the whole point in speed bumps is to deter people from driving fast in high pedestrian locations. With this tire i can now go 80mph in a school zone with no damage to my cars suspension. thankyou
@MrDozip A long list of improvements was in order to get ERW closer to prime time. We had issues with every component. The hoops, membranes, spans, attachments, traction system... now all coming together in the patent office and soon independant labratory testing.
@MrDozip Thanks, basic research is the least glamorous but somebody has to do it. What we file in the patent office today will benifit other researchers for generations to come so we can take solice... even if we fail to bring auto ERW to the market.
@chrisfball12 Oddly ERW composite hoop moves around the hub without becoming out of balance. Check out our dyno video to see ERW "hub" ride high and forewords levitating inside the hoops against the USDOT 6,000 lb. dyno load at 75+ mph..
@000x7 Have you ever thrown and 'spun" a hula hoop to return to you. ERW hooks up a spinning hoop the exact opposite of pneu.. Just check out any super slow motion shots of burnouts to see the "battle" for traction. Wasted time and energy! Our new carbon nano tube infused carbon fiber Kevlar jacket hoop can become out of round the "spans" contract and recoil hoop body around hub for internal displacement, the Kevlar belted wings protect the hoop topped by the replaceable traction layer.
@deadbird58 Pneumatic tire can be taken out by a 1" wood screw while ERW can "run" with multiple 1" holes. The psi. failure of the composite hoop is 50,000 psi. what is pneu.?
@ChrisRoughleyTV Initially high but expect simpler manufacture process to be very close to pneu. over time. Fuel savings could someday be an important issue so we are trying to be ready when it is.
@ZeroGravity636 You are right. Our newest protos will eventually win out in a decade or two. We are ready to construct protos.... Tire industry could send money IE we are competition in the patent office so they will not. So over time we just hope ERW will make it and Russell gets the invention credit.
this invention sounds and looks awesome and i'm sure it works but im sorry, "...looks great ".....unless u're some gangster wannabe who likes to roll around in nanometer thin profile tyres with gangster dubs. these looks retarded for normal humans.
@Wochensau If it is rounder then it is smaller. The contact patch we have now is defined by the amount of compression at the base of the tire. As the wheel gets more perfect the amount of actual rubber on the road is reduced.
They are promoting the energy savings .... who cares. I want to stop.
@watzupdawg Patent filing #4 increases ERW 'footprint" closer to what we have come to expect from todays tires. Kevlar bound rubber wedges off the curve.
@EnergyReturnWheel By all means ... invent new tyres and new wheel. But I need to see the performance under conditions of harsh road surfaces. These looks like awesome racing tyres but I dont know if I want to be going cross country in them.
@watzupdawg We aim to impress with our carbon nano tube infused carbon fiber Kevlar jacket hoop. It can "flex" when struck, can displace internally around the hub plus todays suspension systems allow the wheel to move up and away from impediments like never before.
@proaudiohd Our USDOT video ERW "never done before" double digit coast down advantage VS 35.5 psi. pneumatic tire was more than vaporware. All ERW protos have performed in double digit land. We will bring the best of "all" developed protos into the next gen. then back to the USDOT labs.
@EnergyReturnWheel - That's great! All your videos should include numbers or links to the latest numbers. We all want to know- does it actually work? How well? Good luck and keep going!
@fukQazzhole We are close to a cost effective solution for you. Co molding, robotics to mfg. most anywhere. New products and innovation = jobs= good time.
I think this is a very great idea! and I think it's crazy that there hasn't been any new sorts of tire or wheel put on the markets yet... It's been hundreds of years
@MsCareerist Check out the PNU "real time tire deformation vid" to see how a pnumatic tire can behave. We are spinning a composite hoop for smoother power transfer, so yes.
@MsCareerist Physics 101 contact surface have you seen how many points of contact how many connecton there are between the inner and outter cricle rubber? on a tardicional tyre is much lessers and it's all connected on the same surface. But if that was a problem Ithink they could just make the outside look exactly the same. I don't believe the centripet force would rip the tyre appart...
lots of jargon and catch phrases. Would much rather see some real testing data and comparisons to existing technology. I'm not dismissing it but there are a lot of questions that should be asked. Some of which viewers here have suggested...
How are these forces redistributed compared to existing wheels
Manufacturability ?
Cost ?
Road Noise ?
Wear Comparisons?
Life Expectency ?
Maintaining balancing and performance at higher speed?
I dare say these will be answered in due course. Until then...
@spannerboy72 Exactly, We are about finishing up. Each system from our prior patented hoop material and contour, membrane structures, spans and materials is improving. We now have new patent pending traction system pats filing #4 and #5. Vacuum install/removal system #5. We demand perfection "before" we offer ERW for sale.
@EnergyReturnWheel Wouldn't sidewalls hinder the movement of the inner and outer wheel? Could you use a flexible material that *folds* to accommodate movement?
@asianwong Patent filing #4. Highly elastic sidewall curtains drawn with vacuum boost. Will run high speed at ambient air pressure IE loss of vacuum no problem even long term. Vacuum boost "charge" increases the sidewalls screw force accumulation/return from throttle or brake force. Additional draw VS the pull of gravity as hub sinks To "float" within the scope of the hoop.
@chadjaeckel We have been developing lightweight bicycle ERW and should return to automotive to combine the best of each patent and pending ERW tech. later this yr..
