Apostolic Preaching- Jeff Arnold- My Cup Runneth Over- Part 3

[tmantheman238]

The only reason why Jesus spoke in this manner was to keep people from trying to kill him before his time and because if he were to come right out and claim his is God, people wouldn't have listened to a word he said. The three that bear record are the Father, the Word, adn the Holy Ghost and these three are one. The NT deems Jesus God in Creation, the Son in Redemption, and the Holy Ghost in regeneration. The key is to let scripture interpret scripture and not use the philosphies of men.

[tmantheman238]

And to say that they are co-equal is constantly negated by the instances of Jesus seemingly submiting to the Father and saying that he will send the Holy Ghost from the Father. This eludes to some type of submission to authority. Unless you admit that God is one and that Jesus is the full embodiment of God in the form of a Man.

[tmantheman238]

“In the being was th Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God.” “[Jesus]Who is the image of the invisible God. . . For by him were all things created.” If one looks at the instances in the Gospels when Jesus says out right that he is God, albeit cryptic, they try to kill him. To say that God extist as 3 separate but co-equal parts to a whole is like saying we exist in the same. After all we are created in his image. However, Jesus IS his image.

[tmantheman238]

It is pretty much given that most Christians admit that Christ was God incarnate; however, not all admit to him being God in God’s entirety. “For in him dwelleth all fullness of the Godhead bodily.” Col 2:9. Doubting Thomas said, “My Lord and my God.” Jn 20:28 “I am my Father are ONE.” “And He that seeth me seeth him that sent me.” “Before Abraham was, I am.”

[MrHellowwww1]

I am saved and believe in Jesus.

After a review of Oneness, how can it be true? Jesus said in Matthew 27:46

46 About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eli, Eli,[c] lema sabachthani?” (which means “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”).[d]

Since Jesus words are true, the Father had left Jesus.

If Jesus Flesh was speaking, Jesus Flesh would not be God and could not pay for our sins. It is just image of God, but that is not God. In summary, Oneness is false.

[sirallure]

@MrHellowwww1 that's were revelation comes to play, pray and fast for the answer. There was the Man Christ Jesus, and there was the Divinity of Jesus...figure it out from there

[MrHellowwww1]

@sirallure Oneness makes Jesus words false. It is your choice. What did call Jesus at birth? Did Jesus transfigure himself? Jesus said I am which is a name of God in Judaism meaning self existing in Hebrew. Who did Adam, Enoch, Moses, and Isaiah have contact with? In Matthew 28:19 Jesus said in the name of Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, so the name of God and how Jesus define God are two different topics.

[sirallure]

@MrHellowwww1 Father, Son and Holy Ghost, what are the names of each one....he said NAME not Names. By the message you sent...there is not one time where the word trinity is mentioned in the bible. please we cannot be reading the same bible. God said himself Hear O' Israel the Lord our God is one God Deut 6:4 ..

Gospel of John....In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was God and the Word was with God, read down in the same chapter....And the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us.

[MrHellowwww1]

@sirallure Jesus said in Matthew 28:19 "in the name of Father, Son and Holy Ghost". God is an unique one not a simple one. Since Jesus could have me for Matthew 28:19, then the name of God and how God is defined are two topics not one.

[MrHellowwww1]

@sirallure Do you know the Shema has 3 names for God in the first verse in Hebrew? Do you know the Shema has 3 parts? Do you know the Jewish people/Rabbi pray with the Shema with 3 fingers making the Hebrew character Shin? Do you know the 2nd principle of Judaism is "God of unparallel unity" which basis on D6:4? Unity is complex one. The Hebrew Echad or one is used D6:4 and where Adam and Eve became (Echad) one flesh. The one could be complex one.or simple. God put three 3 in the Shema. Why?

[MrHellowwww1]

@sirallure Please watch the Jews for Jesus video I sent you. The trend of the Bible is not Oneness. God is a unique one not limited by place time, our mind or words. He designed the Bible, so the question is why did put these facts in there. He is not God of confusion.

[MrHellowwww1]

@sirallure We are reading the same Bible. It is how you are choosing to understand the Bible that separates us. The issue is how Oneness defines one. Google a four dimensional object. You find lots of these images which are just one object. Is not God greater than his creation?

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[MrHellowwww1]

@sirallure Does your family have one last name? Jesus said in M 28:19 in the name of Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. Jesus could have my name, but he did not. Since Jesus are true, then the name of God and how are God is defined by Jesus are two topics. Does the Shema or D 6:4 have three names for God in the verse? Does the Shema have three parts? Do the Rabbi/Jewish people pray the Shema with three fingers making the Hebrew character shin? Are any facts God put in the Bible irrelevant?

[MrHellowwww1]

@sirallure Why would God put three 3 in the Shema if he was not trying to communicate some fact about himself?

[sirallure]

@MrHellowwww1 okay but logically that makes no sense, I am a friend, brother, son. but they aren't my name they are titles. That scripture is how they should baptize don't blow it out of context. Look what God said in Isaiah 43:11 pure and simple.

