Please Understand Me II: Temperament Character Intelligence [Closed Captioned]

[ieshivposter]

you mentioned that because "being in the clouds" is considered a compliment these days, thats why more people are scoring "N" than people scoring "S". So first of all, this clearly proves that this system works. You obviously think it's better to "be in the clouds" (N) while an S (like me) would think its better to be in a rut.

Second of all, people are not scoring N more than S, research shows that most of the world is SJ/SP (guardian/Artisan). So that was a false claim.

[TheFaustianMan]

@ieshivposter What a canard. Subjectivity does not make for a valid testing system me thinks. And lastly, I do not know what "reseach" you speak of but "most of the world" is both subjective and unscientific. Unless "most of the world" has taken this test. Whilst "Nearly a billion people will enter the 21st century unable to read a book or sign their names and two thirds of them are women."- Unicef c.1999

I find it highly unlikely- the above sited - bothered taking a MBTI test.

[TheFaustianMan]

@TheFaustianMan Furthermore, the concepts are clearly ethnocentric and would not be, in any way, related to the Sino-Tibetan family of languages. To assume these concepts and questions would apply to the Chinese and Indian would be as equally foolish.

[Ocelotte]

Your arguments are extremely interesting, especially how you bring up changing perspectives 50-60 yeas later and how they effect the way a person would view himself/herself, wanting to be cast in a favourable light by the terms of his/her current era. I think that the MBTI in many ways is valid, as long as one understands that a lot of the system revolves around generalizations and is not written in stone; rather it is a guideline or framework-- a starting point in exploring the self.

[TheFaustianMan]

@Ocelotte Thank you for stopping by.

[heartrocketblast]

Keirsey Temperament Theory distinguishes between temperament and character. Temperament is inborn, while character is something acquired externally. This can create a great deal of apparent, confusing differences between people while the essentials remain the same. Thus why an Artisan from the US would look completely different than an African Artisan. Yet the basic needs and values remain the same.

Dr. Keirsey's latest book is Personology. You should check it out.

[TheFaustianMan]

@heartrocketblast I most definitely will. I'll make a vid on my thoughts when I get to it. But, I must warn you, I am a notoriously slow reader (Dyslexic). 

[heartrocketblast]

I talk to Dr. Keirsey's son all the time and go to his message board. KTT =/= MBTI. Using individual variants to describe a person is completely opposed to KTT which views the whole as greater than the sum of its parts.

That being said, yes the Sorter DOES need to be updated... I've been talking about this for awhile now, but it's hard to get anything done on that.

And Keirsey builds upon temperament theory which has been established since ancient Greece. I think it still has relevance.

[TheFaustianMan]

@heartrocketblast It's good to know. Thanks so much for stopping by! I bet there is a HUGE market for a new book. I mean it's about time, and it would garner much support. Look how it has become rather infused with pop-psy.

[asopaso07]

Very good points there. I do agree that the western idea of personality is very individualistic and can exclude other cutures however, if you are from the West and if that book wasnt written too long ago, it can still be accurate. I know it has worked for me. For example the phone question. When I answered that, I knew to think of the house phone rather than my mobile and no, I never pick the house phone up. Even when I'm the only person in the room, I will just let it ring and stop. INTJ

[TheFaustianMan]

@asopaso07 Thanks for commenting. Glad it worked for you.

Just curious if you suffer from panic attacks, phobias, or high anxiety that and the preoccupation with your own death, the way INTJs seem to be prone to suffer form? Or if you have been diagnosed with ADD or ADHD?

[asopaso07]

Yes, I suffer from panic attacks. I am very very bad at handling emotions. Esp if they are somewhat stronger than usual, I will completly shut down.

I do often think of death but I am not afriad of it. I do sometimes think that sleeping is a waste of time cause I will sleep when I die. I think its a waste of time to stay in the toilet/bath too long. I feel like I am wasting my hours to live. I use to find it extremely hard to stop thinking. My thoughts were like someone of OCD. Is this common?