@androo5826 There is enough developed tension to resist cornering forces no problem. The big deal was to curve the hoops upward for camber issues, increase psi. and footprint size to more accuratly provide the "feel" and handling of pnu. by adding pat filing #4 bound rubber wedges off the curve. Now we lever rubber wedges to the surface increasing grip.
Great Idea! This is definitely the future of wheels. I hope they go on the market soon with reasonable prices. We need something new out there that can out perform our cave man wheel =)
@agrondemirovic Thanks! When material science progresses it makes possible new embodyments of the old school. ERW is carbon nano tubes, carbon fiber, Kevlar, and nano rubbers.
@Der8one Over time we are confident that the tire industry will benifit from the research we are doing today. All we can do is continue improving until we have finished the industry airless "grail".
@Motorguy4life Good point. We will need new specific application traction systems. We have already filed patents on creating dynamic tension within the tread structure. Morphing to surfaces more quickly for "high speed".
@thlin Even these early protos were very powerful. We used a german engineered 4,800 psi. membrane drawn 200%-300% elongation. This developed tension is aprox. 300 lbs. for each pull. Lateral forces can displace/ rotate ERW from 12 - 1 on a dial clock, however collective membrane force quickly multiplies as dislpacement continues. Our newest protos have a curved hoop for levering out bound rubber wedges to surfaces.
The idea sucks... 1 it's expensive... 2 it takes 10 times longer to get the rubber part of the wheel down than from a normal tire.... 3 looks bad... 4 it's a magnet for DIRT (yes what if dirt gets in the springs? do they still work????.... 3 as the tire gets older it will make a lot of noise (spring noise).
The wheel hasn't changed much because it's a simple and efficient idea... You made it complicated, expensive and thus prone to fail
@HachimitsuBoy85 We have been doing some crazy stuff around here. "No bolts", vacuum install, vacuum boost, new traction systems that levers wedges into corners, nano rubbers, Kevlar membrane "spans" to replace as much heavy rubber as we can.
@esdymo Nitrogen is more stable, easy on rubber, does not attract humidity and is thought to be less bouncy. We should try a nitrogen vacuum, thanks for reminding us!
@RollinKillin True, We can remove 30-50% of the large tire mass as we only need a thin elastic sidewall. The larger the ERW the better they lever. No more dangerous 9 bar tire pressures. Monster trucks will be set "free" from the heavy, slow responding tires of yester year. Also ERW is "high speed".
@RollinKillin Our firm flexable composite hoop is curved allowing for paddles off the curve IE smooth highway driving, paddles engage as ERW sinks into soft surfaces.
Could the ERW wheel be used inside a typical pneumatic tire. This would help protect the inner ERW wheel from curbs and the millions of other objects that damage typical wheels... would think the ERW wheels would get beat up very quickly without 6 or so inches of sidewall that keeps the actual edge of the wheel 6 inches away from where the tread meets the road.
@Crad746 Why bother? ERW composite hoops are very very tough IE 50,000 psi. thats 25 tons psi. and are protected by Kevlar bound nano rubber wedges. Compare to a 120 psi. tire burst event.?
Doesn't one have to check àll the bolds in the wheel every morning before one can drive savely away?? Or are those crews and bolds just used in the prototype-wheel? If bolds get loose because of vibrations during the driving...
I live in Ukraine... Our city roads are like after bombing... people steal manhole's to sell them for scrap metal, if that wheel gets in the canalization hole, will it "survive"? :D
@RollinKillin The curved composite hoop should match well with the curve of the missing man hole cover giving you a real chance of survival. It would be interesting to know what the optimal man hole escape velocity IE speed would be. Would it be cool to have non profit like road crews and volunteers to fill in pot holes to make life better for all? Small grants could go a long way. How about recycled plastic manhole covers not worth stealing?
@EnergyReturnWheel well, the manhole cover is about 1 meter in diameter, coul'd it really "survive" the hit in at least 60 km/h?
Well, here in UA, nobody will work without any profit... The cast-iron caps were being installed since the Soviet Union... now I really sometimes see plastic manholes on roads... few years ago, the authority provided a ordinance, that any person who steals or buy's a manhole is subjected to criminal liability...
But even that doesn't stop people...bribes do their jobs
@RollinKillin Nothing "car size" available today, that we know of, could survive what you propose. Quite the challange, we will have to consider such a daring event in the future. I just hope its not my car that goes first. Just a thought... we have been requested to build a 3 meter earth mover ERW that would do the trick. Would that be cheating?
this is not practical. too expensive, too much maintenance. braking and acceleration all goes to hell, this is steel so it will probably rust....... it's a good idea but our technology is too immature.
@everythingman987 actually scratch that. A GREAT BRILLIANT IDEA i am a fan of this concept but i don't think our technology in this day and age is advanced enough.
@everythingman987 We have been doing something about that. We have pioneered our own space age carbon nano tube carbon fiber, Kevlar and rubber applications. We now have linear fabric based traction systems.
@xyperox We have a vacuum install in the works so no holes. However the strength of the ERW hoop will allow for "significant" hub weight reductions for max. performance. For now we can only bring bicycle to mkt..
You know that saying, don't re-invent the wheel? DON'T! For this reason. I assume you've put time and effort into this to result to something we already have. "It's efficient", I'm guessing these will roll out at at least more than double the price for normal hubs/tyres? You'll spend that money on petrol/diesel/hydrogen(if they develop it)/Biofuels(which are becoming more and more popular).
