I have a good friend that is a SDA (I am a Messianic). We study together often, we also study with JWS, and Mormans and other Christians. I tell my friend often to be careful from anyone who claims to have all the truth. I don't deny that some of this might be true but I disagree with SDA's say about the law of Moses, the church replaces Israel, and other misunderstandings of YHWH's commands (Torah - instructions in righteousness) not just the Ten Commandments.
recently I was watching a 3ABN broadcast from the conference in Australia. The speaker said This is really important gowith mr to Malachi 4:4-6 when hear started to talk again he realized he made a mistake. He started in verse 5 instead of verse 4 diligeratly skipping the "Remember the law of Moses" Why do SDA's teach against the law of Moses?
Yes, from vs. 1 it is obviously talking about "that day" and Mashiach will bring people back to obeying the law of Moses and he told us to look back in John 5:46-47.
Remember that although the sacrifices are supsended since 70 ad. they will continue for cleansing. please help me sort so things. I made three videos on Sacrifices and offerings. it is contriversial but I think we have been overloojing the key that points to Yahshua as the reconciliation. Peace Brother.
While the prophesy ultimately speaks of the end time, it sounds like Malachi is saying to Israel to "Remember the law of Moses", not to forsake His sacrificial law with His statutes & judgments, which pictures the coming Savior. Malachi lived around 400 BC., 400-odd years still of being tutored by the Mosaic law (Gal 3:24-25), which was necessary until Christ.
Consider this the fall Feast of YHWH our upon us. Three times in Leviticus 23 He said the these Feast are forever but the SDA church refuses to clebrate them and teaches against it. Consider this Yahshua taught to follow what Moses taught John 5:46-47. Consider this while Yahshua was here he never taught against the Sacrificial system but taught a principle of making up with man then offer your offering. Matt 5:23-26. The SDA's are close but they lack understanding of the Messiah.
The annual feast are called "shadows" and pointed to Christ. The whole purpose of the sacrificial system was to point to future deliverance from sin! Col 2:14-17 shows the sacrificial system including it's 7 annual feasts were nailed to His cross, because we now have the real Substance!
Yeshua (Jesus) fulfilled the Spring Feasts in His 1st coming - (Passover, Unleavened Bread, First Fruits and Pentecost) and He will fulfill the FALL Feasts to the exact days also. The Grape Harvest is throughout the book of Revelation. He will fulfill Yom Teruah (blowing of the Trumpets), Yom Kippur (Day of Atonement) and Feast of Tabernacles (live with HIm for 1000 years). Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Yeshua (Jesus) fulfilled the Spring Feasts in His 1st coming - (Passover, Unleavened Bread, First Fruits and Pentecost) and He will fulfill the FALL Feasts to the exact days also. The Grape Harvest is throughout the book of Revelation. He will fulfill Yom Teruah (blowing of the Trumpets), Yom Kippur (Day of Atonement) and Feast of Tabernacles (live with HIm for 1000 years). Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Col 2:14, 16-17: "Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ."
The sacrificial law, the book of the law, was against us (Deut 31:26, Eph 2:15). The blood of bulls and goats could never take away our sin, until Christ we were still in our sins. The sacrificial law was a shadow of things to come (Heb 10:1), but the body, the real substance, is Christ.
Now that we have the real substance, Christ, let no one judge you in meat or drink or holy days or new moons or feast days, which are shadows, but the real substance is Christ.
I understand that some today feel we should still be observing these shadow days.
It is clear to me when Paul says let no one judge you, it is because we know the real substance is Christ, which we now have, the use for those shadows is past.
To those who insist that we observe shadows, I would ask what do those shadow days add to us, now that we have Jesus and His perfect sacrifice for our sins, His Holy Spirit to guide us in His will, and Revelation about the end of this age?
Simply put, Jesus will fulfill the Fall Feasts in His 2nd coming. If we do not know what these Feasts are, how can we WATCH as instructed? We have throw away ALL the teachings of the Feasts and now are left ignorant of how to interpret much of His Word. Please watch the video Easter vs First Fruits to see how Jesus FULFILLS the Spring Feasts in His 1st coming. He will fulfill the Fall Feasts in His 2nd coming, but we remain ignorant of how to understand them because we ignore the old testament
Could God's people make to the end times if they did not first remember the law of Moses, which was their schoolmaster for approx 400 more years from Malachi's time until Christ?
I dont know the circumstances or contextually why he would have skipped it. The law of Moses, or the laws that Moses wrote in "the book of the law," were the laws that foreshadowed the death of Christ, such as the feast days like passover, unleavened bread and firstfruits, meats and drink offerings and animal sacrifices. But these were done away with when Christ (whom they foreshadowed) came in person. See Heb 10:1 and Col 2:14-16.
Have you ever thought of looking at this from outside of the SDA doctrine. Many believe that Islam is the one to look at rather than Rome. I know what the SDA teach but we must seek to learn from other sensable observations.
2Jn 1:9 Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son.
Indeed mleonyt. However, the doctrine of Christ is not the doctrine of man, or religions. The doctrine of Christ is simple, straight forward and true, free of the trappings of human ego. The doctrine of man and religion are full of ego, self, arrogance and greed.
All troughout the Bible the Sabbath have been a main issue. It was a death penalty not to keep the Sabbath of the Lord. It is part of His Divine Law, Israel was led into captivity of Babylon when they did not keep the Sabbath aswell. The issue is do we keep the commandments of God or do we follow the traditions of men? It is an easy question but the implications may be difficult for many. What does history show of the first christians, have there been sabbathkeepers in the church history?
