It is true abortion is murder. Rape is bad of course but not as bad. For example the Catholic Church is under attack but some of these cases are not even rape but mere molestation. Abortion should be the focus of everyone it is a crime more than molestation.
All right, let's do that. Explain to me, in absence of God, why genocide is wrong? Why is it wrong to kill people. Aren't people nothing but a random arrangement of particles. There is nothing wrong with rearranging particles, is there? Why is genocide wrong?
It is a matter of being able to see things from an objective perspective. Right wing nut jobs are not able to do that. The best explanation anyone can offer someone who will not listen to reason is "fuck off and mind your own business. Abortions are legal and will remain so. My best advice to you is to kill yourself"
Objectively, if we are all the products of random chance, we have no inherent value. Any value we assign ourselves or others is arbitrary. Having no inherent value means killing us is of no consequence. No God = no morality. You are a coward in that you will not even address basic questionings of your belief. Fool!
The only thing worse than being raped would've been being forced to gestate my rape-related pregnancy. That is a horror I would not have endured. I thank God on a daily basis that abortion was a safe & legal option for me... otherwise I would have been forced to undergo an illegal and dangerous procedure and my children may have been left motherless.
Aw kcsorci that really happened to you? I'm so sorry. These people are nuts! George Carlin says it better than anyone. These Christian freaks care not at all for women, as this new Utah law proves.
@TheFashionistaofNYC - I only wish EC would've been available & advertised back then... unfortunately, I was never advised of it and had to endure a surgical abortion. We should all Trust Women!
EC is key. Yet anti-choicers claim EC is an abortificient and private hospitals and pharmacies are allowed to deny emeregency contraceptive care to rape victims.
I'm sorry for what you went through. At least you have such a beautiful family to support you!
@TheFashionistaofNYC - I only hope that all hospitals (regardless of their ties to any particular religion/cult ) will be able to offer this option to women (particularly those who do not belong to their religion/cult) so that they can avoid pregnancy and any subsequent abortion.
I am very thankful to have such a supporting and loving family who have been willing to put aside their personal beliefs in order to support my personal life decisions... I love them so much!
Presicely! Emergency contraceptive care would prevent so many pregnancies. Universal access to family planning as well as comprehensive sexuality education would combat on-request abortions, but neither would come true here.
You are also prime example of the myth that "only women who have never had babies would have abortions." When in actuality over 60% of women who have abortions already have children! My mom is very pro-choice and I got my strong support for reproductive rights from her!
I too am a victim of rape and thank women like you who speak out for us women and mothers who have been victims of rape, gotten pregnant and had abortions!
This is a hard truth, who can hear it? Sweet little Lina Medina had her baby at five. As the song says: "It was criminal, what happened to you that day, and the other victim your baby shouldn't pay, for a crime a man had done, giving a little gorl his son." Do not punish the children of rape by killing them. Babies are a blessing no matter how they were conceived.
God bless you Brother for preaching the word of truth !!! Unless people REPENT of their sins and accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior they will go to hell.
Jesse darling - you've gone from one form of substance abuse to another. There are other ways of filling the void left by drugs than with a non-existent entity and fear-mongering, hateful preaching. Get a life sweetie.
---Rape is a crime, one which is very difficult to prevent. But, we don't have to force the woman to bear her rapist's kid. That's a choice we don't have to make.
What about the child? Its an innocent victim. It didn't ask to be born that way. So why is it wrong to punish one innocent victim to alleviate another victim?
The child doesn't exist? What do you mean it doesn't exist? By the very definition of of a woman being PREGNANT......that means she is with child. The child is simply unborn.
Oh, but you are being a selfish and are probably going the "its not a person yet" route.
I will donate 100 dollars to planned parenthood if you can tell me whats magical thing happens when passing through a vagina that makes a unborn child a "person". Without using mans law.
Just do yourself a favor and stop talking now. Ive had this argument with people arguing the exact same way you argue. You end up contradicting yourself and holding a double standard. Which means you lose the argument.
Murdering a perfectly healthy baby, at no matter what stage in development is just that...murder.
----It's not murder unless enough people call it murder. You don't make the calls for the rest of the world- that's merely what you would like to think.
---If all people felt the crime of being Jewish deserves the death penalty then that would be truth. I would note, however, that while some Germans felt this way most people (and possibly most Germans) did/ do not.
The fact that you think people can "decide" truth proves that you are an intellectual lightweight and hopeless. Further discourse with you is more than pointless.
