The Jewish "look" 2: Princess Berenice and the historian Josephus Flavius

[zionmalka]

The ancient Hebrews (as the Mizrahi Jews of today) were not pale whites or blondes but neither were they black skinned.

[tillallareoneluv]

OK I have a painting of 'Jesus' with blue eyes and blonde hair. Issue settled. How silly. 1. Miriam was upset that the wife was not a HEBREW. The Ethiopians were darker, but the ISSUE was being a non-Hebrew. 2. Ethiopians WERE Darker. "Blacks' come in many shades. 3. You defeat you own argument. White people don't get "black' in the sun. People with fair skin become red or at most tan. 4. Again 'Black' people become 'black' in the hot sun. 5. Nothing to do with skin color.

[zionmalka]

@tillallareoneluv The statue of Berenice and the portrait bust of Josephus were made by people who actually saw them in person.

1. the Hebrew Bible is CLEAR that Miriam was upset that the wife of Moses was Cushite.

It is clear that the ISSUE

[zionmalka]

@tillallareoneluv It is clear by the Hebrew Text that the ISSUE was of her being Cushite, in speicifc and not only a Gentile (Non-Hebrew).

[tillallareoneluv]

@zionmalka Maybe that is clear to YOU but not to everyone else. 

[zionmalka]

@tillallareoneluv It is Clear to Every Hebrew speaker.

For your info, Hebrew is the Original language of the Hebrew Bible and only in Hebrew it can be fully understood.

Leave the KJV, learn Hebrew.

[tillallareoneluv]

@zionmalka Just like its CLEAR that biblical scholars who do speak and read hebrew don't even agree what is meant by "Cush".

[zionmalka]

@tillallareoneluv 23 Can a Cushi change his skin, or a leopard his spots? Then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil.

24 Therefore will I scatter them, as the stubble that passeth away by the wind of the wilderness. 25 This is thy lot, the portion measured unto thee from Me, saith YHWH; because thou hast forgotten Me, and trusted in falsehood.

The term Cushi is not only referring to a member of the kingdom of Cush but also to a people with much darker skin.

[tillallareoneluv]

@zionmalka So you conclude.  That quote does not mention darker skin.

[zionmalka]

@tillallareoneluv In Jeremiah 13:23 the dark skin of the Cushi symbolizes evil.

[tillallareoneluv]

@zionmalka Nonsense. It speaks to the impossibility of evil thinking people being able to change to right thinking people. Just as people can't change their skin color and leopards can't change their spots evil people can't change their evil thinking.  The permanency of skin color and of spots is something tangible humans can understand to reinforce the point. Only twisted, sick minds try to construe things to fit into their twisted narrative. Fail.

[zionmalka]

@tillallareoneluv Sir, the parallel is between doing evil and dark skin.

Can a Cushi change his skin- change his skin

do good-change his skin

Then may ye also do good- do good

Changing the skin of a Cushi=doing good

The dark skin of the Cushi=evil

If you were right then why the Prophet Jeremiah have chosen to give the Cushi (one with dark skin) as an example?

The dark skin is paralleled with evil and changing it is paralleled with doing good.

[zionmalka]

@tillallareoneluv The People of Cush were indeed MUCH darker than the Hebrews.

Keep in mind that the Ethiopians of today are bit lighter than the West Africans and the Sub Saharian blacks.

[tillallareoneluv]

@zionmalka Eithiopians today range from 'a bit lighter' to 'much lighter' than West Africans and Sub Saharian Blacks then just as they do today.

[zionmalka]

@tillallareoneluv The Hebrew text of the Bible says:

Look not upon me, that I am swarthy, that the sun hath TANNED me;

The speaker is daying that she had turned black FOR "THE SUN HATH TANNED ME".

[tillallareoneluv]

@zionmalka Again, turning 'black' is indeed something that 'black people', who are various shades, do.

[zionmalka]

@tillallareoneluv When a Semitic person gets tanned his/her's skin gets darker.

A black person does not become black due to tanning!

Haven't you seen Israelis or other middle eastern peoples??

[tillallareoneluv]

@zionmalka Indeed 'black people' do become black from tanninng or sun exposure. There is great variation in skin tone among 'black people'. Always has been.

[zionmalka]

@tillallareoneluv Sir, have you read the text in the Song of Songs?