[MrHellowwww1]

@sirallure We agree Jesus is our savior. Oneness is the issue. Jesus was called Emmanuel or God with us. Jesus said I am which is a name of God in Judaism meaning self existing in Hebrew. Jesus is God. Jesus said in John 6:46 No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father. Jesus said in Mark 13:32 “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. Since Jesus words are true, how can Oneness be true?

[MrHellowwww1]

@sirallure Since Jesus is God and John 6:46 is true, then there must be more to God than what you see. Since Jesus said the Father knows and not the Son, then there must be a Father. How do you keep these statements true with Oneness? I am not understanding how Oneness can be true. Oneness seems false. God said he was an unique one not a simple. T

[MrHellowwww1]

@sirallure cont from...I am son, brother, and friend. If I make a false statement, the son, the brother, and friend all make a false statement. A review Jesus said in Mark 13:32 “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. Jesus is the Son, and the Son is God. How is Oneness true?

[knightlax]

@MrHellowwww1 The answer to "How is Oneness true?" in reference to you question of Jesus' knowledge is defined within the doctrine itself and explains why. Jesus Christ was God manifested in flesh. He was both God and man. In his humanity, his knowledge was limited, just like a man can't know everything. But being the image of the infinite, omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent Jehovah Himself, He was able to know all things at His choosing.

[MrHellowwww1]

@knightlax Jesus was God in flesh. The flesh is dead without a spirit, so again Jesus said God had forsaken him. Jesus said God left him, and Jesus said "I am" in the Gospels which is a name of God in Judaism meaning self existing in Hebrew. Jesus know God left him, and Jesus is still God with God who left him. As it is written. Jesus words are true. I can not see how Oneness can be true.

[MrHellowwww1]

@MrHellowwww1 I could add more

[joshfranks5]

this is such awesome msg from bro Arnold , ok between 7:48-7:55 i listen to it about 3 or 4 times but i don,t understand what he is saying , it makes feel uneasy sounds like he is tell the crowd, you don't have the power to cast out devil,s any way ways what do i care , that,s not what my Bible says , Mark 16 17 ok this is apostolic pentecostal event so im sure 80 % of the people there have the Holy Ghost , so why would He tell them thy can,t cast out devil,s when The Bible Says thy can ,TAGB

[NicholasAaron92]

@joshfranks5 Bro. Arnold does say that "you can't cast out devils (in part 4 not 3). HE IS RIGHT! We can't but GOD can! We dont have the power to do it. It is God who has the power. I just wanted to clear that up..

[holyroller1616]

@getrealthen YHWY is also know as YAHWEY, it's the hebbrew form.

[MrHellowwww1]

@holyroller1616 hebrew4christian There is no w sound in Hebrew. It should be v.

[tsehi77]

unu can have that 2 if u want..Jesus is for everybody. :)

[tsehi77]

UU2 all sojourner, UPC preached from the Word of God and they live it. Acts 2:1-4 AnAnd when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind,and it filled all the house where they were sitting.And there appeared unto them cloven tongues lilke as of fire,and it sat upon each of them.And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost. ............UPC are not just pentecostals by name But by experience

[SmallSojourner]

Was Christianity really the faith that the apostles and early believers practiced? I know the UPC says they are the originals- teaching from the book of Acts. If they are, then why do NOT they preach the SAME things as the Apostles, and practice the same things as the early believing assembly? Read more at 1shepherd1flock dott webs dott comm

[RonnaLee100]

@SmallSojourner

Well, they should preach what God called Paul to teach. God called Paul to build "the" "church", the one and only. I agree, who cares about sipping a cup, "some of us pentecostals" I quote this man said....so is his words just for "the pentecostals"?

Some of his generals are really good, especially the one about some need to go back to their last victory, that they might start a honey comb, that is is real good.

Crap is an evil nonChristian word, very low class.

[SmallSojourner]

-Paul was not a Christian, and he did not attend sunday'church' We need to go back to the original Scriptures, & see how the original believers lived, apart from the man made teachings that were brought in starting with Constantine and the R.Catholic church. The 'church' is NOT the bride of YHWH, and nowhere in Scripture does a church have a covenant with YHwH. If u want to be a part of YHWH's people, you must obey Scriptures alone. I will send u more info..write me.

[getrealthen]

@SmallSojourner

What do you mean by YHWH. Yes, send me more information. I will should you scripture where and how God called Paul to establish the Church. Yes, please send me more info. I think I know what you mean by the original scriptures, but MOST to not have the original scriptures.

[getrealthen]

@SmallSojourner

"Obedience is praised if it fits traditional norms, but condemned if it fits Scriptural instructions"

I am not award of any Theologian that addresses this as such. Direct me to a site that you access. I need to understand this. I see what you are telling me.

I see what you are saying. I have misrepresented the Word, and certainly in the name of Education, and I am sorry, and apologize to those here today.

[Avil51]

wow how do you get this DVD?

[moneygreen3]

Good Preaching

[postrero228]

2:30 The living dead! hilarious!!!

[Truthorfable]

the cup runs over with living water with springs for Jesus Christ's Spirit into our lives.. Amen brother preach it

[vaughnaiono]

what was the scripture in proverbs that jeff referred to in part 1?