.
3 Still I find it weird, spite that technology has been developing very steadily since 1960, especially computing, the return comes only in 10 years (60 years). Could the political situation influence NASA's research projects so badly? :(
If they launched manned spacecraft from the Moon to mars it would use Esentially 1/6th of the weight.. You wouldnt need to carry as much fuel or use as much power to break the moons gravity as it would to break the earths gravity so you could carry a shit load more stuff to mars from the moon
Plus the added advantage of no atmosphere friction.But as a enthusiast of all things space I would personally launch a Mars bound spacecraft from Earth orbit fully fueled.Saving the infastructure required to be a Moon based launch.
But I'd still like to see Moonbases and reqular flights to the Moon and Mars.
Go to the moon, mine helium 3, bring it back, make electricity. It's very economically doable.
Go to Mars, exploit whatever is there in the same way. People naturally pick up stuff and bring it home and assign value to it. It's an instinct. Mars will pay off someday, just like the moon is about to.
Lool, can't wait to see all those half brain's taking trip's to the Moon, cuz as soon as they get passed the 5th outer atmosperic layer of Earth, they're all gona get a heart attack at 2 minute's 41 seconds; and Nazi NASA know's it's fact!
Stupid fucking bush, why would we go back to the moon, lets be progressive and go to mars. Its not a giant leap its not even a baby step, its a step back
Bush did say we'll go to Mars. The moon is just the first step. We set up a base on the moon so we can launch in low gravity using locally mined hydrogen and oxygen (which will come from water).
Currenlty NASA are looking for water on the moon for that reason.
This isn't a flame or anything. Do research before saying things. They are going to the moon to set up resources and use the moon as a staging area to go to Mars. Research has shown that a mission to Mars is much easier if everything is launched from the Moon.
Hear hear. I'm with Aldrin on this one. Going *back* to the moon is a silly misuse of resources we could be putting towards making a successful manned mission to Mars. Let's grow a pair.
The Moon is "been there, done that". It would be different if there were lots more to learn and do there, but there isn't. Mars holds a lot more promise -- for one thing, it has an atmosphere, even if it's thin.
you know what will be really cool? if we land close to one of the old LEM sites and get video of the equipment still sitting there so the dipshit hoaxers will finally shut up.
We need to go back before China and Russia gets there....
AccessDenied55 4 months ago
We WERE there. And we Will Return.....
Thunderhead472 5 months ago
"your retarded" strong words from you. Moon landing fake. haha yeah right.
TalaxY84 you dumass.
Apart from that i am looking forward to it, quefreak345, the saturn V was good i agree.
but i think the rocket their deisigning now is going to be safer and cheaper. by upgrading a soild rocket booster / THE BIG FIREWORK
MrJaggys 6 months ago
@TalaxY84 you're retarded... Get a life and stop spreading stupid lies
nlosborne 8 months ago
FIRST TIME USA WILL GO ON MOON! FIRS TIME... LAST TIME IT WAS FAKE.. WE ALL KNOW THAT!
TalaxY84 8 months ago
They proved the moon landing was not a hoax on myth buster.
thechamp858 9 months ago
@thechamp858 go not belive everything u hear on myth busters yeah right a feather drops the same speed as a hammer thats just bullshit
MyMrbang 9 months ago
Thanks W Bush, for tasking NASA without giving them the $ to do it.
FantasticBob7000 11 months ago
this is how they wil do it. BORROW even more money.
alfredo6243 11 months ago
This program is great just one thing. Why do we really need to have two spacecrafts go up? Why not go back to the saturn V and upgrade it? Just saying
gunfreak345 11 months ago
@gunfreak345 One with crago, the another with the crew.
H4cuda 7 months ago
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42 years ago the whole of humanity was united.And that was the moon landing on the 21st of July 1969.What is the most important thing to a nation,to all humanity? Is it not our dreams? What are our goals? what are we bleeding and sweating tears for? We have no dreams that we know we will reach in our generation.For Obama killed the moon programme,he murdered our dreams,and now our Dream has died.
I H8 U Obama H8 H8 H8 H8 H8
137153163192 11 months ago
We should be up there collecting that Helium 3!
TonyN737 11 months ago 3
@TonyN737 I only hope my property is legit and surveyed soon... I checked, and my plot should rich in H3.
I'm not looking forward to property taxes though... I bet I'll get robbed in the end, we'll see.
nazaxprime 7 months ago
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There's a mountain of evidence that they faked the moon landindings. Here's a link to some of it.
