Homoeopathy works for me and my farm animals! 24.3.11.wmv

[andersandersson000]

Only stupid persons belive in homeopathy

[lajakl]

Homeopathy works for me! After moving past evolutionists they completely killed my faith in humanity!

[Glowbo6]

Oliver, a wonderful straight speaking video, thank you for all that you do to protect our rights to homeopathy, you are an inspiration.

[den151redbank]

Glad to see this on extraordinary medicine!

[den151redbank]

"The cure rate after 4 and 8 weeks was similar between homeopathy and anti-biotics but the difference between the homeopathic treatment and placebo treatment at day 56 was significant."

PubMed: PMID: 20822562

Clinical experience like Oliver's (now backed by research) shows homeopathy works to maintain healthier cows and provide organic milk -- good work, Oliver!

[den151redbank]

In short, this is an EU-funded research project that found homeopathy protects cows against potential udder infection. "A randomized controlled trial to compare the use of homeopathy and internal teat sealers for the prevention of mastitis in organically farmed dairy cows"

Klocke, et al., Homeopathy, 2010, 99:90-98

Homeopathic treatment found just as effective as anti-biotics and more effective than placebo in treating mastitis in dairy cows:

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[SlippDigby]

@den151redbank When I read the Klocke, et al paper it says "It MAY be an effective alternative to Teat Sealing, particularly in animals with relatively low SCCs. Further research is required to CONFIRM these results, and under different environmental conditions". And its not a PEER REVIEWED paper, its from "Homeopathy". Your ability to misrepresent even basic science suggests that its not a lack of comprehension but an active will to deceive. Olivers work is NOT clinical trials, its anecdotes.

[SlippDigby]

The conclusions of "Comparison of homeopathy, placebo and antibiotic treatment of clinical mastitis in dairy cows - methodological issues and results from a randomized-clinical trial" are that in the test group studied, mastitis was self limiting and neither homeopathy OR antibiotics has a significant effect beyond the placebo/control group.

This is EVIDENCE - a trial with proper controls to eliminate experimental bias.

[den151redbank]

@SlippDigby

If all cases of mastitis were self-limiting and/or sub-acute, passing without creating disease and discomfort and without negatively affecting milk flow or the animal's udder, the Merck Veterinary Manual would not be recommending the use of glucocorticoids now, would it?

[SlippDigby]

@den151redbank in case you are struggling to read "IN THE TEST GROUP STUDIED" homeopathy didn't work, and neither did antibiotics over the control group. Go read the paper, comprehend return here and debate. Its normal to conduct a study like this to see if a further larger study is justified - it wasn't as no effectg was observed. I have asked for evidence that homeopathy works. I am still waiting to see something other than well meaning, albiet misguided anecdotes.

[SlippDigby]

For the result of a randomised trial on mastitis in dairy cows:-

J Vet Med A Physiol Pathol Clin Med. 2004 Dec;51(9-10):439-46.

Comparison of homeopathy, placebo and antibiotic treatment of clinical mastitis in dairy cows - methodological issues and results from a randomized-clinical trial.

Hektoen L, Larsen S, Odegaard SA, Løken T.

Department of Production Animal Clinical Sciences, Norwegian School of Veterinary Science, Pb. 8146 Dep., 0033 Oslo, Norway. lisbeth.hektoen@veths.no

[sillyben07]

Unfortunately the western world being what it is, nothing exists unless scientists say it does. And scientists wont say it does as there is very little money in it. And the science is not fully understood at an atomic level. But then again penicillin wasn't scientifically understood when it was discovered that doesn't mean it didn't work it just means it hasn't been understood. As for calling Homeopathy unscientific, Homeopathy introduced the basis of what is modern scientific experimentation!

[zarbian1]

Thank you for sharing! What lucky cows!!

[oliverhad]

"in most cases" is wrong. Visit your local hospital, or doctors, and ask them to leave their female patients with mastitis untreated as you believe it to be "self-limiting". Don't forget to leave your name and address.