---We disagree. And that makes me a lightweight? Your Bible has to be interpreted. Were you a fair minded person you might admit your Bible's meaning has changed over time. But then I am just a lightweight.....
No, you are a lightweight because believe the laughable notion that truth can be decided. Its a logically fallacy. Something cannot be truth if someone can hold an opposing view, and not be incorrect.
Simply because we "disagree" doesn't mean someone isnt wrong. I think 2+2=7 Are neither of us wrong because we disagree? No im wrong because facts say I am.
And no, the bibles meaning has not changed over time. Words and context have changed. And yes, you are an intellectual lightweight.
Told you. You just made a double standard. And Jesse (aka OpenAirOutreach) just said it perfectly. Unless of course you are going to say what the Nazi's did was just fine cause enough of them said that jews weren't people and therefore ok to exterminate them.
Its a lose/lose situation my friend. Repent of your sins and let the love of jesus melt your hardened heart.
---The basic question is this: Who or what is the ultimate source of authority in USA society? That authority is the people's will as it is expressed throught the branches of their government. This is the authority that decides what is and isn't murder. In practice, it also decides what is true, what is good, and even what is evil.
You are trying to change the argument. And failing at it. You, are a nazi sympathizer, based on your statements. You might say something like "I personally don't think killing jews is right" but the fact is that your view cannot say that the nazi's were wrong. Since their will of the people said it was fine. Which makes you a pretty horrible person. Trading being able to say something is inherently wrong, no matter who does it. So you can murder babies guilt free.
According to your logic, that "It's a person when enough peole say it is a person - and not a moment sooner" what if enough Germans decide that Jews are not really people? Is it then OK for them to have a holocaust?
The same logic that justifies abortion also justifies the holocaust. Abortion is America's holocaust. Abortionists are New Nazi's.
I agree with you to the extent that a baby that is viable without the mother should not be aborted. However, after a rape we are talking about a clump of undifferentiated cells. "Abortion" at this point - aka the morning after pill, is little more than a heavy period. Considering conception the point at which a "human" is created is just as arbitrary as when it comes out.
New born babies are still dependent upon their parents, should they be killed too?
Most individuals are dependent upon their parents until they are atleast 16 or 18 years old. Does that men that until they can support themselves, their parents can kill them?
How do you define a human? Well, it all boils down to DNA. How many chromosomes does it have and is it human DNA? 46? Check. Human? Check. Its a person. No different at the DNA level than you or me.
And what do you mean viable? A baby cant survive outside the womb without someone taking care of it. A developing baby wouldn't last 5 minutes. But a born baby probably wouldn't last a day. Most "children" cant survive on their own till at least their teens.
First, your snot has 46 chromosomes - hardly proof its a human.
Second, a baby that is born can be cared for by someone else if not the mother. A fetus that is extremely undeveloped cannot be removed and given to someone else. If they could it would be a viable alternative to abortion.
You are gross. But it does prove that the snot came from a human. And its my DNA, so I can do what I want with it. A fetus is neither wholly the mothers, nor the fathers. It is its own entity.
I was just pointing out that just because something has 46 chromosomes and is human DNA is no proof at all that it is a independent human. Many "potential humans" are discarded in IVF treatment, but you don't murder and bomb IVF clinics do you?
It is a terrible thing when a women is raped. Even worse is if she get's pregnant because of the rape. But what is worse than both of those is if that baby is murdered in the womb. Sin is not the answer to sin.
Are you really that ignorant? You think thats a rapists goal like 99.99% of the time? And that .01% is like when a 23 year old commits "statutory rape"
You really have no idea why rapists rape, do you? Most of the time its about power. The other time its about getting off. And you think its about getting a girl pregnant to make her have his baby?
Rapists may not have the concious intent, but if women were forced to have the babies of rapists there would be an evolutionary advantage to those men who do. In fact because they don't have to support those babies they have an advantage over other men. Secondly, there is a window during which the 'life' is so undeveloped it can't be reasonably considered a human individual. Also, I thought Christians were into "family values" - what kind of start is a birth without a father?
So, your logic is that any child who doesn't have a father should be killed to spare it a miserable existence? Whats the cut off point for that? My dad died when I was 13, he was our means of support. Also, thats when I needed him most. Should I have been killed to spare myself the torment of not having a father in my time of need?
I think that active fathering is beneficial, and that women should be given the opportunity to decide whose children they father rather than it being forced on them. Better they partner with a loving and caring man who helps raise the child than raise a child of a rapist alone. Quite apart from the emotional reminder.