3W's (dot) spurstalk (dot) com/forums/showthread dot()php?t=144487
(check link for gaps)
Cosmored 1 year ago
i love how they shake up the camera to make it look more hardcore
SuperCrazyJunk 1 year ago
we were never been there
why19870809 1 year ago
We scrached the surface of the moon 40 years ago. I say its time we scratch the edge of the galaxy this time!
Doctor699 1 year ago
@Doctor699 A worthy dream, but without a RED COMMIE HORDE trying to do the same, I doubt it has any traction. :(
bobafetthotmail 1 year ago
@Doctor699
Just get to the moon once I double dare you.... anyone any country or entrepreneur? do it
EGMAG 1 year ago
The money is there, the technology is not. It is not a question of money as to going to the moon today: rather they can't do it. The amount of money brought in by a moonwalk today would be staggering. Residuals, advertising, toys, endorsements, sponsors, and much more, trillions of trillions of dollars would be made. Money is no excuse. Hoax is why.
EGMAG 1 year ago
@EGMAG Stop saying bullshit. Money needed to send humans anywhere over orbit is truly staggering, and it won't turn a profit. It was done in Cold War since it was a better way to say WE ARE BETTER THAN REDS than outright nuclear exchange, but there was no other scope.
We have bots all over the solar system. Moon (dead cold war relics), Mars (rovers), asteoids (that japanese craft that returned a sample lately), stuff that passed gas giants and is headed out (Voyager 1 and 2)
bobafetthotmail 1 year ago
@bobafetthotmail
Your disturbed ? Take some Lithium, see a psychoanylist and ask why you have these "we went to the moon" abberations. ?
EGMAG 1 year ago
@EGMAG Stop saying bullshit. You clearly don't know a damn about it and speak from ignorance. Educate yourself before talking.
bobafetthotmail 1 year ago
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@bobafetthotmail Stop saying bullshit. <<
BULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULLSHIT
EGMAG 1 year ago
Looks like a video game trailer.... Lol...
Zachmanz 1 year ago
Now americans do not even need secret military base to fake new trip to the moon. They can make it all on PC!
mrwhitemanvideo 1 year ago
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Neil Armstrong..."and parrots don't fly very well"
Ironoff 1 year ago
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Neil Armstrong..."and parrots don't fly very well"
Ironoff 1 year ago
At least NASA is keeping the Animation department.
dcb1138 1 year ago 33
@dcb1138 i wouldn't looks so low budget.
gtmilenko 1 year ago
Something wrong with the video: I saw the badge "NASA" and we all know America is switching over to privatization of space travel. So more than likely US astronauts will be wearing McDonalds badges or some shit.
IchiCrack 1 year ago
also, to all the naysayers. they put little reflector arrays on the moon for mesuring its distance which are still used. they had to be set up by people. if we didnt land, how did they get there?
Joesolo13 1 year ago
@Joesolo13 They set it up by robots. Whats the problem?
mrwhitemanvideo 1 year ago
While the people who think everything is a hoax are busy arguing about crap, the thinkers and doers are taking what has already been learned and building on it. The simple fact is Armstrong and Aldrins names go down in history for what they actually did do...which is land on our moon. The nay-sayers will be forgotten because well... they never do anything interesting or important because they can't even believe in themselves let alone the advancement of mankind.
Bigredgumball 1 year ago
If it has to do with the US achieving something there is always a conspiracy theory to shoot it down and every time there's a conspiracy theory there is 100+ theories about the same subject. Some people are so lame
DannyG1533 1 year ago
any way, most idea of moon colinazation seem silly to me. maybe a base like the iss but colinization is ridiculous. its an inhospitable place. maybe machins to mine stuff but not much else. a base there for missons to mars and other places could work becasue theres alot oess gravity to break free from
Joesolo13 1 year ago
@Joesolo13 Your an idiot
Blastbox4 1 year ago
ok mr conpiracy theorist. if we faked it then explain
the moon rocks
the flags on the moon
the rover up there
the plaqe
the legs of the landers
the foot prints(weve got the tech to see them)
and not one person in the organization claimsing it was faked, excluding one addict who killed himself in a car crash.
well?
Joesolo13 1 year ago
@Joesolo13 Sorry believer, but where can I see (and when have you ever seen..):
- pictures taken from earth (or Hubble satellite) of the flags and stuff left on the moon? Oh may be NASA like to keep them secret, and prefer to pay bunch of retard to do expensive documentary showing that flags can flap on the moon, that foot prints are possible, that roket enginees make no noise in the LEM...I am sorry to say but the pictures you are refering to do not exist, unless somebody can prove I am wrong.