It makes no sense to me that the mark would be a spiritual one. It has to be physical to be used in buying and selling. While I do agree the Roman Church has strayed far from the teachings of the Lord and the Bible, the Beast is the leader of Nations, the False Prophet is the leader of the Religions. And as far as keeping the Sabbath, yes we should, but Christ made plain that He was more concerned with intent than the letter of the Law. God should be worshiped daily, not on one special day.
" Christ made plain that He was more concerned with intent than the letter of the Law" Yes, he said we should go BEYOND the letter of the law, not fall short of it! Not only shouldn't we commit adultery, but its a sin to "imagine" yourself committing adultery. So it is a sin to not keep the Sabbath holy, and we are called to keep it even MORE so since his death.
Keep the Sabbath Holy, by all means. Under no circumstances though should it be perceived that worship on a certain day leads to damnation. Every day should be full of worship.
OH YES!!! I totally agree with you brother! In Christ there is no condemnation! PRAISE THE LORD for that! We are saved because of his death on the cross. But as well, he came not to obliterate the law but to fulfill it.. meaning, he, through faith in his father, kept it fully (the law is just a mirror to show us our sins that need confessing!) Just as an adulterer or a thief can be saved, so can a sabbath breaker.... unfortunately there are too many 7th Day sabbathkeepers who don't get this.
Sage: To refuse the mark of the beast is the reason why you are not able to buy or sell. To accept the mark means you can buy and sell. Why is there a problem in the mark being spiritual but with physical real implications? If you accept sunday as your holy day, you will be able to buy and sell, if you do not then you will not be able.
What I do see a problem with is your statement that we should keep the Sabbath, but then you say its not important?
I disagree entirely. Because it is entiirely unbiblical. Paul said, "One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord" Romans 14:5-6 I believe him. It is not the day but the intention that matters. Christ was not interested in the letter of the Law, which is what the Pharisees followed. Christ was interested in the true intent of the heart.
Sage: Paul was not talking about the 7th day Sabbath in that passage, but rather how to live your life, what to eat and what day to respect. Note what is being said in verse 7 " For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself." So according to Paul, you should do whatever you can not to offend your brothers, for we are all on different stages in our Christian walk. In this, Paul did not eat meat as he did not want to offend those that didnt.
Sage: Now you say that you believe the words of Paul, but do you believe the words of Jesus? In Mt 5:17-19 Jesus states that He did not come down to destroy the law but to fullfill the law. Paul likewise states that the Law is Good and that we because we are under grace we Establish the law, meaning we make it firm ground to stand on. Both Jesus and Paul led a life that were honoring God by keeping His commandments. Do you disagree with us trying to be like Jesus and Paul ?
I do believe the words of Jesus. Jesus did come to fulfill the Law, He fulfilled it on our behalf, because none of us could, because none of us have. I believe Paul as well when he tells us we are not under the Law but Grace. I also believe James: "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all." 2:10 So have you offended in one point? I have. I offend daily. I've never met a person who doesn't. So you keep one point of it and feel holier based on that?
Sage: It has nothing to do with feeling holier based on any works that I do, its not even relevant to the discussion. I do not judge you or condem you, I simply try to stress the fact that you break the commandment even though you should do all that is in your power to keep His word, not to look for any excuse not to. I do not preach perfection but to get victory over sin trough the power of Christ. But to openly defy His word, is that wise? Is it wrong of me to keep the 7th day Holy?
Not at all. Keep your holy day, but make no other stumble becuase you revere this day over the day they revere. Because in the words of Paul, who met Jesus, it's all the same. We all openly defy the Law every day. Do not be like the Jews who told Christians they must follow the Law of circumcision to be saved, or that food was unclean though Christ has made it clean. The mark of the beast has nothing to do with Sunday worship, we should worship with all our hearts every day.
As I posted below. "One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord" Romans 14:5-6
"For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all." James 2:10 The point being here, that we all break the Law daily. You may also look at Mathew 12:1-, Mark 2:23- and Luke 6:1- for more proof.
All valid scriptures Mle. Take them all as a whole. Not in part. "There is no condemnation in Christ", "we are not under the Law, but grace." "It seemed good to us and the Holy Spirit to burden you with anything but this You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things." Taken as a whole we have our answer. This is just like the Jews who wished to force circumcision on Christians.
Paul also said "Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law." Rom 3:31 The day absolutely matters. "For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise and God did rest the seventh day from all his works. And in this place again If they shall enter into my rest" Heb 4:4-5 KJV The spirit of the law is a higher calling than the letter, otherwise u infer we can kill if we don't hate or commit adultery if we dont lust. Brking the law is sin 1jn 3:4
I never said the Law was void. The Law given to Gentile Christians was "You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality." There would be absolutely no need to mention this if they were following the entire Law, none. We establish the Law, not follow. We are clearly commanded to abstain from blood and sexual immorality, so your comments on murder and adultery make no sense. I cannot believe you follow the entire law.
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perfect examble of justifying allready existing believes with the bible.this is what happens when you take ideas to the bible more than from the bible.
Consider that until recently RFID chips weren't even dreamed of, and that Revelation is almost 2000 years old. In that light would it make more sense that the absolute meaning of Rev 14:9 when it says "receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand" to mean our thoughts from our forehead, or our actions from our hand?
