Wow... aren't you afraid that they will come after you? Church of the SubGenius can be pretty aggressive at times. Damned, Bob worshipers... They might come over and have a beer with you or something. It's horrible (sometimes, they make you pay for your own beer, horrible).
dud why don't your take your hokey religion and go to hell and try to convert those there, i bet you find mohammad there surfing the flames . some day the flag of freedom will fly in all other arab countries and no islam to be found. dud i will never praise mohammad not on this world or a million like it.
dud why don't your take your hokey religion and go to hell and try to convert those there, i bet you find mohammad there surfing the flames . some day the flag of freedom will fly in all other arab countries and no islam to be found.
so you don't hate but you still actually do when comes to lies and suffering of "innocents" people... don't you think you need to overcome this too, it's silly to blame a natural behaviour of an human as wrong or evil, enough to set off your irrational hatred, there isn't such a human more "innocent" than another, and liar makes no difference, if you don't like him do something to change him for the good of everyone, him included and if you can't don't blame others but your inability.
7:52 "So any atheist haters out there talking shit., shut the FUCK up"
I respect you AronRa. You say what you mean and mean what you say. Rationalists should be just that... rational. Threats and violence get nowhere, and militant atheism is just what we DONT need if we want to portray ourselves as tolerant, respectful human beings. You sir, are truly an inspiration and a voice of reason where reason should be the only voice there.
@AronRa "Ridiculous"... Don't you mean "blasphemy"?;)) I'm Joking. First off, god is very vague term. But sure it is scientifically right to say "there is no evidence of Jahwe[or any other deity that is not proven by science]" but it is just as right to say "there is no evidence of no Jahwe". Christians for example believe that their god is in a sense 'in another dimension', thus it is inpossible to prove either, unless you could somehow 'access' this 'god dimension' ;)
No, you are wrong. The phrase "positive claims require positive evidence" is really important here. I can claim that a pink unicorn is in my backyard, but you have no reason to believe that claim until it is demonstrated. That's what he was trying to get you to see. People can assert their religious claims all they'd like, but that does NOT make them justified. On the contrary, remaining critical of un-demonstrated (or un-demonstrable) claims is the only reasonable response.
@wretcherwr I understand that. But I still don't see any point in believing that there is no pink unicorn in your backyard. I will only not believe unless I see your backyard and it is empty. Belief is a belief, whether negative or positive belief and I always rather know than believe. Better yet if that pink unicorn is invicible and you tell me it can only be seen once and you have used that one time seeing already. Why the hell I would try to prove you wrong when it is impossible thing to do.
@wretcherwretch Those two statements lead to exact same conclusion: No such thing as pink unicorn. And it is a conclusion drawed with no evidense. Sure, i'm not saying it is wrong to not believe everything you are told. But I think the more open/flexible mind you have the better off you are as a researcher, scientist, journalist, philosphist, shaman, whatever. Too many people get stuck on atheism when they 'convert'. There is too much spirituality in the world to just close your eyes to it IMHO.
If you wouldn't mind worrying less about the arguing and more about attempting to understand what I'm saying, this would be more fruitful. You're right that the statements lead to the exact same thing, but the onus is on different subjects.If someone claims that there is evidently no god (e.g. there is no evidence for a god), that person is correct.
I'm a scientist, by the way, so I know *intimately* how skepticism works. And it DOES NOT work by accepting until it is disproved.
@KvalnirFox you know what i hate? people feeling that atheists don't have open minds because they dont isolate themselves around the idea of a diety watching their every move and protect that idea with as much effort as they did atheism. its hypocracy at it's worst. not saying your calling atheists closed minded just had to get that off my chest, and believ me, i gave god a chance, he didn't show...
@KvalnirFox it is impossible for science to prove something does not exist. this universe to vast, to uncomprehensably infinite that we can never know prove as fact that a certain something does not exist. science can, on the other hand, prove that things people claim were god's doing are actually the cause of tangible reasonings. if there is a 1 in a billion chance of something happening, that something happening is not god, it is that the 1 billionth chance of success or failure happened
@KvalnirFox No, atheism is not a religion. I know that a judge ruled that -for the purposes of equal treatment- atheism should be considered a religion, but other judges also passed laws against hiring Chinese immigrants. Calling a tail a leg doesn't make it a leg. There are a few religions which are atheist, (Druids, Shaman, Taoists, etc.) but atheism itself cannot be so defined.
@Makyui Oh but flying celectial pink raccoon does exist. I just made one, in my imagination. ;) Can you prove me wrong? Will you waste your life proving my imagination wrong or maybe just leave a blind space on the F.C.P.R?;)
@Makyui Glad we can agree on this:) I have no god. But if you think about it, imagination is pretty damn powerful thing. Without imagination this world wouldn't even exist;)
@KvalnirFox Ummmm if you say so. I mean, maybe if you mean this particular snapshot of the world right now, in all its details, but no, the earth would exist just fine without imagination.
@Makyui Yeah. Without human imagination it would be different, but propably it would 'exist' just fine(but does a tree make sound if no-one is listening?). Also, I won't make the bold assumption that imagination is a human thing only.
@KvalnirFox - " Without imagination this world wouldn't even exist"
I think you're trying to appear clever, and philosophical and worldly in that annoying early 20's sort of way. Eventually you'll realize something obvious to everyone else, which is that, it's not working.
@KvalnirFox No. There is absolutely no evidence there is a god. Not believing there is a god is the correct logical conclusion. If you believe in god you do in the absence of evidence.
@KvalnirFox By that logic, believing that there is not an invisible candy eating dragon that can't be perceived in any way right behind you at any time, is just as irrational as believing there is one. In both chases there is no evidence for the existence of the subject (God or dragon), and there is no way to check without doubt, if it does exists. The same goes for Santa Claus and all the other imaginary stuff, by your logic its just as irrational to say they don't exists, as to say they do.
@CarlosMonteiro1985 Funny how after leaving my little comment my point has been proven many times. People have been desperately posting how idiotic I am and how wrong I am. Smells like fundamentalism.
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Your conclusions on religion, especially on Hinduism, are laughable to say it in a diplomatic manner. Trying to analyze and form an opinion on ancient pieces of wisdom using modern, rationalist and moralistic standards is beyond pointless. You cannot understand ancient religions unless you study history- the historical context- the languages available and the philosophy behind religion.
What you're doing is not free thinking, but a dogmatic viewing of the world through a narrow keyhole...
@mihaimarinescu88 If I say "slavery is bad" and read the Bible where God said "have fun enslaving",that means that I'm dogmatic? No, "we" are more moral and smarter than the "wise ancient people".The idea that I have to put myself in their shoes to understand how they were wise is absurd!
R:"Judge, I know you think rape is bad, but please, how would you feel if you were a rapist?"
J:"You're right! Charges of rape dismissed on the basis of context and relative standards!"
That rapist example is quite a strawman you created, isn't it ?
Understanding the philosophy of religions (by the way, I didn't even mention the bible) is seeing that the ancients did not have the abstract terms and languages we use at their disposal and that they presented the workings of nature and the universe in allegoric and symbolic terms.
About their morals, they do seem cruel and wicked from today's perspective, but these things happen today too, only in a much more veiled form.
@mihaimarinescu88 It shouldn't be a strawman. It's what I saw as an implication of your critique. AronRa wasn't making a dissertation on the psychology and beliefs of ancient peoples. He was judging them according to his moral code, as it should be. What's the point of criticizing, (for example) Hitler if you intend to do it from a Nazi perspective.
It's not pointless to use modern standards. It's a necessity. Otherwise we can just let people execute homosexuals, witches, albinos...
@mihaimarinescu88 I decide on the basis of empathy and logic. As apparently sentient things we cannot act as if we're not. Why? Because I say so.Why listen to me and not the biblical God? That's not up to me. I cannot blame a paedophile for being attracted to some kid. But I can and will judge him on his actions. Science and logical, philosophical thinking bring up difficult concepts and problems which people'd rather see buried under a pile of pseudointellectual buzzwords and religius thinking.
@mihaimarinescu88 We are apes. Apes which got a hold of complex cognitive processes and we've been trying to reconcile our pointless existence with our problem solving mechanisms since the beggining. There is no simple answer to the question to morality by use of logic or science alone. It does exist, but we're in the mids of it and it needs a subjective component. We have a thing called empathy, which seeks to make you feel what others feel. It's not perfect, but at least I'm working on it.
@badblueman The problem is that you hold reason and logic in awe, while completely discarding the other side of the coin- feeling and intuition. There are some aspects of existence that cannot be reached via objective means- such as reason- although reason is a necessary prerequisite. A materialistic and nihilist perspective of the Universe is just as limited and short-sighted as that of religious fanticism and fundamentalism.
