Im sorry but I think the intervention in Iraq and the overthrow of its psychopathic dictatership was something that NEEDED to be done. The anti-war left really dissapointed with that stance
zeitgeist is the left wing version of fox news, don't believe everything you see. Loose change has some bits that are kinda correct, watch that and then read about what got debunked from it afterwards.
I oppose the war in Iraq, but it's too late to leave now. If you pull out, Russia will move in and take hold of the oil resources. America was doomed from the get-go with the war strategy and I think it will be the downfall of the American way of life. The U.S. is already collapsing and I don't think there is anything that can be done.
@nyomythus US economy is in shables: national debt at nearly $15 trillion, social security, treasury bonds and other debt are nearing default status. the militarily are committed to a tactically unwinnable scenario. poverty, unemployment and home foreclosure are out of control. health care is unavailable to many citizens. education quality is rated below most western nations. religious fundamentalism threatening to erode the constituion. human rights violations sactioned by congress.
@nyomythus america will eventually fall. it's happened to all other dominant cultures throughout history, and usually it occurs from within. i'm not a hater, i actually think america was a great country, but it is on the downslope now.
@playadominical Maybe maybe, but those other dominant cultures were not conceived from Enlightenment principles, but ya we do have our domestic and foreign foes .. gotta keep a hard-hard thumb down on those cockroaches ... if we value the survival of Liberalism, it's a plain often not so pretty truth I think.
Britain was the birth of these enlightenment principles. It collapsed yet had spread its yoke. Its conception is hard to pinpoint as it is ancient. But the conception of its power was the same as America's. The rule of law and the freedom for an individual to flourish and by virtue, the general good be advanced.
@nyomythus Then you'll have to do 2 things. Firstly, over 50% of Americans still hold tight to the bible and are religious....thats not very enlightened...so that would need to change. Secondly, elect Ron Paul, bring home your forces, close the bases and occupations and stop the CIA from starting more global problems!
@playadominical No other "empire" in history has had atomic weapons and legions of now harderned soldiers with m16's abrams tanks and apache helicopters...if any sort of revolution does happen i think it would be more in the form of a military coup then a civilian uprising
They really didn't have to go in so cack-handedly. The lessons the US military so clearly and admirably learned should have been achieved before they went in. The mess of Iraq needn't have been such.
@playadominical I agree with you...it was never a good idea going into in Iraq! However, I have been privy to information about the huge amount of natural gas in the USA ( enough for 100 years say experts ) which could easily replace most of your needs. Political will is your enemy! Two things: Ron Paul has the right ideas and if you haven't seen "Zeitgeist", its well worth the time....not on Youtube though, you have to Google it.
@playadominical Why were you opposed to the war? I was very much in favour of the intervention. I'd be curious to know what reasons made you oppose it
@moroney1 besides the fact that the government lied about the reason for the war, i think the U.S. had no business going over there to interfere in what was essentially a local matter. the U.S. only went in there because it was believed it would help the country financially. if it weren't for oil, there would have been no push to take out the dictator, since there are plenty of other dictators out there who the U.S. seem to tolerate those dictators don't have anything worth taking.
@playadominical Thanks for responding to me, I appreciate that.
Id argue completely against the statement that it was a local matter due to the the occurence of 9/11 and the potential for similiar attacks as well as the praising of them, or the continual persuit of Kuwait or the ambitions of WMDs and its flippancies, using them on about 180,000 Kurds.
Id also state that Hussein was different to the ''plenty of other dictators'' as he met all four criteria that would justify intervention
@moroney1 what criteria? mugabe doesn't qualify? 9/11 wasn't caused by Iraq, as you well know, and the fact they praised the attacks isn't a reason to invade. everybody knows the reason Iraq got invaded when they did is because it was good opportunity for america to go in there and seize power. but the reality of the situation isn't palatable to the press and the avg citizen, so the powers that be made up a b.s. story to convince americans they were over there doing the right thing.
@playadominical One policy does not make for the rise or fall of any entity, only through consistent lack of management and declining tax revenues and overspending of resources do empires and governments fall. Oh wait, .....=)
Lol this is what I don't get: We will leave 50,000 residual troops of Iraq, but we also have 50,000 residual troops in Germany. Do we really think another Reich is going to spring up there or something?
Yep. That is just one example of many that shows that the President doesn't really run things at the end of the day policy wise. The banking cartels and CIA are the ones with the real power who determine what may or may not happen overseas or domestically in many issues and until we get rid of them, nothing will change about our puppet Presidents.
The more Obama opens his mouth the more I disbelieve him.What is left of Iraq is a total mess and discord.The cost to Iraq are human lives on all sides .Don't mention money that is printed
@nyomythus The war in Iraq was a MASSIVE failure and also hypocritical. The hypocrisy emenating from the fact that the U.S. heavily supported Saddam in the 80's when he actually used chemical weapons then those same people that were in the reagan administration called for his ouster years later...hypocrites
@bigbossmann99 hypocrites hippotits, the U.S. was responsible for Saddam, which makes it that much more serious that the U.S. take responsibility for our mess, not doing so might be sneered at as hypocritical, but to have been, on the late date of 2003, willfully irresponsible is a much much much deeper offense to ourselves and our allies in and around Iraq. Continuing an irresponsible pattern is your solution?
@nyomythus lol the naivety is hilarious...my point is you ACTUALLY believe people who supported saddam when he had chemical weapons, knowing he had them & actually gave him more support because he used them would one day magically want him removed for moral reasons? It has NOTHING to do with same reason they supported him initially, oil, gas, no bid contracts for haliburton (the company vp used to run)..these guys didnt even TRY TO HIDE why we went in there...but the plan backfired on them
@bigbossmann99 You seem to think that I supported Bush, W. I did not.You seem to also suggest that U.S officials, though time, are the same people, same policy? Back to reality; Regime change in Iraq was accomplished. Your shallow-mindedness would truely be hilarious if the issue were not so critical.
@nyomythus Sigh, I sense the strong voice of Christopher Hitchens in your argument. I'm a fan of Christopher Hitchens writing and his stance on many things, including his strong support for the Palestinians. But he is not the world's greatest writer and unfortunately he has spawned a generation of half wits who cant think for themselves but regurgitate his failed arguments for the Bush administration.
@nyomythus (con't) but that being said, you clearly have no understanding of the history of this matter, yes the same people who were in the Reagan administration who STRONGLY SUPPORTED saddam, were in high positions in the Bush administration, all of a sudden calling for saddams removal for moral reasons (what a joke)
@nyomythus (con't) you see I do view this issue critically, that is why I do not look lightly upon hundreds of thousands of dead civilians, thousands of us soldiers dead all because of the incompetence, deception, bungling and manipulation of those who have no right to remove anyone they themselves criminally and immorally supported during the height of his greatest crimes. If you're going to go into Iraq at least appoint people who are SOMEWHAT competent (i.e. not rumsfeld, bremer, cheny)
@bigbossmann99 For the Iraqi people, U.S. and coalition soldiers you don't delay over pettiness, you go when you can go with the President and the 'appointees' that you have. At least, and shameful to the Left, the Right had the moral courage to meet the ends of human liberation. More time wasted equals more dead in an inevitable clash of opposites -- I know more dead is not what you wanted. Bush was not a greater enemy than Saddam.