The speaker (who is a female) explains HOW she became black:

[zionmalka]

@tillallareoneluv Look not upon me, that I am swarthy, that the sun hath **TANNED** me;

Furthermore, the Daughters of Jerusalem looked upon her in a negative way DUE to her tan.

[zionmalka]

@tillallareoneluv 4. it is also important to note that according to the Song of Songs the Daughters of Jerusalem looked upon her in a negative way DUE to her tanning.

In ancient Israel dark skin was considered as a sign of lower status.

5. I agree that it has Nothing to do with skin color but several black racist clowns have somehow used this verse to "prove" their lies.

[zionmalka]

The writters of the Mishna and the two Talmuds (Babylonian and Israelite) were PURE Israelites and not Converts.

[zionmalka]

Just to put you in perspective, in the Babylonian exile the Jews were exiled to Bayblon (in modern day Iraq). Many did come back to the Land of Israel but others did not.

Only following the Destruction of the Second Temple (70 CE) and the failure of the Bar-Kochba revolt (135 CE) the Jewish diaspora in Babylon grew.

The Babylonian Talmud had been written by the Israelites who sat and cried when they remembered Zion.

The Mishna had been sealed in 200 CE in the Land of Israel.

[swiv2d]

So is it true that the original jews were black and these italians adapted the religion

[zionmalka]

@swiv2d The original Jews (like most of today's Jews) were Semites.

The Semites are NOT black.

BTW, it is clear from the Hebrew Bible that the Israelites/Jews were NOT black.

Please read the descriptionof this video.

[Akrimoney]

@swiv2d Hey, this guy doesn`t know shit at all...lol If you want to see what the original Jews looked like I will send you some video titles for you to watch. This guy doesn`t know jack. I can disproved everything in his description...lol

[swiv2d]

@Akrimoney ok that'll be cool thanks

[zionmalka]

@swiv2d If you Really interested in how the Jews of ancient times must have looked like please search for the Samaritans- the closest ethnic group to the ancient tribes.

Only 740 of them are left now, the remnant of once a great people.

They have never married with Gentiles and they have never left the Land of Israel.

[chica476]

The statues are of Romanesque interpretation, and are, therefore, invalid.

[zionmalka]

@chica476 You are completely mistaken.

These two portrait busts are dated to the first century CE.

[Akrimoney]

@chica476 This dude knows nothing at all about the true Hebrews of the Book. This video is a joke...lol

[Shortyjored88]

At this point, the Torah/Bible is the main book that is used to validate the existence of Jews in Israel. Without this book, there is no strong evidence to support this fact. Now even this books states that the Jews were intermingle with black Hamites. God clearly considers Hamites to be black African going by the table of nations and whom fathered whom. Any other opinions from outside sources will on be extra sources and nothing else. At the end of the day God clearly stated the truth.

[Akrimoney]

@Shortyjored88 There is plenty of other images of Hebrews in captivity by the ancient Assyrians and the Babylonians...lol And the images they carved of them clearly show black men with dread locks. Not only that, there are too many African tribes who say they came from Israel and their ancestors came into Africa escaping persecution from the Romans. And some of the tribes came because of the Assyrian invasion of Israel.

[Shortyjored88]

@Akrimoney Of course I am aware of these images, but what I'm saying is that you only need to look at the primary sources that deals with Israel's history to know that they have black blood. If anything the only way of Israel or Jews to prove their validity is through the Torah and Bible. This is what is use to show that Israel was giving Canaan as their promise land. Yes other sources are good to show proof, but an intelligent will read the Torah and know Shemites/Hamites mixed to form Israel.

[billyslicky]

But wasn't Herod a convert to Judaism?

[zionmalka]

To all the debaters:

Berenice was of mixed origin. From one side she was Hasmonean (Jewish Royal family of Cohanim) and from the other side she was Edomite and Herodian.

Josephus was PURELY Jewish/Israelite from a family of Cohanim.

[Akrimoney]

@zionmalka Let me tell you something dude. I don`t know if you are really thinking this is true and just don`t know any better. Or, you are so much of a white supremacist you make videos like this to try and deceive others. It really doesn`t matter to me. But if you`re gonna show images then show the images that the ancient Assyrians and the Babylonians made of the Black Hebrews they took into captivity. And that was much older than when the Romans conquered Israel...lol

[baraxor]

Berenice is probably one of the ancestors of Charlemagne, which makes her one of the ancestors of the majority of modern Europeans.