@mihaimarinescu88 Well that's my thing...I was raised, raised myself in such a manner. I didn't wake up one day and say "from now on I'll be logic-man". I've never really understood the feeling and intuition argument as something I'm apparently missing. I feel things, but I judge them. There is so much I've hallucinated, dreamed, deluded myself into that I don't see what's so good about blind logicless thinking. If that makes me a loser in peoples' eyes, that's their problem. But logic works,no?
@mihaimarinescu88 To some degree, I have to agree with your comments. How could a modern westerner truly understand an unfamiliar and completely alien religion, especially one so voluminous? But then you called me 'dogmatic', and that's when your criticism turned to indefensible nonsense. Can you defend that allegation? And how is what I'm doing *not* free thinking? Do you think free thinking forbid me from forming opinions based on what I have read so far?
Let me guess, we are around one year and a half later.
But you have still not not read the Quran.
You don't learn islam by looking at muslim-behaviour or reading about his followers.
The basics is the Quran. If you are a true critic you should at least read the quran.
I suggest the yusuf ali translation (you wil read through it in a week, hour a day)... for muslim interpretation I suggest Ibn Kathir. when you come across something you dont understand.
@mihaimarinescu88 Your conclusions on heliocentrism, especially on the earth is flat consept, are laughable to say it in a diplomatic manner. Trying to analyze and form an opinion on ancient pieces of wisdom using modern, rationalist and moralistic standards is beyond pointless. You cannot understand the flat earth consept unless you study history- the historical context- the languages available and the philosophy behind heliocentrism.
You see i cant change words and its still silly ^^
@mihaimarinescu88 So, looking at the context, how do you justify the thought that "killing is ok, since the soul lives on"? Is it a modern misinterpretation? What did it really mean, then?
@d007ization: If you are referring to the Bhagavad-Gita, in no passage of it does this idea appear. It is only an infantile straw-man brought up, probably not intentionally but through a total ignorance of the matter, by the author of this video. The B-G is not meant to be read in a positivist manner, like you would do a newspaper article, where every sentence can be taken at face value. The Bible, the Quaran, the Vedas etc etc cannot be understood if studied by the modern, positivist method.
@mihaimarinescu88 How are they to be studied then? Of course everyone knows that the people that wrote those scriptures didnt have the knowledge that we do today and had to draw conclusions based on their feelings and already existing folklore and philosophy. But looking at it that way doesent really put them in a better light.
@d007ization I cannot answer your question, because your ideas of spirituality and religion are too mixed up and born from a false angle. Experimental sciences can never replace spirituality, because they are on different planes altogether. The former cannot
The former cannot offer knowledge of reality in itself, because, by its very nature, it is limited to studying only a narrow portion of it- the one accessible to the senses. Thus it can only perceive and study effects, the causes and "the thing in itself" forever eludes it.
What we dont perceive through the 5 senses is completely irrelevant, it will never affect us( and of course, everything that happens in the physical world is, indirectly or directly, detectable through the 5 senses).
That's what I'm talking about. Spiritual matters involve a knowledge of principles and causes that lie at the foundation of the indefinite ramifications of sensible reality. Science is analytical in essence, so it always involves itself with studying limited and contingent fragments that cannot account for the causes.
Anyway, having such a discussion on youtube is worse than pointless, my initial intention was to point out the total lack of understanding of the uploader regarding this subject
Humbly I submit - why should I give Islam (or any other religion) tolerance? I live in a world where there is growing influence of Islam. I really worry that Sharia law will creep into my children's world view! Good grief, It's taken so long to get the damn Christians under control and now they (Islam) want laws outside civil law! Sorry but it scares the bejeezus out of me. I'm tolerant just like the French Resistance.
@Aletheophile - Where on my channel did it say that?! - To be honest I have no idea what the % of the population the Muslim faith is in “my country”, all I know is that it’s growing. I really don’t have any problem with that just as long as this subsection of theists keep their hands off the rule of law (you know - separation of Church & State etc...).Cheers.
@ErlofCambridge Above "recent activity", left of "subscriptions" "Profile... Country: Australia" and then just google the demographics for that country. Did you know wikipedia even has an article dedicated to Islam I Australia? And the situation is similar in most western countries. So horror stories of Muslims coopting western governments or converting westerners en masse seem pretty implausible to me.
Life is cheap in these belief systems because people died so easily in those early years of civilization and it makes death easier to deal with if life is to be considered so cheaply.
In The Name of Allah The Most Gracious The Most Merciful
35:(45) If Allah were to punish men according to what they deserve. He would not leave on the back of the (earth) a single living creature: but He gives them respite for a stated Term: when their Term expires, verily Allah has in His sight all His Servants.
But I don't Krsna wanted Arjuna to indiscriminately kill people. Or else it would contradict the moral code he establishes in later chapters. Lets face it, to kill or be killed was a fact of life for the warrior in Bronze age cultures.
That's an interesting take on the Bhagavat gita. But the way I see it, the first couple chapters are about Krsna telling Arjuna to do his duty. If you read the know the background story of the text, you would know that Arjuna was fighting his own cousins. A peace treaty was attempted between the two factions but was rejected by his opponents. So war was the only choice.
I knew that the bible was macabre but the writing style is just atrocious! I personally enjoy violent stories and there are way more violent stories and most of them are better written than the bible, and most of them are lacking in substance
Narrated 'Umar Radiyallahu Anh: I heard the Prophet PBUH saying, "Do not exaggerate in praising me as the Christians praised the son of Maryam (Mary)*, for I am only a slave. So call me the slae of Allah and His Messenger." (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Vol.4, Hadith No.654)
* The Christians overpraised 'Isa (Jesus) Alaihissalam till they took him as a god besides Allah.
The blame of idolizing the Prophet lies with the Muslims and not the Prophet himself.
Narrated 'Umar Radiyallahu Anh: I heard the Prophet PBUH saying, "Do not exaggerate in praising me as the Christians praised the son of Maryam (Mary)*, for I am only a slave. So call me the slae of Allah and His Messenger." (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Vol.4, Hadith No.654)
* The Christians overpraised 'Isa (Jesus) Alaihissalam till they took him as a god besides Allah.
I think. if there is a God who can create the universe just by willing it, then he can also make people recognize Muhammad's face even if they've never seen him.
@Atripple, Why on earth would he bother? If Allah wants certain people to join him in Heaven, why not just zip their spirits up without further ado?
This whole recognizing-a-pic-of-Muhammad thing is strikingly similar to the ghost stories my friends and I told each other at nine years old and is just as silly and unbelievable.
@EyeLean5280 I see it as a formality. Obviously God doesn't have to offer a trial, fair or otherwise - because He knows all, but people sentenced to hell will insist that they're being wronged.
But once again - the whole recognize the picture thing is disputed and minor. It's told like a cautionary fairy tale.
The actual "trial" is what we all like to call the "Day of Judgement".
Quick technical note: Re-using a digital tape over and over too much will result in exactly the video artifacts I'm seeing in your video. I recommend using a head cleaner and investing in some new high-quality tapes, OR, switch to a hard-drive based camera. I hope this helps!
I have a question for you. From what i understand there are two main categories that all animals fall into that's Mammals and Reptiles. I understand the majority and difference between this categories to a basic level. However my questions where did the origin of each of these come from? was the same animal? If so was it a reptile or a mammal?
I have a question for you. From what i understand there are two main categories that all animals fall into that's Mammals and Reptiles. I understand the majority and difference between this categories to a basic level. However my questions where did the origin of each of these come from? was the same animal? If so was it a reptile or a mammal?
@MnE4life I believe life itself originated in space, as amino acids have been found in space rock. Bacteria was around on earth and other small life forms, until oxygen became our planets main gas, replacing sulfur. The bacteria that was left would evolve depending on it's surroundings, thus forming the first major differences between life.
I have a question for you. From what i understand there are two main categories that all animals fall into that's Mammals and Reptiles. I understand the majority and difference between this categories to a basic level. However my questions where did the origin of each of these come from? was the same animal? If so was it a reptile or a mammal?
On one hand, I agree that we need to try to be inclusive.On the other hand aggressively attacking a dogmatic ideology that you see working its way into your culture is something I'd have to support.
We can talk all we want about understanding and integration, but when your attempts at peaceful coexistence are met with demands that you subjugate yourself to the wishes the "other", aggressive defense is the only moral action. I never claimed to represent anyone but myself, so no, I won't STFU.
well, in order to address the questions, doubts and other so called facts, typing isnt going to help, but I admire you do have made some great points one should consider.. Anyway, there may be 10000's of poets but that doesnt mean what they express in correct. I'm saying this cuz you quoted the poet and he is wrong.. we dont pray to the prophet or ask through the prophet for anything, we r supposed to ask God directly. I respect yr views and opinions of other religions, anyway my time is up..
Ever been to Iran? Ever visited the Topkapi Palaca in Istanbul? You will see many images of muhammed there. It's complete nonsense of muslims to get their nipples in a binch about the depiction of muhammed. Even in hadiths you can see his image. They are just a bunch of crybabies.
