BBC Coverage of Winter Soldier

[Reptile0000]

This video is a perfect example how Credible BBC is when it comes up to reporting facts. Totally one sided? No 90% pro war (as they called it positive side) and 10% neutral and that's what makes BBC better than CNN and Fox. It's time for British public to stop being dumb and start looking into the facts. But would they(we) will say we are murders. I know its burden (of reality) is something which general public isn't ready to accept. But does it change what truth is? No

[vinegaroon1]

Are you sure? They are torturing Bradley Manning with sleep and exercise denial, refusal to let him see his family and lawyers and refusing to file charges against him. Of course the Writ of Habeas Corpus and the US Constitution have been ditched, and the US legal system is turning a blind eye to the emerging police state.

[brian8793]

Wow, if you sign up for the ARMY, you can actually get hurt? GO FIGURE! Holy Shit!

All of these soldiers that bitch about the war should give back their hazard pay. Start by doing that and you might have an audience other than dumb-fuck hippies...

[Master7770]

@doomheart2001 being 21 makes you doubt his service? You do know you can enter the US armed forces at 17 if your parents sign for you right? Alot of the kids that have died so far have been 18 years old.

[polygamous1]

support the troops like the WW2 guys for their bravery in omaga beach n the pacific SURE its a very different ssituation now in iraq n agfanistan us troops are Not fighting well equipt n train army for freedom they are fighting unarmwed civilians for oil control n power for america's elite the two situations r like day n night

[cardiffboy]

FUCK THE Bullshit Bastard Cunts-aka The B.B.C.

[polygamous1]

haha long live the BS zionist us news media gogle who owns all mainstream us news media including Many local papers n magazines this is BS Not the excellent BBC that Is independent Not depending on adds for their money IE owned by big businesses the difference heaven n hell information n braiwashing

[wzbeltran]

Latino, como peleas en Una guerra que no es la tuya. Tonto que sos. Ahora Jodase

[andystokie]

That guy at the end served in Fallujah and says it was a positive experience ? wtf, Fallujah was the place where some of the most horrible a deplorable acts were carried out, like the bombing of the hospital .

Google "Fallujah hospital bombed". :- / thats not to mention the white phospherous bombing raids.

[mattcox16]

I'm sorry, ya know I served and many of my good friends served and we all witnessed some bad shit. But that's fuckin war dude, you're done and you survived. You got to get past this shit and learn to live with whatever scars you have. No need for this Winter Solider bullshit, these guys are disgracing the rest of us veterans.

[GhostVirusx90]

Mattcox fuck you. You might of survived the war but you have become a beast.

[happymana]

What a shit outlook on War and Vets you have, I don't think you're a vet to talk like that, you're a phoney. Ever hera of the Draft card, well in Iraq they don't use it. back in Vietnam alot of people had no choice but to go. As for vets disracing, that's bullshit. The soldiers who commit warc rimes they're the ones disgracing.

[PennyRoyaleTea]

Poor guy :{

[SheitanClaus]

Much army information was declassified in 2006 (bad luck but there are still laws).

So it is not like you wrote:"later investigators were not able to confirm the atrocities" There were able to confirm it right away, but it was classified information and as you point out, it is still argued about making such things public or not. So it is dayly army-practice to do such things ordered from above, why should you unsettle the soldiers even more...

[SheitanClaus]

8g00se8 with many arguments you are terribly wrong, others true indeed.

but the testimony of Kerry for example and others concerning crimes against humanity by the US was confirmed by us army officials... see LA times in 2006 for example.

[8G00SE8]

"Vietnam vets dont deny VVAW accounts"

Yes they do, Swift boats veterans for truth made a mockery of John Kerry.

"arabic news channels"

What like Al jazeera (director general is from jordan, Editor in cheif is Palestinian, both bought up to hate the west with a passion), ANN (owned by Syria and its Bathist regime) and iranian state run channels? Who report atrocities everyday in between childrens programs calling for kids to hate Israelis?

You believe them, it explains alot then.

[8G00SE8]

In 10 years time, there will be people standing up for the truth about VVAW aswell. But how many insurgents would find reason to pick up a gun via these videos before then?

To many.

[pepperoni9876]

The Iraqis are well aware of the atrocities being inflicted on them every day... they don't need a youtube video! Accounts of rape, torture and the effects of depleted uranium, are all over the arabic news channels. In fact, the apologies IVAW are offering as well as their advocating for reparations to the Iraqi people go a long way towards deterring would-be insurgents. Vietnam vets dont deny VVAW accounts, but say "you weren't there so you can't judge - we thought we were dead any minute".

[8G00SE8]

Please watch these videos to see how most of your little minority heros renounce there own statements:

watch?v=f_6gNY6S5HE

And here again incase you couldnt be botherd to find out the truth about kerry, is his own ship mates:

watch?v=V4Zk9YmED48&feature=re­lated

[8G00SE8]

watch?v=s1ItPN9_79U&feature=re­lated

[8G00SE8]

Scentless, your right, i mean Winter Soldiers should have been covered, especially an indepth look at the original winter soldiers.

And how the majority of John Kerry's remarks were lies, and unbsubstantiated, and more importantly have never been proved, but disporoved numerous times, aswell as his own unit proving john kerry was not as heroic as he made out in viet nam.

Or how this new winter soldiers refused to testify under oat, making everything they say void in the eyes of the law.

[pepperoni9876]

If you had bothered to go to the ivaw website and listen to Luis Montalvan, you know that he would "love nothing more than to testify to a congressional hearing".

Shame you haven't twigged to the fact that's exactly what the veterans want...