If it meant RFID chips then God was confusing to everyone born before the digital age.
"For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, will remain before Me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain.
And it will come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before Me, saith the Lord."
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Where does it say in the Bible that friday through to Saturday is the specific Sabbath? have you read Romans 14:5-8?
5 One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. 6He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord. He who eats meat, eats to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains, does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God.
Being Christian should removes the doubt in the Bibal & therefore the possibility of it contradicting itself, Right?
Now Exodus 20:8 Tells us (Remember the Sabbath and keep it Holy)"which we can still find the Jews keeping" & Jesus says in Mathew 5:17 (Think not that I'm come to destroy the Law, or the Prophets...)
Could the Bible contradict itself then?
Not if, what Paul means with the special days is the special sabbathes such as these on the Passover (such had special meaning to the Jews!)
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I question everything brother- especially here on YT! It was an honest question! I still don't have an answer. Where does it say that Saturday is the Sabbath so that I may look it up?
Let me try it this way (Not Completely Bible based though)
The Sabbath day is the Seventh-Day of the week according to (Genesis 2.2)
Unfortionatly the original names for the days have changed along with the calenders, However this is not the case in Arabian countries (I lived 20 years in Egypt) where days' names is a simple count (one, two, three, etc)
So sunday is called (Ahhad) which means 1
Saturday is (Sabbt) which originated from (Sabaa) or 7 in Arabic
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I still say Romans 14:5-8. Why would the Bible say this if it were not so. I have to work on saturday and Sunday. I go to Church on a Thursday from 8:30 till 12;30-1:00, and spend the rest of the day praying, and reading the bible, helping others with the word. Would you suggest that I am doing the wrong thing?
I can't suggest anything, I'm SDA Christian as is my older brother (Ex-Muslim & converted upon a 9 year Religion study, both of us had to leave everything behind & more or less escape for our decisions)
I was lucky to find a Job that respected my belief & gave me Sabbath Free upon my request my brother however wasn't so lucky!
There are certain things we might not be able to change, but we need to try it, yet it's not just work, it's keeping ourselves busy with our daily life on such a day...
i hate to tell you but YES, you are doing the wrong thing because you are working on the sabbath of GOD, read the 4th commandemtn in the bible and see what it says about working on the sabbath.
I also had to work on saturday until i realized that obeying God and striving to get to heaven was far more better than blending in with the worldly traditions of man and working & partying on saturdays, when you are face to face with Jesus Christ your JOB won't mean anything, its the choice u made!!
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But I prayed for this job and got it strait away. I was destitute. I am hardly trying to -as you say- blend in. That's how I eat! Who are we to judge? Have you read Romans 14;5-8? Heck all of Romans 14!?
i understand what you are saying, I had the same problem as far as working on saturday is concerned it is really hard to find a job that will let you off on saturdays, i'm not judging you.
But at the same times i really do believe that it is the enemy of souls who has made it so HARD to honor the tru sabbath, he has influenced man to make saturday actually one of the bussiest days as far as retail goes, and even influenced men to change the sabbath which i believe to be the seal of God.
Yesterday I was reading through The book of Mark and I noticed three times within the first six chapters (1:21; 3:1-2; 6:2)it mentioned that Jesus went into the synagogue on the Sabbath.
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I will have to agree to disagree on this one with you. And not simple because it is my truth. I truly belive that the particular day is not important. As long as you have a day. Would it be better for me not to have a day at all!? We in the west follow the Julio-Claudian Calander implemented by Augustus who was a polytheist! I say this with love brothers. I am truly curious and searching here. In my heart, I belive that I am doing the right thing for God.
Chris I don't understand what you mean when you said that the original names for the days changed along with the calenders. Please explain what you mean, thank you in advance.
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I question everything brother- especially here on YT! It was an honest question! I still don't have an answer. Where does it say that Saturday is the Sabbath so that I may look it up?
I pray that you are searching honestly for God's truth because you will find it today if you are. :-) As someone above mentioned the word Saturday is not mentioned in the Bible. Neither are any other days of the week. The days are numbered except for the Seventh day Sabbath which is named. Base on the order/sequence of the days of the week which has remained constant from a couple hunderd yrs before Jesus till now we know 7th day is Saturday.
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Always brother, Always am I ever-a-searching! Again, I say to you Romans 14;5-8How can we discount this!? Why would the Bible say this if it were not so. I have to work on saturday and Sunday. I go to Church on a Thursday from 8:30 till 12;30-1:00, and spend the rest of the day praying, and reading the bible, helping others with the word. Would you suggest that I am doing the wrong thing?
Have you considered that Romans 14:5-8 means something else when taken in light of verse 1?
Or if you want to concentrate on verses 5-8, then might the end of verse 5 where it is written that we should let "every man/woman be convinced in there own mind" mean that we shouldn't judge anyone for working on the Sabbath if they're not convinced that it is the Sabbath? That's God's job of course.
Does that make sense to you that the end of verse 5 shows a continuation of verse 1's thoughts?
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"every man/woman be convinced in there own mind" mean that we shouldn't judge anyone for working on the Sabbath if they're not convinced that it is the Sabbath? That's God's job of course."
That is exactly what I am saying. Where does it say in the Bible what day is the-as you say- true Sabbath. If I couldn't go to church on thursday, I couldn't attend at all! Does that make me a sinner? Love in Christ, kate xoxo
What I think I hear you asking specifically is that how can anybody know that the 7th day is Saturday based on a specific verse in the Bible. There isn't one.