Interesting take on the Gita. I'm glad to finally see some criticism of it. I was raised Hindu, and whereas I still hold a degree of attachment to its philosophy (and as you can imagine, I disagree to an extent with your assessment of the Gita), I still think it is an exceptionally flawed religion that is far too exalted by somewhat naive westerners with a flavour for the exotic.
All religion is superstition. Whether it's Hinduism or Scientology. It's all crap. If you have an immortal soul or not is a different question & something that every religion tried to claim, dominate, threaten or extinguish, all in their own self interest. Islam demands special treatment that it, or any other religion, does not deserve. I defend your right to believe what you want, but defend even more strongly my right to be free of your beliefs. Unfortunately the moderates bow to the radicals
well, mohammed was little better then jesus. i mean jesus was like crazy cult leader that was too intrest of children. while mohammed was just man with lot of power. i guess there is no gods or devils, only humans.
"When I read the bible, I was deeply disappointed....the repugnant tales of ignorant bigoted savages"
This is a truly free society for someone to be able to say something like without so much as a fine. Supporting free speech means supporting the right to say things you might not like to hear.
I've read quran right after I read bible...it's fucking insane, more insane than bible(if that is possible). Best example for christian hypocracy,for me, is Jeremiah 10. It's very fun to watch and listen to christians trying to get out of that one.
Ancestor worship, not Hinduism, is the oldest form of religion. Its purpose is the preservation of the Ways of the ancestors - the combined technological skills of of pre-literate peoples - and contains little or no transcendental wisdom. In its earliest form, it incorporates forms of totemism and animism that have no concept of the supernatural - the spirits are all considered to be a part of this world.
One day, just before the white throne Judgement. Jesus will open the Bible and teach from it. He will teach every human who has ever lived and yet not been born again. And they shall learn of Him, the Lamb of God. And then they shall be given the final opportunity to accept Jesus as their King of Kings, Lord of Lords. Will A Ron Ra accept ? We shall all see. If not, then we shall all be witnesses as He stand Before God almighty and gives account of his life, was he good enough to enter in ?
That's also a way to understand it. I believe Kurukshetra translates roughly as "The Battlefield of Righteousness" or something along those lines.
The whole essence is that belief is a personal thing that can be only expressed poetically or artistically, and is thus open to a multitude of interpretations. And in the end it doesn't matter if you're atheist or not, life poses choices and it's up to you to make the right ones, scriptures can only act as very rough guidelines.
AronRA... You claim to have read the Bible and was disappointed. Perhaps you should reread 1 Corinthians 2:14.
This will explain why you have received nothing from it.
You can not get Spiritual Discernment on your own. It only comes from the Holy Spirit. Thus, reading the Bible will provide YOU with nothing while a 12 year old who has the Holy Spirit will understand it. It is a shame that you will die soon and you will learn the TRUTH the hard way.
@bornagain001 Ironically I was 12 when I first started to read it, and because it violated everything that I was told it should be, I prayed for guidance in understanding it. That prayer was answered.
When you and I die, neither of us will know anything anymore. I will stop knowing the truth, and you will have never known it at all.
There was EVIDENCE that O. J. Simpson murdered Nicole Smith....but the jury didn't believe. There is EVIDENCE that the Holocaust really happened but the President of Iran doesn't believe. There was evidence that Joran Vandersloot killed Natalie Holloway in Aruba. So much for EVIDENCE.
Furthermore, there is a difference between ignoring evidence, and a lack of it. Instead of giving an excuse as to why we don't believe in God, why not provide evidence? Something other than personal accounts that contradict each other. No matter how you present it, it's still faith, and faith is not evidence of anything.
@Tsukasamacleod "Instead of giving an excuse as to why we don't believe in God, why not provide evidence?"
Every single miraculously transformed life is evidence of God. That person who used to smoke pot with you, then "found Jesus"....that's evidence of God. The Prostitute, the homosexual, the thief, the murderer...all those people who "got religion" and are totally transformed is evidence of God.
@bornagain001 By your logic, anyone who's life is changed by religion is evidence of their God. What about those who's lives are changed by Hinduism, Scientology, Judaism, Mormonism, Pastafarianism, or Islam? Again, this is merely faith. Faith may give a reason for someone to change who they are, but it is nothing but faith. Concrete evidence would be if your god appeared in front of loads of people, and performed miracles that he could only do if he were truly God.
@Tsukasamacleod "Concrete evidence would be if your god appeared in front of loads of people, and performed miracles that he could only do if he were truly God."
Isn't it ironic that God DID JUST THAT 2000 years ago and people then contributed His miracles to Satan.....always an excuse.
When? There is no mention of these miracles outside of the bible. And other holy books all contain examples of Miracles. Even non-holy books like "Romance of the Three Kingdoms" have such tall tales. No historical evidence of Jesus exists. Indeed, Jesus' Miracles were nothing special compared to some of these. Water to wine? Try Reversing the wind, showing the face of God, or turning a human into a spider.
@bornagain001 If you're admitting that dishonest people can ignore evidence, we know that already. We've seen all the posts from you and your ilk necessary to prove that.
@bornagain001 WHAT IS THE EVIDENCE OF YOUR GOD! SHOW US INSTEAD OF ASSERTING IT!!! And no "LOOK HOW PRETTY AND ORDERED EVERYTHING IS!" isn't good enough!
My MIRACULOUS transformed life is the evidence. If you knew me before Salvation...you would not believe I was the same guy. EVERY transformed life is evidence of God's hand. Could you...JonathanClement...become a Christian on your own? Of course not. That would be impossible!
@bornagain001 NO! That's NOT evidence! Have you ever heard of the placebo effect? No, I couldn't become a Christian on my own: That would require brain damage, something that you probably suffered. Also, by your admission of wanting to torture people for eternity, and thinking that it's just for a judge to sentence an innocent person to death for the crimes of the guilty, then you are NOT a changed person, you are NOT a better person. Even according to the bible, you're still hellbound.
@JonathanClement140 "No, I couldn't become a Christian on my own: That would require brain damage"
CORRECT. It takes a MIRACLE of God for any of us to turn from the SIN which we love so much. Those that are SAVED...certainly do see the evidence of God in our transformation. I was just as rebellious to God as you are now.
@bornagain001 That's right, there wont be! There can't BE because judgement day will never come! So, how can there be excuses on a day that never comes?
Say "BY WHAT AUTHORITY DO YOU KNOW THIS?" Go on. Say it! You know you want to! I dare you! I double dog dare you motherfucker, say "BY WHAT AUTHORITY DO YOU KNOW THIS?" one more God damn time!
@Thulgore "A son...totally out of control on drugs and as a dealer. Arrested and jailed. Totally rebellious to his family and authority....MIRACULOUSLY TRANSFORMED into a person I do not recognize. He is now an "A" student at a prestigious Theological Seminary."
@JonathanClement140 It's useful for 3 things. If you plan on being a University Professor (which he is). If one is going into the ministry (which he is) If one desires "spiritual discernment" instead of listening to the other lost atheists on the internet who are as blind as you are.
@JonathanClement140 "My point is....anyone who holds a DORCTORATE has invested 100's perhpas 1000's of hours into study. You have invested nothing...so you KNOW NOTHING."
@bornagain001 You changed yourself due to a belief in "judgment day"? I'm guessing that. If I feel no need to change myself even if "judgment day" was known to be tomorrow would that make me a bad person and hell-bound? I'm agnostic with paganistic tendencies............I can't follow a bible. Would your god care more about your cowardice or my convictions? Gods of cowards are no gods I could give a shit about what they think.
Well, "truth" is different from one person to the next. You may say it's the facts we think we know, but no matter how rational or irrational, none of us can actually know truth at any point. We may only believe in truths we construe from the facts we observe, but we have no way of knowing how complete a picture those facts paint.
@Gilmaris If i stole the cookie from the cookie jar and someone then said "who stole the cookie from the cookie jar?", do i not know the truth?
Just say we don't know how complete a picture the facts paint, are you honestly suggesting they are any less useful / that we shouldn't use observation as a means of evidence for anything?
There is a difference between facts and truth, which is why I put "truth" in quotes. Facts are objective, truths are not. For example, if I perceived that you owed me a cookie for some reason or other, I might not view it as "stealing", so I could *truthfully* say that I didn't steal it, but rather confiscated it.
At any rate, facts usually need to be interpreted, and the same facts can fit into conflicting theories.
@Gilmaris Disagree. Truths are also objective. What you've described is a mockery of the idea of truth. An idea is true or false regardless of whether we know it or believe it. Just because we believe something does not add a single iota of truth to it, nor does disbelieving it take away an iota of truth.
In your case, the "confiscator" is using poor reasoning and coming to a false, untrue conclusion regarding the cookie, if in fact he is owed no cookie.