@nyomythus What in the hell are you babbling about? lol...what "delay" Saddam (our once useful ally) was for all intents and purposes neutered and his own people would have removed him from power like the egyptians did to our ally mubarak (we seem to be allies with alot of dictators huh?) But if you do make the decision to go in appoint COMPETENT people, Paul Bremer is universally recognized as a moron who only made the situation worse
@nyomythus (con't) first he disbanded the Iraqi army (Who offered to help the U.S.) sending home 400,000 angry troops with weapons training before securing the ammo depots, he then disbanded the civil infrastructure, his entire term was a mes. And initially the military (you know people with actual military experience, unlike bush, cheney) said we needed at least 300,000 american troops to secure the country, rumsfeld in all his genius said no, "130,000 will do"..administration of MORONS
@nyomythus they completely mismanaged the war, causing thousands of U.S. lives and hundred of thousands of iraqi lives. No one is to blame here, not the Iraqi people who courageously went and voted against threats of violence, no the brave U.S. soldiers who persevere despite the incompentence of Bush and Cheney..but those two and rumsfeld are to blame for waging a campaign of lies to start a war and then mismanage that war...thankfully they are gone from power
@bigbossmann99 Glad they're gone too, but you sound surprised about death and war and that baffles me. People were going to die with or without a decision. Now put yourself in the shoes as the one who must make a decision. It's up to you -- and while you make decisions that protect us, and destroy the enemy, there will be those who sneer at you out of ignorance, and tribalism, and stubbornness, and opportunism. But know that what ''you'' decided was right, right?
@nyomythus What people were going to die? I think you need to quantify that for me because I'm not understanding what you are referring to...the war was NOT necessary, it was a war of choice. I also tries to refrain from grandiose expressions like "destroy the enemy". No amount of hyperbole can excuse the fact that this war was botched from day ONE, ran by incompetent individuals whose incompetence caused hundreds of thousands of uneccessary deaths.
@bigbossmann99 Iraqis, those of neighboring states, international combatants, humanitarian personnel. Tyrants carry death. It was coming, it was unavoidable, it would have been a mega-Rwandan coupled with regional invasions to fill the void of a blood-drained Iraq. The ground would have been so wet that the invaders blood would have run like rivers, and what a shame that would have been. Luckily, there is a sense of mercy and courage alive in the world, sadly so not championed by the Left.
@nyomythus Ok you're rambling in hyperbole and not bringing up any facts or coherent arguments. You give me the impression of someone who doesn't know or understand the history of the region and the facts leading up to the war and what happened afterwards. Please do some research on this topic as it is very importan and saying things like "the blood would run like rivers"...i mean that's just nutty, there's a litany of books and material on this topic...please do some research.
Sorry mate, I don't understand this comment. Please elaborate.
I stand by my point, his comment is entirely ignorant. The collapse of the British Empire had to do with the sacrifice of denying the Japanese and the Nazi's there's and the oft overlooked fact that the rule of law and a general squeamishness about hard repression meant that independence from Britain was not hard to achieve. I am surprised Hitchen's did not correct him.
@OneBigRetard You must have misread my comment. It's just neat how he was wrong about "destroying the british empire" etc...but right after says Osama Bin Laden is in northern pakistan(which is where he was when he was killed)
Conason and such an idiot liberal hack, even liberals are starting to admit he hurts them. Some of his commentary is so clearly lacking basis in reality to the point where he could be certified as dilusional.
Hitchens is completely clueless on Afghanistan and Iraq. There is no military solution which fits into European warfare. The US economy will continue to bleed as it spends trillions chasing a few hundred Mujahadeens around mountains.
Whats sickening about these people in the US calling for these wars is their lack of courage to call for a draft. Yemen is coming up Hitchens. There's 183 Al Qaida there.
@kybelian Hitchens is not clueless. Ok, fine, his opinion differs from your's. However, calling him clueless is an unwarranted attack. It's also untrue.
Hitchens is out of his element on Iraq. Well spoken cluelessness. All the US invasion did was allow Iran to have a foothole. Iran does not have to invade Iraq. The Shia look to Qom as their spiritual center not Mecca.
@eqsmooth Hitchens does not know anything valid about Iraq. This is not his area of expertise and Hussein did indeed have a secular government. Now Hitchens supports the strategies and actions which have actually strengthened Iran and destroyed Iraq.
@eqsmooth Iraq was a blunder. Iran never had as much influence in Baghdad when the Baathist ran it. Afghanistan? Al Qaida had no effect nor did Iran. Does Hitchens conveniently forget the Iraq-Iranian War? How much influence did Iran have in Iraq then? The US made the Shia strong in Iraq with wrongheaded Hubris.
Of course Iraq was a blunder & is a terrible thing. It was a neocon initiative along w/a revenge act for Bush. Do you know anything about Hitchens? Have you been to Iran/Iraq? He has spent much time there. I've never heard about him being smacked down in a debate and I'm certain;y not going to doubt his experience and knowledge. I suggest looking up the man's bio. Hitchens may not live to see a war in Yemen as he is about to die from cancer. I'm sure he's been to Yemen and knows what is coming.
lol. not surprising that so many people have so many different defintions of "success". As usual, it depends on who whom you ask, and whomever you ask, will just know that their position is correct. Theists should make themselves useful and ask God to come down and sort it all out.
That's how (American) TV works. Don't let the guest that you disagree with make his point. Quickly run a commercial and constantly, CONSTANTLY interrupt them so that your bigoted viewers don't get too offended.
Obama is such a sneaky ass. He didn't say "I will remove our troops from Iraq immediately", he said "I will BEGIN to remove our troops from Iraq immediately", he then goes on to say "within 16 months".
@controllerbrain im not american, so its not rly my business, but would you rly like to remove all soldiers and now ? When Iraq is still destabilized ??
@somewhatlongdong if we'd have listened to the Left then Bosnia would have been ethnically cleansed and Kosovo would be a part of a Greater Serbia push ast the seams of it's border to claim Croatia, Slovenia, and more. The Iraqi Kurds would have been ethnically cleansed and Kuwait would have been annexed by a still living Saddam ... if the Conservative are the only ones with the balls to champion traditional Liberal values then I'm with the Conservatives on this one.
There is no military solution in Iraq.... yet he strengthens the military presence there.. interesting agenda. I.e American people decieved? i think so
So why aren't the US in North Korea? There we have a country that actively strives to acquire wmd's, who doesn't want to cooperate, who says they have wmd's, that is FAR more oppressive and lethal to its population than Iraq was, that has a large portion of its population that wants to be liberated from its oppressors and where it is possible due to south korea.
Sounds like the PERFECT place to intervene. Oh I forgot, they don't have any natural resources, silly me.
idk the true reasons behind the wars in iraq and afghanistan, unless ur actually in the military(high up), or washington, but one reason north korea hasnt been invaded(i think) is intelligence, think about it they let no one in, leave and if someone is let in theyre followed the entire time theyre there, makes getting good intel hard to do
@rhcpfrush420 On North Korean, almost the entire population is kept on a razors edge of starvation, if there were even a two or three day delay in food distribution, there would be a mass starvation, also NK has a loaded gun pointed at the head of SK (conventional artillery aimed at Seoul), I'm afraid the time will never come, and the condition of International Liberalism will ever allow a rescue of the NK people ... why? Ask any provincial self-loathing Liberal and you find the answer.
