The Beast of Revelation (16 of 25) Anti-Israel Anti-Semitic?

[lordrothchild21]

to conclude is that the people in lsreal are not jews but just israelis. Most of the Isrealis are german and russian and polish.

[socooljr0258]

I am not an anti semitic. About what you spoke, I'd like an explanation of why does revelation have no connection with anti semitic. The bible is pretty clear. Jesus said "I am the only light, and truth". Jews and Christian if they live a holy life, no lying, no adulterine, no sin. They will be raptured, right? But Christians today are nothing more than stump of a dead tree. They don't really know the true meaning of "Church". Please explain this in your new video.

[tmhightower2]

Israel not Islam did 911 Rediscover911 com

[HaveUconsidered]

pt 2

To say that Dispy's might cause the end of the world (age) by some kind of "self-fulfilling prophecy" is frankly absurd and silly. If you believe that, then as Packer would say: "Your God is too small".

I grew up in a dispensational chrch and am now attending a reformed church with a partial-preterist Pastor and frankly, I do not sense at all that reformers have any different attitude or success when it comes to Christian witness and a victorious attitude.

"I can do all things..."

[jcr4runner]

Not working for the reformation of society can cause the world to become more hellish.

I don't hold that inaction can cause the end of the world. But we are responsible for our inaction.

For instance, if I think the world is going to get worse and worse before the Antichrist comes, I might o nothing to stop abortion from being legal because "that is supposed to happen before the end."

I have a hard time seeing what you are arguing for or against here.

[HaveUconsidered]

I'm am not "argueing" for anything but simply responding intitially to the inaccurate charge in the video (see below) and then to your response.

Your latest response contains a false presupposition: that Dispensationalists don't work for the reformation of society-- What is your proof for this? I would be willing to bet that we have as many dispy's in hospitals, universities, government, law, etc as we do people from the reform camp The same holds true for missions, shelters, seminaries, etc.

[HaveUconsidered]

So the charge of inaction is frankly unfounded.

That's a similiar charge that Calvinists receive about "not having a strong desire to witness because of election".

It's just not true.

[HaveUconsidered]

My response to JC$RUNNER's statement about dispy's "calling for" Jews to be slaughtered:

But "expecting something" based on what appears to be clear prophetic statements in the bible and "calling for it" are not one and the same.

Just because your are "expecting" the unbelievers will go to hell, does that now assume your "calling for them" to go to hell?

Not at all. Again, dispy's say that an even higher % of Gentiles will perish then Jews.

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[HaveUconsidered]

Hey JC$runner.

Didn't see your comment here so I'll post it below and then give you a response. You said:

Not calling for it, but you expect it to happen.

There is such a thing as a self-fulfilling prophecy.

If you think the whole world is going to hell in a hand-basket, you won't do much to try to improve it except save souls out of it.

And the world becomes more hellish.

Whenever Christians have acted like we expect victory, we always achieve victory.

[HaveUconsidered]

This angers me. This is why I have boycotted Hannegraff.

To say that dispensationalists are "CALLING FOR" the destruction of Israel is frankly reckless and Gentry should know better.

Dipensationalists like pretarists are just interpreting what they perceive THE BIBLE TO BE SAYING, not what they are personally "calling for" themselves.

It is shameful to hear another Christian brother make this charge. Both sides should stand down on this issue.

desparate and sad

[HaveUconsidered]

It's interesting how Gentry talks about how grevious it is to be charged with being an anti-semite and then turns right around and puts that label on dispensationalists. I heard Hank Hannegraff do the same thing.

What of course Ken and Hank leave out is that even though the dispensational view does say that 2/3 of the Jews will be wiped out, it also says that 3/4 OF THE GENTILES WILL ALSO BE WIPED OUT.

Hardly an ant-semite view.

lame charge coming from the reform (preterist) camp.

[UDSS]

Jews, Christians, Muslims all of the same kind.

Religion is poison, that is what I believe.

[jeremylamar]

so why read Revelation if it has no relevance to believers today?

[jcr4runner]

Fulfilled prophecy is proof of the divine and supernatural inspiration of scripture.

Occ ult prophecy is wrong 90 percent of the time. Bibilcal prophecy is always right.

The preterist viewpoint looks at the obvious: specific predictions were made and were fulfilled.

It's amazing that a Christian can say that fulfilled prophecy "has no relevance."

[KarenZandstra]

If Jesus was a jew, why did the diciples marvel at Him talking to a Samaritan women??