This is where I like to quote Indiana Jones: "Archaeology is the search for FACT. Not the 'truth'. If it's truth you're interested in, Dr. Tyree's philosophy class is right down the hall."
Truth is not the same as facts. Facts are true, but what is true isn't necessarily factual. Values, moral norms, meaning of life etc. etc. Truth is indeed very relative. Don't get your empirical science muddled together with abstract philosophy.
At any rate, I do not see how your example is very relevant to what I said. Because in your example, the one who needs to know is the one who ALREADY knows. The one who asks can never know for certain. If I stole the cookie, I can say "no" and you wouldn't have any way of knowing for sure if I was telling the truth, or I could say "yes" and you STILL couldn't know for sure. And that's the position we are in: we are the ones with the questions, not the answers themselves.
@bornagain001 Stop being a fucking douchebag, BA001 and subtly threatening people with "You'll die soon". God damn, you people are such a fucking cancer...
@JonathanClement140 It's not a threat...it's a warning. A threat is somethiong I can carry out. A WARNING is something that will happen to you that is out of my control.
@bornagain001 Nobody is going to "die soon". That's just some bullshit you say to scare people into accepting your dogma. The world isn't a chick tract, and you're not a prophet, and you're NOT persecuted.
@JonathanClement140 ....I never claimed to be a Prophet. I am however one of millions of AMBASSADORS of Christ. 50,000 people will die in the next 24 hours so YES...somebody is going to die soon. The large majority will face Judgment WITHOUT CHRIST as their intercessor. An eternity so horrible...I spend hours warning people about it. The bad thing is...if you reject the messenger...there will be NO EXCUSE for you.
@bornagain001 You're not an ambassador of anything! You're just some inbred, poorly raised hick with no real morals at all as demonstrated by the fact that you would torture people for eternity if only you had the power. You think punishing an innocent person in the place of not one, but many guilty people is just. Your hell was made up by people who saught to control others through fear and guilt.
@bornagain001 "The bad thing is...if you reject the messenger...there will be NO EXCUSE for you." such an awesome plan your god set up. "believe an unbelievable story, delivered by fellow human beings, instead of god himself, or burn in hell forever." if i ever met your god, i would tell him to fuck himself.
@BillKiernan "if i ever met your god, i would tell him to fuck himself."
YOU WILL have that opportunity and the Bible tells us that EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW. This includes you. You talk trash now because your momma did a poor job of raising you. It's a shame that she has to witness what you have become.
@bornagain001 Ah yes. so you must first be mentally determined to believe everything in it is true, THEN read it, and wallah, you believe everything in it to be true and make sense. good plan you guys have going there. fortunately, some of us value actual thought and intellectual honesty.
These books are not to be taken as scientific journals nor history books. There is history and science (in some degree) to any of them; but this is not what they are. They are SPIRITUAL books that speak to SPIRIT on spiritual issues. Kind of like your dreams. Your dreams may sometimes be perverse, confusing or corrupted to your own stand on ethics, feelings, morality etc. However, this is HOW it is trying to tell you something via PARABLE or allegory etc. It is not supposed to be direct.
Wow... aren't you afraid that they will come after you? Church of the SubGenius can be pretty aggressive at times. Damned, Bob worshipers... They might come over and have a beer with you or something. It's horrible (sometimes, they make you pay for your own beer, horrible).
CraniumOnEmpty 1 week ago
"Violence is what you resort to when you have no other options and refuse to concede your failure" Beautifully spoken Aronra.
zfan2591 2 months ago
dud why don't your take your hokey religion and go to hell and try to convert those there, i bet you find mohammad there surfing the flames . some day the flag of freedom will fly in all other arab countries and no islam to be found. dud i will never praise mohammad not on this world or a million like it.
rchasejr2003 3 months ago
dud why don't your take your hokey religion and go to hell and try to convert those there, i bet you find mohammad there surfing the flames . some day the flag of freedom will fly in all other arab countries and no islam to be found.
rchasejr2003 3 months ago
dud why don't your hokey religion and go to hell and try to convert those there, i bet you find mohammad there surfing the flames .
rchasejr2003 3 months ago
Youtube Comment Debates are so productive!
DevilChao5 4 months ago 2
so you don't hate but you still actually do when comes to lies and suffering of "innocents" people... don't you think you need to overcome this too, it's silly to blame a natural behaviour of an human as wrong or evil, enough to set off your irrational hatred, there isn't such a human more "innocent" than another, and liar makes no difference, if you don't like him do something to change him for the good of everyone, him included and if you can't don't blame others but your inability.
cipihevent 5 months ago
There's actually a fourth question the angels will ask: "What is the air-speed velocity of an unladen swallow?"
Akira625 6 months ago
7:52 "So any atheist haters out there talking shit., shut the FUCK up"
I respect you AronRa. You say what you mean and mean what you say. Rationalists should be just that... rational. Threats and violence get nowhere, and militant atheism is just what we DONT need if we want to portray ourselves as tolerant, respectful human beings. You sir, are truly an inspiration and a voice of reason where reason should be the only voice there.
Unh0lySpectre 6 months ago 2
You are a great man. Truly an inspiration.
ThaPremiere1 8 months ago
philhellenes Über Rules, nuff said.
toulouse666 8 months ago
@AronRa "Ridiculous"... Don't you mean "blasphemy"?;)) I'm Joking. First off, god is very vague term. But sure it is scientifically right to say "there is no evidence of Jahwe[or any other deity that is not proven by science]" but it is just as right to say "there is no evidence of no Jahwe". Christians for example believe that their god is in a sense 'in another dimension', thus it is inpossible to prove either, unless you could somehow 'access' this 'god dimension' ;)
KvalnirFox 8 months ago
@KvalnirFox
No, you are wrong. The phrase "positive claims require positive evidence" is really important here. I can claim that a pink unicorn is in my backyard, but you have no reason to believe that claim until it is demonstrated. That's what he was trying to get you to see. People can assert their religious claims all they'd like, but that does NOT make them justified. On the contrary, remaining critical of un-demonstrated (or un-demonstrable) claims is the only reasonable response.
wretcherwretch 8 months ago
@wretcherwr I understand that. But I still don't see any point in believing that there is no pink unicorn in your backyard. I will only not believe unless I see your backyard and it is empty. Belief is a belief, whether negative or positive belief and I always rather know than believe. Better yet if that pink unicorn is invicible and you tell me it can only be seen once and you have used that one time seeing already. Why the hell I would try to prove you wrong when it is impossible thing to do.
KvalnirFox 8 months ago
@KvalnirFox
Read closer. I'm not saying "I believe there is no pink unicorn". I'm saying "I don't believe there is a pink unicorn".
wretcherwretch 8 months ago
@wretcherwretch Those two statements lead to exact same conclusion: No such thing as pink unicorn. And it is a conclusion drawed with no evidense. Sure, i'm not saying it is wrong to not believe everything you are told. But I think the more open/flexible mind you have the better off you are as a researcher, scientist, journalist, philosphist, shaman, whatever. Too many people get stuck on atheism when they 'convert'. There is too much spirituality in the world to just close your eyes to it IMHO.
KvalnirFox 8 months ago
@KvalnirFox
If you wouldn't mind worrying less about the arguing and more about attempting to understand what I'm saying, this would be more fruitful. You're right that the statements lead to the exact same thing, but the onus is on different subjects.If someone claims that there is evidently no god (e.g. there is no evidence for a god), that person is correct.
I'm a scientist, by the way, so I know *intimately* how skepticism works. And it DOES NOT work by accepting until it is disproved.
wretcherwretch 8 months ago
@KvalnirFox you know what i hate? people feeling that atheists don't have open minds because they dont isolate themselves around the idea of a diety watching their every move and protect that idea with as much effort as they did atheism. its hypocracy at it's worst. not saying your calling atheists closed minded just had to get that off my chest, and believ me, i gave god a chance, he didn't show...
shadowrideer 8 months ago
@KvalnirFox it is impossible for science to prove something does not exist. this universe to vast, to uncomprehensably infinite that we can never know prove as fact that a certain something does not exist. science can, on the other hand, prove that things people claim were god's doing are actually the cause of tangible reasonings. if there is a 1 in a billion chance of something happening, that something happening is not god, it is that the 1 billionth chance of success or failure happened
shadowrideer 8 months ago
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Atheism is a religion too.
KvalnirFox 9 months ago
@KvalnirFox No, atheism is not a religion. I know that a judge ruled that -for the purposes of equal treatment- atheism should be considered a religion, but other judges also passed laws against hiring Chinese immigrants. Calling a tail a leg doesn't make it a leg. There are a few religions which are atheist, (Druids, Shaman, Taoists, etc.) but atheism itself cannot be so defined.
AronRa 8 months ago 23
@AronRa Fair enough. Let me reprhase that: Believing that there is no god is as irratiaonal as believing that there is one.
