@johnathonmelby How did the forest area become covered with corn then? What happens to the the trees? I live an a naturally forested area. People grow corn here. Corn isn't just grown in great plains where only grass grows. It is grown where there would be forest. Don't you see patches of forest in my video?
your just a stupid tree hugger. You always have to mention a forest being cut down every other sentence it seems like. you dont burn corn either, and do you think that all the corn produced is turned straight into ethanol? FALSE. Plus the midwest wasn't a forestland either, it was nothin but grassland. I agree that ethanol is a bad idea, but i dont agree with one word you said, period.
@simracr94 This video is so old. I can't believe people are still commenting on it. Well, There are parts of the Midwest that are planes and there are other parts that are forested. Many of the fields I drive through have an acre or two of forest scattered between them here and there. Don't tell me people planted those trees. I happen to live in a place where they grow corn and this is definitely a forest area.
The real ecological nightmare is industrial agriculture. Switching to organic-style crop rotation will cut energy use on farms by a third or more: no more petroleum-based herbicides, pesticides, or chemical fertilizers. Fertilizer needs can be served either by applying the byproducts left over from the alcohol manufacturing process directly to the soil, or by first running the byproducts through animals as feed.
In fact, its oil that has a negative EROEI. Because oil is both the raw material and the energy source for production of gasoline, it comes out to about 20% negative. Thats just common sense; some of the oil is itself used up in the process of refining and delivering it (from the Persian Gulf, a distance of 11,000 miles in tanker travel).And oil makes a bit of a mess when its spilled ,RIP gulf of mexico .
Just say no to Middle East Terrorist in Saudi Arabia. Of course, I know the Oil Supporters want to live in fear from day to day wondering if they will be killed by oil funded terrorism. Long Live the Terrorist!!!!! Infidel Pigs!!!! Keep buying our oil and support us. Look at your economy, you cant keep a job the US, you dont want domestic energy, you want us to have it! Alah is great....hahahahha
Who cut down the forest? Don't assume everything was forest. I would say the majority of corn fields in this country were prairie not forests. Infact a lot of the trees where I am from were planted for shelter from the winds. By the way you sound like you may have been drinking some of that Jim Beam!
Thank you for posting this video! I totally agree with you. PLANT SOME TREES, PEOPLE!!!! when will they ever learn to plant TREES!!!! Now, if you want to be free from this oil industry invent stuff like this Aptera Typ-1 car. My 2 cents - my honda accord consistently gets WORSE mpg on this stupid ethanol mix, the car's system is sophisticated enough to burn the regular fuel efficiently. worse mpg - more fuel burned - more pollution...
I've recently come to favor the idea of putting electric rail in roads. It would be an infrastructure investment on the order of hundreds of Billions, but divide that by each car on the road and it is a small investment. Electric generators, lines, and motors are much more efficient at turning coal into locomotion than engines are at turning gas into it. This means there is a financial pay off. Also, you could run trucks with this technology. They already run trains with it.
Its not about the environment...its about balancing the different fuels we use so we dont depend on just oil. Ethanol is renewable and thats why we want to start producing it, not because it produces less CO2, thats just a sales pitch for the govrnmt.
Yeah goose, now, the so called "free market" is using the state, the tax-payer's money, to save private banks. Why don't you let the so called "free-market" work and let all these banks go down? huh? Explain now if you can.
That would certainly speed things up a bit. In Japan, there economy languished in the dumps for more than a decade because of this kind of government intervention. How do you like your standard of living? How would you like for it to go down a bit and stay that way for 10 or more years?
Wrong goose. If the government doesnt do anything, a financial collapse will take place. It will be worse than languishing in the dumps for a decade. You know that. The president knows that. All the world knows that. Only the naive free-market defenders dont know that. Got it now?
Also, we wouldn't bee in this situation in the first place if the fed hadn't gone too far with short term interest rates 5 years ago. It's not the Fed's fault though. They were following instructions from congress.
The federal Reserve is a PRIVATE Delaware Corporation and does not have any Congressional oversight and makes it decisions in private and does not answer to the Congress. The president gets to pick a chairman for the Federal Reserve from a list of people prepared by the Federal Reserve. They are no more federal than Federal Express. Good video too, I for one hate Corn Ethanol. It's energy negative and will collapse when the subsidies subside, just like they did in the 80's.
HAHAHA! so, if it's a private corporation why does the Congress have to approve the 700 billion dollars help? huh? If it's private why Is the President worried about this issue? Damn dude, go learn somethin... get yourself educated and post somethin useful.
Actually everything the fed does is because the congress told it to in the past. It is more government than private. The reason they separated Congress from the day to day decisions is because they would run it even worse than it is run now. I'm in favor of letting Milton Freedman's laptop run it.
@christo930 The most exhaustive study on ethanol’s EROEI, by Isaias de Carvalho Macedo, shows an alcohol energy return of more than eight units of output for every unit of input—and this study accounts for everything right down to smelting the ore to make the steel for tractors.
@hotmichael3358 What is the feedstock and what farming methods are being used? I am specifically talking about corn ethanol grown in the US and processed in the uS.
@christo930 Also, fermenting the corn to alcohol results in more meat than if you fed the corn directly to the cattle. We can actually increase the meat supply by first processing corn into alcohol, which only takes 28% of the starch, leaving all the protein and fat, creating a higher-quality animal feed than the original corn.
@christo930 I agree with that , and we shouldent be eating cattle we should be hunting wild buffalo that used to number in the millions on are great plains , but unfortunatly we the white men have screwed this country up pretty bad , now we must wake up, and get the crazy dark greedy ones out of power , the oil companies !
@donze52 Doesn't the feeding of cattle with corn make them more susceptible to bacteria and such making it necessary to give them high doses of antibiotics, and poor nutrition make it necessary to shoot them up with growth hormones, or am I grossly misinformed on this? Is roundup really used as the main weed killer in large scale agriculture? Doesn't that "poison" the soil where our food is being grown?
RANGE FED CATTLE ARE FOR THE MOST PART HEALTHY, BUT ONCE IN FEED LOTS, LOOK OUT,
ANTI BIOTICS ARE A MUST. EACH ARE TESTED AND PROVEN SAFE, BUT SINCE MANY ARE
MIXED GOD ONLY KNOWS.
ROUND UP KILLS EVERYTHING BUT MONSATO MESSED WITH THE DNA OF CORN AND MADE IT
NO LONGER ABLE TO BE KILLED BY ROUND UP, THE PROBLEM IS A BAG OF CORN WAS ABOUT 100 A BAG IS NOW NEARING $300 OR MORE. MONSATO ALSO TARGETS FARMS NOT USING SEED AND ROUND UP AND SUES THEM. MUCH HATE IS AIMED AT MONSTATO.
@donze52 WOW. I didn't know that Monsanto created a strain of corn that wouldn't die from the ingredients in roundup. Has their been any testing of the corn that is treated with this stuff to see if it ends up in the corn we eat or the cows we eat that were fed with this shit which eventually end up on our plates?
Brazil sells ethanol for about 2 bucks a gallon, Gas with 25% Ethanol is 5 bucks. There are no other choices in Brazil.
88 percent of vehicles are flex fuel in Brazil, what fuel would You use?
There are 20 crops that can grow in America with more output than corn. Read "Alcohol can be a gas" by Blume and see ethanol output from 300 gpa to 7500 gpa. Big Oil has been laying it on thick. paste and add a "dot" tinyurl com/5l4qtp
Every time I see an electric car I have to wonder where the power will come from. Coal burning? From dams? ? Wind mills? We'd better look at the bigger picture before we make moves on this chess board...
Brazil is the 8th oil consumer in the entire world.... so, look for another excuse goose.. and pay the price dude... pay the price... Brazil imports ZERO Got it?
It cracks me up how people think I just come out of my ass with these facts/numbers. The U.S. uses 20,730,000 bbl/day Brazil uses 2,100,000 bbl/day. If you multiply Brazil's consumption by 10 you get what the U.S. is using--off by 1.3% That's pretty damn spot on.
And it's burned down an irreplaceable rain forest that most probably has cures for just about every disease known to man to do it, release billions of tons of CO2 into the atmosphere in the process. Now they have found a very large oil field near Rio and they will become a net oil exporter. With their own oil, I hope they will stop the madness.
the rain forrest problem has nothing to do with sugar cane ethanol. The problem there is related to cattle and wood industries. get your facts straight.
So goose, now US$ 130,00 a barrel of oil... US$ 5,00 a gallon of gas... and the only thing you've got to say is: say no to ethanol.. damn goose... youre a complete dumbass.