Do you know that Jesus was a jew?
Do you know that Jews worship on Saturday?
Do you know that while the calendar system has changed, that the day of the week didn't change in order to implement that change?
Do you think that if the day changed that God would've let Jesus know?
If Jesus knew, then wouldnt he have told the disciples?
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Well how can you say it is then!!! All truth is from God and shared with us in he bible. All else is from Satan. Disputation among men on days, months and times are futile. All days are to the Lord, all Months are to the Lord and all times are of the Lord.
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Absolutely, that's what i am talking about! What about Galatians 4?
"For now, after we have known God, or rather are known of him, why should we turn again unto the Weak and Beggarly Elements, or desire again to be in Bondage to observe Dayes, and Months, and Times, and Years, lest Labour have been bestowed on us in vain" [Gal. 4:9-11]
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Absolutely not, I am simply saying that we should care not which day or days we worship, As long as we do worship and have a sabbath!! How can we judge others because of the day they go to Church? Who are we to do so!? The bible says not to worry about such things ands I have provided passages tht say so. Thanks for your time guys.
YOUR QUESTION How can we judge others because of the day they go to Church? Who are we to do so!? END OF QUESTION
ANSWER Let me start by saying that nobody can judge your motivations for your belief. Next is that it isn't wrong for me or anyone else to judge your actions wrong concerning the Sabbath in this particular forum. I praise you for following what you believe, because anything else would be sin.
Now as for Galatians 4:9-11, why would Paul talk about Months, times, and years?
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Becasue Paul is saying they mean nothing in the context of Romans 4 and Gal 4:19 What I am saying is -As long as you are fully convinced in your heart as Romans says, that you are honouring God, it doesn't matter the day.. Heck we should all be doing it all day every day!!! LOL
Mathew..peace be upon your heart..my bro..
You really bring us an awesome message, may the flame of the Holy Spirit always shine upon your heart,home and ministry !!
YHWH always bless you..
heltonlms 2 years ago 3
what a blessing. Thank you! The Lord has been helping me much much much.
mleonyt 2 years ago
Great anointed message! Thanks for sharing it on You Tube!
Here2AwakenU 2 years ago 4
it will be when it becomes state-enforced, a.k.a. Sunday law
mleonyt 2 years ago
I have a good friend that is a SDA (I am a Messianic). We study together often, we also study with JWS, and Mormans and other Christians. I tell my friend often to be careful from anyone who claims to have all the truth. I don't deny that some of this might be true but I disagree with SDA's say about the law of Moses, the church replaces Israel, and other misunderstandings of YHWH's commands (Torah - instructions in righteousness) not just the Ten Commandments.
paulgem123 2 years ago
hi!
God says come out.
mleonyt 2 years ago
recently I was watching a 3ABN broadcast from the conference in Australia. The speaker said This is really important gowith mr to Malachi 4:4-6 when hear started to talk again he realized he made a mistake. He started in verse 5 instead of verse 4 diligeratly skipping the "Remember the law of Moses" Why do SDA's teach against the law of Moses?
paulgem123 2 years ago
that is a very good question. Looking at that verse, I've wondered the same thing.
mleonyt 2 years ago
Yes, from vs. 1 it is obviously talking about "that day" and Mashiach will bring people back to obeying the law of Moses and he told us to look back in John 5:46-47.
paulgem123 2 years ago
right now I think you're right about this. I am praying on this and seeing if it can be straightened out in my head. thank you for your insights
mleonyt 2 years ago
Remember that although the sacrifices are supsended since 70 ad. they will continue for cleansing. please help me sort so things. I made three videos on Sacrifices and offerings. it is contriversial but I think we have been overloojing the key that points to Yahshua as the reconciliation. Peace Brother.
paulgem123 2 years ago
While the prophesy ultimately speaks of the end time, it sounds like Malachi is saying to Israel to "Remember the law of Moses", not to forsake His sacrificial law with His statutes & judgments, which pictures the coming Savior. Malachi lived around 400 BC., 400-odd years still of being tutored by the Mosaic law (Gal 3:24-25), which was necessary until Christ.
Nirky 2 years ago 8
Consider this the fall Feast of YHWH our upon us. Three times in Leviticus 23 He said the these Feast are forever but the SDA church refuses to clebrate them and teaches against it. Consider this Yahshua taught to follow what Moses taught John 5:46-47. Consider this while Yahshua was here he never taught against the Sacrificial system but taught a principle of making up with man then offer your offering. Matt 5:23-26. The SDA's are close but they lack understanding of the Messiah.
paulgem123 2 years ago
The annual feast are called "shadows" and pointed to Christ. The whole purpose of the sacrificial system was to point to future deliverance from sin! Col 2:14-17 shows the sacrificial system including it's 7 annual feasts were nailed to His cross, because we now have the real Substance!
Nirky 2 years ago 6
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Yeshua (Jesus) fulfilled the Spring Feasts in His 1st coming - (Passover, Unleavened Bread, First Fruits and Pentecost) and He will fulfill the FALL Feasts to the exact days also. The Grape Harvest is throughout the book of Revelation. He will fulfill Yom Teruah (blowing of the Trumpets), Yom Kippur (Day of Atonement) and Feast of Tabernacles (live with HIm for 1000 years). Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
TreyDubzz 2 years ago
Yeshua (Jesus) fulfilled the Spring Feasts in His 1st coming - (Passover, Unleavened Bread, First Fruits and Pentecost) and He will fulfill the FALL Feasts to the exact days also. The Grape Harvest is throughout the book of Revelation. He will fulfill Yom Teruah (blowing of the Trumpets), Yom Kippur (Day of Atonement) and Feast of Tabernacles (live with HIm for 1000 years). Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
TreyDubzz 2 years ago
Col 2:14, 16-17: "Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ."