KvalnirFox 8 months ago
Believing that there is no flying celestial pink raccoon which eats dreams is just as irrational as believing there is one.
Right, KvalnirFox?
Makyui 8 months ago
@Makyui Oh but flying celectial pink raccoon does exist. I just made one, in my imagination. ;) Can you prove me wrong? Will you waste your life proving my imagination wrong or maybe just leave a blind space on the F.C.P.R?;)
KvalnirFox 8 months ago
@KvalnirFox So your god only exists in your imagination, too? Well okay then, but that's kind of what we've been saying all along.
Makyui 8 months ago
@Makyui Glad we can agree on this:) I have no god. But if you think about it, imagination is pretty damn powerful thing. Without imagination this world wouldn't even exist;)
KvalnirFox 8 months ago
@KvalnirFox Ummmm if you say so. I mean, maybe if you mean this particular snapshot of the world right now, in all its details, but no, the earth would exist just fine without imagination.
Makyui 8 months ago
@Makyui Yeah. Without human imagination it would be different, but propably it would 'exist' just fine(but does a tree make sound if no-one is listening?). Also, I won't make the bold assumption that imagination is a human thing only.
KvalnirFox 8 months ago
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@KvalnirFox - " Without imagination this world wouldn't even exist"
I think you're trying to appear clever, and philosophical and worldly in that annoying early 20's sort of way. Eventually you'll realize something obvious to everyone else, which is that, it's not working.
KarlHeinzofWpg 8 months ago
@KarlHeinzofWpg Working towards what? Sorry for being annoying in early 20's trying to appear cleve, philosophical and wordly sort of way.
KvalnirFox 8 months ago
@KvalnirFox No. There is absolutely no evidence there is a god. Not believing there is a god is the correct logical conclusion. If you believe in god you do in the absence of evidence.
Somitous 8 months ago
@KvalnirFox wow.. what a scholar. Do you imagine that we've never heard this before? Seriously? Or is it that repetition makes fact?
no2religions 8 months ago
@KvalnirFox By that logic, believing that there is not an invisible candy eating dragon that can't be perceived in any way right behind you at any time, is just as irrational as believing there is one. In both chases there is no evidence for the existence of the subject (God or dragon), and there is no way to check without doubt, if it does exists. The same goes for Santa Claus and all the other imaginary stuff, by your logic its just as irrational to say they don't exists, as to say they do.
socialisticdemo 3 months ago
@AronRa
@{:)->--< behold, mohammad.
Mikeybetts 1 month ago
@KvalnirFox Atheism is a religion...in the same way not collecting stamps is a hobby................
atheistdawn 3 months ago
@KvalnirFox You're an idiot who doesn't understand the meaning of the word "religion".
CarlosMonteiro1985 2 months ago
@CarlosMonteiro1985 Funny how after leaving my little comment my point has been proven many times. People have been desperately posting how idiotic I am and how wrong I am. Smells like fundamentalism.
KvalnirFox 2 months ago
@KvalnirFox Idiots will be idiots.
CarlosMonteiro1985 2 months ago
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WizardTurkey 3 days ago
So you never did say did you get around to reading the Quran?
1WhiteXWolf 9 months ago
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Your conclusions on religion, especially on Hinduism, are laughable to say it in a diplomatic manner. Trying to analyze and form an opinion on ancient pieces of wisdom using modern, rationalist and moralistic standards is beyond pointless. You cannot understand ancient religions unless you study history- the historical context- the languages available and the philosophy behind religion.
What you're doing is not free thinking, but a dogmatic viewing of the world through a narrow keyhole...
mihaimarinescu88 11 months ago
@mihaimarinescu88 If I say "slavery is bad" and read the Bible where God said "have fun enslaving",that means that I'm dogmatic? No, "we" are more moral and smarter than the "wise ancient people".The idea that I have to put myself in their shoes to understand how they were wise is absurd!
R:"Judge, I know you think rape is bad, but please, how would you feel if you were a rapist?"
J:"You're right! Charges of rape dismissed on the basis of context and relative standards!"
R:"Awesome! Thanks!"
badblueman 11 months ago
That rapist example is quite a strawman you created, isn't it ?
Understanding the philosophy of religions (by the way, I didn't even mention the bible) is seeing that the ancients did not have the abstract terms and languages we use at their disposal and that they presented the workings of nature and the universe in allegoric and symbolic terms.
About their morals, they do seem cruel and wicked from today's perspective, but these things happen today too, only in a much more veiled form.
mihaimarinescu88 11 months ago
@mihaimarinescu88 It shouldn't be a strawman. It's what I saw as an implication of your critique. AronRa wasn't making a dissertation on the psychology and beliefs of ancient peoples. He was judging them according to his moral code, as it should be. What's the point of criticizing, (for example) Hitler if you intend to do it from a Nazi perspective.
It's not pointless to use modern standards. It's a necessity. Otherwise we can just let people execute homosexuals, witches, albinos...
badblueman 11 months ago
@badblueman Also, do you have any absolute standard of intelligence and morals ? How do you decide if something is bad in itself, in an absolute way?
mihaimarinescu88 11 months ago
@mihaimarinescu88 I decide on the basis of empathy and logic. As apparently sentient things we cannot act as if we're not. Why? Because I say so.Why listen to me and not the biblical God? That's not up to me. I cannot blame a paedophile for being attracted to some kid. But I can and will judge him on his actions. Science and logical, philosophical thinking bring up difficult concepts and problems which people'd rather see buried under a pile of pseudointellectual buzzwords and religius thinking.
badblueman 11 months ago
@mihaimarinescu88 We are apes. Apes which got a hold of complex cognitive processes and we've been trying to reconcile our pointless existence with our problem solving mechanisms since the beggining. There is no simple answer to the question to morality by use of logic or science alone. It does exist, but we're in the mids of it and it needs a subjective component. We have a thing called empathy, which seeks to make you feel what others feel. It's not perfect, but at least I'm working on it.
badblueman 11 months ago
@badblueman The problem is that you hold reason and logic in awe, while completely discarding the other side of the coin- feeling and intuition. There are some aspects of existence that cannot be reached via objective means- such as reason- although reason is a necessary prerequisite. A materialistic and nihilist perspective of the Universe is just as limited and short-sighted as that of religious fanticism and fundamentalism.
mihaimarinescu88 11 months ago
@mihaimarinescu88 Well that's my thing...I was raised, raised myself in such a manner. I didn't wake up one day and say "from now on I'll be logic-man". I've never really understood the feeling and intuition argument as something I'm apparently missing. I feel things, but I judge them. There is so much I've hallucinated, dreamed, deluded myself into that I don't see what's so good about blind logicless thinking. If that makes me a loser in peoples' eyes, that's their problem. But logic works,no?
badblueman 11 months ago
@mihaimarinescu88 To some degree, I have to agree with your comments. How could a modern westerner truly understand an unfamiliar and completely alien religion, especially one so voluminous? But then you called me 'dogmatic', and that's when your criticism turned to indefensible nonsense. Can you defend that allegation? And how is what I'm doing *not* free thinking? Do you think free thinking forbid me from forming opinions based on what I have read so far?
AronRa 11 months ago 26
@AronRa
Let me guess, we are around one year and a half later.
But you have still not not read the Quran.
You don't learn islam by looking at muslim-behaviour or reading about his followers.
The basics is the Quran. If you are a true critic you should at least read the quran.
I suggest the yusuf ali translation (you wil read through it in a week, hour a day)... for muslim interpretation I suggest Ibn Kathir. when you come across something you dont understand.
Sallam oeleikom - peace be upon u
aladin22 4 months ago
@mihaimarinescu88 Your conclusions on heliocentrism, especially on the earth is flat consept, are laughable to say it in a diplomatic manner. Trying to analyze and form an opinion on ancient pieces of wisdom using modern, rationalist and moralistic standards is beyond pointless. You cannot understand the flat earth consept unless you study history- the historical context- the languages available and the philosophy behind heliocentrism.
You see i cant change words and its still silly ^^
tilemacro 11 months ago
@mihaimarinescu88 So, looking at the context, how do you justify the thought that "killing is ok, since the soul lives on"? Is it a modern misinterpretation? What did it really mean, then?
d007ization 3 months ago
@d007ization: If you are referring to the Bhagavad-Gita, in no passage of it does this idea appear. It is only an infantile straw-man brought up, probably not intentionally but through a total ignorance of the matter, by the author of this video. The B-G is not meant to be read in a positivist manner, like you would do a newspaper article, where every sentence can be taken at face value. The Bible, the Quaran, the Vedas etc etc cannot be understood if studied by the modern, positivist method.
mihaimarinescu88 3 months ago
@mihaimarinescu88 How are they to be studied then? Of course everyone knows that the people that wrote those scriptures didnt have the knowledge that we do today and had to draw conclusions based on their feelings and already existing folklore and philosophy. But looking at it that way doesent really put them in a better light.
d007ization 3 months ago
@d007ization I cannot answer your question, because your ideas of spirituality and religion are too mixed up and born from a false angle. Experimental sciences can never replace spirituality, because they are on different planes altogether. The former cannot
mihaimarinescu88 3 months ago
The former cannot offer knowledge of reality in itself, because, by its very nature, it is limited to studying only a narrow portion of it- the one accessible to the senses. Thus it can only perceive and study effects, the causes and "the thing in itself" forever eludes it.
mihaimarinescu88 3 months ago
@mihaimarinescu88 How can you say for sure that there is a thing?