Youre pathetic cos you dont propose any alternative.. a feasible one. Biofuels can be done now. Here in Brazil we dont have to import oil. You are being robbed and have no alternative to say... so, pay the prize dude.. pay the prize and do not complain!
This guy is right on! Isn't it funny how we decry the third world destruction of the rain forests, yet we are doing the same thing across our midwest with the apparent approval of our corrupt business-political system..These videos look almost like forests compared to what has happened in the last year here in Illinois..
Im with you bud. THis is an overpopulation issue. quit eating or using any corn. I notice how you stumble for answers. Overpopulation. Make a vid about it.
Say yes, to the petroleum to 130 dollars the gallon, you prefer like this.Your largest problem, is that they extract the ethanol of the corn here not a food, we not extracted of a vegetable used as food, it is more efficient than the corn, the motors of low potency with the ethanol are more potent.
It is not wise to grow anything and use it as fuel. If you can turn waste into fuel that would be ok. No mater what, if you are growing stuff, you are hurting the envirionment and you will never be able to grow enough.
You know how many of these things have come out to be true, after I made this video. What is pathetic is that people still believe the ethanol is good. Meanwhile farmers are getting rich and people in poor countries have having food riots.
oh. just a side note. do research on hemp. then lets see a video against that. honestly. i dare you. hit me up when you get an intelligent argument for hemp. corn, has some viable downfalls. correct. But hey. hemp will save the world.
How about this research? It takes several decades for any crop to return to the soil, the amount of carbon that is released when new soil is turned over. Algae might be a good substitute.
heres a little figure for you. One acre of corn makes about... 150 gal. of bio desil. Hemp plants make near 300 per acre. Hemp also requires NO fertilizer or pest control. The land mass in montana alone,taking no land from farmers, were just talking STATE CRP (look it up- which is just used for prevention of errosion, aka the 30's) if you were to plant hemp all non-used state land, it would fuel the united states on that land alone. I live in montana i've done the reasearch. as should you.
I don't know what will happen in the future but for now we have Brazilian ethanol blocked. I think we do this with taxes. This is BS. If they want to sell us ethanol I think we should be allowed to buy it.
Ethanol does not have a positive energy return. Some of the often quoted studies do not account for all of the inputs such as machinery, ethanol plant infrastructure, or irrigation.
Google "Thermodynamics of the corn-ethanol biofuel cycle"
Also both ethanol and biofuels create a lot of environmental damage. For example, large areas of rainforest in Indonesia are being destroyed for biofuels.
I think the truth is starting to leak out into the mainstream. I'm hearing more and more mentions of the negative energy return from reputable people. I think we are one reseccion away from a crash in the desire for ethanol growth. Oil is already in the $80s, down 10% from it's high. That said ethanol will be with us for a long time. It's hard to ween people off dependencies.
In Brazil, all sugacane farms machinery runs with biofuel and ethanol.. so, I recommend to look for another excuse. Brazilian ethanol plants burn ETHANOL. Eletric energy is produced from bagasse over there. Again, look for another excuse.
I love when people say: ethanol causes damage then lets keep doin our imense damage heating the planet through the burning of gas and oil.
I think if you are going to make a claim in a forum, you should at least give some effort to explain it. I do. Not that a 500 character comment section can touch the scam theory.
yeah goose... What about paying 5 dollars per gallon of gasoline? huh? does it hurt your pocket? HAHAHAHA! Well, here in Brazil, a gallon of ethanol costs something around 2 dollars... then you continue to say no to ethanol? HAHAHAHAHA! Goose, you must be kiddin... HAHAHA!
Joe, you are very stupid. You are blaming the production of ethanol on the destruction of old growth forests. Old growth forests were destroyed long before we discovered ethanol. Would you rather have us keep shipping oil from the middle east to make fuel to run this nation? Do some research and get the facts before you shoot your mouth off....stupid tree hugger. Your and everyone elses ancestors who settled her in the U.S. cut down the forests so shut up!!
The thing about forests is if you don't keep cutting them, they grow back. I definitely don't think cutting them caused us to produce ethanol. How about the fact that it takes more oil to produce ethanol than we offset by making it?
How about the fact that 30% of our corn crop is devoted to ethanol, it only produces a tiny amount of fuel, and if we want to produce any significant amount of ethanol--we are going to have to plane more corn or something else. We will have to cover several more states with crops to fuel us.
I love when people try to start debates with meaningless insults.
ethanol takes 12,000 gallons of water to make one gallon of gas. You're talking within one generation sucking every farms resources dry. for private interests.
check mike gravels latest video. Mikes totally giving the ethanol movement the finger. send him some money so he can keep exposing these bastards for what they are.
Just one thing dude At the end.... That was their before Ethanol came into the picture. Fact of the matter is we are just one of the world's Biggest corn exporters.
Hey, I just learned a new stat. A third of our corn crop goes to ethanol. Very little of our fuel is ethanol though. The point of the video is not about the corn that is there. It is about the many more states we would have to cover with corn in order to make a scratch in our fuel consumption. In fact I think I said something about what we use corn for in the video.
The people who turn plant waste into ethanol seem to have a viable process. They sent me info after seeing this video. I'm not convinced there will ever be a good reason to grow fuel even if you can make it energy positive for reasons stated in my second video. I new info on the second video and I might make a third.
we are all now stupider now from watching this. But really on a serious note, this country was already a world leading producer of corn and you really make no logic solid fight. Next time actually do the numbers and figure out the co2 footprint of ethanol to oil. Sidenote ethanol burns cleaner than oil. So all i have to say is wow... you are retarded.
If you leave out all the oil that goes into making corn, you do get a smaller carbon footprint with ethanol. If you include all the oil you find that the footprint is about the same or even worse for corn ethanol. We already use all the corn planted, if we want to make more corn ethanol, we are going to have to plant more corn.
No, you dont. In fact , you dont have a goddamn clue about anything related to these issues dude... get sober then go read something about biofuels and Brazil HAHAHAHAHA!
Stop sayin what people should not do and propose somethin dude... youre that type of guy who thinks could say what people should not do but doesnt say anynthing they should do. At least, the ethanol defenders are proposing something. And, I wont argue with you.. I can tell this: America has scientists that support ethanol solution (wich we must say its not the only one solution but part of it) and say it is a feasible one. Stop whinnin and do somethin dude....
HAHAHAHA! youre funny dude! Listen, market is very good when the issue is "share profits". But when we need to "share losses", then the market disappears. Remember the 1929 stock market collapse! The government saved american economy. This is the question dude. We are facing a global threatening that could kill us all. WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING.
Actually it was the government that turned the recession of that era into the great depression. Markets would have worked fine if they had been left alone. Where-ever you find a market failure, you can almost always find government manipulation. See this artical Great Myths of the Great Depression. Link in my info section.
No you don't... First of all, planting corn removes CO2, burning ethonal puts it back... It's a cycle that isn't to dissimular from the natural CO2 cycle. Gasoline takes CO2 from millions of years ago and puts it into the atmosphere. (This is B*A*D) If we and no more "accumulative" CO2 the trees will eventually cycle out the eccess. Read about it!
Planting corn burns Co2--tractor. Fertilizing corn burns Co2. Irrigateing burns Co2. When it grows, it it removes Co2. Then harvesting corn burns Co2. Making Ethanol burns Co2. Then it rots and you burn the ethanol and you put back what you pulled out in addition to all that you put in the air when you did all of the above.
Hey goose, Brazil uses only 1% of its agricultural lands to produce the entire ethanol it needs. And more amazingly, Brazil still exports the huge amount of ethanol not consumed internally... So, I think the problem here is that the ethanol solution is a foreigner one... and you americans allways hate what comes from overseas... You love to say youre the number one in everything... sorry dude, but, when the issue is related to biofuels, Brazil is the number one.
I'm not sure why Americans have such a problem with imports. They greatly improve our lives. Yeah, sugar caine workes better than corn. There is a problem though, that they have to slash and burn to do it. They cut a forest to put in sugar caine but the rain forest soil won't last without the rain forest. So they have to move on. It's also worth noting that Brazil doesn't use near as much fuel as the U.S. does.
Well, the brazilian rain forest is located in the north of Brazil which soil and climate are not suitable for sugar cane or soy beans... the destruction over there is mainly related to cattle and wood industries... and Brazil has the largest 1 liter engine volume fleet in the world. Americans love to drive SUVs with 5 liters engine volume... so, dude, if you dont like ethanol , then pay the price and do not complain..
I put an link to an artical about how the rain forest is cut down because of ethanol in my info section of this video. There are many articals that show this in different ways but this one is in line with your comments about not growing cane up there.