1965christian 1 year ago
@1965christian nasa's got alot better things to do then that. get your own good telescope and you can see landers though. there pretty big.
Joesolo13 1 year ago
@Joesolo13 Ok then, I am gonna buy an Hubble-similar telescope. Great idea. Bit expenses, sure, but I can convince myself. Perhaps, I can also sell these beautiful pictures to magazines, for huge amount of money obviously, to convince also other millions of people about moon landing, pictures never seen before (except by youreself). And eventually i will dissolve the Apollo consipiracy for ever. Jesolo13 your are Magic. Why Nasa do not do that, but I have to?
1965christian 1 year ago
@1965christian they have better things to do. im not gonn keep arguing. its a fact we landed on the moon, the russian moon rover even saw a landing site. if your going to ignore reality, thats your choice. i know they did, most people know they did. f you ignore this fine. it dosnt hurt me. though the last person to deny it to neil got punched in the face and the coruts said neil had every right too.
Joesolo13 1 year ago
@1965christian nasa's got better to do with the hubble. plus, a russian lunar rover saw a flag and lander, so there.
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1965christian 1 year ago
@Joesolo13 Well, you think that using Hubble few hours just to take few pictures of one moon landing area (just one) to clean all this moon conspiracy craps (which I am sure you can understand they have also huge political issues about USA government) is loss of time, while using Hubble days and days to take another boring picture of another farest galaxy in the univers of another gass clouds it is instead extremely more important.... oooooh yes sure!!!
1965christian 1 year ago
@1965christian Think the moon pics are documentary huh? Ok, your yearbook pictures were just computer created images. All those memories of your friends were just actors pretending to be your friends. You don't exist, you're just a brain in a lab who's constantly experimented on. Get it? Probably do, but still believe that the moon landing's a hoax. Then stay away from those of us who know what happened, its annoying. People like you don't believe in Niel just because you can, no other reason.
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Nasa is a sick nazi hoax
how can those lying monkey astronauts return to the moon
when they have never been there
fuck nazi nasa
moon hoax
nasafakedit 1 year ago
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Iceman5164 1 year ago
"Return to the Moon" - funny joke... No one has yet been on the moon.
mphet26 1 year ago
LOl how can Nasa return to the moon when they have never been there?
2010 Nasa has to hitch a space ride with the Soviets to get to the iSS
which is 220 miles from earth
Nasa is a Nazi Joke
nasafakedit 1 year ago
@nasafakedit
Says the Jealous Brit... Now if you actually lived here you would know that we've been spending money on other things like your fucking "British Petroleum (BP)" Oil Spill, although technically we have to fix it, and have been cutting funding to NASA... and funny because last I recall we were the ones who saved you from Nazis... and I'm pretty sure the Brits have to "hitch a ride with the Soviet's" because they haven't even been on the Moon... Let's see your Space Agency
Iceman5164 1 year ago
@Iceman5164 i couldnt give a fuck about Britain you fucking monkey
No man has ever been to the moon
Not in 1969 and not in 2010
Nasa is a Sick HOAX
nasafakedit 1 year ago
@nasafakedit
Damn, That diss put me down, I mean, There's nothing better than ignorantly calling someone a Monkey for believing something that's true... Have fun thinking everything in your life is a Hoax and that the U.S. "Can't achieve anything"... But I have a Question for you, How do you not believe we made it to the Moon? I Mean we have a fucking International Space Station in space... if we have that it wouldn't be too hard to get to the Moon especially in 1969...
Iceman5164 1 year ago
@Iceman5164 you are a brainwashed human monkey
TV is god
the fake moonlandings were real on TV
but filmed on earth
nasafakedit 1 year ago
@nasafakedit
Your one to talk... Brainwashed by the few people who actually believe that... And I didn't know the Earth had 0 G's... I'm actually floating out of my seat right now... Take a bit to think about what your saying because around 90% of the World I would say... would think your just crazy...
Iceman5164 1 year ago
@Iceman5164 lol retard
() % of the human monkey world believe in dead jesus and dead mohamed
50% of Americans now know that nasa is a hoax thans to the internet and youtube
nasafakedit 1 year ago
@nasafakedit
Well first off, () is not a Number... Second, What percent of those are actually smart and have a masters in aerospace engineering or aviation? 0% their all kids and/or I guess you could say people who have nothing to do in their life and don't believe the human race can do that, Think... You sound retarded when you speak...