@TheEpicLew10ant No more flat tires on your bicycle, auto, heavy truck, buss, fire equipment or first responders. Fuel savings will matter even more in 10 yrs.. ERW works on all types, hybred, electric, hydrogen whatever. Check out our coastdown vid.
hey it can do almost anything can it drift too bec. im a drift fan and drift myself too so cn you answer if it drifts ill buy those tires in the future
@drifter11232 We need a replaceable traction layer for you to "smoke". When you are done having fun you are not buying a set tires.... just a molded "on drift site" custom traction layer for your next trip.
@princerappy Without the avg. 2 lbs. of compressed air ERW cannot resonate like an inflated tire body. ERW "rolls" a footprint it does not "slap" a treadblock like pnu. IE the wack sound you hear while driving over metal bridges and other hard surfaces.
@princerappy I think there may be the potential for less road noise if done properly, as provided they've designed the shocks adequately the outer rim may be fairly well decoupled from the inner rim which connects with the axles. I'll be interested to see if these gain any traction (BOOM BOOM) in the market and are professionally tested in Autosport etc.
@christopherwoods We are working hard to provide a fully developed product. It may be a decade before ERW will be allowed but we are very confident that the efficiency gains are too great to be denied for long.
How will it make you stop faster? If tires PROPERLY infalated they have hire tire to ground ration so faster stopping. There is NO data ANYWHERE, the only thing that can explaint this is if tires are OVER inflated but then your information is corrupted.
@KZWolf ERW can wind up / return a % of screw force and meter it out IE a torque converter like effect. Our new pat pending tread system can almost suction cup to the surface in panic stops as lateral and medial wedges are forced into the surface.
@alex32440 No, we continue to improve prototype to prototype. 3 new prototypes, 2 new patent filings in the last 90 days. We are combining the best of each. We hope 2012 will be our year.
@Bouregard3 The now upward curving composite hoop has a freedom of movement around the hub tied in place by drawn highly elastic membranes. Each membrane is drawn into a funnel like shape tapering/focusing to the hub. Lateral force displaces the hoop IE rolling at you you would see the hoop go from 12 to 1 "dial" clock. This action levers our "outrigger" Kevlar bound rubber wedges into the corner.
@EnergyReturnWheel .... I'm not an inventor or have any expert knowledge but it makes sense to me how these wheels could improve effeciency... only a few issues I can see with regards to what happens when the side is impacted, either in an accident or when going into a deep pothole? rubber can take a certain amount of abuse that a solid material won't bounce back from.
won't the ride comfort be rubbish? i mean no air and there is not alot of give in the wheel either? good idea and looks amazing but i still see some issues...
@Baracus09 Its better than you think. We use hoop flex, membrane vs membrane elongation for internal deformation, a more controled compression / rebound of traction layer. Together these systems modify impact and vibration more quickly than pnu. sidewall and treadblock. Internal hub / hoop displacement is anti bounce.
Suspension will lift vehicle? What? What a bunch of bologna sausage!
Do you have any knowledge of suspension kinematics whatsoever? Come on man! You've got to be kidding me! Since your designing tires you must know about KPI, cornering stiffness, camber gain, and normal forces right? You are uneducated!
Suspension is damped harmonic motion. Have you taken an entry-level physics course before? Instead of being ignorant, do you want to give me some answers?
Let me ask you one important question, and I want to see what your reply is.
How does the deflection of the "hoop" transferred into torque? Using fundamental engineering terms, please explain.
Most of the equations make sense, while a few don't seem to really apply? Is that article even for the ERW? For the ERW I'm almost positive you'll need damping and spring rates.
Do you know any of the math yourself? Or are you just the guy with the dough and an idea?
What I want to see is these wheels on a race car, maybe F1 car and see how it handles, Will the pressure and intensity cause the wheel to fall apart? Test it please and prove it to us!
@Instructinator Erw is similar to the tire... air pressure increases/decreases is like more or less membrane elongation. Air pressure follows the path of least resistance, bulging sidewalls/bounce "loss" under pressure while ERW membranes path of least resistance draws forces to points"conserve"/ lever.
but.. will it blend?
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xraifalx 21 hours ago
the whole point in speed bumps is to deter people from driving fast in high pedestrian locations. With this tire i can now go 80mph in a school zone with no damage to my cars suspension. thankyou
HeadShot360IN 4 days ago
@HeadShot360IN You are right about the need to slow cars. ERW diminishes a speed bump but not enough to be ignored.
EnergyReturnWheel 3 days ago
it looks retarded!!
ilibasic 4 days ago
this video was uploaded in 2008, thats 4 years agoo and why isnt it still applied yet?
MrDozip 4 days ago
@MrDozip A long list of improvements was in order to get ERW closer to prime time. We had issues with every component. The hoops, membranes, spans, attachments, traction system... now all coming together in the patent office and soon independant labratory testing.
EnergyReturnWheel 3 days ago
@EnergyReturnWheel good luck, i hope your work and effort pays off.
MrDozip 3 days ago
@MrDozip Thanks, basic research is the least glamorous but somebody has to do it. What we file in the patent office today will benifit other researchers for generations to come so we can take solice... even if we fail to bring auto ERW to the market.