Again, brazilian sugar cane plantations are located in the "cerrado" (savanah) area. Around central and south regions. There is no sugar cane for ethanol production in the amazonic rain forest region.
I don't drive an SUV but if people want to they can. I don't see the problem with that. I can't imagin only having a 1 liter engine in my car though. In America we have roads where people drive 80mph 130kph. In Europe they go faster than that.
No, youre wrong. A formula one car is a 2.0 liters volume engine and reaches 600 800 HP. Its all about technology. At the same time, a 1.0 car can run something around 16 Km (10 miles) with 1 liter of gas (14 km with 1 liter of ethanol). This would reduce polution, consumption of oil and would lead the US toward oil independence.
Point of order: Both ethanol and gasoline are produced by a process called 'fractional distillation'(howstuffworks com/oil-refining4). But oil takes heat to distill thus using more energy to produce.
hey why don't you bitch about housing deveopments that PERMANTLY consume land you probably live in a vinyl village yourself.....i see a hole lot more houses going up than farm land being cleared
I do bitch about that. I hate urban sprawl. I have to drive 35 miles to do anything. When I make a new friend at grad school, she lives to far to visit away from school. I live in a condo. It's a suburban condo but it is still 3 or 4 times a dense as a house. some day I will live in a tower.
Indiana was not a prairie before people arrived. Most of the state was covered with forest. That why there are trees in between all the fields. They grow on any land that isn't disturbed.
ok, i stopped watching at 3min. because i was tired of listening to this r-tard. He is saying that old-growth forests are being cut down for corn, well I live in Illinois and it has always been corn and the farmers have always used fertilizers. the only difference is what the corn is being used for. he mentioned the fertalizers poluting the water, well, in the past few years, wather quality in the Sangamon river has actually gotten better.
you keep acting like corn is the only thing you can ethanol from, also you sound drunk and stupid there are more trees in the USA today than when it was settled.
There is not more forest than when the US was settled. Think about that for about 5 seconds. 80% of Indiana's forest is gone. We are not at our lowest point in forest levels however. Perhaps that is what you refer to?
Also we use coal/oil to make fertilizer and use it for the distill of the corn because Government subsidizes it. If we wanted to we could go back to rotating in plants that add nitrogen and carbon to the soil. But of course that is much less efficient and would drive up corn prices.
Read Omnivores Dilemma. The reason we have so much corn is because we are a corn nation. Our cows, pigs, chicken eat corn. Our products from twinkies to plastic use corn. Ethanol is just one more in a long list.
In response to your question of "which of these would you prefer? miles of forest or miles of corn?" In my opinion, I'd much rather have miles of corn on our own soil than to have oil owned by a bunch of rich terrorists (OPEC) just to be burned up (and not recycled) in our own land.
Except miles for corn does not equal not buying oil. It takes more oil energy to make corn than you get from it. This oil is used to make fertilizer, to plow the field, and to distill the brew.
my response was not directed as much of a "scientific approach". Think of this from the political/economic point of view. One of the major reasons why the country is gearing towards ethanol is not for hope of a better source of energy, but to reduce our dependance on FOREIGN fuel.
2)Electricity for the electric car is created from MILES AND MILES OF SOLAR PANELS!!! And you know where it is both VERY SUNNY and EMPTY... The desert! (and this energy can be nationalized as to provide for all states, even the non-desert-bearing ones)
Had Thomas Jefferson not initiated embargo acts in the 1800's, America would not be as economically independent as it had been. America, in being forced to manufacture its OWN goods, benefited America as a whole and played a key part in defeating Britain in the war of 1812 and even MANY wars after that. So by moving the MAJORITY source of our oil from foreign to domestic, we can kick ass in WW3.
your a fucking idiot... i cant even begin to belittle you because i don't eve know where to start... it has been a long time since i have been at a loss for words... congratulations your officially the most ignorant person i have ever come in contact with.
Why do I get the sneaky suspicion that ethanol is the little lie that we are being sold because no one has a CLUE what we are really going to do when the oil runs out. If you are old enough, you remember all these "alternative fuel" theories from the oil embargo days. They never were developed. Also, if we had a lot less people, in proportion, we would have a lot more fuel. Hmmmm....
The ethanol thing is caused by the powerful farm lobby. Some alternative fuels like oil shale or coal to oil are fine but they are a bit more expensive than oil. You can't sell gas for $3 a gallon when everyone else is selling it for $2.85. It's really that simple. When the price goes and stays just a bit higher we will use oil shale and coal on a global industrial scale. There is enough coal for 200 years shale too. We have plenty of time.
your nuts dude,why don'y you get off the crack pipe and maybe you would not see corn freak,im gonna pant some corn in you ass and you can watch that grow screwball!
ethanol is a benefit to society. it a cleaner fuel, thus emissions are less and your engine stays cleaner... adds longevity to your engine. by the way, try running soy biodiesel in your truck. you should see an increase in mpg. just dont run it below 40 degrees or you will have gel problems. i believe the army is working on 100% soy diesel with anti-gel properties. turn that frown upside down and think positive bucko.
HEY JOE FROM INDIANA YOU TALK A LITTLE LOUD. By the way, I hate when everyone adds their two cents in, but I saw your message about this vid and hate you. You're not cool for thinking Earth may be like one "giant Easter Island." Dopes in the sixties thought LSD needed to be put in people's daily lives so we could ease into a lifestyle without oil. You're an unoriginal guy who thinks he's as cool as Clint Eastwood.
I'm not from Indiana. That's just where I made this video. How would you describe a place that has an exponential unsustainable population growth? Note: birth control is actually fixing the Easter Island problem but I think that is temporary. I think eventually people will evolve to want more kids.
I agree; I would not like to see more states eaten up either, and I agree we should not scale up on a big scale right now. But I do think that in the long run ethanol is one of two ways to go, the other being hydrogen, that is if cellulosic technology becomes cheap enough, and we can use all organic material like crass clippings, and other plant byproducts that otherwise are thrown away or burned. Otherwise Hydrogen is the best, what do you think of hydrogen?
I don't have a problem with turning waist into fuel as long as it is a net energy gain. I think wind power and solar will various other earth powers be the WAVES of the future. All of these things can be converted to hydrogen. Remember hydrogen is a fuel, not an energy source. I think the problems with turning wind into hydrogen are solvable.
#1 Global warming not from humans? B.S., have you looked at any of the data lately? Have you been to LA lately? #2 As long as humans still build wood framed houses, deforestation won't stop.
I've never seen a global map of LA. It may be true that wood framed houses deforest so lets continue to use all other methods of deforestation. When you plant the ground with corn or sugar cane, the forest doesn't grow back until you stop growing the crops.
#3 The new ethanol production technology called cellulosic is what would be used for the switch. It would not be the kernel used but the stalk, and not just corn but all plants including switchgrass. #4 Burning gas just releases chemicals. The plant grown to produce ethanol converts co2 to o2. Then when the ethanol is burned it converts the o2 back to co2 and is a balanced cycle.
I accidently clicked remove on the farm comment. Indiana was 90% forested today it is 20% forest covered. So it wasn't always that way. Ethanol could eat at the other 20%. Michigan and Wisconson do not have the level of farming these other midwest states do and Ethanol will eat up these states forested land. Govener Granholm is for it. These states are tourists states in part because of their forest. Can you imagin taking a vacation in a corn field?
I addresssed the co2 cycle in my video, go back and watch it again. Cellulosic is not viable because it is too expensive. It also doesn't change the need to plant stuff on a limited amount of land.
I was just driven crazy from driving thousands of miles through cornfields. Maybe I inhaled some. I stand by what they said though. I hope Granholm doesn't turn Michigan into an ethanol state. I like to drive through Michigan compared to Indiana, Ohio, and Illinois. One thing I didn't include in the video is that it costs more fuel to produce ethanol than you get from it.
-that humans dont eat). Ethanol can also be made from all kinds of grains, and many kinds of grasses like wheat grass, so deforestation isnt caused by the production of ethanol. Perhaps it isn't the ONLY solution, but it can be a major one, along with bio-diesel and hybrid vehicles, like the Ford Escape and Saturn Vue hybrids, regular cars that look the same but get better gas mileage.
even if it doesn't cause global warming, it puts out all kinds of crap in the air, including sulfur compunds and unburned hydrocarbons. And like I have already stated, ethanol can't only be made from corn. All kinds of fruits: apples, berries, cherries, etc., can be used to create Ethanol. (I.E. the leftovers-
I agree that global warming is not caused by humans, I dont necessarily agree that our oil needs can be met with this supposed 250 years worth of oil we have, like I said, ours (and the rest) of the worlds oil needs are greatly on the rise, so I doubt that oil would last 250 years. And I still haven't heard you give any reasons as to why ethanol is "not a solution". EVERY fuel source has drawbacks (including oil, by the way)-
If you are really so concerned about the enviromnent, why are you promoting the use of oil? That makes no sense. Also, I want to know where the assumption comes from that to produce ethanol, you MUST use a lot of coal or oil. Ethanol can be produced (as someone else already pointed out) by electricity, and last time I checked, that came from dams and windmills (at least in this part of the country).