What we dont perceive through the 5 senses is completely irrelevant, it will never affect us( and of course, everything that happens in the physical world is, indirectly or directly, detectable through the 5 senses).
d007ization 3 months ago
@mihaimarinescu88 Because I explain spirituality through science?
d007ization 3 months ago
That's what I'm talking about. Spiritual matters involve a knowledge of principles and causes that lie at the foundation of the indefinite ramifications of sensible reality. Science is analytical in essence, so it always involves itself with studying limited and contingent fragments that cannot account for the causes.
Anyway, having such a discussion on youtube is worse than pointless, my initial intention was to point out the total lack of understanding of the uploader regarding this subject
mihaimarinescu88 3 months ago
Oh, now I get the title! XP
SabresGuy5 1 year ago
actually zorastianism is the oldest religion in the world.... still basically the same as all the others though
marespand 1 year ago
Humbly I submit - why should I give Islam (or any other religion) tolerance? I live in a world where there is growing influence of Islam. I really worry that Sharia law will creep into my children's world view! Good grief, It's taken so long to get the damn Christians under control and now they (Islam) want laws outside civil law! Sorry but it scares the bejeezus out of me. I'm tolerant just like the French Resistance.
ErlofCambridge 1 year ago
@ErlofCambridge Your channel page says you're from a less than 2% Muslim country, is this still true?
Aletheophile 1 year ago
@Aletheophile - Where on my channel did it say that?! - To be honest I have no idea what the % of the population the Muslim faith is in “my country”, all I know is that it’s growing. I really don’t have any problem with that just as long as this subsection of theists keep their hands off the rule of law (you know - separation of Church & State etc...).Cheers.
ErlofCambridge 1 year ago
@ErlofCambridge Above "recent activity", left of "subscriptions" "Profile... Country: Australia" and then just google the demographics for that country. Did you know wikipedia even has an article dedicated to Islam I Australia? And the situation is similar in most western countries. So horror stories of Muslims coopting western governments or converting westerners en masse seem pretty implausible to me.
Aletheophile 1 year ago
Life is cheap in these belief systems because people died so easily in those early years of civilization and it makes death easier to deal with if life is to be considered so cheaply.
Sadochrist 1 year ago
Dude. I love this video. It's much much better than someone yelling at the camera.
wadawut 1 year ago
In The Name of Allah The Most Gracious The Most Merciful
35:(45) If Allah were to punish men according to what they deserve. He would not leave on the back of the (earth) a single living creature: but He gives them respite for a stated Term: when their Term expires, verily Allah has in His sight all His Servants.
77705000000000000000 1 year ago
But I don't Krsna wanted Arjuna to indiscriminately kill people. Or else it would contradict the moral code he establishes in later chapters. Lets face it, to kill or be killed was a fact of life for the warrior in Bronze age cultures.
ABCshake 1 year ago
That's an interesting take on the Bhagavat gita. But the way I see it, the first couple chapters are about Krsna telling Arjuna to do his duty. If you read the know the background story of the text, you would know that Arjuna was fighting his own cousins. A peace treaty was attempted between the two factions but was rejected by his opponents. So war was the only choice.
ABCshake 1 year ago
PERFORM THE SALUTE!!
Stonehawk 1 year ago
8:00
THANK YOU.
A MILLION TIMES.
Mayokitty7 1 year ago
AronRa pwns MSpaint^^
galbijoe 1 year ago
I knew that the bible was macabre but the writing style is just atrocious! I personally enjoy violent stories and there are way more violent stories and most of them are better written than the bible, and most of them are lacking in substance
MacabreManifesto 1 year ago
Narrated 'Umar Radiyallahu Anh: I heard the Prophet PBUH saying, "Do not exaggerate in praising me as the Christians praised the son of Maryam (Mary)*, for I am only a slave. So call me the slae of Allah and His Messenger." (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Vol.4, Hadith No.654)
* The Christians overpraised 'Isa (Jesus) Alaihissalam till they took him as a god besides Allah.
The blame of idolizing the Prophet lies with the Muslims and not the Prophet himself.
shq007pk 1 year ago
Narrated 'Umar Radiyallahu Anh: I heard the Prophet PBUH saying, "Do not exaggerate in praising me as the Christians praised the son of Maryam (Mary)*, for I am only a slave. So call me the slae of Allah and His Messenger." (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Vol.4, Hadith No.654)
* The Christians overpraised 'Isa (Jesus) Alaihissalam till they took him as a god besides Allah.
shq007pk 1 year ago
It's not a huge surprise that the great Ayaan Hirsi Ali would be an firm supporter of "freedom of expression" ....
.....while also supporting the guy who wants to ban the Islamic holy book. :|
Atripple 1 year ago
I think. if there is a God who can create the universe just by willing it, then he can also make people recognize Muhammad's face even if they've never seen him.
What do you think?
Atripple 1 year ago
@Atripple, Why on earth would he bother? If Allah wants certain people to join him in Heaven, why not just zip their spirits up without further ado?
This whole recognizing-a-pic-of-Muhammad thing is strikingly similar to the ghost stories my friends and I told each other at nine years old and is just as silly and unbelievable.
EyeLean5280 1 year ago
@EyeLean5280 Allah likes to offer a trial before the sentencing.
But don't judge Islam by the "recognize-a-pic-of-Muhammad" thing. It's a minor technicality. Probably disputed. :)
Atripple 1 year ago
@Atripple, but if he's making some people recognize the picture, how is it a fair trial? And again, why bother?
EyeLean5280 1 year ago
@EyeLean5280 I see it as a formality. Obviously God doesn't have to offer a trial, fair or otherwise - because He knows all, but people sentenced to hell will insist that they're being wronged.
But once again - the whole recognize the picture thing is disputed and minor. It's told like a cautionary fairy tale.
The actual "trial" is what we all like to call the "Day of Judgement".
Atripple 1 year ago
@Atripple, I guess God likes formalities. And I guess he's worried about the opinions of people he's sentenced to hell.
I agree the whole things sounds like a fairytale.
EyeLean5280 1 year ago
Quick technical note: Re-using a digital tape over and over too much will result in exactly the video artifacts I'm seeing in your video. I recommend using a head cleaner and investing in some new high-quality tapes, OR, switch to a hard-drive based camera. I hope this helps!
- Adobe Wan Kenobi
brackman71 1 year ago
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I have a question for you. From what i understand there are two main categories that all animals fall into that's Mammals and Reptiles. I understand the majority and difference between this categories to a basic level. However my questions where did the origin of each of these come from? was the same animal? If so was it a reptile or a mammal?
Thank you for the time.
MnE4life 1 year ago
I have a question for you. From what i understand there are two main categories that all animals fall into that's Mammals and Reptiles. I understand the majority and difference between this categories to a basic level. However my questions where did the origin of each of these come from? was the same animal? If so was it a reptile or a mammal?
Thank you for the time.
MnE4life 1 year ago
@MnE4life I believe life itself originated in space, as amino acids have been found in space rock. Bacteria was around on earth and other small life forms, until oxygen became our planets main gas, replacing sulfur. The bacteria that was left would evolve depending on it's surroundings, thus forming the first major differences between life.
GTagun187 1 year ago
I have a question for you. From what i understand there are two main categories that all animals fall into that's Mammals and Reptiles. I understand the majority and difference between this categories to a basic level. However my questions where did the origin of each of these come from? was the same animal? If so was it a reptile or a mammal?
Thank you for the time.
MnE4life 1 year ago
thats the best picture of Muhammad i have ever seen....
mfjeff 1 year ago
On one hand, I agree that we need to try to be inclusive.On the other hand aggressively attacking a dogmatic ideology that you see working its way into your culture is something I'd have to support.
We can talk all we want about understanding and integration, but when your attempts at peaceful coexistence are met with demands that you subjugate yourself to the wishes the "other", aggressive defense is the only moral action. I never claimed to represent anyone but myself, so no, I won't STFU.
Jusoon 1 year ago
well, in order to address the questions, doubts and other so called facts, typing isnt going to help, but I admire you do have made some great points one should consider.. Anyway, there may be 10000's of poets but that doesnt mean what they express in correct. I'm saying this cuz you quoted the poet and he is wrong.. we dont pray to the prophet or ask through the prophet for anything, we r supposed to ask God directly. I respect yr views and opinions of other religions, anyway my time is up..