EnergyReturnWheel 2 days ago
What about wheel balance?
chrisfball12 6 days ago
@chrisfball12 Oddly ERW composite hoop moves around the hub without becoming out of balance. Check out our dyno video to see ERW "hub" ride high and forewords levitating inside the hoops against the USDOT 6,000 lb. dyno load at 75+ mph..
EnergyReturnWheel 5 days ago
what is name programs:?
imike231 6 days ago
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ALWANASAH 1 week ago
Can you burnout with these??
And what if you hit a a side walk going pretty fast?
000x7 1 week ago
@000x7 Have you ever thrown and 'spun" a hula hoop to return to you. ERW hooks up a spinning hoop the exact opposite of pneu.. Just check out any super slow motion shots of burnouts to see the "battle" for traction. Wasted time and energy! Our new carbon nano tube infused carbon fiber Kevlar jacket hoop can become out of round the "spans" contract and recoil hoop body around hub for internal displacement, the Kevlar belted wings protect the hoop topped by the replaceable traction layer.
EnergyReturnWheel 1 week ago
@EnergyReturnWheel he only wanted to know if you could do a burnout with these.... not a fucking essay
matty0l214 3 days ago
@matty0l214 Sometimes we get too excited.
EnergyReturnWheel 3 days ago
lmao animated braking test. wow you showed me!
thfelipeth 1 week ago
@thfelipeth We have invested in patents and prototypes as our first priority.
EnergyReturnWheel 1 week ago
how is this safer?
deadbird58 1 week ago
@deadbird58 Pneumatic tire can be taken out by a 1" wood screw while ERW can "run" with multiple 1" holes. The psi. failure of the composite hoop is 50,000 psi. what is pneu.?
EnergyReturnWheel 1 week ago
@EnergyReturnWheel ok (did not unders stand enything but ok) ;)
deadbird58 1 week ago
And how much does it cost?
ChrisRoughleyTV 1 week ago 4
@ChrisRoughleyTV Initially high but expect simpler manufacture process to be very close to pneu. over time. Fuel savings could someday be an important issue so we are trying to be ready when it is.
EnergyReturnWheel 1 week ago
@ChrisRoughleyTV
In germany you have to pay 8,5 $ per gallon....
Just think about the savings of money if you invest in the ERW and if they really save fuel ;)
ZeroGravity636 1 week ago
@ZeroGravity636 You are right. Our newest protos will eventually win out in a decade or two. We are ready to construct protos.... Tire industry could send money IE we are competition in the patent office so they will not. So over time we just hope ERW will make it and Russell gets the invention credit.
EnergyReturnWheel 1 week ago
this invention sounds and looks awesome and i'm sure it works but im sorry, "...looks great ".....unless u're some gangster wannabe who likes to roll around in nanometer thin profile tyres with gangster dubs. these looks retarded for normal humans.
00unknownmember00 2 weeks ago
@00unknownmember00 We have many versions of ERW.
EnergyReturnWheel 2 weeks ago
now what happens if you brake hard of accelerate hard, will it slip inside itself?
jhowe67 2 weeks ago
@jhowe67 ERW accumulates/returns screw force so yes.
EnergyReturnWheel 2 weeks ago
Thanks and nice job!! No doubt this will change the world
000x7 2 weeks ago
And what about when your 10,000 pound truck is towing 25,000 pounds?? Will they break??
000x7 2 weeks ago
@000x7 ERW composite hoop strength is over 50,000 psi.! Basic membrane strength is 4,800 psi.!
EnergyReturnWheel 2 weeks ago
Are you guys going make some for off roading?? Like all terrain. Mud terrain. Or extereme terrain??
000x7 2 weeks ago
@000x7 For sure. Expect massive weight reduction in hub weight and sidewalls.
EnergyReturnWheel 2 weeks ago
Try wisiting their site. No updates sice 2009......! Wonder why.....
juliesfar 2 weeks ago
@juliesfar We have been occupied with prototype development and patent filings. Check out our new bicycle ERW video to see where we are at now.
EnergyReturnWheel 2 weeks ago
Even if it's much better than normal tires ... these tires are fkin ugly .
SundownBeats 3 weeks ago
All i see is a smaller contact patch. I cant see how that makes better braking ability.
watzupdawg 3 weeks ago
@watzupdawg How is it smaller?
Wochensau 3 weeks ago
@Wochensau If it is rounder then it is smaller. The contact patch we have now is defined by the amount of compression at the base of the tire. As the wheel gets more perfect the amount of actual rubber on the road is reduced.
They are promoting the energy savings .... who cares. I want to stop.
watzupdawg 3 weeks ago
@watzupdawg Oh now I see; so the tires will have to be wider then.
Wochensau 3 weeks ago
@watzupdawg Patent filing #4 increases ERW 'footprint" closer to what we have come to expect from todays tires. Kevlar bound rubber wedges off the curve.
EnergyReturnWheel 3 weeks ago
@EnergyReturnWheel By all means ... invent new tyres and new wheel. But I need to see the performance under conditions of harsh road surfaces. These looks like awesome racing tyres but I dont know if I want to be going cross country in them.
watzupdawg 3 weeks ago
@watzupdawg We aim to impress with our carbon nano tube infused carbon fiber Kevlar jacket hoop. It can "flex" when struck, can displace internally around the hub plus todays suspension systems allow the wheel to move up and away from impediments like never before.
EnergyReturnWheel 2 weeks ago
@EnergyReturnWheel Hopefully Continental or Michellin will do some tests. Even with a patent ... you still need big companies.
watzupdawg 2 weeks ago
@watzupdawg Thanks! The future is wide open for testing and license opportunities. We are ready to build specialty prototypes for them.