The Samaritan woman therefore said to him, "How is it that you, being a Jew, ask for a drink from me, a Samaritan woman?" (For Jews have no dealings with Samaritans.)

Jesus answered her, "If you knew the gift of God, and who it is who says to you, 'Give me a drink,' you would have asked him, and he would have given you living water."

Jesus never corrected her. He is also from the tribe of Judah Judah = Jew

[melbourneopera]

Lol, who preach the new testament anyway, All writers except luke are all jews, even jesus himself......

Anti-semiticism is evil ideology....

[matrxmax]

Yea, but it devastates the major pillar of political support for the nation of Israel. Your eschatology mean the end of this support, they will fight this Preterist theology tooth and nail attempting to discredit you.

[thyman01]

Yes,I agree with you...The Israelis will indeed fight the preterists!

[hawklanzs]

Islam calls for the persecution of Jews.

[KnowWhatIsTrue]

I was a dispy for 18 years -THEN I READ MY BIBLE - COVER TO COVER - Beginning to end -Anyonee who does so will realize the HISTORIC appoach is the proper understanding - BTW EVERYONE is a preterist for the most part - most believe that Jesus fulfilled most of the prophecies in the past at His first comming. - The "anti semitism slander is only used because dispies have no scripture to stand on. Btw parts of REVelation are still being fullfilled up to this day. It did not ALL happen in 70 AD

[thyman01]

You were a dispy? Im a dispy but Im starting to have doubts...can you recommend any websites that are preterist?

[jcr4runner]

Jesus was of the tribe of Judah.

Judah = Jew.

[Saiaton]

Christianity began 'anti-semitic'. It was one of many sects opposed to and by the Temple establishment. It blamed 'Jews' for the crucifixion and exonerated Pilate, a governor recalled to answer for his misgovernment. Jesus came from Galilee, not Judea. In Greek and Latin 'Judean' and 'Jew' are the same word, like 'English' usually means 'British' outside of the UK. Christians then stood to Jews like Protestants to Catholics in Ireland.

[jcr4runner]

Christians were pro-Semitic if Jews would convert; but condemned those who rejected their Messiah. If you are going to lay this charge, we might as well say that Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel and all the prophets were anti-Semitic too.

[8Thirst]

nice question... lol.. You can drive tanks thru the holes in this guys theory. Yea.. Isreal is back? I dont totaly agree with him on the mark of the beast thing. It definetly has to affect your buying and selling ability however, but it has to be a concious choice i think its not gonna be something like your ssi number. Well i hope not cause mine has 3 6s in sequence. Anyway, The waters under the beast were symbolic for people and says so. Not Going over from rome to israel.

[jcr4runner]

Many people = The Roman Empire,

The reason why "waters" in the Hebrew mind is symbolic of the Gentile nations is that they were situated on the Mediterranean and most of these people were thought of as coming from across the sea.

[axa4120]

I'm anti-israeli 100 % , but not anti-semitic . I'm against the zionism 100% , but not anti-semetic. The israeli gov. & AIPAC just like to use anti-semitism as an excuse for their crimes against humanity

[2jimmyj]

You must believe that the Old Testament prophecies have been fulfilled. However you mentioned that John was to measure the temple in Rev. 11, notice the outer court was to be left out. The outer court was present at the time John gave that prophecy. Rev. 21:15-16 John is again to measure the city which comes out to be 1500 miles square.

[OzHareef]

the State of Israel created by the UN is not the restoration of the nation of Israel by YHWH. This "restoration" is prophesied as a Yerushalem being overrun with goyim.

[vampirehunter33]

they will be rebuilding the third temple soon . The bible clearly states the antichrist will set in it . and yes they have started up animal sacrifices in Israel . I've watched them sacrifice lambs . This guys theories in this video have a hole in them the size of the grand canyon . makes me question who you are . your trying to purposely cause people to take the mark when it comes and miss the second coming i think your an antichrist you take the bible for a grain of salt and have no faith

[firebirdhome]

I followed your ideology for over 20 years. In depth study and facing the blatant contradictions will cause any wise person to question. Research Darby, and how this whole view you hold began with an ill 14 year old girl who claimed to have visions. That view is her legacy.

[noilleberrebellion]

the hole in this theory is the size of Israel!

[lazysleeper6]

thats true

[gypsygypsy101]

The guy in the clip seems to genuine & seemingly not an enemy of Jews of today.

But as a Jew, there are many things we disagree (respectfuly) about religion, God & Spirituality.