If we don't intervene even more people will die, not to mention have many that will live such utterly pitiful lives that it can hardly be described as living.
It has been discussed by both the US military and the south koreans that a pre-emptive strike on NK would limit SK civilian casualties to less than 10000 as opposed to millions.
Pre-emptive strikes...wasn't that one of the main official reasons to invade Iraq?
Also...what do you mean with "International Liberalism"?
Well Mista Christa feels that we owe so much to the Kurds! Apparently he has become an official spokesman for them. He has always maintained credible and accurate insights regarding the nature of U.S. presence in Western Asia! We would be silly to ignore his Marxist------ I mean Bushian! views on national security!
Well thats because the North Koreans have a huge amount of artillery trained on Seoul. I read an estimate somewhere that a war in the Korean Peninsula would result in 1 million fatalities in the first 24 hours.
@Sachaztan Or, it could be that they're holding South Korea hostage with their nukes. We're not stupid for actually taking our time. And Iraq was pretty close to NK in terms of oppressiveness. Saddam did dabble in WMDs, even after the first Gulf War, and if you believe he actually tried to cooperate, that's your loss. He defied international law at every turn.
As for your "natural resources" claim, we intervened in both Afghanistan and the Balkans, neither of which have any natural resources.
@Sachaztan believe me man, I wish it wasn't like that, but that's how international politics works...the history of the world is the history of the struggle between states for natural resources. And until we develop alternative sources of energy, wars for oil will continue and (probably) must continue. I agree with you about the hypocrisy, but when Americans are paying sky high prices for oil because there isn't any, maybe we'd understand why some of these wars are fought.
From a sane POV, there was no success in Iraq. When idiot Republicans talk about "success" they mean that, early on in the war, thousands of people died per month, and now, with some strategy changes, slightly less people are dying per month. This is how these sick fucks define "success".
However, from the POV of the people running the war, it's a huge success. The intent was to destabilize Iraq so that they could run off with all the oil. They did it.
@terracottapie I'd like to see long lines of Ocean Tankers with oil we've looted from Iraq on it's way to the US ... fact is they don't exist. it was about oil, keeping it out of the hands of the thugs of the collapsing Iraqi state and placing it in the hands of the Iraqi people, thanks to the courage and mercy of UN forces.
@nyomythus That's because you're naive enough to think that oil industry moguls placed in charge of the US would steal oil and give it away to Americans. They stole it because they wanted to control it and set the price and drive the market, not to be the Santa Claus of oil and distribute it for the good of Americans. The US managed to fuck things up so bad that they even managed to destabilize the country MORE than it was under Saddam Hussein, which is quite a task.
I'm being presumptuous here I know, but usually Grindcore fans aren't the best sources of Political information.
Secondly, yes people did die, some of whom were innocent. However, a continuation of your logic would be 'Any war in which innocents have ever died, is immediatly nullified'. Too bad, every War in the history of Mankind has never been perfected enough to stop it from happening.
Lastly, Iraq actually has MORE oil now, than they did when we got there. This is because of our huge prospecting projects we have committed over there. Yes, a fraction of the Oil does indeed go to America. Most of it however, stays in Iraq or else is deported back into the Global Economy where it belongs; such as India and Japan. And no, we do not get the money for it; Iraq does. We still buy Oil from then...weird considering we only went in to steal it, huh?
You obviously know nothing about the topic you're vageuly attempting to discuss, there are a thousand and one factors of the complex Geopolitical event that was the Iraq war; that you neither know; nor have any craving to know. You are completely disingenuous, a raging Populist, your arguments are fallacious, cliched and unoriginal to the most extreme calibre. Speaking of innocents, I don't hear you mentioning the 50,000 children Hussein murdered..or the 450,000 others.
@CannibalCorpse909 Saddam Hussein is dead and we are helping to establish a democratic government in Iraq and relieve the people of Hussein and his crime family's violent dictatorship.
@lejink "Million" is a gross exaggeration. And those Iraqis include terrorist groups who were willing to kill both innocent Iraqis and our troops stationed in Iraq now. As for Saddam, if I were an Iraqi, I would be relieved that I am no longer governed by one of the greatest mass murderers in history who killed about 600,000 people under his rule. I am not even factoring in the harsh dictatorship and civil abuse caused to civilians by his government, excluding deaths.
@garyGjenkins its a gross exaggeration if you accept the american governments count of 100,000 to be accurate.
its apparently quite easy to find its inaccurate though. "Researchers randomly selected 1,849 households across Iraq and asked questions about births and deaths and migration" this is how realistic numbers are estimated.
anyways if invasion is the only choice then why arent you invading every other country with this problem? a few african countrys for starters.
@lejink It is not an exaggeration on my part. The information on the number of casualties came from several sources, most of them being civilian studies. They all average around 100,000 give or take. As for the initial reason we are in Iraq, the CIA gave information to the President of the United States that a madman had access to apocolyptic weapons. The only point I would concede as a negative reason for us to go into Iraq is the cost it puts on our already high national debt.
@garyGjenkins you did go into a war based on a big fat lie. why does america not police some of those african nations, no goodies to reap perhaps?.come on, your just ,modern day romans, that are about to be usurped by the chiness.
@kram83au I'm sorry, but your comment shows a little ignorance on your part. Have you heard of a little African nation called Libya in the news recently? And what evidence do you have to support the claim that we went into Iraq based on a "big fat lie?" Bush acted on info from the CIA to find WMDs in Iraq. And another thing, I think you and other people who think the Iraq war was morally wrong should take another look. We have removed a dictator who regularily killed his own people from power.
@garyGjenkins oh dear, american ignorance is truly bliss , with such a blatant piece of non critical thinking in your post, its just utter bollox. hey , who used to support saddam , mmm. i wouldnt bother posting back son. your way down the pecking order of a debate
@kram83au The whole point of that alliance according to one of our National Security directives was to promote stability in the Middle East. However, that alliance was broken by none other than, you guessed it, IRAQ! They launched an invasion of Kuwait if you forgot that little detail. And that's when the Clinton administration cut off ties with Iraq. So, I guess you're the ignorant one here, buddy. :)
If the afghanistan war had been handled competently back in 2002, we might not have these problems. Instead we decided to stretch our forces thin by invading Iraq as well. Brilliant.
Ya despite the opposition from with we're managed a great success in Iraq. I can't completely say "we've" because I can't say that my liberal brothers and sisters contributed much, most or the success belongs to the conservatives.
Actually, I'M ENGLISH CUNT!! Ur profile says you're an American. Also says you're 60 yrs old. LOL. No doubt 16. Must feel safe talking tough and throwing out insults in cyberspace, eh? I'd have you any day. Know that for sure. Cowards talk shit online. Name and address if you wanna talk face to face, otherwise fuckoff twat.