02mrhifh 1 year ago
3:36 pronunciation pownage
LooneyLopez 1 year ago
Ever been to Iran? Ever visited the Topkapi Palaca in Istanbul? You will see many images of muhammed there. It's complete nonsense of muslims to get their nipples in a binch about the depiction of muhammed. Even in hadiths you can see his image. They are just a bunch of crybabies.
SicSeb 1 year ago
Interesting take on the Gita. I'm glad to finally see some criticism of it. I was raised Hindu, and whereas I still hold a degree of attachment to its philosophy (and as you can imagine, I disagree to an extent with your assessment of the Gita), I still think it is an exceptionally flawed religion that is far too exalted by somewhat naive westerners with a flavour for the exotic.
InfernalApocalypse 1 year ago
All religion is superstition. Whether it's Hinduism or Scientology. It's all crap. If you have an immortal soul or not is a different question & something that every religion tried to claim, dominate, threaten or extinguish, all in their own self interest. Islam demands special treatment that it, or any other religion, does not deserve. I defend your right to believe what you want, but defend even more strongly my right to be free of your beliefs. Unfortunately the moderates bow to the radicals
drreedindeed 1 year ago
Your title is funny. It sounds like it'd be the title of some comedy show with Muslims that would air on Fox or CBS.
xIegionx 1 year ago
well, mohammed was little better then jesus. i mean jesus was like crazy cult leader that was too intrest of children. while mohammed was just man with lot of power. i guess there is no gods or devils, only humans.
gooddarkjedi 1 year ago
Praise "Bob-hammad."
SZalewski 1 year ago
"When I read the bible, I was deeply disappointed....the repugnant tales of ignorant bigoted savages"
This is a truly free society for someone to be able to say something like without so much as a fine. Supporting free speech means supporting the right to say things you might not like to hear.
JanusChristIsRisen 1 year ago
LOLZ wow, when he said he respected a fellow youtuber I said to myself "I bet it's desertphile" swear to god (no pun)
dratsabREVIEWS 1 year ago
I've read quran right after I read bible...it's fucking insane, more insane than bible(if that is possible). Best example for christian hypocracy,for me, is Jeremiah 10. It's very fun to watch and listen to christians trying to get out of that one.
Rusvi1 1 year ago
@Rusvi1 " Best example for christian hypocracy,for me, is Jeremiah 10."
What's the problem with Jeremiah 10?
bornagain001 1 year ago
@bornagain001 Cristmas tree - if you are going to follow the bible(word of god), then you better folow ALL ~ 600 fucking rules in it.
Rusvi1 1 year ago
Ancestor worship, not Hinduism, is the oldest form of religion. Its purpose is the preservation of the Ways of the ancestors - the combined technological skills of of pre-literate peoples - and contains little or no transcendental wisdom. In its earliest form, it incorporates forms of totemism and animism that have no concept of the supernatural - the spirits are all considered to be a part of this world.
pirbird14 1 year ago
One day, just before the white throne Judgement. Jesus will open the Bible and teach from it. He will teach every human who has ever lived and yet not been born again. And they shall learn of Him, the Lamb of God. And then they shall be given the final opportunity to accept Jesus as their King of Kings, Lord of Lords. Will A Ron Ra accept ? We shall all see. If not, then we shall all be witnesses as He stand Before God almighty and gives account of his life, was he good enough to enter in ?
hobo59 1 year ago
lol, your drawing makes me think more of lawrence of arabia than mohammed.
htoontube 1 year ago
Isn't Jainism older than Hinduism?
Mustex4 1 year ago
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@aflakyan
That's also a way to understand it. I believe Kurukshetra translates roughly as "The Battlefield of Righteousness" or something along those lines.
The whole essence is that belief is a personal thing that can be only expressed poetically or artistically, and is thus open to a multitude of interpretations. And in the end it doesn't matter if you're atheist or not, life poses choices and it's up to you to make the right ones, scriptures can only act as very rough guidelines.
didjabringadidjalong 1 year ago
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Schn4rlf 1 year ago
AronRA... You claim to have read the Bible and was disappointed. Perhaps you should reread 1 Corinthians 2:14.
This will explain why you have received nothing from it.
You can not get Spiritual Discernment on your own. It only comes from the Holy Spirit. Thus, reading the Bible will provide YOU with nothing while a 12 year old who has the Holy Spirit will understand it. It is a shame that you will die soon and you will learn the TRUTH the hard way.
bornagain001 1 year ago
@bornagain001 Ironically I was 12 when I first started to read it, and because it violated everything that I was told it should be, I prayed for guidance in understanding it. That prayer was answered.
When you and I die, neither of us will know anything anymore. I will stop knowing the truth, and you will have never known it at all.
AronRa 1 year ago 10
"When you and I die, neither of us will know anything anymore. I will stop knowing the truth, and you will have never known it at all."
By WHAT AUTHORITY do you know this to be true?
bornagain001 1 year ago
@bornagain001 We don't know anything on 'authority', only evidence. And your assumed authority is not evident.
AronRa 1 year ago 4
@AronRa
There was EVIDENCE that O. J. Simpson murdered Nicole Smith....but the jury didn't believe. There is EVIDENCE that the Holocaust really happened but the President of Iran doesn't believe. There was evidence that Joran Vandersloot killed Natalie Holloway in Aruba. So much for EVIDENCE.
bornagain001 1 year ago
@bornagain001
Again, you move the goalposts. This has nothing to do with the existence of God. Try to focus on a single topic.
Tsukasamacleod 1 year ago
@bornagain001
Furthermore, there is a difference between ignoring evidence, and a lack of it. Instead of giving an excuse as to why we don't believe in God, why not provide evidence? Something other than personal accounts that contradict each other. No matter how you present it, it's still faith, and faith is not evidence of anything.
Tsukasamacleod 1 year ago
@Tsukasamacleod "Instead of giving an excuse as to why we don't believe in God, why not provide evidence?"
Every single miraculously transformed life is evidence of God. That person who used to smoke pot with you, then "found Jesus"....that's evidence of God. The Prostitute, the homosexual, the thief, the murderer...all those people who "got religion" and are totally transformed is evidence of God.
bornagain001 1 year ago
@bornagain001 By your logic, anyone who's life is changed by religion is evidence of their God. What about those who's lives are changed by Hinduism, Scientology, Judaism, Mormonism, Pastafarianism, or Islam? Again, this is merely faith. Faith may give a reason for someone to change who they are, but it is nothing but faith. Concrete evidence would be if your god appeared in front of loads of people, and performed miracles that he could only do if he were truly God.
Tsukasamacleod 1 year ago
@Tsukasamacleod "Concrete evidence would be if your god appeared in front of loads of people, and performed miracles that he could only do if he were truly God."
Isn't it ironic that God DID JUST THAT 2000 years ago and people then contributed His miracles to Satan.....always an excuse.
bornagain001 1 year ago
@bornagain001
When? There is no mention of these miracles outside of the bible. And other holy books all contain examples of Miracles. Even non-holy books like "Romance of the Three Kingdoms" have such tall tales. No historical evidence of Jesus exists. Indeed, Jesus' Miracles were nothing special compared to some of these. Water to wine? Try Reversing the wind, showing the face of God, or turning a human into a spider.
Tsukasamacleod 1 year ago
@bornagain001 If you're admitting that dishonest people can ignore evidence, we know that already. We've seen all the posts from you and your ilk necessary to prove that.
AronRa 1 year ago 6
@bornagain001 WHAT IS THE EVIDENCE OF YOUR GOD! SHOW US INSTEAD OF ASSERTING IT!!! And no "LOOK HOW PRETTY AND ORDERED EVERYTHING IS!" isn't good enough!
JonathanClement140 1 year ago
@JonathanClement140
My MIRACULOUS transformed life is the evidence. If you knew me before Salvation...you would not believe I was the same guy. EVERY transformed life is evidence of God's hand. Could you...JonathanClement...become a Christian on your own? Of course not. That would be impossible!
bornagain001 1 year ago
@bornagain001 NO! That's NOT evidence! Have you ever heard of the placebo effect? No, I couldn't become a Christian on my own: That would require brain damage, something that you probably suffered. Also, by your admission of wanting to torture people for eternity, and thinking that it's just for a judge to sentence an innocent person to death for the crimes of the guilty, then you are NOT a changed person, you are NOT a better person. Even according to the bible, you're still hellbound.
JonathanClement140 1 year ago
@JonathanClement140 "No, I couldn't become a Christian on my own: That would require brain damage"
CORRECT. It takes a MIRACLE of God for any of us to turn from the SIN which we love so much. Those that are SAVED...certainly do see the evidence of God in our transformation. I was just as rebellious to God as you are now.
bornagain001 1 year ago
@bornagain001 Brain damage is a tragedy, not a miracle.
