What I think about abortion

[Leirnessthy]

@CrystalStarrBell and youre an ignorant whore? you ever seen reality? it looks like reality meaning ITS REALITY

[HowardSternn]

Abortion saves lives

Howard Stern

[Leirnessthy]

its not a human being. wow get it right.

[theportalmaster]

abortion is a good choice under cercumstances such as rape or a mother with a bad heart who might die during birthing . my sister in law has a heart problem but they planned for the baby, lucklily she had a healthy baby, but ppl who were raped have a good reason for abortion.

[freespeachrulez]

Life went on for thousands of years without abortion, I guess they were depraved of their womans rights to kill their child to save themselves huh? Take a wrong action like rape and KILL the result as if somehow that solves things? She is still raped. Nothing can undo that. In fact there is a study that women who are raped feel regret years later. But the pro choice people, and the abortion factories do not want you to know that. It's bad for business.

[theportalmaster]

well, i dont care, we will always have abortion practices in our country, and im happy. besides , the world is over populated as it is.

[freespeachrulez]

Your just selfish, when I hear someone say that the world is overpopulated as it is. I yell..Hypocrite fool with life. If you feel that way then volunteer to leave it sooner than later. But I am no fool and know that everyone on the face of the planet could all live in texas with a 10 ft radius between each other. Darwin was a idiot who was a racist, and was the mentor of the likes of Hitler.

[theportalmaster]

cool:)

[Novjunulo]

I am a pro-life Democrat.

[Reaganwannabe]

Amen friend! great work!

[sugarrush82294]

though I am Christian, my pro-life beliefs and my religious beliefs do not intersect. My pro-life beliefs are solely based on that abortion is killing an unborn child. However, under circumstances such as rape, incest, or the possibility of the mother dying in childbirth, abortion is unfortunately the fair and just thing to allow.

[Apmhflick]

There is only one instance in which the fetus fatally threatens the mother's health and that is a tubal pregnancy. Why should rape make a difference if you admit that abortion is the killing of an unborn child?

[theportalmaster]

it is not wrong to kill a baby who is the result of rape. it is not the mothers fault and she shouldnt have to be put through that. even in religion, we allow abortion under certain cercumstances.

[Apmhflick]

I'm not talking about religion, so let's leave that out of it. The fact that the mother was raped doesn't change the fact that abortion is murder, the taking of a human life. If my father hit me and I hit my mother, would my action be justified? No. Likewise, the fetus is not responsible for the rape. So taking it's life is simply perpetuating the terrible violent act of rape (the taking of something by malicious force) on the baby (by taking its life by force). How is that any better? It's not.

[theportalmaster]

actually there are many medical reaSobns not just tubal pregnancy, such as heart problems. besides who ever said killing somone was wrong? we kill animals everyday, we kill plants and trees which animals couldnt live without. humans deserve to die more than animals do. were destroying the planet as it is.

[Apmhflick]

Yes, that's true. I wrote that awhile ago and have since looked deeper into the medical issues. But unless the mother's life is threatened, killing the fetus is not justified. You actually wrote: "Humans deserve to die more than animals do." Think about that for a second. Killing as an abstract has the potential to be right or wrong depending on the circumstances, but the taking of an innocent life is never justified. Tell me how it could be.

[theportalmaster]

if its gods will, so it shall be. god takes the lives of the innocent every day. and also, its ok as long as you eat them, just like animals.

[Apmhflick]

If that's your attempt at humor, don't go down to a comedy club any time soon. And again, I'm not talking about God. Leave him out of it. Let's talk science and philosophy. And answer my question: When is the taking of an innocent life justified in your opinion?

[theportalmaster]

its justiufied when the mother has heart problems or theres a chance she might die attemting to give birth. or if there are other medical problems. then it becomes a save one or let both die matter.

[Apmhflick]

I agree. If the mother's life is certainly without a doubt at risk, then it is ok to abort because otherwise two would die instead of (unfortunately) one. Does this mean that you now agree with me that abortion is NOT justified after a rape?

[theportalmaster]

well, it depends on the age of the girl and how truamatized she is. it all depends, i certaintly wouldnt make a raped 12 yr old girl go through pregnancy and be a mom, i would instead have her destroy the embryo before its ever alive, so that way its not murder.

[freespeachrulez]

In situations like that, there is the morning after pill. Before it has a chance to attach and start growing into a fetus.

[Apmhflick]

Ah, so you're assuming the fetus is not a living thing? That would be medically incorrect. Let's look at what the experts say... Prof Micheline Matthews-Roth of Harvard Univ: "It is incorrect to say that biological data cannot be decisive...It is scientifically correct to say that an individual human life begins at conception." Dr. Jerome LeJeune of the Univ of Decartes...End pt.1

[Apmhflick]

Pt2- "After fertilization has taken place a new human being has come into being. [It] is no longer a matter of taste or opinion...it is plain experimental evidence. Each individual has a very neat beginning, at conception." There are plenty of other medical doctors and geneticists I could quote. The fact is that human life begins at conception. To say otherwise is like saying that all trees are purple--it is simply incorrect. I await your response.