I'm more concerned about deforestation than anything else. Eventually we will need something other than oil, but right now oil is BY FAR the best thing we have. Ethanol is not and never will be a solution so we should not waist effort on it. We have several hundred years to find the solution. I'm not concerned about global warming. Nature has been doing it for billions of years. Most (understatement) of the current warming is not caused by us.
Im not sure I agree with that. Global warming has accellerated in the last 100 years thanks to us humans. We are a great contributer to global warming.
...saying Canada has 100 years of oil at our current rate of consumption? If you haven't noticed, the demand for oil is going through the roof, because of China, etc. So even if they do have 100 yrs. worth, we need to be pursuing alternatives.
You're basing your entire argument on ethanol being produced from corn, ethanol can be made from compost material, potatos, corn husks, etc. If Brazil can do it, then we definitely can! And personally, I'm tired of hoping the oil companies wont find some reason to send gas prices through the roof again. If ethanol is to be produced, it needs to be from independent companies, and NOT big corperations. And are you...
Brazil does it by slash and burning a rainforest and planting sugar cane. We don't grow sugar cane here and corn is no good for ethanol. Brazil destroys the environment in the name of the environment. Hmm.
I'm Brazilian and you don't have a clue where the sugar cane crops are in Brazil!!! You are so full of B.S. The rain forest soil is no good for sugar cane crops!!! Don't believe on what goose1077 has to say...
Hey I replied to this earlier but my response isn't there. I think it is because I had a URL. Anyway, I found news articles of slash and burn farming. You are right rain forest soil is no good. That's why they slash and burn, then grow crops, then move on to slash and burn somewhere else when the ashes wash away. That how slash and burn works. Slash, burn, move, start over.
The production of ethanol is created with electricity now not coal. Yea many power plants are coal burning but that problem is being addressed and the # of coal plants are being reduced. Ethanol is not perfect but it's the best solution we have at the moment. Anyone else have a better fuel "That we can produce now" that can power all the internal combustion engines in America and keep us independent on foreign oil.
How about oil? We can dig it out of the ground for $15 a barrel. We have hundreds of years worth of it. Canada has A hundred years worth. We are not dependant on foreign oil. It's just that theirs is cheaper.
This guy is an idiot. Which big corporation paid for this ad? There are legitimate concerns like those of farber. True, bio-ethonol is a now a losing energy game, but in the future, technology we are developing will allow us to get bioethonol out of waste fiber products, like corn husks, rather than out of expensive corn. We are at the speed bump, the point of transition. Anything is better than plumbing our geoligical depths for irreplaceable supplies.
This fellow has a point! Deforestation is contribuiting to global warming, farming was the first of man's changing of the land to start this cycle in the first place. It is true that fertilizer is made from chemicals derived from oil, as well as pesticides.
Researchers at Cornell and Berkley found that it takes 29% more fossil energy to turn corn into ethanol than the amount of fuel the process produces! "Ethanol production in the US does not benefit the nation's energy security, it's agriculture, the economy, or the environment". They said the energy and other costs used to produce the crop were not taken into account when other researchers supported
they dont cut down trees!
johnathonmelby 9 months ago
@johnathonmelby How did the forest area become covered with corn then? What happens to the the trees? I live an a naturally forested area. People grow corn here. Corn isn't just grown in great plains where only grass grows. It is grown where there would be forest. Don't you see patches of forest in my video?
goose1077 8 months ago
your just a stupid tree hugger. You always have to mention a forest being cut down every other sentence it seems like. you dont burn corn either, and do you think that all the corn produced is turned straight into ethanol? FALSE. Plus the midwest wasn't a forestland either, it was nothin but grassland. I agree that ethanol is a bad idea, but i dont agree with one word you said, period.
simracr94 1 year ago
@simracr94 This video is so old. I can't believe people are still commenting on it. Well, There are parts of the Midwest that are planes and there are other parts that are forested. Many of the fields I drive through have an acre or two of forest scattered between them here and there. Don't tell me people planted those trees. I happen to live in a place where they grow corn and this is definitely a forest area.
goose1077 1 year ago
The real ecological nightmare is industrial agriculture. Switching to organic-style crop rotation will cut energy use on farms by a third or more: no more petroleum-based herbicides, pesticides, or chemical fertilizers. Fertilizer needs can be served either by applying the byproducts left over from the alcohol manufacturing process directly to the soil, or by first running the byproducts through animals as feed.
mikehanoo33 1 year ago
In fact, its oil that has a negative EROEI. Because oil is both the raw material and the energy source for production of gasoline, it comes out to about 20% negative. Thats just common sense; some of the oil is itself used up in the process of refining and delivering it (from the Persian Gulf, a distance of 11,000 miles in tanker travel).And oil makes a bit of a mess when its spilled ,RIP gulf of mexico .
mikehanoo33 1 year ago
ethanol sucks, the pollution here in california is the worst it has ever been, the air stinks of ethanol, it burns your eyes and nose. its B.S.
barknspyder 2 years ago
Ethanol is a great fuel, and the answer to limiting imported oil. See Coskata web site for exciting ethanol production method.
Rusty1220 2 years ago
You are an idiot.
germandeerslayer 3 years ago
Just say no to Middle East Terrorist in Saudi Arabia. Of course, I know the Oil Supporters want to live in fear from day to day wondering if they will be killed by oil funded terrorism. Long Live the Terrorist!!!!! Infidel Pigs!!!! Keep buying our oil and support us. Look at your economy, you cant keep a job the US, you dont want domestic energy, you want us to have it! Alah is great....hahahahha
PaganEgyptian 3 years ago
Who cut down the forest? Don't assume everything was forest. I would say the majority of corn fields in this country were prairie not forests. Infact a lot of the trees where I am from were planted for shelter from the winds. By the way you sound like you may have been drinking some of that Jim Beam!
germandeerslayer 3 years ago
I was in Indiana
goose1077 3 years ago
Thank you for posting this video! I totally agree with you. PLANT SOME TREES, PEOPLE!!!! when will they ever learn to plant TREES!!!! Now, if you want to be free from this oil industry invent stuff like this Aptera Typ-1 car. My 2 cents - my honda accord consistently gets WORSE mpg on this stupid ethanol mix, the car's system is sophisticated enough to burn the regular fuel efficiently. worse mpg - more fuel burned - more pollution...
igogosh 3 years ago
I've recently come to favor the idea of putting electric rail in roads. It would be an infrastructure investment on the order of hundreds of Billions, but divide that by each car on the road and it is a small investment. Electric generators, lines, and motors are much more efficient at turning coal into locomotion than engines are at turning gas into it. This means there is a financial pay off. Also, you could run trucks with this technology. They already run trains with it.
goose1077 3 years ago
Its not about the environment...its about balancing the different fuels we use so we dont depend on just oil. Ethanol is renewable and thats why we want to start producing it, not because it produces less CO2, thats just a sales pitch for the govrnmt.
AKO89 3 years ago
Yeah goose, now, the so called "free market" is using the state, the tax-payer's money, to save private banks. Why don't you let the so called "free-market" work and let all these banks go down? huh? Explain now if you can.
BJJ415N 3 years ago
That would certainly speed things up a bit. In Japan, there economy languished in the dumps for more than a decade because of this kind of government intervention. How do you like your standard of living? How would you like for it to go down a bit and stay that way for 10 or more years?
goose1077 3 years ago
Wrong goose. If the government doesnt do anything, a financial collapse will take place. It will be worse than languishing in the dumps for a decade. You know that. The president knows that. All the world knows that. Only the naive free-market defenders dont know that. Got it now?
BJJ415N 3 years ago
They need to be careful about how far they go.
goose1077 3 years ago
Also, we wouldn't bee in this situation in the first place if the fed hadn't gone too far with short term interest rates 5 years ago. It's not the Fed's fault though. They were following instructions from congress.
goose1077 3 years ago
The federal Reserve is a PRIVATE Delaware Corporation and does not have any Congressional oversight and makes it decisions in private and does not answer to the Congress. The president gets to pick a chairman for the Federal Reserve from a list of people prepared by the Federal Reserve. They are no more federal than Federal Express. Good video too, I for one hate Corn Ethanol. It's energy negative and will collapse when the subsidies subside, just like they did in the 80's.
christo930 3 years ago
HAHAHA! so, if it's a private corporation why does the Congress have to approve the 700 billion dollars help? huh? If it's private why Is the President worried about this issue? Damn dude, go learn somethin... get yourself educated and post somethin useful.