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Good girls abstain and do not have unplanned pregnancies. Many infertile couples are waiting for women to be raped :) :) :)
mylittlekittens 7 months ago
I think people exaggerate the badness of rape. I'm not saying its not bad, its just not on the same level of murder.
Castaril 1 year ago
It is true abortion is murder. Rape is bad of course but not as bad. For example the Catholic Church is under attack but some of these cases are not even rape but mere molestation. Abortion should be the focus of everyone it is a crime more than molestation.
narutokun19 1 year ago
This guy is a dumbass. Love the teens though lol!
TheFashionistaofNYC 2 years ago 3
i really respect the young blonde girl in the beginning of this video for keeping her cool and not smacking the crazy out of this guy
leiapeison 2 years ago 4
"Abortion is worse then rape"
Someone do the planet a favor and shoot this sick fuck
AuShawster 2 years ago
What is worst: killing an innocent baby or raping someone? It is an easy question, you sick POS.
psychoelf000 2 years ago
Get fucking god out of the equation faith-tard.
LiberalElitistMedia 2 years ago 2
All right, let's do that. Explain to me, in absence of God, why genocide is wrong? Why is it wrong to kill people. Aren't people nothing but a random arrangement of particles. There is nothing wrong with rearranging particles, is there? Why is genocide wrong?
psychoelf000 2 years ago
It is a matter of being able to see things from an objective perspective. Right wing nut jobs are not able to do that. The best explanation anyone can offer someone who will not listen to reason is "fuck off and mind your own business. Abortions are legal and will remain so. My best advice to you is to kill yourself"
LiberalElitistMedia 2 years ago 2
Objectively, if we are all the products of random chance, we have no inherent value. Any value we assign ourselves or others is arbitrary. Having no inherent value means killing us is of no consequence. No God = no morality. You are a coward in that you will not even address basic questionings of your belief. Fool!
psychoelf000 2 years ago
btw, you are a moron. Take an Econ 101 class and google "soft dinosaur tissue."
psychoelf000 2 years ago
The only thing worse than being raped would've been being forced to gestate my rape-related pregnancy. That is a horror I would not have endured. I thank God on a daily basis that abortion was a safe & legal option for me... otherwise I would have been forced to undergo an illegal and dangerous procedure and my children may have been left motherless.
Trust Women!
kcsorci 2 years ago 6
Aw kcsorci that really happened to you? I'm so sorry. These people are nuts! George Carlin says it better than anyone. These Christian freaks care not at all for women, as this new Utah law proves.
Trust Women!
TheFashionistaofNYC 2 years ago 2
@TheFashionistaofNYC - I only wish EC would've been available & advertised back then... unfortunately, I was never advised of it and had to endure a surgical abortion. We should all Trust Women!
kcsorci 2 years ago
EC is key. Yet anti-choicers claim EC is an abortificient and private hospitals and pharmacies are allowed to deny emeregency contraceptive care to rape victims.
I'm sorry for what you went through. At least you have such a beautiful family to support you!
TheFashionistaofNYC 2 years ago 3
@TheFashionistaofNYC - I only hope that all hospitals (regardless of their ties to any particular religion/cult ) will be able to offer this option to women (particularly those who do not belong to their religion/cult) so that they can avoid pregnancy and any subsequent abortion.
I am very thankful to have such a supporting and loving family who have been willing to put aside their personal beliefs in order to support my personal life decisions... I love them so much!
kcsorci 2 years ago
Presicely! Emergency contraceptive care would prevent so many pregnancies. Universal access to family planning as well as comprehensive sexuality education would combat on-request abortions, but neither would come true here.
You are also prime example of the myth that "only women who have never had babies would have abortions." When in actuality over 60% of women who have abortions already have children! My mom is very pro-choice and I got my strong support for reproductive rights from her!
TheFashionistaofNYC 2 years ago 2
I too am a victim of rape and thank women like you who speak out for us women and mothers who have been victims of rape, gotten pregnant and had abortions!
SupportMatthew2545 1 year ago 3
This is a hard truth, who can hear it? Sweet little Lina Medina had her baby at five. As the song says: "It was criminal, what happened to you that day, and the other victim your baby shouldn't pay, for a crime a man had done, giving a little gorl his son." Do not punish the children of rape by killing them. Babies are a blessing no matter how they were conceived.
iCelebr8Life 2 years ago
God bless you Brother for preaching the word of truth !!! Unless people REPENT of their sins and accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior they will go to hell.