BREAKING NEWS: Investment banker Hassan Nemazee, a key supporter for the Clintons and other Democrats, including Obama, arrested on charges he lied to get $74M loan.
Abandoning our secular brothers and sisters to the extremist will (1) leave us with no allies in the world (2) when the extremist who hate us, because their holy books tell them so, come for us. No.
Robert Pape wrote a great book on this called "Dying to Win" If you occupy other peoples oil and are of a different religion it brings on suicide attacks.
Well, we were occupying another peoples oil, to keep it out of the hands of suicide and nihilistic extremist, of whom were killing their co-religionist, many times by suicidal means for sure, but who do you stand by and where do you think it all started? With our internationally mandated intervention or with the writing of the holy books that warrant slavery and death to the weak of faith?
I meant to say soil. But who cares what their books say? If our military personal were taking care of or borders and we didn't allow them to enter the country they couldn't hurt us.
Hubris among america political so called "elites". But to maintain this presence the political class will have to put in place conscription. The American people will not tolerate conscription. There will be a violent uprising.
You know one of DeGaulles best moves was getting France out Algeria. He knew the war was hurting France badly. And he didn't BS. He got France out of Algeria. Not Algerization or we have to leave the place "stable".
Is it just me or is the host ignoring the Hitch?
ChainsawVsGod 6 days ago
Hitchens always looks constipated lol
LikeTotallyDouchey 4 weeks ago
Well, he kept his promise. The troops are out.
ScientificExploits 4 weeks ago
@ScientificExploits Took twice as long as he promised...But yeah, they're still out.
Andyroo2319 2 weeks ago
Im sorry but I think the intervention in Iraq and the overthrow of its psychopathic dictatership was something that NEEDED to be done. The anti-war left really dissapointed with that stance
moroney1 1 month ago
Last troops left 3 days ago.
thetwentyteens 1 month ago
Hitch nailed it at 5:17.
ctriamimgons 1 month ago
Did Hitch just fart ?
Isospinsymmetries 3 months ago
Sixteen months have elapsed a long time ago. We still have them there. Way to go obama!!!
efrem1 4 months ago
zeitgeist is the left wing version of fox news, don't believe everything you see. Loose change has some bits that are kinda correct, watch that and then read about what got debunked from it afterwards.
Redping2020 4 months ago
Thank you for posting this, nyomythus.
writersblock26 5 months ago
@Tarn1968 Idiot.
iowntwocats 6 months ago
I oppose the war in Iraq, but it's too late to leave now. If you pull out, Russia will move in and take hold of the oil resources. America was doomed from the get-go with the war strategy and I think it will be the downfall of the American way of life. The U.S. is already collapsing and I don't think there is anything that can be done.
playadominical 6 months ago
@playadominical Oh People have been say that America is doomed doomed doomed since 1776.
nyomythus 6 months ago
@nyomythus US economy is in shables: national debt at nearly $15 trillion, social security, treasury bonds and other debt are nearing default status. the militarily are committed to a tactically unwinnable scenario. poverty, unemployment and home foreclosure are out of control. health care is unavailable to many citizens. education quality is rated below most western nations. religious fundamentalism threatening to erode the constituion. human rights violations sactioned by congress.
playadominical 6 months ago
@nyomythus america will eventually fall. it's happened to all other dominant cultures throughout history, and usually it occurs from within. i'm not a hater, i actually think america was a great country, but it is on the downslope now.
playadominical 6 months ago
@playadominical Maybe maybe, but those other dominant cultures were not conceived from Enlightenment principles, but ya we do have our domestic and foreign foes .. gotta keep a hard-hard thumb down on those cockroaches ... if we value the survival of Liberalism, it's a plain often not so pretty truth I think.
nyomythus 6 months ago
@nyomythus
Britain was the birth of these enlightenment principles. It collapsed yet had spread its yoke. Its conception is hard to pinpoint as it is ancient. But the conception of its power was the same as America's. The rule of law and the freedom for an individual to flourish and by virtue, the general good be advanced.
OneBigRetard 6 months ago
@nyomythus Then you'll have to do 2 things. Firstly, over 50% of Americans still hold tight to the bible and are religious....thats not very enlightened...so that would need to change. Secondly, elect Ron Paul, bring home your forces, close the bases and occupations and stop the CIA from starting more global problems!
Not too much to do eh?
bermudaguy1 4 months ago
@playadominical No other "empire" in history has had atomic weapons and legions of now harderned soldiers with m16's abrams tanks and apache helicopters...if any sort of revolution does happen i think it would be more in the form of a military coup then a civilian uprising
NotAG4yName 6 months ago
@playadominical
They really didn't have to go in so cack-handedly. The lessons the US military so clearly and admirably learned should have been achieved before they went in. The mess of Iraq needn't have been such.
OneBigRetard 6 months ago
@playadominical I agree with you...it was never a good idea going into in Iraq! However, I have been privy to information about the huge amount of natural gas in the USA ( enough for 100 years say experts ) which could easily replace most of your needs. Political will is your enemy! Two things: Ron Paul has the right ideas and if you haven't seen "Zeitgeist", its well worth the time....not on Youtube though, you have to Google it.
bermudaguy1 4 months ago
@playadominical Why were you opposed to the war? I was very much in favour of the intervention. I'd be curious to know what reasons made you oppose it
moroney1 1 month ago
@moroney1 besides the fact that the government lied about the reason for the war, i think the U.S. had no business going over there to interfere in what was essentially a local matter. the U.S. only went in there because it was believed it would help the country financially. if it weren't for oil, there would have been no push to take out the dictator, since there are plenty of other dictators out there who the U.S. seem to tolerate those dictators don't have anything worth taking.
playadominical 1 month ago
@playadominical Thanks for responding to me, I appreciate that.
Id argue completely against the statement that it was a local matter due to the the occurence of 9/11 and the potential for similiar attacks as well as the praising of them, or the continual persuit of Kuwait or the ambitions of WMDs and its flippancies, using them on about 180,000 Kurds.
Id also state that Hussein was different to the ''plenty of other dictators'' as he met all four criteria that would justify intervention
moroney1 1 month ago
@moroney1 what criteria? mugabe doesn't qualify? 9/11 wasn't caused by Iraq, as you well know, and the fact they praised the attacks isn't a reason to invade. everybody knows the reason Iraq got invaded when they did is because it was good opportunity for america to go in there and seize power. but the reality of the situation isn't palatable to the press and the avg citizen, so the powers that be made up a b.s. story to convince americans they were over there doing the right thing.
playadominical 1 month ago
@playadominical If a country fits certain criteria, then intervention should be expected.
1. Potential misuse for WMDs
2. Harbouring terrorists
3.Occupying another countries territory.
4.Genicide
Iraq met all four
moroney1 1 month ago
@playadominical One policy does not make for the rise or fall of any entity, only through consistent lack of management and declining tax revenues and overspending of resources do empires and governments fall. Oh wait, .....=)
wasteofspace20 3 days ago
Did any of that actually happen? I didn't think so.
MrMZaccone 6 months ago
There is no 'win' in Afghanistan. Period.
webgeek6 6 months ago
Why do American news presenters have to shout?