EnergyReturnWheel 2 weeks ago
Great thinking, but until you put up some actual numbers from repeatable tests, it's vaporware.
proaudiohd 3 weeks ago
@proaudiohd Our USDOT video ERW "never done before" double digit coast down advantage VS 35.5 psi. pneumatic tire was more than vaporware. All ERW protos have performed in double digit land. We will bring the best of "all" developed protos into the next gen. then back to the USDOT labs.
EnergyReturnWheel 3 weeks ago
@EnergyReturnWheel - That's great! All your videos should include numbers or links to the latest numbers. We all want to know- does it actually work? How well? Good luck and keep going!
proaudiohd 3 weeks ago
lol let me guess $3000 per wheel?yeah we all can afford those.
fukQazzhole 3 weeks ago
@fukQazzhole We are close to a cost effective solution for you. Co molding, robotics to mfg. most anywhere. New products and innovation = jobs= good time.
EnergyReturnWheel 3 weeks ago
I think this is a very great idea! and I think it's crazy that there hasn't been any new sorts of tire or wheel put on the markets yet... It's been hundreds of years
Iraqnid2088 1 month ago
DO A BURNOUT!!!!
just kiddin guys..
Boog11487 1 month ago
But if stone or snow gets in middle it blocks amortization ?
Hadesqq 1 month ago
they don'tr have this with a white wall? is it rated for ove 5000 pounds
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i am wondering:
have they tested it in drifting
MsCareerist 1 month ago 18
@MsCareerist Check out the PNU "real time tire deformation vid" to see how a pnumatic tire can behave. We are spinning a composite hoop for smoother power transfer, so yes.
EnergyReturnWheel 1 month ago
@MsCareerist Physics 101 contact surface have you seen how many points of contact how many connecton there are between the inner and outter cricle rubber? on a tardicional tyre is much lessers and it's all connected on the same surface. But if that was a problem Ithink they could just make the outside look exactly the same. I don't believe the centripet force would rip the tyre appart...
ee01239 14 hours ago
lots of jargon and catch phrases. Would much rather see some real testing data and comparisons to existing technology. I'm not dismissing it but there are a lot of questions that should be asked. Some of which viewers here have suggested...
How are these forces redistributed compared to existing wheels
Manufacturability ?
Cost ?
Road Noise ?
Wear Comparisons?
Life Expectency ?
Maintaining balancing and performance at higher speed?
I dare say these will be answered in due course. Until then...
spannerboy72 1 month ago 2
@spannerboy72 Exactly, We are about finishing up. Each system from our prior patented hoop material and contour, membrane structures, spans and materials is improving. We now have new patent pending traction system pats filing #4 and #5. Vacuum install/removal system #5. We demand perfection "before" we offer ERW for sale.
EnergyReturnWheel 1 month ago
I think that it is complete bicycle wheel whith cords leads to axis. except tube-less and air-less. (on some cheaper bike)
mertuarez 1 month ago
@mertuarez # 5 Bicycle ERW is closer to a suspension bridge. Weight reduction.
EnergyReturnWheel 1 month ago
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How does the physics of the wheel change when the car is at 160mph???
vIGinge09Iv 1 month ago
what about winter?
skirmishgla 1 month ago
@skirmishgla Our firm hoop increases psi. to the ground, good for ice, paddles off the curve for sinking into soft surfaces.
EnergyReturnWheel 1 month ago
@EnergyReturnWheel
what I meant is the scenario where you drive through the wet snow, and the space between tire and rim fills with ice overnigh for example.
skirmishgla 1 month ago
@skirmishgla Sidewalls.
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@EnergyReturnWheel Wouldn't sidewalls hinder the movement of the inner and outer wheel? Could you use a flexible material that *folds* to accommodate movement?
asianwong 1 month ago
@asianwong Patent filing #4. Highly elastic sidewall curtains drawn with vacuum boost. Will run high speed at ambient air pressure IE loss of vacuum no problem even long term. Vacuum boost "charge" increases the sidewalls screw force accumulation/return from throttle or brake force. Additional draw VS the pull of gravity as hub sinks To "float" within the scope of the hoop.
EnergyReturnWheel 1 month ago
How far off are real world skid pad, breaking and slalom tests?
chadjaeckel 1 month ago
@chadjaeckel We have been developing lightweight bicycle ERW and should return to automotive to combine the best of each patent and pending ERW tech. later this yr..
EnergyReturnWheel 1 month ago
what will happen if you corner too hard?
androo5826 1 month ago
@androo5826 There is enough developed tension to resist cornering forces no problem. The big deal was to curve the hoops upward for camber issues, increase psi. and footprint size to more accuratly provide the "feel" and handling of pnu. by adding pat filing #4 bound rubber wedges off the curve. Now we lever rubber wedges to the surface increasing grip.
EnergyReturnWheel 1 month ago
Great Idea! This is definitely the future of wheels. I hope they go on the market soon with reasonable prices. We need something new out there that can out perform our cave man wheel =)
agrondemirovic 1 month ago
@agrondemirovic Thanks! When material science progresses it makes possible new embodyments of the old school. ERW is carbon nano tubes, carbon fiber, Kevlar, and nano rubbers.
EnergyReturnWheel 1 month ago
at the same time you have to price these competitive to those of the air tires or this thing is going fail big time.