Nirky 2 years ago 4
The sacrificial law, the book of the law, was against us (Deut 31:26, Eph 2:15). The blood of bulls and goats could never take away our sin, until Christ we were still in our sins. The sacrificial law was a shadow of things to come (Heb 10:1), but the body, the real substance, is Christ.
Now that we have the real substance, Christ, let no one judge you in meat or drink or holy days or new moons or feast days, which are shadows, but the real substance is Christ.
Nirky 2 years ago 4
I understand that some today feel we should still be observing these shadow days.
It is clear to me when Paul says let no one judge you, it is because we know the real substance is Christ, which we now have, the use for those shadows is past.
To those who insist that we observe shadows, I would ask what do those shadow days add to us, now that we have Jesus and His perfect sacrifice for our sins, His Holy Spirit to guide us in His will, and Revelation about the end of this age?
Nirky 2 years ago 4
Simply put, Jesus will fulfill the Fall Feasts in His 2nd coming. If we do not know what these Feasts are, how can we WATCH as instructed? We have throw away ALL the teachings of the Feasts and now are left ignorant of how to interpret much of His Word. Please watch the video Easter vs First Fruits to see how Jesus FULFILLS the Spring Feasts in His 1st coming. He will fulfill the Fall Feasts in His 2nd coming, but we remain ignorant of how to understand them because we ignore the old testament
TreyDubzz 2 years ago
But what exactly is the unique information those shadow feasts give us that you believe He does not give us anywhere else?
Nirky 2 years ago 4
Well if you read from Malachai 4:1-5 you will see that what you said does not line up because it is clearly speaking of end times.
paulgem123 2 years ago
Could God's people make to the end times if they did not first remember the law of Moses, which was their schoolmaster for approx 400 more years from Malachi's time until Christ?
Nirky 2 years ago 5
I dont know the circumstances or contextually why he would have skipped it. The law of Moses, or the laws that Moses wrote in "the book of the law," were the laws that foreshadowed the death of Christ, such as the feast days like passover, unleavened bread and firstfruits, meats and drink offerings and animal sacrifices. But these were done away with when Christ (whom they foreshadowed) came in person. See Heb 10:1 and Col 2:14-16.
RepaireroftheBreach 2 years ago 6
Yep, Come out of traditions of men.
paulgem123 2 years ago
@paulgem123 I am Christian, I study a lot of Prophecy from SDA, It is increase my faith.
I can not find from Christian people who teach prophecy very well.
I do not know why most of Christian celebrate Chrismas ?
I do not know why most of Christian worship on sunday instead saturday?
Wenn about prophecy, I get the Prophecy r from SDA not from christian Pastors.
Tell me what is wrong with SDA ?
MrPjet77 2 months ago
Have you ever thought of looking at this from outside of the SDA doctrine. Many believe that Islam is the one to look at rather than Rome. I know what the SDA teach but we must seek to learn from other sensable observations.
paulgem123 2 years ago
You've made this hard to understand topic very clear! God bless you! I now understand it better. You teach the Lord's truths. AMEN!
Lulu4Him 2 years ago 2
God bless you. The Lord did it.
mleonyt 2 years ago
Over doing tradition can be wrong. Doing away with all tradition I also believe is wrong.
cschurawel7 3 years ago
But these are doctrinal issues, worthy of discussion, not worthy of causing division. God bless you brother.
thehistorysage 3 years ago
2Jn 1:9 Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son.
mleonyt 2 years ago
Indeed mleonyt. However, the doctrine of Christ is not the doctrine of man, or religions. The doctrine of Christ is simple, straight forward and true, free of the trappings of human ego. The doctrine of man and religion are full of ego, self, arrogance and greed.
thehistorysage 2 years ago
All troughout the Bible the Sabbath have been a main issue. It was a death penalty not to keep the Sabbath of the Lord. It is part of His Divine Law, Israel was led into captivity of Babylon when they did not keep the Sabbath aswell. The issue is do we keep the commandments of God or do we follow the traditions of men? It is an easy question but the implications may be difficult for many. What does history show of the first christians, have there been sabbathkeepers in the church history?
Mekelsior 2 years ago 3
It makes no sense to me that the mark would be a spiritual one. It has to be physical to be used in buying and selling. While I do agree the Roman Church has strayed far from the teachings of the Lord and the Bible, the Beast is the leader of Nations, the False Prophet is the leader of the Religions. And as far as keeping the Sabbath, yes we should, but Christ made plain that He was more concerned with intent than the letter of the Law. God should be worshiped daily, not on one special day.
thehistorysage 3 years ago
" Christ made plain that He was more concerned with intent than the letter of the Law" Yes, he said we should go BEYOND the letter of the law, not fall short of it! Not only shouldn't we commit adultery, but its a sin to "imagine" yourself committing adultery. So it is a sin to not keep the Sabbath holy, and we are called to keep it even MORE so since his death.