[TruthisFreedom722]

This proves nothing, jewish is not a race but Judaism is a religion. The tribe of Judah were black african Hebrews but the "converts" to Judaism come in many nationalities.

[chica476]

@TruthisFreedom722

I see you like to twist information around... where did you get that information? That Nation of Islam? Good Ol' Brother Farrakhan, perhaps?

[TruthisFreedom722]

@chica476 No, I do not follow the NOI. The originals were African regardless if you accept it or not. We all have been lied to about many things. Free your mind and seek truth. Judaism is a religious belief system that has its roots in Africa along with Islam, Christianity, Hinduism etc. Again seek truth and free your mind. Peace to you.

[chica476]

@TruthisFreedom722

And where did you find this truth?

[TruthisFreedom722]

@chica476 Start with Gerald Massey and work your way from there. The truth is hard to swallow when you been fed lies for so long. Read and educate yourself in truth, again free your mind.

[chica476]

@TruthisFreedom722

why not just send me a list of the sources, e it books, tapes, etc to me?

[TruthisFreedom722]

@chica476 I gave you an author to start with and you need to do the rest on your own. No one gave me a list of books I just started with Gerald Massey because I wanted to know the origins of belief systems. I suggest you do the same and work your way from there but its your choice.

[chica476]

@TruthisFreedom722

so, instead of actually giving me more than one credible source, you're deciding to ignore such protocols? You act more like a sophist.

[TruthisFreedom722]

@chica476 I gave you a suggested starting author with Gerald Massey. Read Arthur Koestler also it may give you further insight. Both books are online in PDF format. I also suggest reading some of Cheik Anta Diop's work. Don't be so quick to judge and place labels its not cool or cute.

[konfoshios]

They got the nose down alright

[BRITAINSSAVIOR]

arab nose

[wonnthree]

this is euro crap....Jewish?...give me a break! and u can prove this crap in all but 29 SEC? LOL

[Kcorbanite]

this reminds me of the white wash renaisance period where europeans successfully hijacked anything non european and made it european. There are far too many ancient drawings scratchings artefacts etc etc accompanied by Historians of this era to keep taking these braizen lies as serious.

[candlemovies]

if you mix the face of my step mother & step siste, this is what it will look; beautiful really. I love curley hair and I got curley hair and jewish blood also but all first chirstians were jews and people forget that.

[BOGZASV8MA]

the 1st bust is definitely not jewish...

[mrtundra45]

Fail...wheres the Hook Nose? and Rat Face?

lol

shes probably a Woman from Rome.

[MrRobyopunkass]

edomite romans FAIL

LOL

[SuperBoomboon]

awsome. this sets a proof and exposes all those who now pretend that they r the "real Jews"

when the Jews were in deep troubles, persecuted and murdered, only the real Jews were Jews. and now everybody seems to claim they r the real ones xD !

[myattraction]

@SuperBoomboon What are you saying, I know for a fact that the Herod line of Kings were all Idumean, from the doomed Kingdom of Edom. Stop the madness! Read about their outcome in Obadiah. Edom from the son named Esau is not the chosen line, Jacob was and is the Chosen. This deception leads into HELL.

[SuperBoomboon]

@myattraction what u say has nothing to do with what i said. only Hebrew r Jews. the Jews of alwayz. not the black, europeans, americans...etc etc who claim being the real 1s. if those r the real 1s how come have they forgotten absolutelly their culture, Elohim and Commandments? how come have to have been the Jews of alwayz who kept the Mesage, Knowledge of YHWH and His Laws? if those who claim it r lost descendants, they would join and respect their Brothers not trying to steal their identity

[myattraction]

@SuperBoomboon Ok, but I was trying to make clear that Esau's line was never chosen by God and therefore were never called Israel. That means they cannot be of the Tribe of Judah or any other Tribe. They are only proselytic followers of the religion, but are not Jews in the flesh. Herod descended from Esau, not Jacob. It's a relief for me to know that Herod was not a member of Jesus' Tribe since he was heavily involved in his death.