JonathanClement140 1 year ago
@JonathanClement140
It's got to be frustrating to not be able to explain it or even understand it, isn't it Jonathan.
bornagain001 1 year ago
@bornagain001 PLACEBO EFFECT. A changed life isn't impressive at all!
JonathanClement140 1 year ago
@JonathanClement140 "ALWAYS AN EXCUSE". There will be no excuses on Judgment Day.
bornagain001 1 year ago
@bornagain001 That's right, there wont be! There can't BE because judgement day will never come! So, how can there be excuses on a day that never comes?
Say "BY WHAT AUTHORITY DO YOU KNOW THIS?" Go on. Say it! You know you want to! I dare you! I double dog dare you motherfucker, say "BY WHAT AUTHORITY DO YOU KNOW THIS?" one more God damn time!
JonathanClement140 1 year ago
I don't need to ask it. It's in your head and you have no answer. It's merely "what you believe" which you will find out the hard way....WAS WRONG!
bornagain001 1 year ago
@bornagain001 why do you believe? I ask it sincerely.
Thulgore 1 year ago
@Thulgore "A son...totally out of control on drugs and as a dealer. Arrested and jailed. Totally rebellious to his family and authority....MIRACULOUSLY TRANSFORMED into a person I do not recognize. He is now an "A" student at a prestigious Theological Seminary."
bornagain001 1 year ago
@bornagain001 OH, PFT PFT PFT... Theology! Yeah, THAT'S a useful subject in life!
JonathanClement140 1 year ago
@JonathanClement140 It's useful for 3 things. If you plan on being a University Professor (which he is). If one is going into the ministry (which he is) If one desires "spiritual discernment" instead of listening to the other lost atheists on the internet who are as blind as you are.
bornagain001 1 year ago
@bornagain001 So, it's useless then.
JonathanClement140 1 year ago
@JonathanClement140 What degrees do YOU hold and from which Universities?
bornagain001 1 year ago
@bornagain001 None, but that's irrelevant. Now you're going to try and ad hominem me with that, aren't you?
JonathanClement140 1 year ago
@JonathanClement140 "My point is....anyone who holds a DORCTORATE has invested 100's perhpas 1000's of hours into study. You have invested nothing...so you KNOW NOTHING."
bornagain001 1 year ago
@bornagain001 Yeah, because we ALL know that having a degree is the only way that you can POSSIBLE know anything!
JonathanClement140 1 year ago
@bornagain001 You changed yourself due to a belief in "judgment day"? I'm guessing that. If I feel no need to change myself even if "judgment day" was known to be tomorrow would that make me a bad person and hell-bound? I'm agnostic with paganistic tendencies............I can't follow a bible. Would your god care more about your cowardice or my convictions? Gods of cowards are no gods I could give a shit about what they think.
Thulgore 1 year ago
@AronRa
Well, "truth" is different from one person to the next. You may say it's the facts we think we know, but no matter how rational or irrational, none of us can actually know truth at any point. We may only believe in truths we construe from the facts we observe, but we have no way of knowing how complete a picture those facts paint.
Gilmaris 1 year ago
@Gilmaris If i stole the cookie from the cookie jar and someone then said "who stole the cookie from the cookie jar?", do i not know the truth?
Just say we don't know how complete a picture the facts paint, are you honestly suggesting they are any less useful / that we shouldn't use observation as a means of evidence for anything?
I find your point rather mute :S
SuchHeroicNonsense 1 year ago
@SuchHeroicNonsense
There is a difference between facts and truth, which is why I put "truth" in quotes. Facts are objective, truths are not. For example, if I perceived that you owed me a cookie for some reason or other, I might not view it as "stealing", so I could *truthfully* say that I didn't steal it, but rather confiscated it.
At any rate, facts usually need to be interpreted, and the same facts can fit into conflicting theories.
And I think you mean "moot", not "mute".
Gilmaris 1 year ago
@Gilmaris Disagree. Truths are also objective. What you've described is a mockery of the idea of truth. An idea is true or false regardless of whether we know it or believe it. Just because we believe something does not add a single iota of truth to it, nor does disbelieving it take away an iota of truth.
In your case, the "confiscator" is using poor reasoning and coming to a false, untrue conclusion regarding the cookie, if in fact he is owed no cookie.
GoblinKnightLeo 1 year ago
@GoblinKnightLeo
This is where I like to quote Indiana Jones: "Archaeology is the search for FACT. Not the 'truth'. If it's truth you're interested in, Dr. Tyree's philosophy class is right down the hall."
Truth is not the same as facts. Facts are true, but what is true isn't necessarily factual. Values, moral norms, meaning of life etc. etc. Truth is indeed very relative. Don't get your empirical science muddled together with abstract philosophy.
Gilmaris 1 year ago
@Gilmaris Disagree again. The analytic/synthetic dichotomy is false, and all truths are factual.
You and George Lucas are using a bad definition of truth.
GoblinKnightLeo 1 year ago
@Gilmaris Truth is an analysis of fact, and because of the human element involved, it remains arguable. But that it is factual hasn't changed.
GoblinKnightLeo 1 year ago
@SuchHeroicNonsense
At any rate, I do not see how your example is very relevant to what I said. Because in your example, the one who needs to know is the one who ALREADY knows. The one who asks can never know for certain. If I stole the cookie, I can say "no" and you wouldn't have any way of knowing for sure if I was telling the truth, or I could say "yes" and you STILL couldn't know for sure. And that's the position we are in: we are the ones with the questions, not the answers themselves.
Gilmaris 1 year ago
@bornagain001 Stop being a fucking douchebag, BA001 and subtly threatening people with "You'll die soon". God damn, you people are such a fucking cancer...
JonathanClement140 1 year ago
@JonathanClement140 It's not a threat...it's a warning. A threat is somethiong I can carry out. A WARNING is something that will happen to you that is out of my control.
bornagain001 1 year ago
@bornagain001 Nobody is going to "die soon". That's just some bullshit you say to scare people into accepting your dogma. The world isn't a chick tract, and you're not a prophet, and you're NOT persecuted.
JonathanClement140 1 year ago
@JonathanClement140 ....I never claimed to be a Prophet. I am however one of millions of AMBASSADORS of Christ. 50,000 people will die in the next 24 hours so YES...somebody is going to die soon. The large majority will face Judgment WITHOUT CHRIST as their intercessor. An eternity so horrible...I spend hours warning people about it. The bad thing is...if you reject the messenger...there will be NO EXCUSE for you.
bornagain001 1 year ago
@bornagain001 You're not an ambassador of anything! You're just some inbred, poorly raised hick with no real morals at all as demonstrated by the fact that you would torture people for eternity if only you had the power. You think punishing an innocent person in the place of not one, but many guilty people is just. Your hell was made up by people who saught to control others through fear and guilt.
JonathanClement140 1 year ago
@bornagain001 "The bad thing is...if you reject the messenger...there will be NO EXCUSE for you." such an awesome plan your god set up. "believe an unbelievable story, delivered by fellow human beings, instead of god himself, or burn in hell forever." if i ever met your god, i would tell him to fuck himself.
BillKiernan 1 year ago
@BillKiernan "if i ever met your god, i would tell him to fuck himself."
YOU WILL have that opportunity and the Bible tells us that EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW. This includes you. You talk trash now because your momma did a poor job of raising you. It's a shame that she has to witness what you have become.
bornagain001 1 year ago
@bornagain001 i'm shaking in my boots.
BillKiernan 1 year ago
@bornagain001 Ah yes. so you must first be mentally determined to believe everything in it is true, THEN read it, and wallah, you believe everything in it to be true and make sense. good plan you guys have going there. fortunately, some of us value actual thought and intellectual honesty.
BillKiernan 1 year ago
@BillKiernan . "fortunately, some of us value actual thought and intellectual honesty."
"Professing THEMSELVES to be wise, THEY became FOOLS." Romans 1:22
Kind hits the nail on the head doesn't it.
bornagain001 1 year ago
Bobhamad I love it!!!!
taoism23 1 year ago
Wow, that was classic!
Using Bob, from the fabled Church of the Subgenius as the base for Mohamad...Oh man, I'm still laughing!
Thank you Aron, I needed that.
And very good points made in the video...as alway, very nicely done.
Talondas 1 year ago
These books are not to be taken as scientific journals nor history books. There is history and science (in some degree) to any of them; but this is not what they are. They are SPIRITUAL books that speak to SPIRIT on spiritual issues. Kind of like your dreams. Your dreams may sometimes be perverse, confusing or corrupted to your own stand on ethics, feelings, morality etc. However, this is HOW it is trying to tell you something via PARABLE or allegory etc. It is not supposed to be direct.
matrix13thfloor 1 year ago