Iceman5164 1 year ago
@Iceman5164 you post like a 6 year old, take your ritalin crackhead
nasafakedit 1 year ago
next time we'll land on moon we'll find some Chinese selling Adidas shoes there...
GRATZIANI2002 1 year ago
@GRATZIANI2002 actually, the usa wants the chinese to make adidas on the the moon. The Earth has no more room for its garbage.
nrobnas43 1 year ago
Dont worry China will go to the Moon and show the USA and Russia it can be done Hope they land where Apollo 11 landed and make history because USA and Russia are scared to go near the moon
mysay2u 1 year ago
@mysay2u And they are going to start mining Helium 3.
tommag82 1 year ago
@mysay2u russia is supposed to team up with china and maybe, maybe try and put a man on the moon in 2030. But since NASA was there 6x between 69-72 no one really needs to go. They found out the moon had no water and was dry. with all their tech today, you'd think a trip to the moon would be a piece of cake. yeah, the sad nasa shills deserve more thrashings.
nrobnas43 1 year ago
@mysay2u
There's an Australian Space Agency? Didn't think so... Russia and the US have been to space more than China... Ever heard of the "Space Race"... not much China in that...
Iceman5164 1 year ago
Obama doesn't give a fuck about space program
dunlrock 1 year ago
@dunlrock that sucks
Mountaind33w 1 year ago
I think it's just great that we went to the moon with the computing power of my cellphone. And we did it on the first try, really. Awesome! Go team. We showed the Russians, didn't we? I hope they can find a way to go back very soon, since it's been 40 years.
greenfruitface 1 year ago
@greenfruitface Well said, but sorry dude, i think your cellphone is actually much faster than the 2 MHz, 72kB, 16-bit Apollo guidance computer.
soberek 1 year ago
@greenfruitface It is actually the computing power of a calculator.
AmmoBravo 1 year ago
i gess this will happen in aroun 2060
never4getthis 1 year ago
@never4getthis Hopefully before 2060, because I turn 99 that year. I was almost 8 when they landed on the Moon for the first time. We were playing TV tag and a kid said, "Hey they're about to land on the Moon!" So we all ran indoors and watched it. Very exciting times! Go NASA!
SuperMagnetizer 1 year ago
@never4getthis Actually the program starts in 2011. Don't know if they will send anyone soon but the space shuttle program is already canceled effective May 2010. So any other mission will be through the Ares I or Ares V rockets which are the ones who are supposed to bring us back to the moon.
AmmoBravo 1 year ago
lol going to the moon was possible 40 years ago, we cant do it now however because we just dont have the brain power to do it. computers have basically "dumbed" us down ..... but shit happens ya never know
areeb10000 1 year ago
Obama is supporting NASA....just thought I'd let you know this.
zomgwtfbbqbagel 1 year ago
OBAMA sucks assss!!! He's taking everything that was good with this country and turning it to shit. Someone needs to take his butt out of office.
Localmode 1 year ago
well put goreslam.... I was born shortly after the Saturn V and Skylab's last launch and growing up never thought that NASA would go on a downward slope because of NASA lacking money.... its very sad, I thought I would be able to see men and women walk on the moon in HD.... just so sad
Galeati08 1 year ago
The Apollo moon missions were faked in a studio. To see a partial summary of the evidence of fakery, google "The Naked Scientists". In the "New Theories" section of the forum there's a thread entitled "Did We Land on the Moon?". The summary is on page 15. It's the 7th post from the top.
Also, do a YouTube search on "MarsFaker".
Cosmored 1 year ago
There are those who would rather see us fight than allow us to explore the Universe in peace.
SuperMagnetizer 1 year ago
God's willing you will return.
And allah's willing you will NOT return.
Who won that last week in the USA?
Clausewitzz 1 year ago
thank you my British friend, im Canadian and im sick of listening to Americans bull shiting about how grate they apparently are. America is full of ignorant racist who thought the terminator would make a good Governor
mrfun94 1 year ago
@mrfun94
Not all Americans are "ignorant" and "racist" SOME actually have a life, fight for their country, and oppose Racism and buddy... it's called Nationalism... everyone has it in their blood... and if you really wanna say that shit about the Terminator your the one who uses a leaf on their flag...
Iceman5164 1 year ago
I see the oportunity for a great Presidential speech here:
"We choose not to go to the moon"
"We choose not to go to the moon!!"