[8G00SE8]

Your the one who needs to look things up, especially the original WS that IVAW are inspired by, things like:

'Several Winter Soldiers made trips to Paris from 1970 to 1972, specifically to meet with Madame Bingh, a formal representative of the South Vietnamese communists. These Vietnam Veterans Against the War, of whom John Kerry was one, were given copies of the communists' 7-point plan for peace, and soon after began mimicking the same terminology in their "peace" demonstrations.'

[8G00SE8]

John Kerry's photograph hangs in the War Protestors Hall of the War Remnants Museum in Ho Chi Minh City -- an indication of the value the Vietnamese communists place on Kerry's support of their efforts during the Vietnam War.

[8G00SE8]

Kerry's used "testimony" from the VVAW's "Winter Soldier Investigation" as the basis for his war crimes charges, although none of the witnesses there were willing to sign depositions affirming their claims. Later investigators were unable to confirm any of the reported atrocities, and in fact discovered that a number of the witnesses had never been in Vietnam, had never been in combat, or were imposters who had assumed the identity of real veterans.

Jesse Macbeth?

[pepperoni9876]

They were right not to sign depositions condemning the people they fought alongside or directly under - their actions were, after all, directed at the administration that SENT them to war.

Jesse Macbeth lied, so all 500+ IVAW members are frauds. Taking that logic to its ultimate conclusion, bogus claims of Weapons of Mass Destruction, lies about Jessica Lynch, Abu Ghirab should compel you to discount every word used to justify this brutal and illegal occupation.

[8G00SE8]

Heres the men that were there with John Kerry:

watch?v=V4Zk9YmED48&feature=re­lated

[8G00SE8]

VVAW leadership Executive secretary Al Hubbard claimed to have been an Air Force captain wounded piloting a transport over Da Nang in 1966. Hubbard was actually a staff sergeant who was never assigned to Vietnam.

[8G00SE8]

The VVAW was a radical organization that formally considered assassinating supporters of the war. As reported in the New York Sun, during a 1971 meeting in Kansas City the VVAW leadership and chapter coordinators voted down a plan to murder several U.S. Senators, including John Tower, John Stennis, and Strom Thurmond. Two VVAW members present, Randy Barnes and Terry Du-Bose, place John Kerry at that meeting, as do the FBI records. Kerry publicly represent the VVAW until at least 1972.

[pepperoni9876]

And rightly so! It was the resistance inside the military, supported by radicalised workers and students that finally brought an end to the aggression, saving countless more U.S. and Vietnamese deaths.

You are an apologist for that invasion why???

[8G00SE8]

You missed the Key points:

"Later investigators were unable to confirm any of the reported atrocities, and in fact discovered that a number of the witnesses had NEVER BEEN IN VIETNAM, had never been in combat, or WERE IMPOSTERS who had assumed the identity of real veterans."

The war in vietnam was wrong, but so was lieing to end it. Those lies caused the deaths of thousands, and extreme suffering of POW's.

[8G00SE8]

At what point did i say i supported the war? I support those who were lied about and those who suffered from those lies, during the war, and when they got home.

[Scentless]

I'm sickened on how little of the Winter Soldier event and almost all of the anti-war rallies and protests were covered. We heard more about a blabbermouth pastor and a governor who couldn't keep his pants up than anything important.

[marknalleahmad]

Only 2100 viewers!

As an optimist and anti war person, I am disappointed! Check out defence industry, where big boys show their big ugly killing machines, and compare the number of viewers. What is wrong with these ppl?

[DJSTobie]

Amazing how here in the states these testamonies are over looked how the protest are overlooked, how corp-news reports less than 2% on this *illegal war*

Your voices will not be silenced. When told b y a reporter what 2/3 of americans think that we should not be in Iraq...Dick EVIL Cheney said *SO*....That speaks volumes for this regime.

[photofu]

support our troops seems like an empty slogan, when you hear about these things. this war is based on lies!

[meronmotors]

@photofu do you always believe everything you see on youtube? Why is it people are immediatly ready to dismiss everything they have learned as soon as they see a video like this on youtube. What makes this more credible then the million of other soldiers who said we did good. Why is it usually 18-34 year olds are think they know everything and that they wont be "blinded" by media and propaganda. You just went through puberty and now you know everything

[meronmotors]

@photofu did you happen to notice he has 6 bottles of percriptions, the rest appear to be vitamins and health supplements. Maybe he keeps his pills in diffrent rooms? so he can get exercise walking around grabbing each one ? what a joke. I bet 3 of those 6 are empty. Its criminal what the media does to our soldiers.

[paulbarbara]

@antebbbbb - Yeh, George reckons it's so raomantic and exciting, he wishes he hadn't ducked out of Vietnam service.

Well done Vets, for you whistleblowing and truthtelling. Pity the Main Stream Media is controlled by the same evil forces that control the US Administration. Check out 9/11 Truth sites. Paul Barbara, London UK.

[paulbarbara]

@antebbbbb: Yeh, so exciting and romantic, George sort of wishes he hadn't avoided Vietnam duty.

Well done, Vet 'whistleblowers' and truthtellers; would that the Mainstream Media was not controlled by the same forces that control the US Administration, and would publicise the truth, like the Vets testimony and all the evidence pointing to 9/11 being an 'Inside Job'. Paul Barbara, London UK

[antebbbbb]

Very good coverage by Katty Kay, for BBC News.

Meanwhile, George Bush speaks on video with personnel in Afghanistan:

"It must be exciting for you... in some ways romantic, in some ways, you know, confronting danger."

He's actually telling them what they must be feeling, instead of asking them.