[MrRobyopunkass]

@SuperBoomboon what kinda bullshyt question is that

1. blacks had their language and culture stolen when they got 2 americas

2. they kept a few things of the past in secret like that old negro spiritual song kum-ba-yah(come by yah)

3. AA come 4rm Gad the son of Jacob threw many west afrikan tribes such as the ibo and asante among others

igbo was originally pronounced heboos

they still have their jewish culture but it suffered 4rm forced islam

so suck on that

[zionmalka]

@MrRobyopunkass Enough with this bullcrap. These lies have become absurd.

The sub-saharan black culture has Nothing to do with the levant.

Before you arrived to the americas your culture was of voodoo and spirits.

[zionmalka]

@MrRobyopunkass It is obvious that you are not so proud of your Sub-saharan native culture, I can understand that.

I'm Mizrahi Jewess. My grandparents are Babylonian Jews, PURE Israelites.

Learn history.

[zionmalka]

@MrRobyopunkass The ONLY black Jews are the Jews of Ethiopia and they have become Jewish due to conversion. DNA genetic studies can now rebuke much of these afrocentric lies.

The native peoples of North africa were not black either. Most of them were Berbers.

[zionmalka]

@MrRobyopunkass tell me, sub saharan negro, are you so ashamed of your native primitive culture?

I can see why, but you are messing with the wrong people. The history of the Jews is Very well documented.

[tonysnow03]

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[zionmalka]

@MrRobyopunkass BTW, the Song of Songs 1:5 only proves that the Israelites did not consider black as beautiful.

I am black, but comely, O ye daughters of Jerusalem, as the tents of Kedar, as the curtains of Solomon.

Look not upon me, because I am black, because the sun hath looked upon me: my mother's children were angry with me; they made me the keeper of the vineyards; but mine own vineyard have I not kept.

The Jerusalemites have looked upon her in disrespect DUE to her tanned skin

[tonysnow03]

@zionmalka I challenge you to put next to this,wannabe the true hebrews.off of the walls of sennacrib the assyrian.who took israel captive.put of the relief of the hebrews being taken captive by the babylonians.laughing at you,see the beautiful nappy hair,cornrowed hair,thick lis and wide noses.your evil is to a end,the light of truth is shining thru.dunb,dumb lol you a joke hahahahahaha yea you can stay jewish,because of the distortation of the pharasees,and that evil talmud.Yall can keep that

[candlemovies]

@tonysnow03 the smaller the nose, the smaller the IQ. the more none bumpy the nose, the more closer you are to the monkeys. waivey haired people are more superior than anybody on earth. sad that people like bill gates have to lie and hide their true heritage which is jewish.

[pricevashon]

@MrRobyopunkass you are the synoguge of satan you so called european jews how were converted.we are the true black hebrew israelites the seed of jacob.yes we are yahweh childern.satan has decieved the whole world and the world decievers are you white people with your lies and slavery.

[MrRobyopunkass]

@SuperBoomboon LOL those r not hebrews

edomites have always mixed with whites

also they were @ 1 point concurred and forced 2 the hebrew ways

thos stats look just like romans not at all semi-tic(half)

fail

[SuperBoomboon]

@MrRobyopunkass HA HA so u refuse the archaeological and scientists proofs? lol that isn´t any rational

u defend what u would want to not what is real.

idk what must be your problem but those object r from the first century and even from before the CE. there was no1 like today saying that they r the "real ones" only pictures of the Jews living normally there.

if u r the real ones where r your history, your legacy your archeological proves. u forgot all for 2000 years? LOL

[dgross563]

I have read some of Atiquities- I found it to be very enlightening and interesting, I'm going to get back into that. Thanks, it was good to see what he looked liked.

[zionmalka]

Against Apion is a book written almost 2,000 years ago that exactly answers haters like yourself.

and Yes, even in the first century CE many false stories were told about the Jews, their religion and origin.

[IWannabeJew]

@zionmalka Yep, Tacitus is a great source for the prevalent anti-Jewish sentiment of the Romans.

Nero's conversion to Judaism (personally confirmed by my studies of Flavius Josephus) is undoubtedly the reason for so much of his negative history.

[american1476]

lmao you people and the word "anti semitic" give it a rest already...people have a right to criticize jews just as much as jews do to criticize othrs which they dont shut the hell up till they get their way which I respect maybe

I should start syaning thats anti anglo it causes the displacement of anglos anglos are under a genocide and forced displacement through gang violence of historical neighborhoods due to block busting jews!

[neukoelnistgeil]

Very good video and description text to it.

Thank you very much!