BJJ415N 3 years ago
Actually everything the fed does is because the congress told it to in the past. It is more government than private. The reason they separated Congress from the day to day decisions is because they would run it even worse than it is run now. I'm in favor of letting Milton Freedman's laptop run it.
goose1077 3 years ago
@christo930 The most exhaustive study on ethanol’s EROEI, by Isaias de Carvalho Macedo, shows an alcohol energy return of more than eight units of output for every unit of input—and this study accounts for everything right down to smelting the ore to make the steel for tractors.
hotmichael3358 1 year ago
@hotmichael3358 What is the feedstock and what farming methods are being used? I am specifically talking about corn ethanol grown in the US and processed in the uS.
christo930 1 year ago
@christo930 Also, fermenting the corn to alcohol results in more meat than if you fed the corn directly to the cattle. We can actually increase the meat supply by first processing corn into alcohol, which only takes 28% of the starch, leaving all the protein and fat, creating a higher-quality animal feed than the original corn.
mikehanoo33 1 year ago
@mikehanoo33 We shouldn't be feeding cattle corn, they should be eating grass.
christo930 1 year ago
@christo930 I agree with that , and we shouldent be eating cattle we should be hunting wild buffalo that used to number in the millions on are great plains , but unfortunatly we the white men have screwed this country up pretty bad , now we must wake up, and get the crazy dark greedy ones out of power , the oil companies !
mikehanoo33 1 year ago
@christo930
Few of the ranches still do, we out here in south west NE. do this,
corn is the drug monsanto pushes, and then the need to use their round up poison.
donze52 10 months ago
@donze52 Doesn't the feeding of cattle with corn make them more susceptible to bacteria and such making it necessary to give them high doses of antibiotics, and poor nutrition make it necessary to shoot them up with growth hormones, or am I grossly misinformed on this? Is roundup really used as the main weed killer in large scale agriculture? Doesn't that "poison" the soil where our food is being grown?
christo930 10 months ago
@christo930
RANGE FED CATTLE ARE FOR THE MOST PART HEALTHY, BUT ONCE IN FEED LOTS, LOOK OUT,
ANTI BIOTICS ARE A MUST. EACH ARE TESTED AND PROVEN SAFE, BUT SINCE MANY ARE
MIXED GOD ONLY KNOWS.
ROUND UP KILLS EVERYTHING BUT MONSATO MESSED WITH THE DNA OF CORN AND MADE IT
NO LONGER ABLE TO BE KILLED BY ROUND UP, THE PROBLEM IS A BAG OF CORN WAS ABOUT 100 A BAG IS NOW NEARING $300 OR MORE. MONSATO ALSO TARGETS FARMS NOT USING SEED AND ROUND UP AND SUES THEM. MUCH HATE IS AIMED AT MONSTATO.
donze52 10 months ago
@donze52 WOW. I didn't know that Monsanto created a strain of corn that wouldn't die from the ingredients in roundup. Has their been any testing of the corn that is treated with this stuff to see if it ends up in the corn we eat or the cows we eat that were fed with this shit which eventually end up on our plates?
christo930 10 months ago
@christo930
TESTS, YES, HONEST TEST- WHO KNOWS, but the corn most certainly is in the food
fuel and almost everything. It is said, that monstato is the worst of the bunch
for a walmart (we want it all) way of thinking. They are noted for sueing at the drop of a hat.
God help us.
donze52 10 months ago
Brazil sells ethanol for about 2 bucks a gallon, Gas with 25% Ethanol is 5 bucks. There are no other choices in Brazil.
88 percent of vehicles are flex fuel in Brazil, what fuel would You use?
There are 20 crops that can grow in America with more output than corn. Read "Alcohol can be a gas" by Blume and see ethanol output from 300 gpa to 7500 gpa. Big Oil has been laying it on thick. paste and add a "dot" tinyurl com/5l4qtp
Juliusno1776 3 years ago
Every time I see an electric car I have to wonder where the power will come from. Coal burning? From dams? ? Wind mills? We'd better look at the bigger picture before we make moves on this chess board...
HunterMann 3 years ago
140.00 US$ a barrel and rising... come on goose... sayin somethin if you can... HAHAHA! And Brazil imports ZERO! Got it ZERO!
BJJ415N 3 years ago
4 points.
Brazil doesn't use any where near the oil we use.
Brazil is an oil producer
Brazil has lots of sugar cane.
Sugar cane is hurting the environment too.
goose1077 3 years ago
Brazil is the 8th oil consumer in the entire world.... so, look for another excuse goose.. and pay the price dude... pay the price... Brazil imports ZERO Got it?
BJJ415N 3 years ago
8th is a long way from first and they are a major oil producer.
goose1077 3 years ago
We use 10 times as much oil as Brazil
goose1077 3 years ago
Not 10 times. It's a factoid. Get your facts straight. And Brazil is not a major oil producer. The US produces more than Brazil.
Now US$ 145.00 per barrel.. and rising.. just pay the price goose.. pay and do not blame ethanol and the sugar cane.
BJJ415N 3 years ago
It cracks me up how people think I just come out of my ass with these facts/numbers. The U.S. uses 20,730,000 bbl/day Brazil uses 2,100,000 bbl/day. If you multiply Brazil's consumption by 10 you get what the U.S. is using--off by 1.3% That's pretty damn spot on.
goose1077 3 years ago
OK youre right. But it doesnt change the fact that BRAZIL IMPORTS ZERO! Thanks to the ethanol.
BJJ415N 3 years ago
And it's burned down an irreplaceable rain forest that most probably has cures for just about every disease known to man to do it, release billions of tons of CO2 into the atmosphere in the process. Now they have found a very large oil field near Rio and they will become a net oil exporter. With their own oil, I hope they will stop the madness.
christo930 3 years ago
the rain forrest problem has nothing to do with sugar cane ethanol. The problem there is related to cattle and wood industries. get your facts straight.
BJJ415N 3 years ago
So goose, now US$ 130,00 a barrel of oil... US$ 5,00 a gallon of gas... and the only thing you've got to say is: say no to ethanol.. damn goose... youre a complete dumbass.
Youre pathetic cos you dont propose any alternative.. a feasible one. Biofuels can be done now. Here in Brazil we dont have to import oil. You are being robbed and have no alternative to say... so, pay the prize dude.. pay the prize and do not complain!
BJJ415N 3 years ago
Give me a few billion Dollars and I'm all over it.
goose1077 3 years ago
This guy is right on! Isn't it funny how we decry the third world destruction of the rain forests, yet we are doing the same thing across our midwest with the apparent approval of our corrupt business-political system..These videos look almost like forests compared to what has happened in the last year here in Illinois..
redbaron1943 3 years ago
Im with you bud. THis is an overpopulation issue. quit eating or using any corn. I notice how you stumble for answers. Overpopulation. Make a vid about it.
braneden 3 years ago
Say yes, to the petroleum to 130 dollars the gallon, you prefer like this.Your largest problem, is that they extract the ethanol of the corn here not a food, we not extracted of a vegetable used as food, it is more efficient than the corn, the motors of low potency with the ethanol are more potent.
cotidianobr 3 years ago
It is not wise to grow anything and use it as fuel. If you can turn waste into fuel that would be ok. No mater what, if you are growing stuff, you are hurting the envirionment and you will never be able to grow enough.
goose1077 3 years ago
The video is nauseating and you sound drunk dude!
biftek1234 4 years ago 4
So go puke.
goose1077 4 years ago
I agree, these videos are rather pathetic.
ArchivalWheat 3 years ago
I agree, these videos are rather pathetic.
ArchivalWheat 3 years ago
You know how many of these things have come out to be true, after I made this video. What is pathetic is that people still believe the ethanol is good. Meanwhile farmers are getting rich and people in poor countries have having food riots.
goose1077 3 years ago
"But hey. hemp will save the world."
Could you give me some links about that?
jackson32 4 years ago
oh. just a side note. do research on hemp. then lets see a video against that. honestly. i dare you. hit me up when you get an intelligent argument for hemp. corn, has some viable downfalls. correct. But hey. hemp will save the world.