"We choose not to go to the moon in this decade nor to do the other things! Not because they are easy, but because they are too friggin' hard!!"
crocfme 2 years ago
I fucking love that! Brilliant!
wazzmastermax 2 years ago
cutting this wasteful project is the only thing Obama's done right
roscoe85cj 2 years ago
Spoken like a true Yank, lacking foresight and inspiration.
wazzmastermax 2 years ago
Glad you're here... you can cut a check tonight to cover the taxes they'll steal from me to fund the pipe dreams of those NASA geeks wearing the platinum pockeet protectors.
roscoe85cj 2 years ago
I'm sure you mean 'cheque', besides, you haven't been robbed through tax until you've lived in the UK, so thank yourself lucky!
wazzmastermax 2 years ago
Lucky ? haha And what's your individual share of the UK national debt ? You should consider yourself lucky because our new socialist leader Barack Hussein just doubled our (our children/grandchildren/great-grandchildren) obligation.
roscoe85cj 2 years ago
UK = 61 million people, USA = 300 million people. USA is supposedly the richest country in the world, you do the math. I'm sure we bear more of the brunt than you. Fill your car up with fuel down my street and you'd get a shock I can tell you. This is why we drive 1.6 litre Diesels and you all drive 4 litre petrols. Dry your eyes and get on with it.
wazzmastermax 2 years ago
LOL ... speaking of 'bearing the brunt' why not quit your appeasement of terror networks by whining about your pathetic contribution to fighting it and buck up and match our body count.
roscoe85cj 2 years ago
How pathetically predictable you Americans are, didn't take long to get on the subject eh? What's the matter did your neurons run out of original ideas!?
The reason your body count is so high?.....
It's because you rely on technology too much and can't handle asymmetric warfare! In short - YOUR MILITARY IS SHIT, THAT'S WHY THEY DIE! haha
wazzmastermax 2 years ago
lmao .. spoken like the pussy fuck euro trash that you are.
roscoe85cj 2 years ago
Finally we reach your level :D
wazzmastermax 2 years ago
LOL ... muslim trash over-running your country and you haven't the balls or means (you pussies gave up your right to own firearms) to deal with it... bwaa ha ahaa ha ha ha
you made your bed, now lay in it bloke
roscoe85cj 2 years ago
Oh are we talking about Muslims? And the inability to deal with it?... Why didn't you say??
WORLD TRADE CENTRE
Might want to have a little think before you speak next time, or just run your idea past a responsible adult first hahahahahaha... what an idiot haha
wazzmastermax 2 years ago
I see what you mean, on 9/11 it was just really lucky that you had your own firearms, if not it could have been REALLY bad haha.
The second amendment really paid off there! Phew!
(This is too easy!)
wazzmastermax 2 years ago
Nice dodge pussy
Guess you parents didn't tell ya, but you'd either be goose-stepping to your minimum wage factory job or drinking Vodka with your cereal if it wasn't for the USA ... The brits that helped out are heroes, and you're stuck in mom's basement bedroom watching reruns of Benny Hill,, pathetic
roscoe85cj 2 years ago
It took less than a day to regress to WWII? I'm impressed! That's a new record!
I'll take the 'Brits that helped out are heroes' as a compliment. As a RAF (Air Force) Officer I have served in Iraq and have a medal to show for my trouble. Play the 'I don't believe you card' I couldn't care less, it's a fact! So when were you last in Basrah or Kabul? I didn't think so.
You American's are really great at War... how did Vietnam go again? Oh yeah, you lost ... oops!
wazzmastermax 2 years ago
or your to much of a pussy to accept the shitty country you have whatever it is
HALOGOD22000 1 year ago
omg , when i look out of the window at night , and I see the moon bright in heaven , it makes me wanna go to moon NOW , and the apollo programm was real. aswell as the moonlanding,
predatortheme 1 year ago
Well that's the end of that! How to become a US President;
1. Say things that make the American people proud "We will return to the moon by 20XX! because we are a great nation" blah blah bah
2. Make a right mess of your inauguration declaration live in front of the world.
3. Once you've moved into the White House, retract all those things that sound too hard "Let's not go to the moon, too expensive"
I say "Go China/Russia/India!". Countries that aren't so short sighted and self obsessed.
wazzmastermax 2 years ago
@wazzmastermax When China gets there, it will claim soveriegnty of the moon and all its resources and there won't be a single thing anyone can do about it. They probably won't ever let us near it. China will become undisputed leader of the world. I can't believe America is allowing this!