Sabbath7Tube 3 years ago 3
Keep the Sabbath Holy, by all means. Under no circumstances though should it be perceived that worship on a certain day leads to damnation. Every day should be full of worship.
thehistorysage 3 years ago
OH YES!!! I totally agree with you brother! In Christ there is no condemnation! PRAISE THE LORD for that! We are saved because of his death on the cross. But as well, he came not to obliterate the law but to fulfill it.. meaning, he, through faith in his father, kept it fully (the law is just a mirror to show us our sins that need confessing!) Just as an adulterer or a thief can be saved, so can a sabbath breaker.... unfortunately there are too many 7th Day sabbathkeepers who don't get this.
Sabbath7Tube 3 years ago 4
Sage: To refuse the mark of the beast is the reason why you are not able to buy or sell. To accept the mark means you can buy and sell. Why is there a problem in the mark being spiritual but with physical real implications? If you accept sunday as your holy day, you will be able to buy and sell, if you do not then you will not be able.
What I do see a problem with is your statement that we should keep the Sabbath, but then you say its not important?
Mekelsior 2 years ago 4
I disagree entirely. Because it is entiirely unbiblical. Paul said, "One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord" Romans 14:5-6 I believe him. It is not the day but the intention that matters. Christ was not interested in the letter of the Law, which is what the Pharisees followed. Christ was interested in the true intent of the heart.
thehistorysage 2 years ago
Sage: Paul was not talking about the 7th day Sabbath in that passage, but rather how to live your life, what to eat and what day to respect. Note what is being said in verse 7 " For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself." So according to Paul, you should do whatever you can not to offend your brothers, for we are all on different stages in our Christian walk. In this, Paul did not eat meat as he did not want to offend those that didnt.
Mekelsior 2 years ago 3
Sage: Now you say that you believe the words of Paul, but do you believe the words of Jesus? In Mt 5:17-19 Jesus states that He did not come down to destroy the law but to fullfill the law. Paul likewise states that the Law is Good and that we because we are under grace we Establish the law, meaning we make it firm ground to stand on. Both Jesus and Paul led a life that were honoring God by keeping His commandments. Do you disagree with us trying to be like Jesus and Paul ?
Mekelsior 2 years ago 3
I do believe the words of Jesus. Jesus did come to fulfill the Law, He fulfilled it on our behalf, because none of us could, because none of us have. I believe Paul as well when he tells us we are not under the Law but Grace. I also believe James: "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all." 2:10 So have you offended in one point? I have. I offend daily. I've never met a person who doesn't. So you keep one point of it and feel holier based on that?
thehistorysage 2 years ago
Sage: It has nothing to do with feeling holier based on any works that I do, its not even relevant to the discussion. I do not judge you or condem you, I simply try to stress the fact that you break the commandment even though you should do all that is in your power to keep His word, not to look for any excuse not to. I do not preach perfection but to get victory over sin trough the power of Christ. But to openly defy His word, is that wise? Is it wrong of me to keep the 7th day Holy?
Mekelsior 2 years ago 3
Not at all. Keep your holy day, but make no other stumble becuase you revere this day over the day they revere. Because in the words of Paul, who met Jesus, it's all the same. We all openly defy the Law every day. Do not be like the Jews who told Christians they must follow the Law of circumcision to be saved, or that food was unclean though Christ has made it clean. The mark of the beast has nothing to do with Sunday worship, we should worship with all our hearts every day.
thehistorysage 2 years ago
hi!
what scriptures do you use to support any of these claims?
mleonyt 2 years ago
As I posted below. "One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord" Romans 14:5-6
"For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all." James 2:10 The point being here, that we all break the Law daily. You may also look at Mathew 12:1-, Mark 2:23- and Luke 6:1- for more proof.
thehistorysage 2 years ago
Rom. 14 refers to ceremonial laws (Jewish holy days) not a break in the Ten Commandments.
Jam 2:10 he goes on starting to quote the 10 Commandments (v11) and says we will be judged by this! (v.12)
Paul says: Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.
mleonyt 2 years ago
All valid scriptures Mle. Take them all as a whole. Not in part. "There is no condemnation in Christ", "we are not under the Law, but grace." "It seemed good to us and the Holy Spirit to burden you with anything but this You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things." Taken as a whole we have our answer. This is just like the Jews who wished to force circumcision on Christians.
thehistorysage 2 years ago
Paul also said "Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law." Rom 3:31 The day absolutely matters. "For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise and God did rest the seventh day from all his works. And in this place again If they shall enter into my rest" Heb 4:4-5 KJV The spirit of the law is a higher calling than the letter, otherwise u infer we can kill if we don't hate or commit adultery if we dont lust. Brking the law is sin 1jn 3:4
RepaireroftheBreach 2 years ago 4
I never said the Law was void. The Law given to Gentile Christians was "You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality." There would be absolutely no need to mention this if they were following the entire Law, none. We establish the Law, not follow. We are clearly commanded to abstain from blood and sexual immorality, so your comments on murder and adultery make no sense. I cannot believe you follow the entire law.
thehistorysage 2 years ago
So true my dear brother. May our Father God continue in blessing you with His Truth!
fallingup2U 3 years ago 5
Amen!!
Peace be upon you.
Look to the East, Jesus is coming!!
theonewillcome 3 years ago 5
Rev.22:7 Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the saying of the prophecy of this book.
PrayerisLoveinaction 3 years ago 5
God Bless You My Brother.