Same with cattle. No treatment = pain and misery, milk production stops, with death likely. Plus, correctly, charges of animal cruelty etc. In 15 years our animals never suffered that outcome, as our veterinary surgeons would testify. Quite sufficient evidence for most people.

[SlippDigby]

@oliverhad it has nothing to do with female patients, why change the subject - I though we were talking about cows? I would never tell a doctor how to treat a patient, I'm not qualified to do that. Afraid these anecdotes are nowhere near enough evidence to accept homeopathy works. Would you accept anecdotal evidence for a conventional medicine, just based somones (however well meaning) word? Now lets have the references to the well controlled trials which have shown that this works effectively.

[oliverhad]

@SlippDigby It has everything to do with female patients, given that women and cows both biologically undertake same function.

I'm sorry that what you consider to be anecdotes are considered by others to be evidence. Others including many professional veterinarians all over the world. These professionals fully understand the efficacy of the homoeopathic treatments they have administered to hundreds of thousands of animals, probably millions if we're talking globally. That's fact, not anecdotal

[SlippDigby]

@oliverhad Really? Come on, you really dont expect that assertion about female patients to fly do you? And no I don't consider anecdote to be evidence. Again third time of asking - where is the REAL evidence? - trials, controlled experiments? Lets discuss them here in detail. The 'homeopathy is popular so must work argument' isn't very convincing - you say 'millions' of animals treated with 'known efficacy' and yet you can't produce one well controlled study which shows homeopathy works. Meh.

[Bandershot]

@SlippDigby Men have been hung on anecdotal evience, in fact most if not all are. When's the last time you heard of testimony in a murder trial being thrown out because it wasn't frist pub'd in a peer reviewed law journal? And what makes you think there's no peer reviewed evidence for homeopathy? You're problem is you have to prove a negative. If you were so positive you'd take it to court. No, what's happening is there's a little bug in your head that says "try it, what have we got to lose?"

[SlippDigby]

@Bandershot Erm, no. Anecdotes are not data, and the process of good experimental design and peer reviewing is vital to ensure any evidence is robust. I don't have to prove a negative, or anything in fact. I'm not the one making fantastical claims without evidence. The burden of proof is on those making claims which defy fundamental laws of science. Give me one robust double blind well conducted study. Evidence or GTFO.........

[SlippDigby]

Plenty of good quaility research papers show that if your cow has sub-acute mastitis it's a self-limiting illness in most cases. Neither antibiotics or homeopathy will make any difference.

Do you have any good quaility trials which show its effectiveness?

[biffnchip]

Great video oliver. You cows are lucky to have such a compassionate and caring farmer in charge.

[ebrynin]

Such an interesting video. You're so right. Cows would never know that two or three drops of medicine in their water was meant to cure their mastitis. but it does! Amazing!

[homeofriend]

Thank you Oliver, good old cows indeed, and so lucky. Wonderful, although not surprising, for we know that they don't you to know that homeopathy works.

[wfalconerdvm]

Brilliant, and bravo for you taking on this art and science for the betterment of your cattle! You are correct: animals do not show placebo responses. They either get well or continue to be sick. When the remedy is correct, the animal drops the illness and moves on, fully healthy. You can't imagine you saw that!

[paltmann]

Wonderful, your lucky cows! Thanks for sharing here.

[XCherryLouiseX]

This is an excellent, no nonsense video. Thank you so much for taking the time to educate. 

[stevescrutton]

The use of homeopathy with animals shows that the conventional medical establishment is just plain wrong when it says that homeopathy is just placebo. Thanks, Oliver, for this video; and the benefit of your experience.

[den151redbank]

Wonderful video! Three cheers and thank you!

I enjoyed so much hearing your experiences using homeopathy with your animals -- a real pleasure for me to hear, and, I'm sure, for your animals to experience.

I've often used homeopathy with my pack of squirrels. A nasty mammary condition, a case of boils, infected paws, itchy flea bites----all easily and quickly resolved with much less suffering than could have been expected and all to their great relief.