DJKiDDKlashez 1 month ago
Re-inventing the wheel.
Unfortunately, it's too good, so there will be alot of corporate lobbying to prevent it from being mass produced.
Der8one 1 month ago
@Der8one Over time we are confident that the tire industry will benifit from the research we are doing today. All we can do is continue improving until we have finished the industry airless "grail".
EnergyReturnWheel 1 month ago
Want to see those on my tractor! You said that its possible to put those on every vehicle!
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@666mikimiki Better performance for tractors is a big deal. We can remove alot of rubber mass for sure.
EnergyReturnWheel 1 month ago
@EnergyReturnWheel what about the weight of that tractor wheel that migh cut performece just a tad right.
Motorguy4life 1 month ago
@Motorguy4life Good point. We will need new specific application traction systems. We have already filed patents on creating dynamic tension within the tread structure. Morphing to surfaces more quickly for "high speed".
EnergyReturnWheel 1 month ago
How can these tires handle the high speed turns/hangs? Can the bolts on the tire handle 1 g?
thlin 1 month ago
@thlin Even these early protos were very powerful. We used a german engineered 4,800 psi. membrane drawn 200%-300% elongation. This developed tension is aprox. 300 lbs. for each pull. Lateral forces can displace/ rotate ERW from 12 - 1 on a dial clock, however collective membrane force quickly multiplies as dislpacement continues. Our newest protos have a curved hoop for levering out bound rubber wedges to surfaces.
EnergyReturnWheel 1 month ago
@EnergyReturnWheel Wow! quick response! Hope these these tires come out cheap! xD
thlin 1 month ago
The idea sucks... 1 it's expensive... 2 it takes 10 times longer to get the rubber part of the wheel down than from a normal tire.... 3 looks bad... 4 it's a magnet for DIRT (yes what if dirt gets in the springs? do they still work????.... 3 as the tire gets older it will make a lot of noise (spring noise).
The wheel hasn't changed much because it's a simple and efficient idea... You made it complicated, expensive and thus prone to fail
HachimitsuBoy85 1 month ago
@HachimitsuBoy85 We have been doing some crazy stuff around here. "No bolts", vacuum install, vacuum boost, new traction systems that levers wedges into corners, nano rubbers, Kevlar membrane "spans" to replace as much heavy rubber as we can.
EnergyReturnWheel 1 month ago
whats different with nitrous filled tires like those in gtr
esdymo 1 month ago
@esdymo Nitrogen is more stable, easy on rubber, does not attract humidity and is thought to be less bouncy. We should try a nitrogen vacuum, thanks for reminding us!
EnergyReturnWheel 1 month ago
How would those tires do in the snow or rain?
xD0NV1T0x 1 month ago
Screw the animation .... give us some real footage!
frasercorey 1 month ago 12
@frasercorey watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=iOSAQjCbXZE
hadyanth 1 month ago
So you been doing this for how long and put how much money in to it?
ColibriMONOPOL 1 month ago
@ColibriMONOPOL Ten years 5 patents and just enough $ to meet our goals. This is not easy.
EnergyReturnWheel 1 month ago
How does it do with pot holes?
MrKouik 1 month ago
well.. you should make a test then....maybe on an old car...
3 meter earthmover ERW? :D
I don't think that's really necessary :)
simple earthmover wheels are more practical imho...
and what about very high speeds? 250 km/h +++
RollinKillin 1 month ago
@RollinKillin True, We can remove 30-50% of the large tire mass as we only need a thin elastic sidewall. The larger the ERW the better they lever. No more dangerous 9 bar tire pressures. Monster trucks will be set "free" from the heavy, slow responding tires of yester year. Also ERW is "high speed".
EnergyReturnWheel 1 month ago
@EnergyReturnWheel and what about winter and slippery conditions?
Earthmovers work under really tough conditions... I mean mud, etc...
RollinKillin 1 month ago
@RollinKillin Our firm flexable composite hoop is curved allowing for paddles off the curve IE smooth highway driving, paddles engage as ERW sinks into soft surfaces.
EnergyReturnWheel 1 month ago
Could the ERW wheel be used inside a typical pneumatic tire. This would help protect the inner ERW wheel from curbs and the millions of other objects that damage typical wheels... would think the ERW wheels would get beat up very quickly without 6 or so inches of sidewall that keeps the actual edge of the wheel 6 inches away from where the tread meets the road.
Crad746 1 month ago
@Crad746 Why bother? ERW composite hoops are very very tough IE 50,000 psi. thats 25 tons psi. and are protected by Kevlar bound nano rubber wedges. Compare to a 120 psi. tire burst event.?
EnergyReturnWheel 1 month ago
Doesn't one have to check àll the bolds in the wheel every morning before one can drive savely away?? Or are those crews and bolds just used in the prototype-wheel? If bolds get loose because of vibrations during the driving...
43painter 1 month ago
@43painter No bolts in newest protos.
EnergyReturnWheel 1 month ago
I live in Ukraine... Our city roads are like after bombing... people steal manhole's to sell them for scrap metal, if that wheel gets in the canalization hole, will it "survive"? :D
RollinKillin 1 month ago
@RollinKillin The curved composite hoop should match well with the curve of the missing man hole cover giving you a real chance of survival. It would be interesting to know what the optimal man hole escape velocity IE speed would be. Would it be cool to have non profit like road crews and volunteers to fill in pot holes to make life better for all? Small grants could go a long way. How about recycled plastic manhole covers not worth stealing?