XkelsiX 4 years ago
How about this research? It takes several decades for any crop to return to the soil, the amount of carbon that is released when new soil is turned over. Algae might be a good substitute.
goose1077 4 years ago
heres a little figure for you. One acre of corn makes about... 150 gal. of bio desil. Hemp plants make near 300 per acre. Hemp also requires NO fertilizer or pest control. The land mass in montana alone,taking no land from farmers, were just talking STATE CRP (look it up- which is just used for prevention of errosion, aka the 30's) if you were to plant hemp all non-used state land, it would fuel the united states on that land alone. I live in montana i've done the reasearch. as should you.
XkelsiX 4 years ago
Will some future american Bush make other war to brazilian ethanol because the american are less competitive?
adcinco 4 years ago
I don't know what will happen in the future but for now we have Brazilian ethanol blocked. I think we do this with taxes. This is BS. If they want to sell us ethanol I think we should be allowed to buy it.
goose1077 4 years ago
Ethanol does not have a positive energy return. Some of the often quoted studies do not account for all of the inputs such as machinery, ethanol plant infrastructure, or irrigation.
Google "Thermodynamics of the corn-ethanol biofuel cycle"
Also both ethanol and biofuels create a lot of environmental damage. For example, large areas of rainforest in Indonesia are being destroyed for biofuels.
Google "The Dirty Truth about Biofuels"
jackson32 4 years ago
I think the truth is starting to leak out into the mainstream. I'm hearing more and more mentions of the negative energy return from reputable people. I think we are one reseccion away from a crash in the desire for ethanol growth. Oil is already in the $80s, down 10% from it's high. That said ethanol will be with us for a long time. It's hard to ween people off dependencies.
goose1077 4 years ago
In Brazil, all sugacane farms machinery runs with biofuel and ethanol.. so, I recommend to look for another excuse. Brazilian ethanol plants burn ETHANOL. Eletric energy is produced from bagasse over there. Again, look for another excuse.
I love when people say: ethanol causes damage then lets keep doin our imense damage heating the planet through the burning of gas and oil.
Damn! Were lost with these guys!
BJJ415N 4 years ago
"lets keep doin our imense damage heating the planet through the burning of gas and oil."
Newsflash: Man caused Global Warming is a scam
jackson32 4 years ago
jackson32 please explain your theory
mrhjoker21 3 years ago
bite me
jackson32 3 years ago
I think if you are going to make a claim in a forum, you should at least give some effort to explain it. I do. Not that a 500 character comment section can touch the scam theory.
goose1077 3 years ago
hey goose, what about 5 bucks per gallon huh
HAHAHAHA!
BJJ415N 3 years ago
What about it?
goose1077 3 years ago
yeah goose... What about paying 5 dollars per gallon of gasoline? huh? does it hurt your pocket? HAHAHAHA! Well, here in Brazil, a gallon of ethanol costs something around 2 dollars... then you continue to say no to ethanol? HAHAHAHAHA! Goose, you must be kiddin... HAHAHA!
BJJ415N 3 years ago
Joe, you are very stupid. You are blaming the production of ethanol on the destruction of old growth forests. Old growth forests were destroyed long before we discovered ethanol. Would you rather have us keep shipping oil from the middle east to make fuel to run this nation? Do some research and get the facts before you shoot your mouth off....stupid tree hugger. Your and everyone elses ancestors who settled her in the U.S. cut down the forests so shut up!!
TDEADE 4 years ago
The thing about forests is if you don't keep cutting them, they grow back. I definitely don't think cutting them caused us to produce ethanol. How about the fact that it takes more oil to produce ethanol than we offset by making it?
goose1077 4 years ago
How about the fact that 30% of our corn crop is devoted to ethanol, it only produces a tiny amount of fuel, and if we want to produce any significant amount of ethanol--we are going to have to plane more corn or something else. We will have to cover several more states with crops to fuel us.
goose1077 4 years ago
I love when people try to start debates with meaningless insults.
ethanol takes 12,000 gallons of water to make one gallon of gas. You're talking within one generation sucking every farms resources dry. for private interests.
oldhacks 4 years ago
I didn't know that about the water stats. Where did you find them?
goose1077 4 years ago
check mike gravels latest video. Mikes totally giving the ethanol movement the finger. send him some money so he can keep exposing these bastards for what they are.
oldhacks 4 years ago
"ethanol takes 12,000 gallons of water to make one gallon of GAS"... damn dude... what the hell this statement means?
BJJ415N 4 years ago
Just one thing dude At the end.... That was their before Ethanol came into the picture. Fact of the matter is we are just one of the world's Biggest corn exporters.
ChurroBOY313 4 years ago
Hey, I just learned a new stat. A third of our corn crop goes to ethanol. Very little of our fuel is ethanol though. The point of the video is not about the corn that is there. It is about the many more states we would have to cover with corn in order to make a scratch in our fuel consumption. In fact I think I said something about what we use corn for in the video.
goose1077 4 years ago
You don't need corn to produce ethanol.
You have great arguments against corn ethanol. But other plants can and should be used to provide the cellulose necessary for ethanol production.
dang9669 4 years ago
The people who turn plant waste into ethanol seem to have a viable process. They sent me info after seeing this video. I'm not convinced there will ever be a good reason to grow fuel even if you can make it energy positive for reasons stated in my second video. I new info on the second video and I might make a third.
goose1077 4 years ago
we are all now stupider now from watching this. But really on a serious note, this country was already a world leading producer of corn and you really make no logic solid fight. Next time actually do the numbers and figure out the co2 footprint of ethanol to oil. Sidenote ethanol burns cleaner than oil. So all i have to say is wow... you are retarded.
Whip87 4 years ago 2
If you leave out all the oil that goes into making corn, you do get a smaller carbon footprint with ethanol. If you include all the oil you find that the footprint is about the same or even worse for corn ethanol. We already use all the corn planted, if we want to make more corn ethanol, we are going to have to plant more corn.
goose1077 4 years ago
i would rather have produtive fields and there are other plats like switch grass
jdfrmboy 4 years ago
you can make ethanol from sea water! you could always go and live by the sea :)
MattBlytheTheOne 4 years ago
Have you been drinking?? Get educated and know your facts!
kimmylee31 4 years ago
I know what I'm talking about in this video.
goose1077 4 years ago
No, you dont. In fact , you dont have a goddamn clue about anything related to these issues dude... get sober then go read something about biofuels and Brazil HAHAHAHAHA!
BJJ415N 4 years ago
I did research it. why don't you give a "fact" that is different from what I said instead of attacking me personally.
goose1077 4 years ago
Stop sayin what people should not do and propose somethin dude... youre that type of guy who thinks could say what people should not do but doesnt say anynthing they should do. At least, the ethanol defenders are proposing something. And, I wont argue with you.. I can tell this: America has scientists that support ethanol solution (wich we must say its not the only one solution but part of it) and say it is a feasible one. Stop whinnin and do somethin dude....
BJJ415N 4 years ago
OK, here is my proposal. Get the government the out of the way and let the market find a solution. It will.
goose1077 4 years ago
HAHAHAHA! youre funny dude! Listen, market is very good when the issue is "share profits". But when we need to "share losses", then the market disappears. Remember the 1929 stock market collapse! The government saved american economy. This is the question dude. We are facing a global threatening that could kill us all. WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING.
BJJ415N 4 years ago
Actually it was the government that turned the recession of that era into the great depression. Markets would have worked fine if they had been left alone. Where-ever you find a market failure, you can almost always find government manipulation. See this artical Great Myths of the Great Depression. Link in my info section.
goose1077 4 years ago
No you don't... First of all, planting corn removes CO2, burning ethonal puts it back... It's a cycle that isn't to dissimular from the natural CO2 cycle. Gasoline takes CO2 from millions of years ago and puts it into the atmosphere. (This is B*A*D) If we and no more "accumulative" CO2 the trees will eventually cycle out the eccess. Read about it!
WORLDREIGN 4 years ago
The problem is it takes a lot of co2 burning to make corn and then to make ethanol from it.
goose1077 4 years ago
Planting corn burns Co2--tractor. Fertilizing corn burns Co2. Irrigateing burns Co2. When it grows, it it removes Co2. Then harvesting corn burns Co2. Making Ethanol burns Co2. Then it rots and you burn the ethanol and you put back what you pulled out in addition to all that you put in the air when you did all of the above.
goose1077 4 years ago
tell me some so I can see what I'm missing.
goose1077 4 years ago
HAHAHA! Hey dude... we want ethanol to run engines not to drink...So, you should say no to ethanol dude.. specially the drinkable one..HAHAHA!