What the hell hapenned!!
crocfme 2 years ago
Well that may be a little extreme, but I see where you're coming from. I believe America is of the opinion; "If we can't do it, nobody can", which is a big assumption to make.
Regardless of all the political factors, what about the loss to the expansion of human understanding? Money dictates the speed of human progress, but when it dictates the direction we have reached a sad state of affairs.
wazzmastermax 2 years ago
I don't recall the exact words, but the late great Carl Sagan said; "Exploration is the fire of the human spirit, when exploration stops, stagnation starts"....(or words to that effect.)
crocfme 2 years ago
How true that is!
wazzmastermax 2 years ago
a station on the sun side?
what is with sun flares and there deadly radiation?
Obama and the US Nation can't afford such a project alone.
andraxTube 2 years ago
Man will never return to the moon. It's not ours.
LastVeteran 2 years ago
@LastVeteran earth is not ours either
Mountaind33w 1 year ago
@Mountaind33w ...agreed
LastVeteran 1 year ago
Yes, let man RETURN to the moon! After the successful and historic Apollo moon missions - let's return to the moon. Read: "A Man on the Moon" by Andrew Chaikin, the most researched and documented book on the Apollo lunar missions - best-seller and made into the HBO mini-series "From Earth to the Moon". Check it out in YT. All factual, historical and TRUE!
marcbrillant 2 years ago
what!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the man never walk on the moon, you wanna say back to lie again
ayonkish 2 years ago
How nice! too bad it ain't gonna happen with Obama and his budget cuts-it is logical to give gazilions of dollars to bankrupt companies and banks, not to NASA, cause-hell, why we need to send stuff to Moon?
Zarrov 2 years ago 3
@Zarrov If to do so your economy crumbles to dust and even pathetic thirld world nations piss on you, then cutting space program has some sense.
Still, I keep arguing that cutting defence budget was a better idea.
Although there are stronger lobbies protecting it.
bobafetthotmail 1 year ago
@bobafetthotmail do you realize that you speak total nonsense? Recent FED purchase of treasurys costed 600 bilion $. NASA budget is around 18 bilion. Military budget is 700 billion. Health care bill was somethig around that too, and second baillout also. So tell me how everything is gonna collapse becuase you will give 25 billion to NASA instead of 18 and for baillout 693? it still went to hell, but at least you advance technology. And that IS usefull.
Zarrov 1 year ago 15
@Zarrov
The politicians would never accept to spend money (which is other people's condensed labour) in a useful way. That's why they spend trillions for losing wars of attrition or give trillions as gifts to their psychotic masters, the crazy casino-players known as banksters, while millions of people are starving. Space travel is a nice idea, but nice never played a role in the first place.
trakkaton 1 year ago
@trakkaton I would actually argue with basically everything you said, but since we both are on the side of space travel I'm not going to do so :)
Zarrov 1 year ago
rendezvous
bishop102 2 years ago
we should and extract that helium3 now and solve the fucking climate problem
northmetalguy 2 years ago
nasas fuck project
Nerolubo 2 years ago
Yes! its about time we went back to the moon! (and i said "back") all that hoax stuff is as much bs as when they said it couldnt be done. Small minds dwelling on what they cant do because theyre so small they cant even dream it.
God Speed!
Bigredgumball 2 years ago 12
@Bigredgumball
why couldn't we do it? piece of cake... we went 40 years ago over and over; why would it be hard to go back? shouldn't this have already happened five years ago? It only took two months to follow Apollo 10 with Apollo 11; so how long should it take to knock off another mission? ... 40 years further advanced with computers that are trillions of times more powerful?
TheRisenstar 1 year ago
@Bigredgumball OOh yes sure! It is all about dreaming!! The answer to your crapy message was hidden in your message... Ok then, let's dream ... May be this carpy and expenses stupid film might help us a little bit better than the old faked pictures. NASA think.
1965christian 1 year ago
dá um cú besta, não remova o comentário por favor
izaiazcozta 1 year ago
@Bigredgumball
It is not a question of money as to going to the moon today: rather they can't do it. The amount of money brought in by a moonwalk today would be staggering. Residuals, advertising, toys, endorsements, sponsors, and more, trillions of trillions of dollars would be made. Money is no excuse. Hoax is why.
EGMAG 1 year ago
What they need to do is send a bunch of astro nauts up in that ugly Ares rocket to the moon to make a runway for the shuttle to land on.
meyersd66 2 years ago
Name one piece of factual irrefutable evidence as to why the U.S. never went to the Moon.