Amen
renegadodk 3 years ago 5
if you feel the lord in your heart leave him to speak!!!!!! love is the biggest magnetic power!!!!
legendaryRose 3 years ago 2
God bless you brother !!!!
nyawie 3 years ago 2
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perfect examble of justifying allready existing believes with the bible.this is what happens when you take ideas to the bible more than from the bible.
TuplaP 3 years ago
I had to speak out myself my friend. God bless
Jondadon2006 3 years ago 3
Put it this way people.
Are you choosing a day to worship God because you want to or are you choosing a day because it suits you?
Jondadon2006 3 years ago
thats a different view on it i thought it was the actual rfid chip it makes more sense because overtime no one will e able to buy or sell without it
lilchrizz123 3 years ago 2
Consider that until recently RFID chips weren't even dreamed of, and that Revelation is almost 2000 years old. In that light would it make more sense that the absolute meaning of Rev 14:9 when it says "receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand" to mean our thoughts from our forehead, or our actions from our hand?
If it meant RFID chips then God was confusing to everyone born before the digital age.
1110111011101110 3 years ago 2
"For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, will remain before Me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain.
And it will come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before Me, saith the Lord."
Isaiah 66:22,23.
3AM001 3 years ago
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Where does it say in the Bible that friday through to Saturday is the specific Sabbath? have you read Romans 14:5-8?
5 One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. 6He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord. He who eats meat, eats to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains, does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God.
katedorrough 3 years ago
Being Christian should removes the doubt in the Bibal & therefore the possibility of it contradicting itself, Right?
Now Exodus 20:8 Tells us (Remember the Sabbath and keep it Holy)"which we can still find the Jews keeping" & Jesus says in Mathew 5:17 (Think not that I'm come to destroy the Law, or the Prophets...)
Could the Bible contradict itself then?
Not if, what Paul means with the special days is the special sabbathes such as these on the Passover (such had special meaning to the Jews!)
ChrisCross199 3 years ago 2
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I question everything brother- especially here on YT! It was an honest question! I still don't have an answer. Where does it say that Saturday is the Sabbath so that I may look it up?
katedorrough 3 years ago
Fair enough dear sister,
Let me try it this way (Not Completely Bible based though)
The Sabbath day is the Seventh-Day of the week according to (Genesis 2.2)
Unfortionatly the original names for the days have changed along with the calenders, However this is not the case in Arabian countries (I lived 20 years in Egypt) where days' names is a simple count (one, two, three, etc)
So sunday is called (Ahhad) which means 1
Saturday is (Sabbt) which originated from (Sabaa) or 7 in Arabic
Bless U
ChrisCross199 3 years ago
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I still say Romans 14:5-8. Why would the Bible say this if it were not so. I have to work on saturday and Sunday. I go to Church on a Thursday from 8:30 till 12;30-1:00, and spend the rest of the day praying, and reading the bible, helping others with the word. Would you suggest that I am doing the wrong thing?
katedorrough 3 years ago
I can't suggest anything, I'm SDA Christian as is my older brother (Ex-Muslim & converted upon a 9 year Religion study, both of us had to leave everything behind & more or less escape for our decisions)
I was lucky to find a Job that respected my belief & gave me Sabbath Free upon my request my brother however wasn't so lucky!
There are certain things we might not be able to change, but we need to try it, yet it's not just work, it's keeping ourselves busy with our daily life on such a day...
ChrisCross199 3 years ago
i hate to tell you but YES, you are doing the wrong thing because you are working on the sabbath of GOD, read the 4th commandemtn in the bible and see what it says about working on the sabbath.
I also had to work on saturday until i realized that obeying God and striving to get to heaven was far more better than blending in with the worldly traditions of man and working & partying on saturdays, when you are face to face with Jesus Christ your JOB won't mean anything, its the choice u made!!
gtoutofthawrld 3 years ago
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But I prayed for this job and got it strait away. I was destitute. I am hardly trying to -as you say- blend in. That's how I eat! Who are we to judge? Have you read Romans 14;5-8? Heck all of Romans 14!?
katedorrough 3 years ago
i understand what you are saying, I had the same problem as far as working on saturday is concerned it is really hard to find a job that will let you off on saturdays, i'm not judging you.
But at the same times i really do believe that it is the enemy of souls who has made it so HARD to honor the tru sabbath, he has influenced man to make saturday actually one of the bussiest days as far as retail goes, and even influenced men to change the sabbath which i believe to be the seal of God.
gtoutofthawrld 3 years ago
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Where does it say in the Bible which day is the true sabbath? I would really like to know so that I may look it up.
katedorrough 3 years ago
Yesterday I was reading through The book of Mark and I noticed three times within the first six chapters (1:21; 3:1-2; 6:2)it mentioned that Jesus went into the synagogue on the Sabbath.
1110111011101110 3 years ago
To that kate I say read John 14:15.
DigitalPraise7 3 years ago 6
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I just read it. OK, this is the passage I
have been waiting for. Thankyou. Since I last posted here I have quit my Job and returned to church on Sunday's. Thanks
katedorrough 3 years ago
I wish you well, kate. I will pray that your journey with Christ goes well.
DigitalPraise7 3 years ago 3
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I will have to agree to disagree on this one with you. And not simple because it is my truth. I truly belive that the particular day is not important. As long as you have a day. Would it be better for me not to have a day at all!? We in the west follow the Julio-Claudian Calander implemented by Augustus who was a polytheist! I say this with love brothers. I am truly curious and searching here. In my heart, I belive that I am doing the right thing for God.
katedorrough 3 years ago
Chris I don't understand what you mean when you said that the original names for the days changed along with the calenders. Please explain what you mean, thank you in advance.