StevenAFC 7 months ago
love me I'm a liberal. lol
Dillingerman1 8 months ago
Once again ... Hitchens wipes the floor with his foes. These two liberal twats got their asses kicked by a liberal with a spine ... & intellect.
klrdotorg 8 months ago
Lol this is what I don't get: We will leave 50,000 residual troops of Iraq, but we also have 50,000 residual troops in Germany. Do we really think another Reich is going to spring up there or something?
Pooternackle5 8 months ago
geez this chris matthews is an annoying uppity cocksucker...
chitchensisgod 8 months ago
Oct 2, 2007 "I will remove our troops from Iraq immediately... within 16 months."
4 years ago now.
jessemaurais 9 months ago
@jessemaurais
Yep. That is just one example of many that shows that the President doesn't really run things at the end of the day policy wise. The banking cartels and CIA are the ones with the real power who determine what may or may not happen overseas or domestically in many issues and until we get rid of them, nothing will change about our puppet Presidents.
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chocolatediet11 9 months ago
People who engage in pointless arguments and one-upmanship on youtube video comment forums are wankers.
campbellf007 10 months ago
The more Obama opens his mouth the more I disbelieve him.What is left of Iraq is a total mess and discord.The cost to Iraq are human lives on all sides .Don't mention money that is printed
foppo100 11 months ago
@Tarn1968 don't forget genocide.
nyomythus 11 months ago
@nyomythus The war in Iraq was a MASSIVE failure and also hypocritical. The hypocrisy emenating from the fact that the U.S. heavily supported Saddam in the 80's when he actually used chemical weapons then those same people that were in the reagan administration called for his ouster years later...hypocrites
bigbossmann99 9 months ago
@bigbossmann99 hypocrites hippotits, the U.S. was responsible for Saddam, which makes it that much more serious that the U.S. take responsibility for our mess, not doing so might be sneered at as hypocritical, but to have been, on the late date of 2003, willfully irresponsible is a much much much deeper offense to ourselves and our allies in and around Iraq. Continuing an irresponsible pattern is your solution?
nyomythus 9 months ago
@nyomythus lol the naivety is hilarious...my point is you ACTUALLY believe people who supported saddam when he had chemical weapons, knowing he had them & actually gave him more support because he used them would one day magically want him removed for moral reasons? It has NOTHING to do with same reason they supported him initially, oil, gas, no bid contracts for haliburton (the company vp used to run)..these guys didnt even TRY TO HIDE why we went in there...but the plan backfired on them
bigbossmann99 9 months ago
@bigbossmann99 You seem to think that I supported Bush, W. I did not.You seem to also suggest that U.S officials, though time, are the same people, same policy? Back to reality; Regime change in Iraq was accomplished. Your shallow-mindedness would truely be hilarious if the issue were not so critical.
nyomythus 9 months ago
@nyomythus Sigh, I sense the strong voice of Christopher Hitchens in your argument. I'm a fan of Christopher Hitchens writing and his stance on many things, including his strong support for the Palestinians. But he is not the world's greatest writer and unfortunately he has spawned a generation of half wits who cant think for themselves but regurgitate his failed arguments for the Bush administration.
bigbossmann99 9 months ago
@bigbossmann99 And the Democratic Party is not a God.
nyomythus 9 months ago
@nyomythus (con't) but that being said, you clearly have no understanding of the history of this matter, yes the same people who were in the Reagan administration who STRONGLY SUPPORTED saddam, were in high positions in the Bush administration, all of a sudden calling for saddams removal for moral reasons (what a joke)
bigbossmann99 9 months ago
@nyomythus (con't) you see I do view this issue critically, that is why I do not look lightly upon hundreds of thousands of dead civilians, thousands of us soldiers dead all because of the incompetence, deception, bungling and manipulation of those who have no right to remove anyone they themselves criminally and immorally supported during the height of his greatest crimes. If you're going to go into Iraq at least appoint people who are SOMEWHAT competent (i.e. not rumsfeld, bremer, cheny)
bigbossmann99 9 months ago
@bigbossmann99 For the Iraqi people, U.S. and coalition soldiers you don't delay over pettiness, you go when you can go with the President and the 'appointees' that you have. At least, and shameful to the Left, the Right had the moral courage to meet the ends of human liberation. More time wasted equals more dead in an inevitable clash of opposites -- I know more dead is not what you wanted. Bush was not a greater enemy than Saddam.
nyomythus 9 months ago
@nyomythus What in the hell are you babbling about? lol...what "delay" Saddam (our once useful ally) was for all intents and purposes neutered and his own people would have removed him from power like the egyptians did to our ally mubarak (we seem to be allies with alot of dictators huh?) But if you do make the decision to go in appoint COMPETENT people, Paul Bremer is universally recognized as a moron who only made the situation worse
bigbossmann99 9 months ago
@nyomythus (con't) first he disbanded the Iraqi army (Who offered to help the U.S.) sending home 400,000 angry troops with weapons training before securing the ammo depots, he then disbanded the civil infrastructure, his entire term was a mes. And initially the military (you know people with actual military experience, unlike bush, cheney) said we needed at least 300,000 american troops to secure the country, rumsfeld in all his genius said no, "130,000 will do"..administration of MORONS
bigbossmann99 9 months ago
@nyomythus they completely mismanaged the war, causing thousands of U.S. lives and hundred of thousands of iraqi lives. No one is to blame here, not the Iraqi people who courageously went and voted against threats of violence, no the brave U.S. soldiers who persevere despite the incompentence of Bush and Cheney..but those two and rumsfeld are to blame for waging a campaign of lies to start a war and then mismanage that war...thankfully they are gone from power
bigbossmann99 9 months ago
@bigbossmann99 Glad they're gone too, but you sound surprised about death and war and that baffles me. People were going to die with or without a decision. Now put yourself in the shoes as the one who must make a decision. It's up to you -- and while you make decisions that protect us, and destroy the enemy, there will be those who sneer at you out of ignorance, and tribalism, and stubbornness, and opportunism. But know that what ''you'' decided was right, right?
nyomythus 9 months ago
@nyomythus What people were going to die? I think you need to quantify that for me because I'm not understanding what you are referring to...the war was NOT necessary, it was a war of choice. I also tries to refrain from grandiose expressions like "destroy the enemy". No amount of hyperbole can excuse the fact that this war was botched from day ONE, ran by incompetent individuals whose incompetence caused hundreds of thousands of uneccessary deaths.
bigbossmann99 9 months ago
@bigbossmann99 Iraqis, those of neighboring states, international combatants, humanitarian personnel. Tyrants carry death. It was coming, it was unavoidable, it would have been a mega-Rwandan coupled with regional invasions to fill the void of a blood-drained Iraq. The ground would have been so wet that the invaders blood would have run like rivers, and what a shame that would have been. Luckily, there is a sense of mercy and courage alive in the world, sadly so not championed by the Left.
nyomythus 9 months ago
@nyomythus Ok you're rambling in hyperbole and not bringing up any facts or coherent arguments. You give me the impression of someone who doesn't know or understand the history of the region and the facts leading up to the war and what happened afterwards. Please do some research on this topic as it is very importan and saying things like "the blood would run like rivers"...i mean that's just nutty, there's a litany of books and material on this topic...please do some research.
bigbossmann99 9 months ago
2.37 - 2.42: Anyone hear someone laughing?