BJJ415N 4 years ago
UMMM just because my opinion is different doesn't mean I was drunk.
goose1077 4 years ago
Hey goose, Brazil uses only 1% of its agricultural lands to produce the entire ethanol it needs. And more amazingly, Brazil still exports the huge amount of ethanol not consumed internally... So, I think the problem here is that the ethanol solution is a foreigner one... and you americans allways hate what comes from overseas... You love to say youre the number one in everything... sorry dude, but, when the issue is related to biofuels, Brazil is the number one.
BJJ415N 4 years ago
I'm not sure why Americans have such a problem with imports. They greatly improve our lives. Yeah, sugar caine workes better than corn. There is a problem though, that they have to slash and burn to do it. They cut a forest to put in sugar caine but the rain forest soil won't last without the rain forest. So they have to move on. It's also worth noting that Brazil doesn't use near as much fuel as the U.S. does.
goose1077 4 years ago
Well, the brazilian rain forest is located in the north of Brazil which soil and climate are not suitable for sugar cane or soy beans... the destruction over there is mainly related to cattle and wood industries... and Brazil has the largest 1 liter engine volume fleet in the world. Americans love to drive SUVs with 5 liters engine volume... so, dude, if you dont like ethanol , then pay the price and do not complain..
BJJ415N 4 years ago
I put an link to an artical about how the rain forest is cut down because of ethanol in my info section of this video. There are many articals that show this in different ways but this one is in line with your comments about not growing cane up there.
goose1077 4 years ago
Again, brazilian sugar cane plantations are located in the "cerrado" (savanah) area. Around central and south regions. There is no sugar cane for ethanol production in the amazonic rain forest region.
BJJ415N 4 years ago
I don't drive an SUV but if people want to they can. I don't see the problem with that. I can't imagin only having a 1 liter engine in my car though. In America we have roads where people drive 80mph 130kph. In Europe they go faster than that.
goose1077 4 years ago
No, youre wrong. A formula one car is a 2.0 liters volume engine and reaches 600 800 HP. Its all about technology. At the same time, a 1.0 car can run something around 16 Km (10 miles) with 1 liter of gas (14 km with 1 liter of ethanol). This would reduce polution, consumption of oil and would lead the US toward oil independence.
BJJ415N 4 years ago
Read a book and put down the bottle douchebag.
zemon3 4 years ago
Get in your car and go for a drive.
goose1077 4 years ago
Point of order: Both ethanol and gasoline are produced by a process called 'fractional distillation'(howstuffworks com/oil-refining4). But oil takes heat to distill thus using more energy to produce.
daddeo01905 4 years ago
hey why don't you bitch about housing deveopments that PERMANTLY consume land you probably live in a vinyl village yourself.....i see a hole lot more houses going up than farm land being cleared
allisfarmer 4 years ago
I do bitch about that. I hate urban sprawl. I have to drive 35 miles to do anything. When I make a new friend at grad school, she lives to far to visit away from school. I live in a condo. It's a suburban condo but it is still 3 or 4 times a dense as a house. some day I will live in a tower.
goose1077 4 years ago
hey dumbass, ever heard of prarie. that means flat, no forest.
googlesnort 4 years ago
Indiana was not a prairie before people arrived. Most of the state was covered with forest. That why there are trees in between all the fields. They grow on any land that isn't disturbed.
goose1077 4 years ago
ok, i stopped watching at 3min. because i was tired of listening to this r-tard. He is saying that old-growth forests are being cut down for corn, well I live in Illinois and it has always been corn and the farmers have always used fertilizers. the only difference is what the corn is being used for. he mentioned the fertalizers poluting the water, well, in the past few years, wather quality in the Sangamon river has actually gotten better.
HeadTater 4 years ago
you keep acting like corn is the only thing you can ethanol from, also you sound drunk and stupid there are more trees in the USA today than when it was settled.
arkivx1 4 years ago
There is not more forest than when the US was settled. Think about that for about 5 seconds. 80% of Indiana's forest is gone. We are not at our lowest point in forest levels however. Perhaps that is what you refer to?
goose1077 4 years ago
Also we use coal/oil to make fertilizer and use it for the distill of the corn because Government subsidizes it. If we wanted to we could go back to rotating in plants that add nitrogen and carbon to the soil. But of course that is much less efficient and would drive up corn prices.
dharh 4 years ago
Read Omnivores Dilemma. The reason we have so much corn is because we are a corn nation. Our cows, pigs, chicken eat corn. Our products from twinkies to plastic use corn. Ethanol is just one more in a long list.
dharh 4 years ago
In response to your question of "which of these would you prefer? miles of forest or miles of corn?" In my opinion, I'd much rather have miles of corn on our own soil than to have oil owned by a bunch of rich terrorists (OPEC) just to be burned up (and not recycled) in our own land.
phileeep 4 years ago
Except miles for corn does not equal not buying oil. It takes more oil energy to make corn than you get from it. This oil is used to make fertilizer, to plow the field, and to distill the brew.
goose1077 4 years ago
my response was not directed as much of a "scientific approach". Think of this from the political/economic point of view. One of the major reasons why the country is gearing towards ethanol is not for hope of a better source of energy, but to reduce our dependance on FOREIGN fuel.
phileeep 4 years ago
That's all find and dandy. I agree, I don't want to send money to the crazy unstable gonvernments either. Come up with something that works.
goose1077 4 years ago
I have 2 solutions to this.
1)The electric car
2)Electricity for the electric car is created from MILES AND MILES OF SOLAR PANELS!!! And you know where it is both VERY SUNNY and EMPTY... The desert! (and this energy can be nationalized as to provide for all states, even the non-desert-bearing ones)
phileeep 4 years ago
ok great. Now make this cheaper than inporting oil and you have a winner.
goose1077 4 years ago
Had Thomas Jefferson not initiated embargo acts in the 1800's, America would not be as economically independent as it had been. America, in being forced to manufacture its OWN goods, benefited America as a whole and played a key part in defeating Britain in the war of 1812 and even MANY wars after that. So by moving the MAJORITY source of our oil from foreign to domestic, we can kick ass in WW3.
phileeep 4 years ago
Actually, believe it or not, this guy is right on the money. If you don't believe him, then you're ignorant.
bloodrageX5 4 years ago
You SUCK Jackass, You drank to much Ethanol. Do us a favor and drink some Methonol!
AceTechnician 4 years ago
As I have said before, just because you don't like it doesn't make it wrong. Don't hate the messenger, hate the message.
goose1077 4 years ago
your a fucking idiot... i cant even begin to belittle you because i don't eve know where to start... it has been a long time since i have been at a loss for words... congratulations your officially the most ignorant person i have ever come in contact with.
GrooveMediaGroupInc 4 years ago
I'm ignorant huh? What is it I don't know that you can teach me?
goose1077 4 years ago
Why do I get the sneaky suspicion that ethanol is the little lie that we are being sold because no one has a CLUE what we are really going to do when the oil runs out. If you are old enough, you remember all these "alternative fuel" theories from the oil embargo days. They never were developed. Also, if we had a lot less people, in proportion, we would have a lot more fuel. Hmmmm....
pmarie2003 4 years ago
The ethanol thing is caused by the powerful farm lobby. Some alternative fuels like oil shale or coal to oil are fine but they are a bit more expensive than oil. You can't sell gas for $3 a gallon when everyone else is selling it for $2.85. It's really that simple. When the price goes and stays just a bit higher we will use oil shale and coal on a global industrial scale. There is enough coal for 200 years shale too. We have plenty of time.
goose1077 4 years ago
your nuts dude,why don'y you get off the crack pipe and maybe you would not see corn freak,im gonna pant some corn in you ass and you can watch that grow screwball!
LOJANOS 4 years ago
wow complete ignorance...
rvasco 4 years ago
Maybe you can teach me something?
goose1077 4 years ago
Crops already in use would be converted to corn.But Biofuel is a better root to go.Ethanol is not much better.
Moviebro 4 years ago
were you drinking when you recorded this?
shonuffsuga 4 years ago
yuo dirty whore, youve been a bad girl. GrRRr.
bonesdsm 4 years ago
ethanol is a benefit to society. it a cleaner fuel, thus emissions are less and your engine stays cleaner... adds longevity to your engine. by the way, try running soy biodiesel in your truck. you should see an increase in mpg. just dont run it below 40 degrees or you will have gel problems. i believe the army is working on 100% soy diesel with anti-gel properties. turn that frown upside down and think positive bucko.
sdmtss 4 years ago
HEY JOE FROM INDIANA YOU TALK A LITTLE LOUD. By the way, I hate when everyone adds their two cents in, but I saw your message about this vid and hate you. You're not cool for thinking Earth may be like one "giant Easter Island." Dopes in the sixties thought LSD needed to be put in people's daily lives so we could ease into a lifestyle without oil. You're an unoriginal guy who thinks he's as cool as Clint Eastwood.