[firebirdhome]

As a Christian to be anti-semetic would burst with stupidity since we believe our very Saviour was Jewish. I agree that the Jewish nation is entitled to her peace. Prophetic or not. Further, a Christians' view is that no human can approach God by any means unless designed by God only. That to us is the Good News, God reconciled the world to Himself by Christ. The work was done for us, now to believe as the Hebrews believed upon the serpent on Moses' staff. Anything else is just useless.

[robtuk31]

The whore sits on a city of seven hills. Israel doesnt have a city of seven hills only Mecca and Vatican City. You can fool some people but not others. Israel is not a beast power, the USA and Europe are with the harlot (Vatican) riding them.

[mrpeowpeow]

wow christians are so lied to. israel are those who put on christ from all nations. most still are caught up in babylonian churches

[Bogzy1989]

Roman Catholic Church is the Whore of Babylon.

Israel is the Nation of God.

Antisemitism is wrong.

[ThornUvDaath777]

John Hagee is that you?

[zappaelcrappa]

Oh no the antisemitic card shesh.Dr i guess you must get this alot esp when your information is right on the money!

[bulovawatches]

False teaching. OT prophets said what they siad. No need for reinterpretation. Sacrifices still existed in the book of Acts, most likely until the Temple destruction. Paul sacrificed in ACts 21 as part of a Nazarite vow. Sacrifices were still done by the early church but they had not atoning basis for them. Not all sacrifices were atoning anyways. So most of what he says is false.

[jcr4runner]

How do you interpret the book of Hebrews to mean that God wants or requires the animal sacrifices to be restored?

[bulovawatches]

Why do you pin Hebrews over the prophets. This a cohesive whole to all of it. Melchizedek priesthood is superior to Aaronic, of course. But the Ot prophets didn't prophesy symbolic things, but actual things. Even Paul tells us that the AntiChrist will sit in the "Temple of God". Not the Temple, but "Temple of God" and Jesus tells us that there will be the "abomination of desolation". Impossible without a reinstitution. Dr. Randall Price gives a good explanation of it in his books.

[firebirdhome]

You are reading something not there. The sacrifice was NOT performed, and if you read 21:25 just above it, the instructions to the Gentiles excluded the entire OT sacrifice system! Hence we can assume that Paul would have forbidden a sacrifice and used it as an opportunity to speak. From 33-70AD was a Jewish repentance opportunity time frame. Even Paul purifying himself was BOTH not bad but not useful spiritually either, but it meant to "the Jew I became a Jew".

[sugarhitman]

Jerusalem becomes the great whore when she becomes the international city, capital of the anti christ who is called 'the coming prince of the people who destroys the temple' (prince of the Romans europeans) Daniel, the 'chief prince' Ezekiel, the 'destroyer of the gentiles' Jeremiah, etc. i.e. A GENTILE. the beast is to rule 42 months, Jerusalem is to treaded by the gentiles 42 months see the connections? the great whore is gentile controled Jerusalem not jewish Jerusalem.

[TreyDubzz]

So when the Temple begins construction how will you account for this scripturally? Why do you clain there is no significance to Isreal being born as a nation again? Why is God sustaining Isreal in light of all the nations being against her? How do you explain the Russian/Iranian alliance against Isreal today? What time or era are we living in now according to the preterist view? What Significance is the Revelation to anyone now? What how do the last 3 Feasts of the Lord get fulfilled?

[crackflick98]

So then how is Jesus going to come back then? and what events will be signs of this, the Nero thing does make sense but i'm still not sure if i believe it or not, i'm just not for sure, i'm so confused now....

[workingclasstheist]

First you have to read the scriptures without any presuppositions.

[varoshah]

regarding the sacrifices,

how do you explain the prophetic passages in Daniel...chapter 12

[jcr4runner]

I wrote a short e-book on Daniel. I'll post it to you privately, but anyone can go to the FORERUNNER website and look at those articles.

[Zarabbas]

How can anti-semitism be a part of Christian interpretation since salvation includes the Jews and everyone else in humanity? The interpretations may seem harsh but really they conflict with the ideologies of modern day society. Anti-Semitism is not relevant to what is written in the New Testament. The Apostle Paul even reminds gentiles that just like grafting a differing branch on a tree, how much easier will it be to graft a branch from the same type of tree? (a reference about Jews)

[jcr4runner]

Not new. It's based on the writings of some authors such as F.W. Farrar that are from the 19th century. The view was held by a minority of Protestants and some Roman Catholics prior to that.

[MikeGram101]

i told everyone i WAS NOT anti semetic...and i am not...very good video!

[mikeandmitch]

Good presentation. Thanks.