Shagrat65 11 months ago
''Iraq study group''
What a ridiculous name. It sounds like a whole lot of foreign kids doing homework.
toddles9 11 months ago
Chris & Chris
writersblock26 11 months ago
'The Afghans destroyed the British Empire'.
That is a statement of massive ignorance. Just total bollocks.
OneBigRetard 1 year ago 18
@OneBigRetard That statement is the equivalent of dividing by the batman sign...
josephpricey 11 months ago
@OneBigRetard funny how he guessed where bin laden was fairly accurately
redryan20000 6 months ago
@redryan20000
Sorry mate, I don't understand this comment. Please elaborate.
I stand by my point, his comment is entirely ignorant. The collapse of the British Empire had to do with the sacrifice of denying the Japanese and the Nazi's there's and the oft overlooked fact that the rule of law and a general squeamishness about hard repression meant that independence from Britain was not hard to achieve. I am surprised Hitchen's did not correct him.
OneBigRetard 6 months ago
@OneBigRetard You must have misread my comment. It's just neat how he was wrong about "destroying the british empire" etc...but right after says Osama Bin Laden is in northern pakistan(which is where he was when he was killed)
redryan20000 6 months ago
1:52 i would love to do that once in my life hahaha awesome!!
adamsbeer 1 year ago
2.39 ' HAAAAARRR HAAAAAAARRRRR HAAAAAAARRRRR HARRR'. anyone else hear that?
stitcha123 1 year ago
Conason and such an idiot liberal hack, even liberals are starting to admit he hurts them. Some of his commentary is so clearly lacking basis in reality to the point where he could be certified as dilusional.
guyfroml 1 year ago
Hitchens is completely clueless on Afghanistan and Iraq. There is no military solution which fits into European warfare. The US economy will continue to bleed as it spends trillions chasing a few hundred Mujahadeens around mountains.
Whats sickening about these people in the US calling for these wars is their lack of courage to call for a draft. Yemen is coming up Hitchens. There's 183 Al Qaida there.
kybelian 1 year ago
@kybelian Hitchens is not clueless. Ok, fine, his opinion differs from your's. However, calling him clueless is an unwarranted attack. It's also untrue.
Dennygieck 1 year ago
Hitchens is out of his element on Iraq. Well spoken cluelessness. All the US invasion did was allow Iran to have a foothole. Iran does not have to invade Iraq. The Shia look to Qom as their spiritual center not Mecca.
kybelian 1 year ago
Chris always interrupts but the oe person you need not interrupt is Hitchens. Matthews can be such a doink.
eqsmooth 1 year ago
@eqsmooth Hitchens does not know anything valid about Iraq. This is not his area of expertise and Hussein did indeed have a secular government. Now Hitchens supports the strategies and actions which have actually strengthened Iran and destroyed Iraq.
kybelian 1 year ago
@kybelian
Secular for how long?
OneBigRetard 1 year ago
@eqsmooth Iraq was a blunder. Iran never had as much influence in Baghdad when the Baathist ran it. Afghanistan? Al Qaida had no effect nor did Iran. Does Hitchens conveniently forget the Iraq-Iranian War? How much influence did Iran have in Iraq then? The US made the Shia strong in Iraq with wrongheaded Hubris.
kybelian 1 year ago
Of course Iraq was a blunder & is a terrible thing. It was a neocon initiative along w/a revenge act for Bush. Do you know anything about Hitchens? Have you been to Iran/Iraq? He has spent much time there. I've never heard about him being smacked down in a debate and I'm certain;y not going to doubt his experience and knowledge. I suggest looking up the man's bio. Hitchens may not live to see a war in Yemen as he is about to die from cancer. I'm sure he's been to Yemen and knows what is coming.
eqsmooth 1 year ago
Joe Conason and his collection of hack buddies on Journolist can go and f*ck themselves.
crowsting123 1 year ago
lol. not surprising that so many people have so many different defintions of "success". As usual, it depends on who whom you ask, and whomever you ask, will just know that their position is correct. Theists should make themselves useful and ask God to come down and sort it all out.
jagemobe 1 year ago
Fuck Newspeak.
philnoll 1 year ago
props to Matthews for always giving Hitchens his due respect
mmeasy123 1 year ago
"I will move our combat troops out of Iraq" ...and move them to Afghanistan. "Good" job...
photek1944 1 year ago
The host is annoying and doesn´t let the guests speak enough
rokkvi1 1 year ago
@rokkvi1
That's how (American) TV works. Don't let the guest that you disagree with make his point. Quickly run a commercial and constantly, CONSTANTLY interrupt them so that your bigoted viewers don't get too offended.
photek1944 1 year ago
Obama is such a sneaky ass. He didn't say "I will remove our troops from Iraq immediately", he said "I will BEGIN to remove our troops from Iraq immediately", he then goes on to say "within 16 months".
controllerbrain 1 year ago
@controllerbrain im not american, so its not rly my business, but would you rly like to remove all soldiers and now ? When Iraq is still destabilized ??
CZKing 1 year ago
what is with the zombie in the background at 2:41 seconds lol Argghhh gonna bite ya.
FunnyStashVideos 2 years ago 2
Military solution was the only solution.
nyomythus 2 years ago
Final solution is the only solution for people like you.
ninjanerd8 1 year ago
@nyomythus oh yeah, and that military solution was such a huge success...
somewhatlongdong 1 year ago
@somewhatlongdong if we'd have listened to the Left then Bosnia would have been ethnically cleansed and Kosovo would be a part of a Greater Serbia push ast the seams of it's border to claim Croatia, Slovenia, and more. The Iraqi Kurds would have been ethnically cleansed and Kuwait would have been annexed by a still living Saddam ... if the Conservative are the only ones with the balls to champion traditional Liberal values then I'm with the Conservatives on this one.
nyomythus 1 year ago
There is no military solution in Iraq.... yet he strengthens the military presence there.. interesting agenda. I.e American people decieved? i think so
Litowczuk123 2 years ago
fuck god. fuck you.
YouDickwod 2 years ago
he's dead smart.
YouDickwod 2 years ago
great success as in fucking up anyone who wants to attack UN troops
majikninja07 2 years ago
Please explain this "great success in Iraq" you speak of. Thousands of innocent people killed? or are you speaking of the massive quantities of oil?
CannibalCorpse909 2 years ago 7
Ended the intermittent genocides and invasions and ya we took the oil out of the hand of Saddam and into the hands of a federal democracy.
nyomythus 2 years ago
So why aren't the US in North Korea? There we have a country that actively strives to acquire wmd's, who doesn't want to cooperate, who says they have wmd's, that is FAR more oppressive and lethal to its population than Iraq was, that has a large portion of its population that wants to be liberated from its oppressors and where it is possible due to south korea.
Sounds like the PERFECT place to intervene. Oh I forgot, they don't have any natural resources, silly me.