Love your born again brother in Christ.
Jason W
rxxfm149 2 years ago
Jesse darling - you've gone from one form of substance abuse to another. There are other ways of filling the void left by drugs than with a non-existent entity and fear-mongering, hateful preaching. Get a life sweetie.
AuntieDiluvian 2 years ago
Geez - I thought that blonde girl at 1:26 was going to assault you.
What did the guy say at 6:03? All I know is you told him to go pray with the guy holding the banner.
FireThunderTV 2 years ago
---Rape is a crime, one which is very difficult to prevent. But, we don't have to force the woman to bear her rapist's kid. That's a choice we don't have to make.
IbnSheba 2 years ago
What about the child? Its an innocent victim. It didn't ask to be born that way. So why is it wrong to punish one innocent victim to alleviate another victim?
girzwald3 2 years ago
---The "child" does not yet exist. It's nothing more than a possibility. You simply can't equate it with the woman.
IbnSheba 2 years ago
The child doesn't exist? What do you mean it doesn't exist? By the very definition of of a woman being PREGNANT......that means she is with child. The child is simply unborn.
Oh, but you are being a selfish and are probably going the "its not a person yet" route.
I will donate 100 dollars to planned parenthood if you can tell me whats magical thing happens when passing through a vagina that makes a unborn child a "person". Without using mans law.
girzwald3 2 years ago
---It's a person when enough people say it is a person -and not a moment sooner.
IbnSheba 2 years ago
You lose. You used the law of man.
girzwald3 2 years ago
Just do yourself a favor and stop talking now. Ive had this argument with people arguing the exact same way you argue. You end up contradicting yourself and holding a double standard. Which means you lose the argument.
Murdering a perfectly healthy baby, at no matter what stage in development is just that...murder.
girzwald3 2 years ago
----It's not murder unless enough people call it murder. You don't make the calls for the rest of the world- that's merely what you would like to think.
IbnSheba 2 years ago
"it is not murder unless enough people call it murder"
So if enough Germans decide that killing Jews is not really murder, then it is not really murder according to you?
The same logic that justifies abortion also justified Nazism. Abortionists are NeoNazis.
OpenAirOutreach 2 years ago
---If all people felt the crime of being Jewish deserves the death penalty then that would be truth. I would note, however, that while some Germans felt this way most people (and possibly most Germans) did/ do not.
IbnSheba 2 years ago
The fact that you think people can "decide" truth proves that you are an intellectual lightweight and hopeless. Further discourse with you is more than pointless.
girzwald3 2 years ago
---We disagree. And that makes me a lightweight? Your Bible has to be interpreted. Were you a fair minded person you might admit your Bible's meaning has changed over time. But then I am just a lightweight.....
IbnSheba 2 years ago 2
No, you are a lightweight because believe the laughable notion that truth can be decided. Its a logically fallacy. Something cannot be truth if someone can hold an opposing view, and not be incorrect.
Simply because we "disagree" doesn't mean someone isnt wrong. I think 2+2=7 Are neither of us wrong because we disagree? No im wrong because facts say I am.
And no, the bibles meaning has not changed over time. Words and context have changed. And yes, you are an intellectual lightweight.
girzwald3 2 years ago
Told you. You just made a double standard. And Jesse (aka OpenAirOutreach) just said it perfectly. Unless of course you are going to say what the Nazi's did was just fine cause enough of them said that jews weren't people and therefore ok to exterminate them.
Its a lose/lose situation my friend. Repent of your sins and let the love of jesus melt your hardened heart.
girzwald3 2 years ago
---The basic question is this: Who or what is the ultimate source of authority in USA society? That authority is the people's will as it is expressed throught the branches of their government. This is the authority that decides what is and isn't murder. In practice, it also decides what is true, what is good, and even what is evil.
IbnSheba 2 years ago
You are trying to change the argument. And failing at it. You, are a nazi sympathizer, based on your statements. You might say something like "I personally don't think killing jews is right" but the fact is that your view cannot say that the nazi's were wrong. Since their will of the people said it was fine. Which makes you a pretty horrible person. Trading being able to say something is inherently wrong, no matter who does it. So you can murder babies guilt free.
girzwald3 2 years ago
According to your logic, that "It's a person when enough peole say it is a person - and not a moment sooner" what if enough Germans decide that Jews are not really people? Is it then OK for them to have a holocaust?
The same logic that justifies abortion also justifies the holocaust. Abortion is America's holocaust. Abortionists are New Nazi's.