[theportalmaster]

i never siad the fetus, i said the embryo

[Apmhflick]

The difference being?...Life still begins at conception.

[theportalmaster]

it is not yet alive, it does not have a heart and it cant feel, nor does it have a soul. the embryo should be destroyed if one is seeking an abortion. that way your never murdering anything.

[Apmhflick]

An embryo has self-sustaining biological processes and so it is alive by scientific standards. Embryos have a heartbeat at the end of the first month and so you are wrong about your second point as well. How can you know if it has a soul? That's not a physical attribute. So what if embryos can't feel pain? Can you feel pain when you're under the influence of anaesthesia during surgery? Does that mean that just cause you can't feel pain the surgeon can kill you and it's OK?

[theportalmaster]

then destroy it before the first month, simple. and a soul is consciousness and ur NOT conscious durin the embryo stage, and besides, im pro choice, ur pro life. deal with the fact that i beleive a certain way. ur not gonna convince me, just as i cant convince u. period.

[Apmhflick]

How do you know the embryo is not conscious? And even if it isn't, let's revisit the anaesthetised patient during surgery or even the sleeping adult. These people are not conscious and yet we would consider it wrong to kill them. But OK, if I'm not going to change your mind we can let the matter drop. I'm just glad your mother decided to go through with her pregnancy or else we wouldn't have been able to have this great conversation.

[lilsmeath46]

but if they are still a life created by God then how can you say it's okay? yes it would be VERY difficult if you were raped or what not but God still has a plan for that child. And if the mother wanted nothing to do with the child didn't you hear that there is a 4 year waiting list of parnets that want to adopt. Do you thing God would ever choose abortion? just something to think about for all christians.

[leiapeison]

rape victims have had the control of their bodies ripped from them. to deny her control over her body again by forcing her to remain pregnant after such a violation is enacting a second rape upon her. rape victims are not obligated to carry a fetus to term that they were violently impregnanted with. they are not incubators. they are people with rights to autonomy and no one, NO ONE has the right to force childbirth upon a victimized woman.

[theportalmaster]

for people who are unable to give birth due to heart problems or are too young and the child may be born dead then there is good reason to have an abortion, im pro choice too. and no matter what there will always be abortion, and if it is a mistake, then oh well. god even said, were only human and we will make mistakes. we just need to ask for forgivness.

[courtney267036]

! agree with you 100%

god looks bad on people

[leiapeison]

i respect your beliefs. the vast majority of pro choice people hate abortion as much as you do. they just don't think outlawing it is the right approach to solving it. they feel it will cause more problems and more deaths from back alley abortions. i myself think we need to stop arguing about these abortions and start trying to prevent these pregnancies in the first place. you seem like a nice girl also. take care

[freespeachrulez]

God bless you. I thank God that you are alive, with you passion I hope you can do even more to stop abortion. I believe abortion is satans #1 project..

[theportalmaster]

i think abortion is the right choice under certain cercumstances. it may be killing but oh well. humans make mistakes. im pro choice btw

[freespeachrulez]

Ted Bundy probably thought that way too sometimes. And who defines what the right circumstances are? We are seeing the result of what society deems moral law. Things accepted today that would of been unthinkable only 50 years ago. Taking a step back in humanity and humility and becoming more like the savage animals our science teachers brainwash us on evolution I can see why. But even savage animals are smart enough not to kill their young. So why aren't we.. Why not you?

[theportalmaster]

actually your wrong. animals kill and eat there babies quite a bit. and if my wife ever wants an abortion, then she will get one. maybe i should be an abortionist. i can take the sight of blood. ive always wanted a medical career.

[freespeachrulez]

At first I thought you were a serious person, now your just being vulgar. Men with honor are supposed to be the protectors of the children. You have no honor as a man by your own admission. Leading your offspring off to the slaughter. If you even remotely believe in a God or heaven then I would ask yourself who you are kidding, yourself or God.

[theportalmaster]

ok for 1, im 15, second, i am very religious, but now that ive put some thoughts into it, murder is a natural part of nature, and no matter what, it will always happen. so oh well:)

[freespeachrulez]

Ok, there is a very big difference between being religious which is man made and being holy which comes from God, and God said.. "Tho shall not kill" so who is right? You or God. Murdering another human being may be part of life, but it never makes it right. You even recognize that it is murder by your own admission and then play it off.. You are young so you have allot to learn about the value of human life and morality, humility, and your purpose in life.