Sachaztan 1 year ago
Also they have a stronger army
Sachaztan 1 year ago
idk the true reasons behind the wars in iraq and afghanistan, unless ur actually in the military(high up), or washington, but one reason north korea hasnt been invaded(i think) is intelligence, think about it they let no one in, leave and if someone is let in theyre followed the entire time theyre there, makes getting good intel hard to do
rhcpfrush420 1 year ago
@rhcpfrush420 On North Korean, almost the entire population is kept on a razors edge of starvation, if there were even a two or three day delay in food distribution, there would be a mass starvation, also NK has a loaded gun pointed at the head of SK (conventional artillery aimed at Seoul), I'm afraid the time will never come, and the condition of International Liberalism will ever allow a rescue of the NK people ... why? Ask any provincial self-loathing Liberal and you find the answer.
nyomythus 1 year ago
If we don't intervene even more people will die, not to mention have many that will live such utterly pitiful lives that it can hardly be described as living.
It has been discussed by both the US military and the south koreans that a pre-emptive strike on NK would limit SK civilian casualties to less than 10000 as opposed to millions.
Pre-emptive strikes...wasn't that one of the main official reasons to invade Iraq?
Also...what do you mean with "International Liberalism"?
Sachaztan 1 year ago
@nyomythus And who would finance the war with North Korea? The Chinese? I doubt it. The Fed can only buy so many T-bills...
reefpirate 1 year ago
@rhcpfrush420
Well Mista Christa feels that we owe so much to the Kurds! Apparently he has become an official spokesman for them. He has always maintained credible and accurate insights regarding the nature of U.S. presence in Western Asia! We would be silly to ignore his Marxist------ I mean Bushian! views on national security!
byron84 1 year ago
Well thats because the North Koreans have a huge amount of artillery trained on Seoul. I read an estimate somewhere that a war in the Korean Peninsula would result in 1 million fatalities in the first 24 hours.
TheNightSpirit666 1 year ago
@Sachaztan Or, it could be that they're holding South Korea hostage with their nukes. We're not stupid for actually taking our time. And Iraq was pretty close to NK in terms of oppressiveness. Saddam did dabble in WMDs, even after the first Gulf War, and if you believe he actually tried to cooperate, that's your loss. He defied international law at every turn.
As for your "natural resources" claim, we intervened in both Afghanistan and the Balkans, neither of which have any natural resources.
soapfiction 1 year ago
@Sachaztan believe me man, I wish it wasn't like that, but that's how international politics works...the history of the world is the history of the struggle between states for natural resources. And until we develop alternative sources of energy, wars for oil will continue and (probably) must continue. I agree with you about the hypocrisy, but when Americans are paying sky high prices for oil because there isn't any, maybe we'd understand why some of these wars are fought.
FordPOS720 1 year ago
@CannibalCorpse909
From a sane POV, there was no success in Iraq. When idiot Republicans talk about "success" they mean that, early on in the war, thousands of people died per month, and now, with some strategy changes, slightly less people are dying per month. This is how these sick fucks define "success".
However, from the POV of the people running the war, it's a huge success. The intent was to destabilize Iraq so that they could run off with all the oil. They did it.
terracottapie 1 year ago
@terracottapie yes we can, yes we can!!
nyomythus 1 year ago
How exactly did they run off with all the oil? Your a fool with a big mouth. Get ready for it because its coming.
EasyEs 1 year ago
@terracottapie same freaks who think the US won in Vietnam
SingHouse 1 year ago
@terracottapie I'd like to see long lines of Ocean Tankers with oil we've looted from Iraq on it's way to the US ... fact is they don't exist. it was about oil, keeping it out of the hands of the thugs of the collapsing Iraqi state and placing it in the hands of the Iraqi people, thanks to the courage and mercy of UN forces.
nyomythus 1 year ago
@nyomythus That's because you're naive enough to think that oil industry moguls placed in charge of the US would steal oil and give it away to Americans. They stole it because they wanted to control it and set the price and drive the market, not to be the Santa Claus of oil and distribute it for the good of Americans. The US managed to fuck things up so bad that they even managed to destabilize the country MORE than it was under Saddam Hussein, which is quite a task.
terracottapie 1 year ago
@terracottapie
Your statements are so massively ignorant that I'm ashamed of myself for even replying to them..
I just wish to infer, every time you open your mouth; you are making a fool of yourself. Your disingenuity is glaring..
BelfastAtheist 10 months ago
@BelfastAtheist I other words, you have no reply to what I said, so you go ad hominem. Same game, different ballfield.
Also, you're using the word "infer" wrong.
terracottapie 10 months ago
@CannibalCorpse909 You think any oil we get from Iraq is going to pay back the costs of the war? Come on.
Death fucking metal forever by the way.
TheRemotestCipher 1 year ago
@CannibalCorpse909
First of all, your name is CannibalCorpse909..
I'm being presumptuous here I know, but usually Grindcore fans aren't the best sources of Political information.
Secondly, yes people did die, some of whom were innocent. However, a continuation of your logic would be 'Any war in which innocents have ever died, is immediatly nullified'. Too bad, every War in the history of Mankind has never been perfected enough to stop it from happening.
BelfastAtheist 10 months ago
@CannibalCorpse909
Lastly, Iraq actually has MORE oil now, than they did when we got there. This is because of our huge prospecting projects we have committed over there. Yes, a fraction of the Oil does indeed go to America. Most of it however, stays in Iraq or else is deported back into the Global Economy where it belongs; such as India and Japan. And no, we do not get the money for it; Iraq does. We still buy Oil from then...weird considering we only went in to steal it, huh?
BelfastAtheist 10 months ago
@CannibalCorpse909
You obviously know nothing about the topic you're vageuly attempting to discuss, there are a thousand and one factors of the complex Geopolitical event that was the Iraq war; that you neither know; nor have any craving to know. You are completely disingenuous, a raging Populist, your arguments are fallacious, cliched and unoriginal to the most extreme calibre. Speaking of innocents, I don't hear you mentioning the 50,000 children Hussein murdered..or the 450,000 others.
BelfastAtheist 10 months ago
@CannibalCorpse909 Saddam Hussein is dead and we are helping to establish a democratic government in Iraq and relieve the people of Hussein and his crime family's violent dictatorship.
garyGjenkins 7 months ago
@garyGjenkins im sure the million dead iraqi's killed by americans are SO relieved that saddam is gone.
lejink 7 months ago
@lejink It all depends on who you think was killing them, and would continued Saddam rule produce the same or even larger numbers.
nyomythus 7 months ago
@nyomythus I dunno let's petition the UN and get goin'
nyomythus 7 months ago
@lejink "Million" is a gross exaggeration. And those Iraqis include terrorist groups who were willing to kill both innocent Iraqis and our troops stationed in Iraq now. As for Saddam, if I were an Iraqi, I would be relieved that I am no longer governed by one of the greatest mass murderers in history who killed about 600,000 people under his rule. I am not even factoring in the harsh dictatorship and civil abuse caused to civilians by his government, excluding deaths.
garyGjenkins 7 months ago
@garyGjenkins its a gross exaggeration if you accept the american governments count of 100,000 to be accurate.
its apparently quite easy to find its inaccurate though. "Researchers randomly selected 1,849 households across Iraq and asked questions about births and deaths and migration" this is how realistic numbers are estimated.