OpenAirOutreach 2 years ago
I agree with you to the extent that a baby that is viable without the mother should not be aborted. However, after a rape we are talking about a clump of undifferentiated cells. "Abortion" at this point - aka the morning after pill, is little more than a heavy period. Considering conception the point at which a "human" is created is just as arbitrary as when it comes out.
cheetah100 2 years ago 2
New born babies are still dependent upon their parents, should they be killed too?
Most individuals are dependent upon their parents until they are atleast 16 or 18 years old. Does that men that until they can support themselves, their parents can kill them?
OpenAirOutreach 2 years ago
How do you define a human? Well, it all boils down to DNA. How many chromosomes does it have and is it human DNA? 46? Check. Human? Check. Its a person. No different at the DNA level than you or me.
And what do you mean viable? A baby cant survive outside the womb without someone taking care of it. A developing baby wouldn't last 5 minutes. But a born baby probably wouldn't last a day. Most "children" cant survive on their own till at least their teens.
girzwald3 2 years ago
First, your snot has 46 chromosomes - hardly proof its a human.
Second, a baby that is born can be cared for by someone else if not the mother. A fetus that is extremely undeveloped cannot be removed and given to someone else. If they could it would be a viable alternative to abortion.
cheetah100 2 years ago 2
You are gross. But it does prove that the snot came from a human. And its my DNA, so I can do what I want with it. A fetus is neither wholly the mothers, nor the fathers. It is its own entity.
Second. What does that have to do with anything?
girzwald3 2 years ago
I was just pointing out that just because something has 46 chromosomes and is human DNA is no proof at all that it is a independent human. Many "potential humans" are discarded in IVF treatment, but you don't murder and bomb IVF clinics do you?
cheetah100 2 years ago
If the child is not yet ALIVE in the womb, why do you have to KILL the child in the womb before taking it out?
OpenAirOutreach 2 years ago
Actually, the child is not merely the "rapists kid". It is also her kid. That baby is HER baby, with HER DNA.
OpenAirOutreach 2 years ago
Why are you Militant Christians to angry? Why do you kill people over this issue?
cheetah100 2 years ago
It is a terrible thing when a women is raped. Even worse is if she get's pregnant because of the rape. But what is worse than both of those is if that baby is murdered in the womb. Sin is not the answer to sin.
bibletheology 2 years ago
----The rapist should not benefit from his crime. He should be denied every conceivable gain (presuming that's what the woman wants.)
IbnSheba 2 years ago
Are you really that ignorant? You think thats a rapists goal like 99.99% of the time? And that .01% is like when a 23 year old commits "statutory rape"
You really have no idea why rapists rape, do you? Most of the time its about power. The other time its about getting off. And you think its about getting a girl pregnant to make her have his baby?
Ignorance, pure ignorance.
girzwald3 2 years ago
Did I say any of that? Did I ? Do try and be adult.
IbnSheba 2 years ago
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girzwald3 2 years ago
yes you did, im sorry that I am able to read inbetween the lines.
girzwald3 2 years ago
----The phrase I used was that the rapist "be denied every conceivable gain". No where did I state that creating a child was the rapist's GOAL.
IbnSheba 2 years ago
Oh, then what is the rapist being denied if a woman aborts her baby? And how does that justify murder?
girzwald3 2 years ago
Rapists may not have the concious intent, but if women were forced to have the babies of rapists there would be an evolutionary advantage to those men who do. In fact because they don't have to support those babies they have an advantage over other men. Secondly, there is a window during which the 'life' is so undeveloped it can't be reasonably considered a human individual. Also, I thought Christians were into "family values" - what kind of start is a birth without a father?
cheetah100 2 years ago 2
So, your logic is that any child who doesn't have a father should be killed to spare it a miserable existence? Whats the cut off point for that? My dad died when I was 13, he was our means of support. Also, thats when I needed him most. Should I have been killed to spare myself the torment of not having a father in my time of need?
I turned out just fine.
girzwald3 2 years ago
I think that active fathering is beneficial, and that women should be given the opportunity to decide whose children they father rather than it being forced on them. Better they partner with a loving and caring man who helps raise the child than raise a child of a rapist alone. Quite apart from the emotional reminder.
cheetah100 2 years ago 2
The child should not be given to the rapist! Either the mother should raise it, or give it to a nice Christian couple who can.
OpenAirOutreach 2 years ago
AMEN
ProphecyChannel 2 years ago