Oldbreadandgrandson 4 years ago
I'm not from Indiana. That's just where I made this video. How would you describe a place that has an exponential unsustainable population growth? Note: birth control is actually fixing the Easter Island problem but I think that is temporary. I think eventually people will evolve to want more kids.
goose1077 4 years ago
shut the fuck up you drunk bastard.
GTiR 4 years ago
lol
goose1077 4 years ago
I agree; I would not like to see more states eaten up either, and I agree we should not scale up on a big scale right now. But I do think that in the long run ethanol is one of two ways to go, the other being hydrogen, that is if cellulosic technology becomes cheap enough, and we can use all organic material like crass clippings, and other plant byproducts that otherwise are thrown away or burned. Otherwise Hydrogen is the best, what do you think of hydrogen?
arbsystems 5 years ago
I don't have a problem with turning waist into fuel as long as it is a net energy gain. I think wind power and solar will various other earth powers be the WAVES of the future. All of these things can be converted to hydrogen. Remember hydrogen is a fuel, not an energy source. I think the problems with turning wind into hydrogen are solvable.
goose1077 5 years ago
Fusion will be the way of the world. Wind and Solar power only work BEST in suitable environments, not everywhere on earth
bloodrageX5 4 years ago
Hey, I have a new anti ethanol video, it's posted as a reply to this one.
goose1077 5 years ago
Sorry but I have to split this into three parts.
#1 Global warming not from humans? B.S., have you looked at any of the data lately? Have you been to LA lately? #2 As long as humans still build wood framed houses, deforestation won't stop.
arbsystems 5 years ago
I've never seen a global map of LA. It may be true that wood framed houses deforest so lets continue to use all other methods of deforestation. When you plant the ground with corn or sugar cane, the forest doesn't grow back until you stop growing the crops.
goose1077 5 years ago
#3 The new ethanol production technology called cellulosic is what would be used for the switch. It would not be the kernel used but the stalk, and not just corn but all plants including switchgrass. #4 Burning gas just releases chemicals. The plant grown to produce ethanol converts co2 to o2. Then when the ethanol is burned it converts the o2 back to co2 and is a balanced cycle.
arbsystems 5 years ago
I accidently clicked remove on the farm comment. Indiana was 90% forested today it is 20% forest covered. So it wasn't always that way. Ethanol could eat at the other 20%. Michigan and Wisconson do not have the level of farming these other midwest states do and Ethanol will eat up these states forested land. Govener Granholm is for it. These states are tourists states in part because of their forest. Can you imagin taking a vacation in a corn field?
goose1077 5 years ago
I addresssed the co2 cycle in my video, go back and watch it again. Cellulosic is not viable because it is too expensive. It also doesn't change the need to plant stuff on a limited amount of land.
goose1077 5 years ago
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schnippschnappcroco 5 years ago
Were you drinking ethanol when you made this video?
Woody26NYny 5 years ago
I was just driven crazy from driving thousands of miles through cornfields. Maybe I inhaled some. I stand by what they said though. I hope Granholm doesn't turn Michigan into an ethanol state. I like to drive through Michigan compared to Indiana, Ohio, and Illinois. One thing I didn't include in the video is that it costs more fuel to produce ethanol than you get from it.
goose1077 5 years ago
-that humans dont eat). Ethanol can also be made from all kinds of grains, and many kinds of grasses like wheat grass, so deforestation isnt caused by the production of ethanol. Perhaps it isn't the ONLY solution, but it can be a major one, along with bio-diesel and hybrid vehicles, like the Ford Escape and Saturn Vue hybrids, regular cars that look the same but get better gas mileage.
stanbernadino 5 years ago
even if it doesn't cause global warming, it puts out all kinds of crap in the air, including sulfur compunds and unburned hydrocarbons. And like I have already stated, ethanol can't only be made from corn. All kinds of fruits: apples, berries, cherries, etc., can be used to create Ethanol. (I.E. the leftovers-
stanbernadino 5 years ago
I agree that global warming is not caused by humans, I dont necessarily agree that our oil needs can be met with this supposed 250 years worth of oil we have, like I said, ours (and the rest) of the worlds oil needs are greatly on the rise, so I doubt that oil would last 250 years. And I still haven't heard you give any reasons as to why ethanol is "not a solution". EVERY fuel source has drawbacks (including oil, by the way)-
stanbernadino 5 years ago
If you are really so concerned about the enviromnent, why are you promoting the use of oil? That makes no sense. Also, I want to know where the assumption comes from that to produce ethanol, you MUST use a lot of coal or oil. Ethanol can be produced (as someone else already pointed out) by electricity, and last time I checked, that came from dams and windmills (at least in this part of the country).
stanbernadino 5 years ago
I'm more concerned about deforestation than anything else. Eventually we will need something other than oil, but right now oil is BY FAR the best thing we have. Ethanol is not and never will be a solution so we should not waist effort on it. We have several hundred years to find the solution. I'm not concerned about global warming. Nature has been doing it for billions of years. Most (understatement) of the current warming is not caused by us.
goose1077 5 years ago
Im not sure I agree with that. Global warming has accellerated in the last 100 years thanks to us humans. We are a great contributer to global warming.
bloodrageX5 4 years ago
...saying Canada has 100 years of oil at our current rate of consumption? If you haven't noticed, the demand for oil is going through the roof, because of China, etc. So even if they do have 100 yrs. worth, we need to be pursuing alternatives.
stanbernadino 5 years ago
OK we do eventually need to find something else but there are 250 years worth of oil buried in the US. Ethanol is not a solution so why pursue it?
goose1077 5 years ago
You're basing your entire argument on ethanol being produced from corn, ethanol can be made from compost material, potatos, corn husks, etc. If Brazil can do it, then we definitely can! And personally, I'm tired of hoping the oil companies wont find some reason to send gas prices through the roof again. If ethanol is to be produced, it needs to be from independent companies, and NOT big corperations. And are you...
stanbernadino 5 years ago
Brazil does it by slash and burning a rainforest and planting sugar cane. We don't grow sugar cane here and corn is no good for ethanol. Brazil destroys the environment in the name of the environment. Hmm.
goose1077 5 years ago
I'm Brazilian and you don't have a clue where the sugar cane crops are in Brazil!!! You are so full of B.S. The rain forest soil is no good for sugar cane crops!!! Don't believe on what goose1077 has to say...
DiiVo 4 years ago
Hey I replied to this earlier but my response isn't there. I think it is because I had a URL. Anyway, I found news articles of slash and burn farming. You are right rain forest soil is no good. That's why they slash and burn, then grow crops, then move on to slash and burn somewhere else when the ashes wash away. That how slash and burn works. Slash, burn, move, start over.
goose1077 4 years ago
The production of ethanol is created with electricity now not coal. Yea many power plants are coal burning but that problem is being addressed and the # of coal plants are being reduced. Ethanol is not perfect but it's the best solution we have at the moment. Anyone else have a better fuel "That we can produce now" that can power all the internal combustion engines in America and keep us independent on foreign oil.
TylerART 5 years ago
How about oil? We can dig it out of the ground for $15 a barrel. We have hundreds of years worth of it. Canada has A hundred years worth. We are not dependant on foreign oil. It's just that theirs is cheaper.
goose1077 5 years ago
Exactly! Canada has 100 years worth, and our government is retarded for selling it to the usa...
bloodrageX5 4 years ago
This guy is an idiot. Which big corporation paid for this ad? There are legitimate concerns like those of farber. True, bio-ethonol is a now a losing energy game, but in the future, technology we are developing will allow us to get bioethonol out of waste fiber products, like corn husks, rather than out of expensive corn. We are at the speed bump, the point of transition. Anything is better than plumbing our geoligical depths for irreplaceable supplies.
zertrat 5 years ago
So why scale it up at a huge cost to society and the planet before we have this new and wonderful technology?
goose1077 5 years ago
This fellow has a point! Deforestation is contribuiting to global warming, farming was the first of man's changing of the land to start this cycle in the first place. It is true that fertilizer is made from chemicals derived from oil, as well as pesticides.
dragon64leo 5 years ago
Researchers at Cornell and Berkley found that it takes 29% more fossil energy to turn corn into ethanol than the amount of fuel the process produces! "Ethanol production in the US does not benefit the nation's energy security, it's agriculture, the economy, or the environment". They said the energy and other costs used to produce the crop were not taken into account when other researchers supported