[TheFaustianMan]

@asopaso07 Well the panic attacks sound normal. What doesn't it your acceptance of death. INTJs have a terrible fear of death, that usually manifests itself in debilitating phobias. INTJs also handle emotion quite well. The "S" however have trouble with emotional stability, and no problem with death, suicidal thoughts, and suicide itself. The thinking part, is common for a "T". Sleep would normally not bother an "N" they are often seen as lazy or ADD. OCD would be too much work hahaha ;) Thanks.

[asopaso07]

@TheFaustianMan

I am scared of death but I don't dwell on it as much as you said. I don't think of it daily but there are moments when I lie down and REALLY think of death and that I will never ever see this world again, never read a book, listen to music.. and that makes me really anxious so I try to intellectise that fear by not wasting my time sleeping too much, toilet etc. I havnt ever felt suicidal; no matter how bad things are. I also count the amount of sleep I get all the time.

[TheFaustianMan]

@asopaso07 Hahaha! I like how you rationalize the fear of death. It's good you haven't felt suicidal. Hmm...it sounds like you have some very interesting habits. Thanks again for replying.

[asopaso07]

@TheFaustianMan

Its the only way I can deal with my emotions. lol

People often mistake INTJs to be cold and reserved but really I we arnt.

Haha no problem!

[Persephoneia01]

With the home phone I'll wait for some one else to answer it. With a cell phone, I tend to just ignore it and make a note to call back later (which I never do). I also think having your heads in the clouds is still an insult. I'm an INTJ. I've also noticed that MANY ISTPs originally get typed as INTJs. I've had a friend that got an INTP result when she was clearly an ESFx. I think people tend to answer questions as how they want to act opposed to how they actually are.

[beandaddyo]

I still think "having your head in the clouds" is mostly an insult... maybe just becuase I get that alot XD The phone thing is not quite outdated. When it says "wait for someone else to answer it" that clearly tells me that it's the housephone, not my cell phone, though yes, that will be outdated soon. I am an INTJ and yes we have the coolest name, lolmaorotflcopterbbq.

[TheFaustianMan]

Thanks for your insight. Cheers!

[RafaelEnvoy]

I agree on that. Although that's not to say I'm too happy with the test. The questions are mostrly too concrete, they need to be more abstract so people can relate more conceptually and not to worry too much about the mentioned cultural switches. Of course that'd rather be better for N's than for S's. Maybe, the generalization/specialization of the questions itself could be factored in a new test. Anyways, I'll leave my personality type for reference as well: I'm an INTP (there goes another N..)

[TheFaustianMan]

Aloha!

I agree with what you point out. Very good insight. There must be a way to help out the iNtuitives without, necessarily, handicapping the Sensories. Anyway, excellent point!

Check out the OCEAN test sometime, I am curious to know what you think.

Aloha! (again)

[icugoldengirl]

Thanks for your insight. I had to take the personality exam for my graduate work in organizational leadership. I am an ISFJ. i kinda think it applies, but you are right, this needs to come into " modern age"

[TheFaustianMan]

You're welcome. Talk about synchronicity! I just took a new type of personality test a few minutes ago. It's called the OCEAN personality test, and you can google it to find it online. Some of the questions were ambiguous, but it was somewhat insightful. If you take it, let me know what you think.

[mbturner625]

The problem with the OCEAN test and other assessments is that they are completely face-valid; completely unambiguous. The less face valid the test the better the results. Basically it asks you right out: "are you introverted or extroverted?" and then the end result of the test is "guess what, exactlly how you answered!"

[phinny5608]

The tests seem to get it wrong all the time, so I prefer to get to the real issue and just figure out the person's 4 letters (in my case INFP). And people guessing tend to get it wrong a lot too. I've heard people getting typed as one thing because, I suppose, the person doing the typing PREFERED that they were that type. Then they turned out to be something else. Like, some people seem to prefer typing people as NF's or NT's because I guess it's seen as cooler than being an SJ for example.

[TheFaustianMan]

Very true. I took a look at your profile. You seem to be, as far as I can tell, a Rational. So congratulations for typing yourself correctly. It's nice to see there is someone out there who gets "it".