Lulu4Him 2 years ago 2
hey..i'm not sure which part you're referring to....clarify please or a time reference in the video? thanks God bless you
mleonyt 2 years ago
Great question. You can find some answers below. God Bless you. :-)
Forgetting to Remember, Revelation's Battlefield
video.google . com/videoplay?docid=-5845272716733144074
WJM34 3 years ago
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I question everything brother- especially here on YT! It was an honest question! I still don't have an answer. Where does it say that Saturday is the Sabbath so that I may look it up?
BTW: Of what faith are you?
katedorrough 3 years ago
I pray that you are searching honestly for God's truth because you will find it today if you are. :-) As someone above mentioned the word Saturday is not mentioned in the Bible. Neither are any other days of the week. The days are numbered except for the Seventh day Sabbath which is named. Base on the order/sequence of the days of the week which has remained constant from a couple hunderd yrs before Jesus till now we know 7th day is Saturday.
Check out sabbathtruth . com for research.
WJM34 3 years ago
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Always brother, Always am I ever-a-searching! Again, I say to you Romans 14;5-8How can we discount this!? Why would the Bible say this if it were not so. I have to work on saturday and Sunday. I go to Church on a Thursday from 8:30 till 12;30-1:00, and spend the rest of the day praying, and reading the bible, helping others with the word. Would you suggest that I am doing the wrong thing?
katedorrough 3 years ago
Have you considered that Romans 14:5-8 means something else when taken in light of verse 1?
Or if you want to concentrate on verses 5-8, then might the end of verse 5 where it is written that we should let "every man/woman be convinced in there own mind" mean that we shouldn't judge anyone for working on the Sabbath if they're not convinced that it is the Sabbath? That's God's job of course.
Does that make sense to you that the end of verse 5 shows a continuation of verse 1's thoughts?
1110111011101110 3 years ago
My last message was a response to katedorrough. Sorry but I'm not sure why my replies aren't being placed with the posts I'm responding to.
1110111011101110 3 years ago 2
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"every man/woman be convinced in there own mind" mean that we shouldn't judge anyone for working on the Sabbath if they're not convinced that it is the Sabbath? That's God's job of course."
That is exactly what I am saying. Where does it say in the Bible what day is the-as you say- true Sabbath. If I couldn't go to church on thursday, I couldn't attend at all! Does that make me a sinner? Love in Christ, kate xoxo
katedorrough 3 years ago
What I think I hear you asking specifically is that how can anybody know that the 7th day is Saturday based on a specific verse in the Bible. There isn't one.
Do you know that Jesus was a jew?
Do you know that Jews worship on Saturday?
Do you know that while the calendar system has changed, that the day of the week didn't change in order to implement that change?
Do you think that if the day changed that God would've let Jesus know?
If Jesus knew, then wouldnt he have told the disciples?
1110111011101110 3 years ago 3
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Well how can you say it is then!!! All truth is from God and shared with us in he bible. All else is from Satan. Disputation among men on days, months and times are futile. All days are to the Lord, all Months are to the Lord and all times are of the Lord.
God Bless
katedorrough 3 years ago
What I think I hear you saying is that I'm disputing with you. Is that correct?
1110111011101110 3 years ago
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Absolutely, that's what i am talking about! What about Galatians 4?
"For now, after we have known God, or rather are known of him, why should we turn again unto the Weak and Beggarly Elements, or desire again to be in Bondage to observe Dayes, and Months, and Times, and Years, lest Labour have been bestowed on us in vain" [Gal. 4:9-11]
katedorrough 3 years ago
Do you think Gal 4:9-11 says that God has done away with the 10 commandments?
1110111011101110 3 years ago 3
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Absolutely not, I am simply saying that we should care not which day or days we worship, As long as we do worship and have a sabbath!! How can we judge others because of the day they go to Church? Who are we to do so!? The bible says not to worry about such things ands I have provided passages tht say so. Thanks for your time guys.
katedorrough 3 years ago
YOUR QUESTION How can we judge others because of the day they go to Church? Who are we to do so!? END OF QUESTION
ANSWER Let me start by saying that nobody can judge your motivations for your belief. Next is that it isn't wrong for me or anyone else to judge your actions wrong concerning the Sabbath in this particular forum. I praise you for following what you believe, because anything else would be sin.
Now as for Galatians 4:9-11, why would Paul talk about Months, times, and years?
1110111011101110 3 years ago
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Becasue Paul is saying they mean nothing in the context of Romans 4 and Gal 4:19 What I am saying is -As long as you are fully convinced in your heart as Romans says, that you are honouring God, it doesn't matter the day.. Heck we should all be doing it all day every day!!! LOL
katedorrough 3 years ago
SUNSET: Leviticus 23:32
Paul is not getting rid of the 10 commandments in Romans 14 (see James 2:10)
mleonyt 3 years ago
I hope all people leave Babylon after hearing this. You are spreading the 3 Angels messages. You are doing God's will. God bless my friend.
PEOPLE THIS IS ALL TRUTH!!!!
Jondadon2006 3 years ago 3
Thanks a lot for this truth message!!
I hope many people watch this!!
God bless you!
Maranatha!
Nobby1844 3 years ago 2