EnergyReturnWheel 1 month ago
@EnergyReturnWheel well, the manhole cover is about 1 meter in diameter, coul'd it really "survive" the hit in at least 60 km/h?
Well, here in UA, nobody will work without any profit... The cast-iron caps were being installed since the Soviet Union... now I really sometimes see plastic manholes on roads... few years ago, the authority provided a ordinance, that any person who steals or buy's a manhole is subjected to criminal liability...
But even that doesn't stop people...bribes do their jobs
RollinKillin 1 month ago
@RollinKillin Nothing "car size" available today, that we know of, could survive what you propose. Quite the challange, we will have to consider such a daring event in the future. I just hope its not my car that goes first. Just a thought... we have been requested to build a 3 meter earth mover ERW that would do the trick. Would that be cheating?
EnergyReturnWheel 1 month ago
@rawimpact We would rather "burn out" ERW project IE finish up quickly than to fade away. Go Neil!
EnergyReturnWheel 1 month ago
this video is 4 years old but i haven't seen one of those tires on the street how much longer?
redsoxfan7111 1 month ago
this is not practical. too expensive, too much maintenance. braking and acceleration all goes to hell, this is steel so it will probably rust....... it's a good idea but our technology is too immature.
everythingman987 1 month ago
@everythingman987 actually scratch that. A GREAT BRILLIANT IDEA i am a fan of this concept but i don't think our technology in this day and age is advanced enough.
everythingman987 1 month ago
@everythingman987 We have been doing something about that. We have pioneered our own space age carbon nano tube carbon fiber, Kevlar and rubber applications. We now have linear fabric based traction systems.
EnergyReturnWheel 1 month ago
So I need to hole my Rims to put this on? Or I need a special Rims? When is a production?
xyperox 1 month ago
@xyperox We have a vacuum install in the works so no holes. However the strength of the ERW hoop will allow for "significant" hub weight reductions for max. performance. For now we can only bring bicycle to mkt..
EnergyReturnWheel 1 month ago
You know that saying, don't re-invent the wheel? DON'T! For this reason. I assume you've put time and effort into this to result to something we already have. "It's efficient", I'm guessing these will roll out at at least more than double the price for normal hubs/tyres? You'll spend that money on petrol/diesel/hydrogen(if they develop it)/Biofuels(which are becoming more and more popular).
TheEpicLew10ant 1 month ago
@TheEpicLew10ant No more flat tires on your bicycle, auto, heavy truck, buss, fire equipment or first responders. Fuel savings will matter even more in 10 yrs.. ERW works on all types, hybred, electric, hydrogen whatever. Check out our coastdown vid.
EnergyReturnWheel 1 month ago
Nice to see, that the brake compareision ist just an CGI animation. why is there no real break test?
dharkbizkit 1 month ago
test it on a pot hole!! a big regular size pot hole!!
Illsoundsproductions 1 month ago
hey it can do almost anything can it drift too bec. im a drift fan and drift myself too so cn you answer if it drifts ill buy those tires in the future
drifter11232 1 month ago
@drifter11232 We need a replaceable traction layer for you to "smoke". When you are done having fun you are not buying a set tires.... just a molded "on drift site" custom traction layer for your next trip.
EnergyReturnWheel 1 month ago
@rustlerboi1052 im with you on this the pros that are making gas saving cars would have dived on this if it was truly efficient ?
clinemichael 1 month ago
I can just imagine the road noise
princerappy 1 month ago 13
@princerappy Much less actualy.
Momo5775 1 month ago
@princerappy Without the avg. 2 lbs. of compressed air ERW cannot resonate like an inflated tire body. ERW "rolls" a footprint it does not "slap" a treadblock like pnu. IE the wack sound you hear while driving over metal bridges and other hard surfaces.
EnergyReturnWheel 1 month ago
@princerappy I think there may be the potential for less road noise if done properly, as provided they've designed the shocks adequately the outer rim may be fairly well decoupled from the inner rim which connects with the axles. I'll be interested to see if these gain any traction (BOOM BOOM) in the market and are professionally tested in Autosport etc.
christopherwoods 1 month ago
@christopherwoods We are working hard to provide a fully developed product. It may be a decade before ERW will be allowed but we are very confident that the efficiency gains are too great to be denied for long.
EnergyReturnWheel 1 month ago
@Bryanx89 The ERW you may purchase in the future could look the same as pnu. We have a sidewall.
EnergyReturnWheel 1 month ago
How will it make you stop faster? If tires PROPERLY infalated they have hire tire to ground ration so faster stopping. There is NO data ANYWHERE, the only thing that can explaint this is if tires are OVER inflated but then your information is corrupted.
KZWolf 1 month ago
@KZWolf ERW can wind up / return a % of screw force and meter it out IE a torque converter like effect. Our new pat pending tread system can almost suction cup to the surface in panic stops as lateral and medial wedges are forced into the surface.
EnergyReturnWheel 1 month ago
@EnergyReturnWheel Do you have practical application videos that show this data? I'd be interested to see. Thank you.
guate6 1 month ago
@KZWolf "no data anywhere" is exactly why there are inventors and experimentation...to produce new data.
guate6 1 month ago
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89jq 1 month ago
Didn't Michelin already do this?