anyways if invasion is the only choice then why arent you invading every other country with this problem? a few african countrys for starters.
lejink 7 months ago
@lejink I dunno let's petition the UN and get goin'
nyomythus 7 months ago
@lejink It is not an exaggeration on my part. The information on the number of casualties came from several sources, most of them being civilian studies. They all average around 100,000 give or take. As for the initial reason we are in Iraq, the CIA gave information to the President of the United States that a madman had access to apocolyptic weapons. The only point I would concede as a negative reason for us to go into Iraq is the cost it puts on our already high national debt.
garyGjenkins 7 months ago
@garyGjenkins you did go into a war based on a big fat lie. why does america not police some of those african nations, no goodies to reap perhaps?.come on, your just ,modern day romans, that are about to be usurped by the chiness.
kram83au 6 months ago
@kram83au I'm sorry, but your comment shows a little ignorance on your part. Have you heard of a little African nation called Libya in the news recently? And what evidence do you have to support the claim that we went into Iraq based on a "big fat lie?" Bush acted on info from the CIA to find WMDs in Iraq. And another thing, I think you and other people who think the Iraq war was morally wrong should take another look. We have removed a dictator who regularily killed his own people from power.
garyGjenkins 6 months ago
@garyGjenkins oh dear, american ignorance is truly bliss , with such a blatant piece of non critical thinking in your post, its just utter bollox. hey , who used to support saddam , mmm. i wouldnt bother posting back son. your way down the pecking order of a debate
kram83au 6 months ago
@kram83au The whole point of that alliance according to one of our National Security directives was to promote stability in the Middle East. However, that alliance was broken by none other than, you guessed it, IRAQ! They launched an invasion of Kuwait if you forgot that little detail. And that's when the Clinton administration cut off ties with Iraq. So, I guess you're the ignorant one here, buddy. :)
garyGjenkins 6 months ago
@garyGjenkins oh dear.
kram83au 6 months ago
@kram83au How do you spell "bollox" correctly?
85zeitgeist 6 months ago
@85zeitgeist
Bollocks.
Happy to help.
OneBigRetard 6 months ago
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@lejink ''im sure the million dead iraqi's killed by americans are SO relieved that saddam is gone.''
Were there over a million Iraqis killed in that intervention?
moroney1 1 month ago
If the afghanistan war had been handled competently back in 2002, we might not have these problems. Instead we decided to stretch our forces thin by invading Iraq as well. Brilliant.
VesusSheist 2 years ago
Ya despite the opposition from with we're managed a great success in Iraq. I can't completely say "we've" because I can't say that my liberal brothers and sisters contributed much, most or the success belongs to the conservatives.
nyomythus 2 years ago
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VesusSheist 2 years ago
Conason is one dark, ming the merciless looking motherfucker!
WolfmanJoeHunter 2 years ago 2
he's a vietnam vet. lol.
YouDickwod 2 years ago
if youre reading this fuck you. yea, i said it, fuck you.
doodles6857 2 years ago
Thanks for the tickle, lol, needed that :)
nyomythus 2 years ago
I'll tickle your mothers balls with my hot tongue, son. Don't fuck with me, or I'll fuck your sister in toe.
leave12 2 years ago
weak
nyomythus 2 years ago
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tristramshandy3 2 years ago
obama pat christ mathews on the head for being nice. . he gets a thrill up his ieg.
bookwormpaul 2 years ago
lol! i heard that :)
nyomythus 2 years ago
LOL at the Guys below me.
Youtube arguments = fun.
fuckgodfuckyou 2 years ago 16
greece conquered afganistan.
pervertedmind 2 years ago 2
I'll pickle your daughters balls, you fucking cunt
leave12 2 years ago
ehh i got anxious for being called a cunt, but then i read my comment. not that excited. i'm going back to being stoned.
pervertedmind 2 years ago 2
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@pervertedmind
"ehh i got anxious for being called a cunt, but then i read my comment. not that excited. i'm going back to being stoned."
Hahaha lol, thanks for making my day :)
Sachaztan 1 year ago
Fuck off you cunt, I'll suck your dads balls clean off
leave12 2 years ago
don't imagine that, because if you do and correctly, you aren't going to like it. trust me.
pervertedmind 2 years ago 2
I'm going to conquer your dads flatus
leave12 2 years ago
Destroyed the British Empire? Really? I like Matthews but that piece of pure hyperbole is absolutely wrong. Factually wrong.
thesecolors 2 years ago 3
I'm english and I fucked your Mum and sucked on her fat balls.
leave12 2 years ago
Actually, I'M ENGLISH CUNT!! Ur profile says you're an American. Also says you're 60 yrs old. LOL. No doubt 16. Must feel safe talking tough and throwing out insults in cyberspace, eh? I'd have you any day. Know that for sure. Cowards talk shit online. Name and address if you wanna talk face to face, otherwise fuckoff twat.
thesecolors 2 years ago
BREAKING NEWS: Investment banker Hassan Nemazee, a key supporter for the Clintons and other Democrats, including Obama, arrested on charges he lied to get $74M loan.
nyomythus 2 years ago
That was strange. If I had never watched any Hitchens videos before I would conclude that he was argueing against the war in Afghanistan.
45erwx7 2 years ago
What we ought to do is get are military personal of other peoples soil. Thats what brings on anger.
tonylee1973 2 years ago
Abandoning our secular brothers and sisters to the extremist will (1) leave us with no allies in the world (2) when the extremist who hate us, because their holy books tell them so, come for us. No.
nyomythus 2 years ago
Robert Pape wrote a great book on this called "Dying to Win" If you occupy other peoples oil and are of a different religion it brings on suicide attacks.
tonylee1973 2 years ago
Well, we were occupying another peoples oil, to keep it out of the hands of suicide and nihilistic extremist, of whom were killing their co-religionist, many times by suicidal means for sure, but who do you stand by and where do you think it all started? With our internationally mandated intervention or with the writing of the holy books that warrant slavery and death to the weak of faith?
nyomythus 2 years ago
Every holy book has writings that support such actions.
The book is simply a justification for the actions that take place. They are not the cause of the actions.
rgman268 2 years ago
I meant to say soil. But who cares what their books say? If our military personal were taking care of or borders and we didn't allow them to enter the country they couldn't hurt us.
tonylee1973 2 years ago
there holy book doesnt say to its the recent interpritors of the karan and word benders like BIn laden
politicalhangman 2 years ago
yes why do you still have 80.000 in Germany, Japan, and troops in portugal and another 100 countries.
FilipH86 2 years ago
Hubris among america political so called "elites". But to maintain this presence the political class will have to put in place conscription. The American people will not tolerate conscription. There will be a violent uprising.
tonylee1973 2 years ago
No they won't, conscription just isn't going to happen - be realistic.
getupjumpy 2 years ago
You know one of DeGaulles best moves was getting France out Algeria. He knew the war was hurting France badly. And he didn't BS. He got France out of Algeria. Not Algerization or we have to leave the place "stable".
tonylee1973 2 years ago
What the fuck is that sound in the background at 2:40, sounds like a retard who's lost his way
getupjumpy 2 years ago 3
fat sweaty slob matthews
prezobummer 2 years ago