Natural Dog Training Quantum Canine Eye Contact Episode 3

[quantumcanine]

I hope we can still count on your viewer support/

[James92820]

Ever been to the circus?

[quantumcanine]

Have you ever tried to praise a cat?

[PrometheansFire]

Are you trying to tire me out with non-sequiturs?

[quantumcanine]

A chimp couldn't be trained to handle the stress of a mock drill with lights, sirens, disaster teams, even if it was to LOOK for bananas under a carefully arranged pile of debris to simulate a wrecked building. This is also why when you pet and go crazy with praise around a dog he becomes more motivated (because he's becoming sensually aroused and thus even more energized) to perform whereas a chimp becomes becomes confused. It is an instinctual limitation of their emotional capacity.

[PrometheansFire]

Since you've never tried to do any of these things, once again

[PrometheansFire]

you are making assertions without any evidence.

[quantumcanine]

Dogs are unsuited to do underwater searches because they don't have gills and can't breathed. They can search buildings because they have lungs and can breath. Apes have lungs and can breathe in buildings but still can't search. This is because apes can't handle stress. Dogs can turn stress into drive because they have a high emotional and sexual capacity.

[PrometheansFire]

No, it's it is because once their ancestors developed trichormic vision, there was little evolutionary pressure to maintain a well developed olfactory system. While dogs still have a highly developed scenting abilities. It is nothing to do with stress.. it is a physiological limitation of their senses.

Searching has nothing to do with sex or emotion.

[PrometheansFire]

So you've abandoned your absurd comparison to the chimp without even acknowledging that you were wrong. How nice of you.

Just as the species specific qualities of simians made them unsuitable for some work, the same applies to cats. None of which prove or support any of your assertions.

Tell my why are dogs unsuited to do underwater mine search?

Why are dogs unsuited to do aerial searches?

[quantumcanine]

You said it was a simple fact of biology. What about cats, they are domesticated, can be trained by O/C, are better suited physically for S+R at building collapses, and yet they can't do the work?

[quantumcanine]

You cannot be a serious student of behavior if you maintain that olfactory capability is the only reason why chimps and monkeys would be freaked out by S+R training. If I'm not mistaken Washoe the signing chimp had to be kept behind bars, yet dogs without training can circulate freely among us.

[PrometheansFire]

Spare me your strawmen argument. Please point out where I wrote what you claim. It is a lie, nothing more.

Once again you fall back on absurd comparisons. One species is domesticated the other is not.

[quantumcanine]

But according to your standard Darwin shouldn't have been taken seriously until genes were discovered. And you refuse to deal with your anthropomorphism of projecting human reason onto animals.

[PrometheansFire]

No. According to the way you want to corrupt what I've written. In reality, the evidence from various disciplines were enough for reasonable people to accept evolution. YOur anthropomorphic, metaphysical, affective approach to dogs brings nothing of value to the discussion

[quantumcanine]

So because Darwin couldn't quantify or measure the mechanism by which traits were inheritable, since genes had not yet been discovered, all he could do was examine the circumstantial evidence and construct an argument from there, therefore his theory of common descent should not have been accepted.

[PrometheansFire]

Your comparison is flawed. You know about frequency. So you can measure the 'vibration" that you claim exists.

Darwin's did give an explanation - and the power of his explanation was that we could take what we learned about genetics and fit it into the Theory of Evolution without any problems.

Your ideas, don't make any sense and can't be integrated into any field of science.

[PrometheansFire]

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Since they are "vibrating" I assume you can measure the frequency of this 'vibration"

If they smell to check feelings, then you should be able to point to the change in chemical composition and correlated to a 'feeling" Can you do that?

An affective model is a return to anthropomorphism that was discarded for the many pitfalls that it carried. Read Kennedy's . "The new anthropomorphism." from Cambridge University Press

Don't tell me.... Kennedy got it wrong too.

[fess04]

excellent........thank you......i will impliment these suggestions with my german sheperd immediately