Just one.
I'll give you as long as it takes.
Your just pissy because you live in another failed Welfare State.
Your country can even afford to try and go to the Moon, much less actually accomplish it.
Go wait for your fucking handouts.
While your waiting, we'll return, and you Socialist lazy fucks will get what you've always gotten. Nothing.
CapitalExchange 2 years ago
Its a sad day when people make sequels trailers and all sorts of trash based on something that was always A LIE in the first place. A HOAX!
VEGETADTX 2 years ago
All respected science thinks your little "moon landing conspiracy" is laughable.
I doubt you're aware of the brand new pictures of the moon landing sites that have completely debunked all claims made in the past few months. They are on the NASA website. Stop making yourself sound like an idiot.
pacificguitarist 2 years ago 2
"... brand new pictures of the moon landing sites ..." - PacG
True man, but you know these Hoaxer wackos, they'll just claim that those pics are fake too. Buzz Aldrin should crack 'em over the head with a Moon rock and they'd STILL think it was fake.
TonyN737 2 years ago
Anyone think that the new moonlandings are just something to draw attention away from the Wars
snedie69er 2 years ago
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The evidence of a hoax is crushing. I posted a partial summary of it on a science forum. To see it, google "The Naked Scientist". In the "New Theories" section there's a thread entitled "Did we land on the moon?". The post is on page 15. It's the 7th one from the top.
Cosmored3 2 years ago
Nah... dump all these programs and put the money behind something called the 'paper airplane device' - a gizmo that if you were to drop it at the same time you drop a feather, the feather would hit the ground first. and the paper airplane device would hit the ground slightly westward of the the spot directly beneath it's drop point. This gizmo will lead to the first C+transportation machine. 'Super luminal', you know.
korgri 2 years ago
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yeah, return to moon.. :)))) maybe `first land on the moon?`
amfikz 2 years ago
FUCK U!!! Go get a life prick. I'm so sick&tired of losers like you. Give a least a grain of respect to America's greatest accomplishment as you Yankees call it yourselves.
soberek 2 years ago
ahahah loll
aexfire 2 years ago
i devisd a plan that poculd send a hundred rockets to mars for half what they charge to go once but nobody there will listen amazing people dont know what goes on in there own country but people know what there movie stars are doing
tomanyasses 2 years ago
you got any links on your plan or something close to it?
GMBCATASTROPHE 2 years ago
tomanyasses couldn't said it better....as for that guy up there saying that unavoidable "FUCK U!!!" don't worry, that's all they ever known to say...that's all they ever really were about...and that's exactly how you went on the moon as well...
Not all of them of course, no disrespect...but big majority of today's world especially USA are sad corrupted materialistic and morally distorted people...
VEGETADTX 2 years ago
i agree
tomanyasses 2 years ago
Glad you agree! glad there are still people with healthy logic and not blindly believing to whatever American Government says.
VEGETADTX 2 years ago
NASA has had HORRIBLE, HORRIBLE funding cuts in the past decades. The main problem for its slow progress is extreme funding cuts. Shit, they throw 150 billion dollars into AIG, countless billions more into welfare and bails, these two stupid, pointless wars...and that costs trillions. And here, we have the all-important NASA...getting a MEASLY 14 billion a year. I hate our fucking government. Sheesh...
goreslam 2 years ago 19
that sucks 14 billion they should get one hundred billion
tomanyasses 2 years ago
Don't say they those are Obama's ideas, As much as we all hated bush he raised the bugdet and planned to go to the moon. Of course Obama said no once he got in, cause he knows what is a watse right? so WTF is that?
DrTranizRisingChaos 2 years ago
@goreslam I agree with you man. I don't now if they realize that space is a very powerful weapon against any enemy, and now is the opportunity for us to exploit space exploration. I say that they should give NASA the money amount of of one day of war (2 billion dollars).
AmmoBravo 1 year ago
@goreslam your excuses are meaningless
There wer NO funding cuts from 1973-1995
and no astronaut ever went further than 450 miles from earth
in the shuttles
Nasa Faked it 6 Times
6 False Flags
nasafakedit 1 year ago
"The ones that do don't need much fuel" i never said they didn't need any.
Chroncelot 2 years ago
i dont understand how the fuel in spacecrafts can last so long going to space?
skaterpanny 2 years ago
there is no force(air, gravity etc..) stopping the ships once it reaches space. Thus a little bit of thrust goes a long way.