BLANDOOOO 1 month ago
Are those tires street legal now?
alex32440 1 month ago
@alex32440 No, we continue to improve prototype to prototype. 3 new prototypes, 2 new patent filings in the last 90 days. We are combining the best of each. We hope 2012 will be our year.
EnergyReturnWheel 1 month ago
So how exactly it decrease the breaking way?
Bouregard3 2 months ago
@Bouregard3 The now upward curving composite hoop has a freedom of movement around the hub tied in place by drawn highly elastic membranes. Each membrane is drawn into a funnel like shape tapering/focusing to the hub. Lateral force displaces the hoop IE rolling at you you would see the hoop go from 12 to 1 "dial" clock. This action levers our "outrigger" Kevlar bound rubber wedges into the corner.
EnergyReturnWheel 1 month ago
@EnergyReturnWheel .... I'm not an inventor or have any expert knowledge but it makes sense to me how these wheels could improve effeciency... only a few issues I can see with regards to what happens when the side is impacted, either in an accident or when going into a deep pothole? rubber can take a certain amount of abuse that a solid material won't bounce back from.
tyseasun 1 month ago
This could be good and bad for the police industry, if you think about how they use spike strips to stop a vehicle.
Toahagax1337 2 months ago
what the weight? and whats max speed? and what the breaking point? whats max load? and whats the most G's that this tire can survive?
un7ucky 2 months ago
won't the ride comfort be rubbish? i mean no air and there is not alot of give in the wheel either? good idea and looks amazing but i still see some issues...
Baracus09 2 months ago
@Baracus09 Its better than you think. We use hoop flex, membrane vs membrane elongation for internal deformation, a more controled compression / rebound of traction layer. Together these systems modify impact and vibration more quickly than pnu. sidewall and treadblock. Internal hub / hoop displacement is anti bounce.
EnergyReturnWheel 2 months ago
Looks like burnouts are out of the question...
TheNoisePolluter 2 months ago
so no more big rims? 22's n up ?
nemessis225 2 months ago
@nemessis225 We have seen ERW anti gyro effects IE larger wheels may be in the future.
EnergyReturnWheel 2 months ago
Omg this is so unsafe and so useless. And fancy slogans are not going to make it work any better.
GedasN100 2 months ago
@GedasN100 Prototyping does. This animation was our auto starting point from 3 pats ago.
EnergyReturnWheel 2 months ago
@GedasN100 i disagree at one point going over 40km was dangerous to your health, and look were cars are now
un7ucky 2 months ago
how will the selling price compare to a normal rubber tire?
FlyingRustler 2 months ago
@FlyingRustler We hope less costly alternatives to carbon fiber and Kevlar will be on the ERW horizon.
EnergyReturnWheel 2 months ago
@EnergyReturnWheel Way to not answer the question....again
excelephant 2 months ago
@excelephant You have asked so many already....I am afraid we have lost track.
EnergyReturnWheel 2 months ago
Do does this cancel the effect of speed bumps?
Chunjongkay 2 months ago
@Chunjongkay No, the suspension system will still lift vehicle. Animation shows lock out of suspension system.
EnergyReturnWheel 2 months ago
@EnergyReturnWheel
Suspension will lift vehicle? What? What a bunch of bologna sausage!
Do you have any knowledge of suspension kinematics whatsoever? Come on man! You've got to be kidding me! Since your designing tires you must know about KPI, cornering stiffness, camber gain, and normal forces right? You are uneducated!
rustlerboi1052 1 month ago
@rustlerboi1052 Thank you for your valuable advice. Where would we be without you?
EnergyReturnWheel 1 month ago
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rustlerboi1052 1 month ago
@EnergyReturnWheel
Suspension is damped harmonic motion. Have you taken an entry-level physics course before? Instead of being ignorant, do you want to give me some answers?
Let me ask you one important question, and I want to see what your reply is.
How does the deflection of the "hoop" transferred into torque? Using fundamental engineering terms, please explain.
rustlerboi1052 1 month ago
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EnergyReturnWheel 1 month ago
@EnergyReturnWheel
Why did you order a report from outside the U.S?
Most of the equations make sense, while a few don't seem to really apply? Is that article even for the ERW? For the ERW I'm almost positive you'll need damping and spring rates.
Do you know any of the math yourself? Or are you just the guy with the dough and an idea?
rustlerboi1052 1 month ago
can we purchase?
marlo1204 2 months ago
well then, improve it to avoid buildup of dirt/snow
bammy07 2 months ago
i wanna set for a volvo s-70\
4godaddygo 2 months ago
how about sidewaypressure??
ikbenharm 2 months ago
What I want to see is these wheels on a race car, maybe F1 car and see how it handles, Will the pressure and intensity cause the wheel to fall apart? Test it please and prove it to us!
sakin81 2 months ago
1:30 so this wheel is meand to be comfy?
Instructinator 2 months ago
@Instructinator Erw is similar to the tire... air pressure increases/decreases is like more or less membrane elongation. Air pressure follows the path of least resistance, bulging sidewalls/bounce "loss" under pressure while ERW membranes path of least resistance draws forces to points"conserve"/ lever.
EnergyReturnWheel 2 months ago
@EnergyReturnWheel ok... i'm serious, i'm gifted, but i do not get anything of that
Instructinator 2 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@Instructinator "i'm serious, i'm gifted, but i do not get anything of that"
clearly gifted... lol
sean12ab34cd 2 months ago