Also most of the fuel used is to get into space but the rockets come off the spacecraft once they are used up and empty.
Chroncelot 2 years ago
oh yeah, so what happens when they come back down to earth if they have no fuel?
skaterpanny 2 years ago
Most space crafts don't return to earth. The ones that do don't need much fuel. they use earths gravity to get back to the planet. Like an asteroid that hits the earth doesn't need fuel to come down.
Chroncelot 2 years ago
thanks
skaterpanny 2 years ago
They add a gient fuel tank who fall off the rocket before entering space. And when they are in space they dont need that much fuel :)
Hatchatfatbat 2 years ago
sweet :):)
skaterpanny 2 years ago 2
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crzyaznemo 2 years ago
no i wont
fuadali16 2 years ago
the use the ares 1 right
babyjc02 2 years ago
yeah, fucking ticket to the moon
qwerty123246 2 years ago
So many arrogant US opinions!
1. Check the lists of contributing scientists. You will find many non-US scientists.
2. Now there is no urgent reason to go to the moon. I mean, to simply go there, like the other nations.
3 Still I find it weird, spite that technology has been developing very steadily since 1960, especially computing, the return comes only in 10 years (60 years). Could the political situation influence NASA's research projects so badly? :(
Wanna see klingons or wookies :))
NmGab 2 years ago
If they launched manned spacecraft from the Moon to mars it would use Esentially 1/6th of the weight.. You wouldnt need to carry as much fuel or use as much power to break the moons gravity as it would to break the earths gravity so you could carry a shit load more stuff to mars from the moon
GoodSmackUp 2 years ago
Plus the added advantage of no atmosphere friction.But as a enthusiast of all things space I would personally launch a Mars bound spacecraft from Earth orbit fully fueled.Saving the infastructure required to be a Moon based launch.
But I'd still like to see Moonbases and reqular flights to the Moon and Mars.
reticulan5 2 years ago 3
Go to the moon, mine helium 3, bring it back, make electricity. It's very economically doable.
Go to Mars, exploit whatever is there in the same way. People naturally pick up stuff and bring it home and assign value to it. It's an instinct. Mars will pay off someday, just like the moon is about to.
barkulator 2 years ago 2
Run Rabbit, run Rabbit, run run run,
We see a Pharma with a Ketamine injection gun!
KaOssis 2 years ago
Lool, can't wait to see all those half brain's taking trip's to the Moon, cuz as soon as they get passed the 5th outer atmosperic layer of Earth, they're all gona get a heart attack at 2 minute's 41 seconds; and Nazi NASA know's it's fact!
KaOssis 2 years ago
Just wait till voyager 1 gets to alpha centauri.
Germanboy567 2 years ago
fantastic video
startony998 2 years ago
One Small Lie From Government (relatively speaking), One Giant Tax Bill for Mankind
roscoe85cj 2 years ago
Stupid fucking bush, why would we go back to the moon, lets be progressive and go to mars. Its not a giant leap its not even a baby step, its a step back
kyletheghad 2 years ago
you guys cant do much else by giving NASA a 19 billion dollar budget!
just imagine if the money from the Iraq war had been used by NASA....
rogerpenna 2 years ago 3
I imagine that every day or if even a 1/3 of that went to nasa
s4m5on 2 years ago
Bush did say we'll go to Mars. The moon is just the first step. We set up a base on the moon so we can launch in low gravity using locally mined hydrogen and oxygen (which will come from water).
Currenlty NASA are looking for water on the moon for that reason.
BipedalHumanoid 2 years ago
This isn't a flame or anything. Do research before saying things. They are going to the moon to set up resources and use the moon as a staging area to go to Mars. Research has shown that a mission to Mars is much easier if everything is launched from the Moon.
strakallah 2 years ago
Hear hear. I'm with Aldrin on this one. Going *back* to the moon is a silly misuse of resources we could be putting towards making a successful manned mission to Mars. Let's grow a pair.
The Moon is "been there, done that". It would be different if there were lots more to learn and do there, but there isn't. Mars holds a lot more promise -- for one thing, it has an atmosphere, even if it's thin.
originalrhombus 2 years ago
So where is Nasa to fake the return. Have they already decided if Australia this time?
jmbbao 2 years ago
you know what will be really cool? if we land close to one of the old LEM sites and get video of the equipment still sitting there so the dipshit hoaxers will finally shut up.
kamspapa 2 years ago 3